WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[wilwarin538]

WW LXI: Grimm Tales

Once upon a time in a glorious land far, far away there was a village. It was surrounded by glorious mountains, and valleys, and rivers, and forests, and of course numerous castles with motes and dungeons and other such lovely things. It was a peaceful land where everyone usually lived happily long lives. Except that there was an evil Queen. She had married the King long ago after his first wife had died, and now the King himself had just passed in a mysterious hunting accident. There was only one thing standing in her way. The King had a son, Prince Philip, who would become King and take the throne if he found himself a worthy young Lady to marry. If he didn’t marry by his 21st birthday the evil Queen would ascend to the throne and all the land would be doomed to be her slaves.

But there was hope. There was a young Lady named Rosamond who resided in a small castle on a large hill in the middle of our little village. She was destined to be the one true love of Prince Philip, all he would have to do would be to travel to the little village and take her as his bride.

Of course it’s never that easy. The evil Queen disguised herself as an ugly black cat and snuck into Rosamond’s castle. She crept up into one of the highest towers and put a spell on a spinning wheel that, with only a prick of the finger, would cause the young Lady to fall into a deep sleep and never wake up. The evil Queen did not know however that Rosamond had a Fairy Godmother who saw the Queen enter the room. The Fairy Godmother was not able to destroy the spell but she did change it so that Rosamond would awake if she was kissed by her one true love.

3 days later one of Rosamond’s servants (and closest friend), Wilwarin, found her lying on the floor deeply asleep beside the spinning wheel. The Fairy Godmother appeared beside her and instructed her to write a letter to the village. In the evening Wilwarin walked sadly down to the small village in hopes of warning them of the great danger that they faced.

NO POSTING ON THIS THREAD PLEASE. Everyone should receive their roles within the next 11 hours or so. Night 1 will start then. Keep an eye out.

[wilwarin538]

Rules:

•No double lynchings, in the case of a tie the person who last received that # of votes will be lynched
•Every player gets 1 retractable vote every Day
•Under no circumstances can you show any proof of your role or any PMs you’ve shared with me or players you’re permitted to talk to. As well, try to avoid speaking to other living players outside of the game thread (so PM, IM, MSN, Facebook, ect…), it’s very easy to slip up and reveal info that you shouldn’t reveal, and it also gives you an unfair advantage over other players.
•To dead people: you are dead, no talking on the game thread or admin thread. As well, do not reveal any information you may know to living players.
•Everyone be invisible please
•Votes are bolded, on a separate line, with ++ in front, to retract do the same, but with – … self votes will be allowed, but please don’t do this too much
•Mod-fire most definitely exists, if you don’t participate/vote for 2 Days straight, you die...you can explain any absences in the admin thread
•Please only edit posts for spelling/grammar, feel free to double/triple/quadruple/x’uple post
•All votes should be on time, either before or on the hour (9 am EST). One minute late is still late, so it doesn’t count
•Know your roles well, feel free to PM me if you need any clarification on how your role works. There are quite a few rules regarding all the roles, so if you have any confusion about anything please PM me before it could negatively affect the game.

Roles:

Goodies - gifted:

Wielder of the looking-glass: (seer) every Night this player goes home and looks into his looking-glass and asks something along the lines of “Looking-glass upon the wall, is Wilwa good or not at all?” If he discovers the identity of any of my made up roles, he is only told their role, not whether they have been successful in their tasks or not (however if he sees Prince instead of Frog he knows that the Princess and Prince are now Lovers. Little Red Cap will appear as an ordinary villager. If he discovers the Fairy Godmother or the Huntsman he may PM them during the Day, if he guesses them both all 3 may PM among themselves.

Fairy Godmother: (ranger) every Night this player chooses one player that she will protect with her magic from the baddies. She cannot protect the same person two Nights in a row. She can protect herself once.

The Huntsman: (hunter) this player chooses one other player that he will take down with him (using his giant axe of course) right before he is killed, whether they are innocent or not, and whether it’s at Night or during the Day. He can give me a new name every Day and every Night, but he can keep the same target for one consecutive Night/Day (or Day/Night), but once that new Night (or Day) starts he has to give me a new name.

Hansel: He may be a small child but he's more powerful then he looks! Every Day, at any time, he sends me the name of a player. This player’s vote will not count. He cannot choose the same player two Days in a row. If he chooses the player who has the role of the Old Witch his vote will not count and her’s still will. He will not be informed if this happens.

Gretel: She may be a small child but she's more powerful then she looks! Every Day, at any time, she sends me the name of a player. This player will be given double voting; therefore their vote will be worth that of 2 votes. She cannot choose the same player two Days in a row. She can choose herself once. If she chooses the player who has the role of the Old Witch her vote will not count. She will not be informed if this happens.

Other roles (all goodies, almost):

Little Red Cap: (kinda like a cursed, but not) A naïve little child easily fooled by the Big Bad Wolf. Every Night the Big Bad Wolf sends me a name along with the baddies kill choice, if he guesses Little Red Cap then he has managed to persuade her that he is indeed her Granny, she becomes a baddie. Little Red is not aware of her identity until it is too late, if she dies before she is turned I will not reveal her identity, I won’t even tell Mr. BBW, mwahaha. Her identity will, however, be revealed when she dies if she had been turned (therefore if someone is lynched and you see “Little Red Cap” beside their name, then you know she had been turned and you can be happy that you killed a baddie). If BBW dies before she’s turned she becomes like any ol’ villager.

Fair Maiden: A kind young girl who has had her child stolen by the evil Rumpelstiltskin. She has 3 days to guess his name in hopes of retrieving her son. She provides me with 5 names, could be all at once, could be spread out, she cannot change them once she’s chosen them, and she has to get them to me by the end of Day 3. If one of these 5 names belongs to Rumpelstiltskin then he dies. After this happens the Maiden is just like any ol’ villager. Nothing bad happens when she dies, but her role is revealed. If she guesses the Fairy Godmother she is given an extra guess.

Princess: A beautiful young girl searching for true love. Every Day and Night she sends me a name, if this name belongs to the Frog then he turns into a Prince, these two then become Lovers and can PM during the Day. They want their happily ever after more than they want the village to win; therefore they cannot reveal themselves neither before nor after they become Lovers. If one dies (either by lynching or by baddies) the other dies as well, but only after the Frog becomes the Prince, before this happens one can die alone. If the Frog dies before she guesses his name she becomes just like any ol’ villager. Her role is revealed when she dies.

Frog-Prince: A Prince trapped in a frog’s body, waiting for his true love’s kiss. A normal player, until his Princess guesses his name; then he is transformed into a Prince, and they become Lovers and can PM during the Day. He does not know who the Princess is, but is told her guesses. He can however send me one guess, at anytime, as to whom she is, and he will only be told whether he is right or wrong, if he’s right then he now knows her identity but still has to wait for her to find him. They want their happily ever after more than they want the village to win; therefore they cannot reveal themselves neither before nor after they become Lovers. After they become Lovers if one dies the other dies too. If the Princess dies before he is transformed he becomes just like any ol’ villager. His role is revealed when he dies, no matter what.

Prince Charming: A gorgeous, but seemingly unintelligent young chap looking for the foot that fits his glass slipper. Every Day and Night he sends me a name, if it belongs to Cinderella; they become Lovers and can PM during the Day. They want their happily ever after more than they want the village to win; therefore they cannot reveal themselves neither before nor after they become Lovers. If one dies (either at Night or during the Day), the other does as well, but only after they’ve become Lovers. If Cinderella dies before he can find her he becomes like any ol’ villager. If he guesses the Old Witch’s name he dies. His role is revealed when he dies.

Cinderella: A young orphan girl with some ugly relatives, who had a wonderful night with her Prince Charming and is desperately hoping he’s able to find her. A normal player until Prince Charming guesses her identity, and then they become Lovers and can PM during the Day. She knows who Prince Charming is. They want their happily ever after more than they want the village to win; therefore they cannot reveal themselves neither before nor after they become Lovers. If one dies (either at Night or during the Day), the other does as well, but only after they’ve become Lovers. If Prince Charming dies before he finds her she becomes like any ol’ villager. Her role is revealed when she dies.

Baddies (basically the werewolves):

Big Bad Wolf: A strange creature who likes to eat children and dress up as little old ladies. Every Night he sends me a name along with the baddies kill choice (he can discuss his choice with his fellow baddies if he so desires), if he guesses Little Red Cap then he has managed to persuade her that he is indeed her Granny, she becomes a baddie (he will not be informed if she dies before he has guessed her). If she is turned you will not be informed directly, the narration may possibly hint towards it though. If BBW is killed then she is no longer in danger of being turned.

Old Witch: No good Princess story is complete without a crazy envious evil Witch. Basically just a normal baddie, but if Prince Charming gives me her name he dies, mwahaha.

Rumpelstiltskin: An odd little dwarf who has a funny name and a strange fascination with infants. As well a normal baddie, but he needs to watch out for the Fair Maiden, if she guesses his name he dies.

Ugly Stepsister: A very unattractive (on the inside) young lady following in her evil Queen mother’s evil footsteps. Basically a normal baddie.

Robber Bridegroom: He is like a cobbler; he wants the baddies to win. As well, every Day he sends me a name, if it belongs to the Fair Maiden, Cinderella or the Princess, she will die. If Cinderella or the Princess have already been united with their loves they will not be able to be killed. The Fair Maiden can still be killed even after she’s given all of her guesses.

+ 4 Ordinary Villagers

Please try to avoid consentrating on genders. Of course some roles match the gender of the player, but some don't. :)

Players:

Nerwen - bookmaker
Eomer - gravedigger
Lommy - minstrel
Aganzir - jailor, arena and lions included
Sally - some poor serving girl who has no money to buy sweets
McCaber - humble shopkeeper
Izzy - baker
Mira - apothocary
Gaurcrist - blacksmith
Shasta - fletcher
Gwath - drunk vagrant
Boro88 - the shruberrer
Kath - restaurant owner
Inziladun - shruberrer's apprentice
Fea - Storyteller
Nienna - bookkeeper
Greenie - school teacher
Lari - fortune teller
Mith - herbalist
the phantom - the crazy book liberator

PLEASE DO NOT POST ON THIS THREAD.

[wilwarin538]

On this same dark evening 4 villains met in the small house of the Old Witch, on the outskirts of the village. She was arranging four bottles on the small table when the other three entered. The Big Bad Wolf entered first, barely able to fit through the small door. Rumpelstiltskin walked in next, only a few feet tall but horrifying non-the-less. Lastly there was the Ugly Stepsister, she was fair in appearance but anyone who saw her could see that her heart was black and cruel. The small group gathered in the center of the room around the little wooden table, all of them eyeing the potions they had been expecting to see there.

“How are we to know that you aren’t trying to poison us, hag?” the Big Bad Wolf asked sceptically, leaning in closer to the small woman and letting out a small growl.

“Because she wants the Queen’s reward just as much as we do, Dog. She can’t do it alone.” Rumpelstiltskin said quickly, pointing a finger at the Wolf. Despite the large size difference, he was not afraid of him.

“Let her explain. We’re running out of time. You all know quite well that my mother will be strongly displeased if we fail.” The Ugly Stepsister added sharply with a snarl. After a nervous gulp from Rumpelstiltskin they all looked intently at the Old Witch.

The Old Witch held up one of the bottles, which held a strange green liquid. She stroked it lovingly and gave an almost toothless smile, peaking up at the others under her large hat. She then re-explained the plan they had already set in place. “This potion will disguise us during the Day as four villagers I removed earlier.” She gave a little cackle during the word removed. “It will give us some of their memories so the others will believe we are them. However at Night and in death we will return to our true form. Every Night we will gather here and decide on a villager to kill. During the Day we must live among them and fool them into murdering one another, in their vain attempts to stop us.”

“The Prince will not risk entering the village to save Rosamund if there is too great a risk to his life.” Rumpelstiltskin added with a small laugh.

“And his birthday is only weeks away, if he doesn’t marry in time my mother will take the thrown, and I shall be Princess, and someday Queen. And you all will receive your just rewards as well.” The stepsister smiled wickedly as she adjusted the black ribbon in her scarlet hair.

There was a moment of silence as the villains basked in their evil glee. Then the Ugly Stepsister thought of something that had not yet been discussed.

“But what of that servant girl? She knows things that could put us in danger. Should we risk letting her reach the villagers?” she asked the group, a hint of worry appearing in her voice.

“No worries, I have a plan. Leave the girl to me.” the Old Witch concluded with a snide grin as she patted the younger girl’s hand reassuringly. After one final cackle she handed them each their potion and sent them on their way to prepare for the Day ahead.

Night 1 starts now. Baddies may PM. The Wielder of the looking glass, the Big Bad Wolf, the Princess and Prince Charming may all send me names toNight. PLEASE DO NOT POST ON THIS THREAD.

[wilwarin538]

Evil was not the only thing at work this night. There was still hope nestled secretly into the village.

Not far from the center of town, in a small little house, someone was staying up extremely late. He was never one for sleeping anyway. He hummed a quiet tune to himself as he polished the beautiful looking glass that he held carefully in his arms. There was an inscription on the rim of the glass, in an ancient tongue no longer spoken, that his mother had translated and told him many times. He spoke the verse quietly to himself as he mounted the looking glass onto his wall. “Speak the proper verse to me, and I will greatly help you see. If there be someone who seems awry, I will show where their loyalties lie. One at a time and only by Night, can this gift be granted to help your fight.” With a sigh he spoke the proper words and was revealed the true form of the villager he named. Not long after he closed his lights and had a very tousled sleep, in fear of the Day to come.

Around the same time a Huntsman sat in his small home close to the town square. All around his home he had various weapons and tools, most hidden out of sight. His dearest was his axe, though it was very large he had managed to find a way to keep it hidden under his cloak. It had been passed down from his father and was his most prized possession. As he removed it from its holster and slid it under his bed he thought gravely about the Day ahead, and the dangers he could sense were coming.

Finally, late into the Night, the Fairy Godmother sat in a tree top. She never needed sleep, so she would just watch. For now she was one of the only ones who could protect this village, and her task grew heavy on her heart. She had put so much of her power into changing the curse on Rosamund that she knew she could not protect them all, barely even herself. One a Night was all she could muster; she just hoped it would be enough.

The moon shone brightly on this Night, and the stars twinkled happily, as the village slept soundly. It would be their last quite sleep for a very long time.

Still Night 1. DO NOT POST ON THIS THREAD PLEASE.

[wilwarin538]

The sun shone brightly on this beautiful morning in our little village. Everyone awoke at the rooster’s loud call, which was quickly quieted by one of Shasta’s arrows (he wasn’t a morning person). They all got ready and began gathering in the town square, getting to work on their daily tasks.

Mirandir and Mithalwen walked together towards their little shop. There hadn’t been enough room in the town square for each to have their own, so the apothecary and the herbalist had to share. It was not always a happy partnership, and they often tried to steal each other’s customers, however, they were still kind friends.

Lariren and Isabellkya were also opening their proper places on either side of the Herb/Apothecary store. Visiting travellers and tourists often enjoyed grabbing a cookie on their way to discovering their doomed future.

On the other side of the small town square sat McCaber’s quaint little shop. At this time Sally the serving girl was dubbing him a villain because he would not give her sweets. Their argument was quite disturbing to Thinlomien who always enjoyed playing outside the little grocery. Today she was heard playing a cittern, though she was gifted in playing many other instruments as well.

Fea was seated comfortably in the middle of the square on the edge of the large fountain. At this time she had stopped telling her engaging tale in order to keep the children around her calm. It was not a convenient time for Aganzir to be taking her large lions for a morning stroll. Greenie had also jogged over from the schoolhouse to help keep her students from running away in terror of the beasts.

Eomer stepped around the felines nervously as he strolled through the village square. He constantly kept a shovel over his shoulder, his motto being “always be prepared”. He whistled along with Lommy’s music and nodded kindly to the shrubber Boromir and his apprentice Inziladun. At this time they were arranging two shrubberies outside of Gaurcrist’s blacksmith shop. One was being placed slightly higher than the other to get a two-level effect with a little path running down the middle.

Kath was busy in her adorable little restaurant serving an arguing group of book-lovers some coffee. The Phantom held on tightly to his copy of How to Rid Your Village of Evil in 10 Easy Steps! as Nerwen became insulted that a book existed in this village that had not been made by her own hand, and Nienna went on about how useless the book’s subject was and how he should read one of her’s. The Phantom looked up hopefully, knowing that this was about the time that Wilwarin came and defended his book-liberating. She was the only one who understood. But she was nowhere to be seen.

“Where is Wilwa?” he asked quietly, seeming very confused. This stopped Nerwen and Nienna mid sentence.

They all suddenly realised that this was about the time of day that Wilwarin came down from the castle to purchase various food items at McCaber’s for the castle’s chef. But she had not yet arrived. They all started to gather in the very middle of the town square, even Gwathagor the drunk vagrant joined in (he had been napping this whole time). Everyone began talking at once until finally they decided to search for her. It took only a few minutes.

Wilwarin was lying in a small ally behind the bakery. From afar it looked like she could just be asleep but upon closer examination it was obvious that she was dead. Eomer brought the shovel slowly down from his shoulder; something he had not expected to do today. The villagers began stepping around Wilwarin’s body looking for clues. They found 2. The first was the apple she was holding; it was bright red and wonderful with only one bite taken out of it. In the other hand there was a letter that had obviously been written in a hurry. It read thusly:

Dear Village,

There is evil lurking among you. The dear Lady Rosamund has been put into a deep sleep, Prince Philip is the only one that can save her, but it is far too dangerous for him to enter our little village at this time. You must rid us of this evil before it is too late, for every Night one of you will be taken. There is still hope, for there are some hidden among you, including myself, that can help protect you from these monsters. You must act quickly.

Good luck,
The Fairy Godmother

The village began to panic, but only for a time, for they cared deeply for their Lady Rosamund and knew that they would all perish if they did not find the villains that hid among them.

Eomer got to work, Lommy played one of Wilwarin’s favourite melodies and Shasta shot some blue arrows into the air, a village tradition. After a quick, but lovely service the villagers began to discuss. They were all afraid, and greatly sorrowful, but they knew that there was hope and that Wilwarin’s spirit would be there to comfort them during this ordeal.

Day 1 is now. You may discuss.

At any time toDay I need names from Hansel, Gretel, the Princess, Prince Charming, the Hunstman and the Robber Bridegroom.

[Thinlómien]

Oh, poor little Wilwarin
sweet butterfly, fluttering
we will see you no more in these green lands
you were taken by the evil with shadow hands
But, lil' Wilwa, you shall never be forgotten
we shall avenge you and smite the rotten!

*puts the cistern away and apogises for the bad quality of the ex tempore rhymes* :D

Well, I'm here, and the most of this post's content will be "hey I'm here I'll be back later" - I'm glad good ol' Noggie is not playing, he'd hang me for a post like this! :D But like I said, I have limited time now (I have to be at work in an hour) but I'll be here later in the evening to play properly.

And I'm very aware that this post may start the quiet-loud debate I do not wish to start, but as an announciatory matter I will say that if I don't find anyone very suspicious, I will vote for someone who I feel is not contributing to the common cause.

That being said, I will also try to avoid refraining voting people just because I enjoy playing with them extra much or they haven't played for a long time or something like that and to be semi-objective for once.

Oh, an whoever cross-posted with me is a baddie. ;)

[Thinlómien]

No one cross-posted? Sniff, no just-past-deadline-rush! Kind of ruined my joke. :D Well, maybe we have no baddies in this village. ;) But now I'm truly off, see you soon!

PS. Btw Wilwa I had to google "cittern" because I was not sure what it was... ;)

[Boromir88]

I hate trying to come up with the 1st post, because I always wonder what to say. It is like the "subject" line for a message, what are you supposed to put? I think maybe "hello," or "thank you," but usually end up with a "..." because there is no subject. Sometimes I admit my lack of creativity and just say "I can not come up with a subject," but sometimes I get a light of creative genius like putting "Do Not Disturb," in a message that talks about privacy rights.

That is what I go through with trying to write the first post. I thought about saying "I am here and will read through the thread," but that didn't seem to fit. I thought about just saying "hello. Wilwa's dead? It can not be!" but that is not my thing. I thought maybe randomly making a list of suspicions based on a person's occupation, but I have not done that in a long long time and feel I have to uphold my high expectations.

So, I decided to write a first post that struggles how do you write a first post? In doing that maybe the rest of conversation can flow relatively easily. We shake off those first post jitters and just get conversing with one another. That way we can begin to just be comfortable talking with one another and not be thinking about "what do I say in a first post? What do I say to Boro?...he is kind of scary, I think Agan even called me nasty somewhere." I am saying don't think I am nasty, and I will try not to pay attention to the growths on some of your faces. Let us talk now, person to person.

I wonder if this is the longest 1st post ever?

Edit: crossed with Lommy...twice! ::angry face::

[Boromir88]

Thanks a lot Lommy, for stealing my thunder, I can't even get the 2nd! :rolleyes:

[Lariren Shadow]

All right I'm terribly sorry about this. See admin thread as to why this is happening now.

First and only post of the Day probably and I hope that everyone is doing well (I can see some are and some aren't).

I can see that my vote is going to be...

++the phantom

Because he's the phantom and I know won't (hopefully) get lynched on Day 1 for my little insignificant vote.

Have fun everyone!

[Nerwen]

A terrible, terrible thing...:eek: and I didn't even have time to explain to the Fair Butterfly the difference between a bookbinder and a bookmaker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bookmaker)

But we must do our best to avenge her death... and, who knows, some of you lucky people might get rich in the process.;)

The betting is now open.

Will we get a baddie on Day One?(4-1)

Who will be the first villain to die?
Big Bad Wolf(5-1)
Witch(5-1)
Rumpelstiltskin(2-1)
Ugly Stepsister(5-1)
Robber Bridegroom(3-1)

Will Lommy and Aganzir try to lynch each other?(2-1)

Place your bets now with your friendly neighbourhood bookmaker!

Remember the slogan, "It's a Safe Bet With Auntie Nerwen!"

EDIT: X'd since Lommy.

[Inziladun]

Good morning, all!
First off, I'm glad to be a part of this! I hope to last a least a few days before I'm murdered by the Agents of Evil or a fear maddened mob.
Also, I doubt I'll be able to do much in depth post analysis from 9:00 AM-6:00 PM EST, as those are work hours, and the boss would likely be appreciative if I devoted some of that time to actual work, but I'll do the best I can.
I'll try and pop back in here in a bit, and I intend to give this all my attention during the lunch break. ;)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Morning all. Must say, while it's a shame and all, this horrible murder, I can sure use the extra business. No point digging graves with nobody to fill them, eh? Hehe... am I right? Well, maybe that's inappropriate, I suppose. Hmm... yes.

Maybe we should be looking to attract immigrants, seeing how there's going to be regular and frequent deaths now. Not that we'll be too happy with immigrants, being in the Grimm Brothers tales and all, but who knows - they might approve of their being cannon-fodder...

[McCaber]

Shop's open! All prices are as marked, all sales are final.

Now that that's out of the way, it's time for the traditional first wave of suspicion:
Lommy: Overly eager to get the first post. Wolf.
Boro: Also eager to get the first post; took too much time to do so. Either confused wolf or confused innocent.
Lariren Shadow: Hurried vote on tp. Either a confident innocent or a wolf grasping for straws. Unless they're both wolves and they're throwing us off.
Nerwen: Trying to profit off the village's misfortune. It's more a cobbler-esque move than a wolf. Plus she offers terrible odds.

That's all I've got for right now. Unless ... throwing out heavy suspicions is suspicious in itself, isn't it. Shoot. Just disregard this, then?

[Kath]

So deadline is 2pm my time? Could cause some last minute voting on my part most Days as I only have about half an hour out of school before that!

Hmm now so far Lommy is clearly evil as she's pretending not to start the loud/quiet debate whilst actually trying to start it up. :p Otherwise there's not a lot to say.

[Boromir88]

In an attempt to look colorful in a strictly black and green environment, here is a list...

Nerwen - why are the robber bridegroom's and Rumplestiltskin odds better than the other baddies?
Eomer - is the big bad wolf - evidence 1.0 "cannon fodder"
Lommy - I don't like minstrels, but as long as you are not Robin's minstrels I promise I won't eat you if winter unexpectantly comes upon us
Aganzir - has known to dress up as uncivilized cavalry officers, she has to be the robber bridegroom
Sally - occupation fits Cinderella, she has to be cinderella
McCaber - I don't buy the "humble" bit, that has to be a disguise
Izzy - baking poison into our food huh old witch?
Mira - You know I have with me varoius hallucinogenics and other products that may aid your business? I even carry an elixir that is 200 times more powerful than morphine, talk about powerful!
Gaurcrist - probably innocent
Shasta - you really like bows huh? And how effective are bows against Grimm baddies?
Gwath - keep the drunk vagrant for entertainment
Kath - depends upon the rating, if it's 5-star she looks good
Inziladun - has as difficult of a name as Rumplestiltskin...hmm that is not going to work. Is there a nickname we can give you?
Fea - I love stories, which means I will love Fea telling us stories.
Nienna - hmm a keeper of books, do you happen to have the book of secrets?
Greenie - such an innocent occupation compared to the rest
Lari - Can you tell me my fate, miss? Will I find my piece?
Mith - Do you need a leech rancher my lady Mith?
the phantom - ugly stepsister anyone? That would be a cruel joke.

Hopefully I crossed with people while creating this ridiculous thing...

Edit: nope no crossing

[Inziladun]

Inziladun - has as difficult of a name as Rumplestiltskin...hmm that is not going to work. Is there a nickname we can give you?

Whatever sounds good to you, Good Sir. You are the Master Shrubberer, after all.

[Aganzir]

his motto being “always be prepared”
Ooh Eomer I knew we were destined to cooperate ever since I saw your occupation, and now this! *strokes her lions gently*

Anyway hello bunnies. Last night I had a dream I missed the whole game because I got stranded on a desert island for two months and when I was finally rescued, my main worry was that I had been modfired. It's funny how WW creeps into my dreams even before the game has started.

Nerwen is a baddie because she started her first post with the word terrible and she always does that as a wolf! ;)

Will Lommy and Aganzir try to lynch each other?(2-1)
No they don't. At least on the first few days. My guess is that they will try to keep a nice distance so no one notices they're actually fell- I mean because they don't enjoy their excessive quarrelling very much. At least Aganzir doesn't.
Tee-hee now I'll get rich! :cool:

Aganzir - has known to dress up as uncivilized cavalry officers, she has to be the robber bridegroom
Shh you're not supposed to say that aloud!

If I don't have any good suspects by the end of the day, I will vote for either Greenie, Shasta or Lari for killing me on night 1 the last time I played. I'm probably not voting for Gaurie or Inzy today because this is their first game.

Hmm as for the roles...

I don't like Hansel & Gretel because they make the game too complicated for my poor little brain. I have also always hated that fairytale.

If the Fair Maiden uses all of her five guesses on day 3, the odds that she gets it right are the best. If there are no ranger saves, modfire, lover deaths or whatever, there should be 16 people alive then which means she has almost a 1/3 chance of getting Rumplie.

Prince Charming should probably be careful when looking for his princess in case also the Old Witch tries to drop Cinderella-hints in order to get him killed.

*off to eat the lovely blueberry ice cream she just made*

[A Little Green]

*strokes her lions gently*

Anyway hello bunnies.Dunno why the combination of stroking lions and calling us bunnies makes me feel like... a bunny threatened by a lion? :p

In any case I'm here now and will probably be more or less around for some hours at least. I don't, surprisingly, have much to say right now, but if someone else is around I'd be in for a nice little (green) chat.


EDIT: Oooh how cool, this was my 444th post. I like even numbers.

[Nienna]

Nienna's Extraordinary Tales: A bookshop dedicated to satisfying the literary needs of Our Little Village

Now Open For Business!


Nienna - hmm a keeper of books, do you happen to have the book of secrets?

But of course my dear Boro... though I must warn you that I don't promise that they are the secrets you seek.

Inziladun: I vote Zil.

[the phantom]

It's easy to figure out who is bad. Who hasn't been reading lately? Only evil people don't like reading.

Gwath is always hanging about my shop, or Nienna's, curse her! You may argue that he has nothing better to do seeing as he is a drunk without a job. But he could be spending his time robbing or talking, but he chooses to read now and again. And that puts him in my good book.

Not that I have an actual "good book". They're all good. Not all books, I don't mean... I mean all my books are good. I don't keep the bad ones. You have to bury the bad ones and cover them with a layer of ashes from a good book. It's sad. Whenever I find a bad book a good one has to die in order to cancel it out. Why don't people just stop writing bad books?!

Gaurcrist reads sometimes. Likes some of my weapons books very much, and has never tried to steal them from me, unlike some of you! You think offering me filthy round pieces of metal is a fair trade? Hmph! Keep your gold. I have books on how to find gold, make gold, and shape gold. Much better.

And really, what is wrong with Lari? She votes for me to die, and her reason is- she figures I won't die! I'm not sure where to begin breaking down that bit of nonsense.

But I think the baddies will reveal themselves. The witch's cackle will give her away, the big bad wolf will have terrible dining manners, and Rumplesnit... Rumbleskil... um, Rummy no doubt disguised himself as a very tall villager since this is his one chance to feel tall. So let's eat and lynch the one who gets the messiest, then stand up from the table and lynch the tallest, and then tell a joke and lynch the cackler.

Easy, easy, easy.

[A Little Green]

Rumplesnit... Rumbleskil... um, RummyRumpelstiltskin, phantom. A boy of your age should know more about spelling. I would definitely have thought I taught you a bit better than that... *mutters something about students not being as precise as they used to be*

[wilwarin538]

I didn't even have time to explain to the Fair Butterfly the difference between a bookbinder and a bookmaker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bookmaker)


Oops.....sorry!!! :eek:

Only evil people don't like reading.

That's what she said.


hehe, had to do that atleast once....
:D:p

[Boromir88]

Whatever sounds good to you, Good Sir. You are the Master Shrubberer, after all.~Zil
I have nominated Nienna's suggestion...Zil (see the quote above) :)

And I vehemently oppose Agan's (Inzy) suggestion, because it is too similar to Izzy, and I will get confused.

But of course my dear Boro... though I must warn you that I don't promise that they are the secrets you seek.~Nienna
What secrets do you think I am after? I guess that is for our resident fortune teller to answer.

But, wasn't there some wicked witch in some long ago tale that said "my dear?" It is of course a different tale, but I would assume that the Wicked Witch of the West and the Old Witch belong to the same guild of Evil witches.

phantom, it is your first post and you are already dropping hints, all over the place, and are clearly up to something? Lucky for you that I have no power against you, and of course what you have already hinted at I have made note of and will let you be. ;)

Edit: crossed with the last two, and the phrase from the wicked witch is "my pretty," not "my dear." So disregard that last ridiculous suspicion.

[Inziladun]

Lunchtime is here and I have.......no real insights. Not knowing the personalities just yet, and with a lack of any concrete evidence, it's a bit difficult to judge the difference between possibly suspicious behaviour and what may be just people being themselves. It's so much harder when you only have pieces of the puzzle, but therein lies the challenge. That said....

Lommy told us: And I'm very aware that this post may start the quiet-loud debate I do not wish to start, but as an announciatory matter I will say that if I don't find anyone very suspicious, I will vote for someone who I feel is not contributing to the common cause.

Why immediately throw to the wolves (so to speak) anyone who may not be able post often right away? Seems rather unnecessary.

Aganzir- seems to have a reputation, doesn't like the Hansel and Gretel story. I do like "Rumplie" as a nick for the freakish dwarf-creature.

Nienna- professes to have secrets! Interesting.

the phantom- a bit unbalanced and unpredictable?

See? So many variables!

Inziladun: I vote Zil.
Whatever the consensus is. I'm flexible. ;)

[McCaber]

Well, I'm back from my morning out, and I see that not a lot has happened.

I don't keep the bad ones. You have to bury the bad ones and cover them with a layer of ashes from a good book. It's sad. Whenever I find a bad book a good one has to die in order to cancel it out. Why don't people just stop writing bad books?!
I shudder to think of the ruin Twilight has wreaked on your library. If I had any books to spare I'd sell one to you to recoup your losses.

Boro: It's ok, I think just about every witch has used a phrase like "my dear" or perhaps "poppets" to lure the children inside. I mean, not that I would know anything about any witches or anything like that, but still, I think it's a fun little point.

Zil: throwing a few words out there about certain villagers here and there works for some people. I can't fault him for that. It is how I tend to operate, after all. And he has an awesome sig, so I'll let him be for now.

[satansaloser2005]

I like "Dun" myself. But that's just me.

Proper post in just an instant. :)

[Aganzir]

Dunno why the combination of stroking lions and calling us bunnies makes me feel like... a bunny threatened by a lion?
Don't worry - my lions are very gentle animals compared to, for instance, the Bunny of Caerbannog.

And I vehemently oppose Agan's (Inzy) suggestion, because it is too similar to Izzy, and I will get confused.
What about Ladu then?

Why immediately throw to the wolves (so to speak) anyone who may not be able post often right away? Seems rather unnecessary.
Because it's easy for quiet people to go unnoticed while the loudmouths tear each other apart, and if those quiet ones are guilty... well too bad. And people often prefer to save the most substantial players till later.

I do like "Rumplie" as a nick for the freakish dwarf-creature.
Don't thank me, I think it was wilwa who coined it. ;)

I'm here for now.

[McCaber]

Because it's easy for quiet people to go unnoticed while the loudmouths tear each other apart, and if those quiet ones are guilty... well too bad. And people often prefer to save the most substantial players till later.
Sad but true. You get people who post all over like Lommy and Boro who say quite a bit, and then people like me who often don't have much to say.

It's easier to tell a loud wolf in the lategame because inconsistencies are easier to catch when there's a lot of posts.

And in the past I've been an effective villain by staying rather quiet, so I know from personal experience to get the silent ones first.

[Thinlómien]

Thanks a lot Lommy, for stealing my thunder, I can't even get the 2nd!That's what you get for being such a sluggish writer. :p

Because he's the phantom and I know won't (hopefully) get lynched on Day 1 for my little insignificant vote.What's the point in voting someone in order not to get them lynched? Would not refraining from voting be wiser?

Lommy - I don't like minstrels, but as long as you are not Robin's minstrels I promise I won't eat you if winter unexpectantly comes upon usOh brave sir Boro ran away... :p

the phantom - ugly stepsister anyone? That would be a cruel joke.
*dies laughing*

I'm probably not voting for Gaurie or Inzy today because this is their first game.Well yes even though I advocated the objectivity policy I'm going to do that too... but toMorrow they will not receive any such kindness from me and also, I will not refrain from suspecting or accusing them toDay.

Why immediately throw to the wolves (so to speak) anyone who may not be able post often right away? Seems rather unnecessary.
Because it's easy for quiet people to go unnoticed while the loudmouths tear each other apart, and if those quiet ones are guilty... well too bad. And people often prefer to save the most substantial players till later.And also because if I threten to vote people who are silent people may talk more and thus provide more evidence. ;)


edit: xed with the macabre guy

[Boromir88]

Ok, first major serious question I want answered...

Is it Rumple-stilt-skin, or would you say Rumples-tilts-kin?

McCaber, I promise not to accuse you of beeing "too right" about the baddies, where the only explanation is you are one. Here's a toast to the bitter memories, let them lay still. :p

Edit: crossed with Lommy

[Mithalwen]

I am here but I haven't got much to say yet - other than it is just as well that double lynches aren't allowed. With potentially 2 pairs of lovers there is a risk of a lot of collateral damage if we get it wrong ... and we could end up with 5 baddies, let alone all these guess and die characters... All of which I am still getting to grips with (I feel a chart coming on... or maybe a herbal infusion will cleart the mind). With all these special roles a lot of people will have private agendas - so the decision may be not IF people are behaving oddly but why... and with that in mind I shall take a good look at what you have been up to...

[Inziladun]

What about Ladu then?[/QUOTE]

Like I said, whatever everyone agrees on.

Because it's easy for quiet people to go unnoticed while the loudmouths tear each other apart, and if those quiet ones are guilty... well too bad. And people often prefer to save the most substantial players till later.

Makes sense. Tricky devils.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Zirry
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zilly Is it just me or are these Zirries and Zillies a tad confusing? (And who's Zirry anyway? Aganzir?) :confused:


EDIT: x-ed with Inzy/Ladu/Zilly/Dun/whatever :D

[Boromir88]

Like I said, whatever everyone agrees on.~Zil
Plus passing my approval.

EDIT: Oooh how cool, this was my 444th post. I like even numbers.~Greenie
If it was your 666th I would see you are immediately lynched. :p

But since it's not...

++the phantom

[Thinlómien]

Nerwen - funny and makes sense-ish, no reason to be at her throat yet
Eomer - his normal self ie bears watching ;)
Lommy - to quote one of the greatest minstrels of our times, J.R.R. Tolkien: "immortal maiden Elven-wise"... except sadly not immortal!
Aganzir - is for once refraining from attacking me + makes good points = good
Sally - her instant has been an hour - suspicious :p
McCaber - making points and suspecting people, I quite like it
Izzy - nothing
Mira - nothing
Gaurcrist - nothing
Shasta - nothing
Gwath - nothing
Boro88 - amusing... but I'm really going to rip something or someone to pieces if he and phantom start a sort of clandestine co-operation again!
Kath - her normal self
Inziladun - getting hang of the game, actually playing, I like it
Fea - nothing
Nienna - making vague hints
Greenie - amusing but not much substance yet
Lari - fishy exactly in the way that attracts my Day1 votes magnetically (and usually is not proof of guilt.... *sigh*)
Mith - just made a fair point
the phantom - lack of substance and volume :p


edit: xed with Zil, Green and Boro

[the phantom]

the phantom- a bit unbalanced and unpredictable?
Exactly! First try. I'm impressed.
*dies laughing*
So long as you aren't cackling.

And Boro- I made a mistake. Three mistakes actually! Two of them seem to be related, but they're not. Who says coincidences don't exist? I don't say that. But then I do say that I haven't started trying yet. I'm wondering right now what I'm actually supposed to do besides act unbalanced and unpredictable, and wondering what everyone else is supposed to do. How many people are on their own team this game? Between the Baddies and Lovers there aren't really any, um, villagers.

So, is this really what we have? Baddies- want to kill everyone. Lovers- want to kill everyone. Gifteds- want to.... um.... kill Baddies? But then if the Lovers win, don't only they win, and the Goodies don't? So why are the Gifteds trying to save everyone else, since no one else is on their team?

And I still haven't figured out what Prince Philip has to do with me. He shares my name, but why? Is it a sign?

I must consult my books. Don't bother me.

edit: x-post with several, including another ++tp! Because Lari was onto something, I suppose.

[Thinlómien]

Is it just me or are these Zirries and Zillies a tad confusing? (And who's Zirry anyway? Aganzir?) :confused:Yes, it's her, sorry - I did that on purpose. :D

I have a horrible urge to join the tp-wagon just for the fun of it :Merisu: but I'm afraid I might have to save my retraction for more useful purposes because tomorrow I will have to try to balance between studying and playing ww...


edit: xed with the ghost himself

[Boromir88]

it's a bit difficult to judge the difference between possibly suspicious behaviour and what may be just people being themselves.~Inz
Especially zany, unpredictable Day 1's.

However, I will let you know about me. I'm eratic, kind of crazy.

For people who have a good read on my behavior see: Mith, Lommy, McCaber and the phantom.

Whatever these people say, believe the opposite: Agan and Fea

[A Little Green]

++the phantomEither Boro is just acting strange or else he has noticed something I haven't. *sigh* Now I'm just trying to figure out which of those is more probable. In any case, two unreasoned votes against the same person (whether or not it's the phantom) at this point of Day 1 confuses me a lot.


EDIT: x-ed with Boro

[the phantom]

Interesting.... According to my books, Nienna is a book-stealing cad, Eomer is a toad, and Boromir is a girl. :eek:

Okay, the first one is a bit biased, seeing as I hate Nienna, but I'm pretty sure of the other two.

And no, a toad isn't the same thing as frog.

Or is it?

[Mithalwen]

Oh do you have to kill TP before we have had a chance to flirt? *sighs* .... has he done something to suggest he wants to join the Fenris Pack or is this a bandwaggon.,, *goes looksee*

[Boromir88]

And no, a toad isn't the same thing as frog.~tp
All toads are frogs, but not all frogs are toads.

[the phantom]

No, I don't plan on joining the Fenris pack today. Maybe some other time.

Lari was just being weird. Boro- he was just checking/testing. It remains to be seen whether or not I pass his test.

[Mithalwen]

All toads are frogs, but not all frogs are toads.

Hmm
Before you meet the handsome prince you have to kiss a lot of frogs

Before you meet the handsome prince you have to kiss a lot of toads

I have known some slimy frenchmen in my time... :p but they disposed of their princes with the guillotine...

No doesn't help .....

[Thinlómien]

Either Boro is just acting strange or else he has noticed something I haven't. *sigh* Now I'm just trying to figure out which of those is more probable.I think it's either a scheme or a joke between friends and in both cases I advice to ignore it. :rolleyes:;)

[Aganzir]

People I like: McC (although if he's planning to be quiet himself while saying the silent ones should be lynched first, I'm going to vote for him :p), Laddie (who seems to be getting a grip on the game well), and Mith (speaks sense and is likeable anyway).
I'm also liking Lommy for now (except that phantom bandwagon comment which looked a bit evil), mainly because I agree with her pretty much.

People I don't like: Boro (nasty) and phantom (my main competitor for the ladies' attention, and why not that of the gentlemen's, too? ;)). I won't concentrate on them today though, as usual.

What's the point in voting someone in order not to get them lynched? Would not refraining from voting be wiser?
Well if she isn't sure of her participation tomorrow and doesn't want to risk modfire? In that case I understand.

But then if the Lovers win, don't only they win, and the Goodies don't?
Why couldn't there be two/three different winners? It takes nothing away from us if also the lovers win, or vice versa. I think they just want to survive together, not at the expense of others.
And basically the longer they stay alive, the better for us since they can work from the basis that they know a bit more than just their own innocence.

I'm eratic, kind of crazy.
You never guess how I misread that.

Whatever these people say, believe the opposite: Agan and Fea
I think Boro looks rather innocent and smart, you know, a player who's good to have around.

Greenie - maybe you should calm down and ignore Boro and phantom? ;) It might save you from lots of headache.

[Boromir88]

Lari was just being weird. Boro- he was just checking/testing.~tp
A test yes, but a test to find out about you? Throw out my past experiences, where my entire strategy rested on whether I thought you were innocent or not, I am trying to adjust so everything isn't about you. Besides I know you are always on your toes and would never fall for any of my tests.

So, a test you are right, but you are being used as the controlled variable, not what I am testing. Don't worry, you will be richly compensated for involuntarily taking part in the experiment. ;)

[Boromir88]

You never guess how I misread that.~Agan
Did you imagine reading an "o" in place of another vowel?

[Aganzir]

Did you imagine reading an "o" in place of another vowel?
I didn't imagine it, I tell you! It was there!

[Boromir88]

I didn't imagine it, I tell you! It was there!
hmm...Agan's got her love glasses...on. (Or should it be beer goggles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORqzaOFUCsg&feature=PlayList&p=58976F6C913F4CF9&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=59)?)

Edit: the link

[Mirandir]

*runs in* I DID NOT forget about this little meeting. It simply...slipped my mind. As usual. I do need to make a trip to the...market...before it closes but I shall return! *scampers off*

[McCaber]

Oh Boro, what are we going to do with you? If someone wants tp dead fast, they have an excellent start on it. I for one would rather leave him be for now.

Being on Lommy and Agan's good list for once is weird, but it makes sense for thls game. I mean, I'm actually talking about people.

I have known some slimy frenchmen in my time... but they disposed of their princes with the guillotine...
Nice.

I'll be gone for a few hours more, but I have the entire evening ahead of me. So I'll be back. And try and accomplish something while I'm gone, eh?

[Aganzir]

hmm...Agan's got her love glasses...on. (Or should it be beer goggles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORqzaOFUCsg&feature=PlayList&p=58976F6C913F4CF9&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=59)?)
Bah I don't wear glasses nor do I drink beer (it's bad, eww). :p

Being on Lommy and Agan's good list for once is weird
Why? Would we hit closer if we had you listed as evil? ;)

[Nienna]

I have a Good Book and a Bad Book. Come buy them from me! I take all forms of denomination and will even barter for goats.

And Mr. The Phantom if you keep up this name calling I may just to add you to my Bad Book. Tsk Tsk.

[Gwathagor]

Bah I don't wear glasses nor do I drink beer (it's bad, eww). :p

WRONG! You clearly haven't had good beer.

Beer is actually awesome.

[the phantom]

I would say our best hope is to be so amusing that the Mod refuses to kill us. Here's my suggestion to grant us immortality. Tonight, we do this.

Seer- dream of me
Fairy Godmother- protect me
Hunter- hunt me
Hansel- cancel my vote
Gretel- double my vote
Fair Maiden- guess me
Princess- guess me
Frog- guess me
Prince- guess me
Baddies- kill me
Bridegroom- guess me

Seriously. That would be a record that would never be beaten. Come on now, first day and night can be rather random anyway. Might as well make history.
I think it's either a scheme or a joke between friends and in both cases I advice to ignore it.
Greenie - maybe you should calm down and ignore Boro and phantom?
Oh boy, Boro. We're back to this. Seems so familiar. :p
Don't worry, you will be richly compensated for involuntarily taking part in the experiment.
Oh, goodie. I love gifts.
And try and accomplish something while I'm gone, eh?
Like what? Kill someone? But do you really want that to happen while you're gone? I don't think you really meant that.

Oooo.... I know what we could do! False reveals!! Now, if I recall, the Lovers are never allowed to say "I'm the Frog" or anything like that, but it never says you can't say "I'm the Hunter" and "I'm the Princess" and "I'm the BBW" (if you're really not). So if Prince Charming were to reveal as every role in the village, but not Prince Charming, we'd know he is Prince Charming! :)

Oh, but wait.... if he causes us to realize his identity, could it be argued he did in fact reveal? Bah. I'm leaving.

[Inziladun]

WRONG! You clearly haven't had good beer.

Very wrong! Anyone who hates beer ought to be under automatic suspicion. ;)

[Mithalwen]

*sigh* well I can't say my investigations have been particularly helpful. A lot of people seem odd but then that is to be expected in the circumstances.

Lommie and Boro make odd early posts.

Nerwen is probably the most amusing and for that I would keep her around a while though I know too well she has been evil and hysterically funny before...

Inziladun- I can understand the work limitations just concerned that so much effort has been put into finding him a nick name. Not his fault but surely we have greater priorities - I am beginning to worry that "finding a nickname" for Inszladun wil become synonymous with "rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic".

Kath seems ok - I got the deadline confused too so I am in sympathy. For now. Besides if she is innocent she is bound to die early... ;)

Agan seems ok so far too.

Boro is worrying me. I don't like the first post. I don't like him saying I can judge him. So often I have got him right but maybe you have been gone too long or I know how good you can be when you are bad. Can't say I trust you yet.... especially with that vote for phantom...retractable so may be flying a kite.. but dangerous given that Lari had already voted for him.

And the phantom.... I wonder .. .he namechecks people who haven't yet posted in his early (first?) post> Qwath and Gaur ... significant? If so perhaps more likely to be evil than good... a gifted would only know about one person, wolfs often mention their colleagues to avoid accusations of NOT mentioning them when they become known... but TP is a more sophisticated thinker than I so what do I know.

Zilch but I don't have to vote til tomorrow thank goodness.

[Gwathagor]

Qwath..haha. Makes me think of quaff, which makes me think of beer.

[Mithalwen]

Seriously. That would be a record that would never be beaten. Come on now, first day and night can be rather random anyway. Might as well make history.


In my first game as mod, Morm was Mr Popular (The Seer, Ranger and Mythomaniac all picked him). The wolves didn't because he was one of them.

No organisation .. you might have superior numbers but it would be a contrived imitation. Besides there are more important things than massaging your ego.

[Gwathagor]

Surprise, surprise - Phantom wants to be the center of attention again. :rolleyes: Or maybe it's that he IS the center of attention, whether we like it or not, and he's simply accepted that fact?

Crossed with Mith.

[Kath]

In my first game as mod, Morm was Mr Popular (The Seer, Ranger and Mythomaniac all picked him). The wolves didn't because he was one of them.
And it led to an evil win. Therefore don't follow phantom's plan unless you want that. That said we only all picked morm because we figured he was evil straight away ... well, except the Ranger clearly.

... is my way of saying I'm back! I'm actually going to have to vote toNight but not for about an hour or so. I'll be hanging around for a bit, having a read through and a think.

[Boromir88]

Before you meet the handsome prince you have to kiss a lot of frogs

Before you meet the handsome prince you have to kiss a lot of toads~Mith
If you are petitioning to be my recipient, it's working and a I love it. I am sorry if it disappoints you, however, to learn that I am not french and I just shaved yesterday in case this dreamy fairytale were to come true. ;)

Oh boy, Boro. We're back to this. Seems so familiar. :p
haha. :D

[wilwarin538]

I would say our best hope is to be so amusing that the Mod refuses to kill us. Here's my suggestion to grant us immortality. Tonight, we do this.

Seer- dream of me
Fairy Godmother- protect me
Hunter- hunt me
Hansel- cancel my vote
Gretel- double my vote
Fair Maiden- guess me
Princess- guess me
Frog- guess me
Prince- guess me
Baddies- kill me
Bridegroom- guess me

Seriously. That would be a record that would never be beaten. Come on now, first day and night can be rather random anyway. Might as well make history.


Oh boy, Boro. We're back to this. Seems so familiar. :p

Oh, goodie. I love gifts.

Like what? Kill someone? But do you really want that to happen while you're gone? I don't think you really meant that.

Oooo.... I know what we could do! False reveals!! Now, if I recall, the Lovers are never allowed to say "I'm the Frog" or anything like that, but it never says you can't say "I'm the Hunter" and "I'm the Princess" and "I'm the BBW" (if you're really not). So if Prince Charming were to reveal as every role in the village, but not Prince Charming, we'd know he is Prince Charming! :)

Oh, but wait.... if he causes us to realize his identity, could it be argued he did in fact reveal? Bah. I'm leaving.

Wow....I think I should just kill you now and get it over with. Cause that's a terrible idea....:p

Hypothetical situation: If the wielder of the looking glass reveals himself and then he reveals one of the Lovers, it's not like they have to deny it. So basically, they can't reveal themselves, but they can go along with it if someone else reveals them. No, that does not mean the Lovers can reveal each other.

[Mithalwen]

I would like to say that I do like beer... and it is nearly time for Ringwood's Boondoggle .... not that Old Thumper and Forty niner are not fine beers .... but

[Gwathagor]

Huh, so is Boro really trying to test us, or did he just pick up on that suggestion from Phantom and decide to run with it? If the former is the case, then I presume the test is to see who else votes for Phantom and how - whether it turns into a bandwagon. That seems risky to me. Surely, Boro, you could "test" the village without risking the life of one of our better players?

Crossed with everyone since Me.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm shocked that this game has started already (and to be honest, a little irritated that I still manage to be an Ordinary Villager when there's only four in the entire game.)

Let me reread the first page and the rest of this page and I'll get back.

*fletches arrows madly to make up for lost time*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Alright, I've read.

And Wilwa is right; I'm not a morning person. :D

I have one thing to quote and reply to:

And in the past I've been an effective villain by staying rather quiet, so I know from personal experience to get the silent ones first.

Bah. You're always "rather quiet". :p

And one suggestion for the village; lynch Phantom or Boro today. If both of them are around for too long, this game will go from "confusing" to "mind-numbingly complicated".

:rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Shasta, Eomer, and Gwath are safe from me for two days. Maybe more. We'll see.

Boro, Gaurcrist, Inzil, Green, and Mith are safe for one day.

Nienna will never be safe- that pandering book wench! She's evil. Even if she isn't evil, she is, in fact, evil.

Fea..... I have nothing to say, except- without stories, how boring would life be?

I suggest we lynch no one.

[Mithalwen]

I'm shocked that this game has started already (and to be honest, a little irritated that I still manage to be an Ordinary Villager when there's only four in the entire game.)



Err Shasta, if you are an innocent, is that really the most helpful thing you could post? Not going to be any Captain Oates acts from you then are there? :rolleyes:

And Boro, I don't want to kiss you, or indeed anyone at the moment ..unless perhaps they happen to be made of chocolate.... Any takers for including Goldilocks and the three (grizzly) bears...

[Boromir88]

I suggest we lynch no one.~tp
Hmm...pretty good suggestion considering the amount of specials and assets we have (including Shasta ;) ). The chance of a disastrous lynch is greater.

And Boro, I don't want to kiss you, or indeed anyone at the moment ..unless perhaps they happen to be made of chocolate~Mith
I can be made of chocolate if that pleases you, but I ask do not take being nominated for the Arda Cup out on me, I had nothing to do with that. I swear, it was all tp's idea and pushed through by Skip.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Err Shasta, if you are an innocent, is that really the most helpful thing you could post? Not going to be any Captain Oates acts from you then are there? :rolleyes:

Weeeeellll, Mith darling, I've decided that this game is going to be somewhat wild, and after all, one must keep up with the times, mustn't one? :)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I suppose though, if Phantom plans to grant me the courtesy of not voting for me, it would be scurrilous of me not to do the same.

Oh well. I suppose I'll just have to vote for Boromir first. :)

[Gwathagor]

Shasta, Eomer, and Gwath are safe from me for two days.


Safe from you? What would you to to us if we weren't?

[Boromir88]

Oh well. I suppose I'll just have to vote for Boromir first. :)

When was the last time you didn't vote for either of us on Day 1? :p

[Boromir88]

By the way, you can't trust someone's promises, but you can trust votes...and see I already voted so you are already safe from me. ;)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

When was the last time you didn't vote for either of us on Day 1? :p

There's something to be said for consistency, don't you agree? :p

[Mithalwen]

Can you all stop hitting on me. I am so not in the mood....

*stomps off chewing a vast bar of Dairy Milk growling "leave me alone"*

[Aganzir]

WRONG! You clearly haven't had good beer.
Because such a thing as good beer does not exist? ;) My taste is just too sophisticated for beer.

I agree with Mith about Lommy & Boro's first posts being odd but I wouldn't read too much into them because it's not easy to be the first poster.
However I don't think Boro's phantom vote makes him suspicious, I recall he likes to have fun with retractable votes at times.

a little irritated that I still manage to be an Ordinary Villager when there's only four in the entire game.
Basically that's not a good thing to say for an ordo since it narrows down the field of possible Red Caps and therefore makes it easier for the Big Bad Wolf to guess her identity.

I'm planning to go to sleep soon.

[Mirandir]

I suggest we lynch no one.

And where, dear phantom, is the fun in that? :D

Ima go ahead and vote now since it probably should be bedtime (meaning I'll vote now and retract later if necessary when there's actually reason to do so). So for now,

++sally

Since I know she won't hurt me for voting her. :D

[Thinlómien]

Well if she isn't sure of her participation tomorrow and doesn't want to risk modfire? In that case I understand.Well yes I considered that option but it's still not a vote I'd have made...

If someone wants tp dead fast, they have an excellent start on it.I could bet almost anything for that he's going to retract that vote...

What's thing between phantom and Nienna?

And one suggestion for the village; lynch Phantom or Boro today. If both of them are around for too long, this game will go from "confusing" to "mind-numbingly complicated". Haha, so true. But I just think we should ignore them to an extent, especially tp. ;)

I have a feeling everybody's sending hints all the time and I'm not getting them. :rolleyes:

I will now go to sleep, unless I've cross-posted with something interesting...

PS. Feel free to lynch me for I also think beer is bad.;)


edit: xed with Boro's #72 and everything after that

[wilwarin538]

Basically that's not a good thing to say for an ordo since it narrows down the field of possible Red Caps and therefore makes it easier for the Big Bad Wolf to guess her identity.


Little Red doesn't know who she is. She was told she was an ord. ("she" referring to role, not necessarily player, as always)

Oh, and I'm Canadian and I don't even like beer. So feel free to lynch me....oh wait. :P

[Kath]

Shall we have a list? I think we shall! I suspect most of the entries will simply say 'banter' but there's not a lot I can do about that at this stage.

Nerwen - do Agan and Lommy fight a lot in game? I hadn't noticed that before, or at least not remembered it.

Eomer - banter.

Lommy - clearly Noggie is playing over her shoulder with the loud/quiet debate comment. :p Thinks Lari should have refrained from voting, but would likely have been the first to jump on her and ask why she hadn't voted if Lari had gone for that option. From her list has some suspicion of Lari based on what she said before, otherwise she's no idea. Ah we have a retraction! Well that explains Boro.

Agan - I want to know how many other people are now tempted to go look up all Nerwen's past games and see if that thing about the word 'terrible' is true! Warns of potential revenge vote. Very good point about the fair maiden if her maths is right. Loud/quiet debate. Doesn't like Boro or phantom but will leave them alone - reason?

sally - pops up.

McCaber - surprisingly well thought out suspicions for a first post! Adds to the loud/quiet debate.

Mira - appears.

Shasta - arrives. Says McCaber is always quiet and we should kill phantom and/or Boro now to save ourselves a headache.

Gwath - says Boro should be able to test the village without resorting to killing.

Boro - whole lot of nothing. This list on the other hand not so well thought out. *sigh* And off to coded communication again. I knew there was a reason I hated Boro and phantom playing together. Votes phantom, I'm sure for some horrendously complicated reason. This early in the game I don't much care to try and pick it apart.

Inzil - intro post. Haha! I love his (boy yes?) description of phantom: a bit unbalanced and unpredictable? Just you wait til Fea begins her madness Inzil.

Nienna - banter.

Greenie - arrives ... leaves. Doesn't like the unreasoned votes against phantom.

Lari - makes her excuses and leaves, voting phantom first. I can see her point. It's like the people who vote Nog early on Day 1 only to see him saved in the last few seconds.

Mith - arrives. Wonders about the votes for phantom. Seems to have come to no real conclusions but clearly thinking things through well. Not keen on Boro or Lommy.

phantom - random except for the mention of Lari. Interesting thoughts, but there are also 4 ordos on the 'normal' Gifted team. Helpfully suggests we lynch no one. If there were no wolves fine, but as there are it isn't a great plan.

And I got nothing from Izzy, Gaurcrist or Fea. Though I foresee problems with me realising Fea has arrived because I thought she had already before I realised it was actually Greenie.

From all that the only person who jumped out at me was Lommy for her reaction to Lari's vote. I'm going to vote in a few minutes so it'll probably be for her.

[Kath]

Hmm cross posted with quite a few people there.

[Mithalwen]

Wilwa dear that was not a helpful clarification... :rolleyes:

[Aganzir]

Little Red doesn't know who she is. She was told she was an ord. ("she" referring to role, not necessarily player, as always)
I know but as anyone who thinks xe's an ordo could be her, it isn't good to be too loud about being ordinary.

[the phantom]

Oh well. I suppose I'll just have to vote for Boromir first.
Do what you will, but I repeat, my books say Boro has a girl role. And in this world, there are more good girls than bad ones.

In this world.

Anyway, I can understand being upset with Shasta for admitting he's an Ordo. The best thing an Ordo can do in this set up is get themselves Night-killed or guessed by the baddies. But oh well. The fact that his play upsets us doesn't make him any less of an Ordo. So everyone should just leave him be.
Safe from you? What would you to to us if we weren't?
Night kill you.

I mean- no, um, lynch you is what I meant to say.
Can you all stop hitting on me. I am so not in the mood....
I know what will cheer you up, dear. I'll make you the goal-keeper on the TIG team. :)

[Mithalwen]

I know what will cheer you up, dear. I'll make you the goal-keeper on the TIG team. :)

++ the phantom

Not because I think you are evil but because you are patronising and I hate you.

[Kath]

++LOMMY

For the reasons mentioned above. I won't be back before deadline now.

[wilwarin538]

Wilwa dear that was not a helpful clarification... :rolleyes:

Yes, uhm...I realised that after I said it. I misunderstood what Agan was trying to say. Just ignore me....:p.

[Thinlómien]

Kath, you're right, I realise that now. I would have condemned Lari if she had popped up and said she isn't going to vote. And also if she had voted someone and claimed it's random. And possibly even is she had voted herself. Oh well. :D

edit: xed with Mith, Kath and Wilwa

[Mirandir]

++ the phantom

Not because I think you are evil but because you are patronising and I hate you.

:eek: I'm sensing some hostility here. Can't we all just get along and play a nice clean game of WW?

...

Oh who am I kidding? :p

And yes, I really do have nothing of substance to contribute at the moment. Although the hostility between Mith and phantom has been noted.

[the phantom]

Not because I think you are evil but because you are patronising and I hate you.
"Patronising"?! How dare you call me patronising, you insignificant piece of dust! You're all just little mole-hills compared to Mount Phantom the mighty!! I am all-pow....

Wait.... oh, okay. I can see that argument, Mith. Sorry.
What's thing between phantom and Nienna?
She is my bitter rival. Rival because we both own bookshops. Bitter because her boyfriends always dump her. But that really has nothing to do with the question.

[Boromir88]

Boro - whole lot of nothing. This list on the other hand not so well thought out. *sigh* And off to coded communication again. I knew there was a reason I hated Boro and phantom playing together. Votes phantom, I'm sure for some horrendously complicated reason. This early in the game I don't much care to try and pick it apart.~Kath
I take greater joy out of people thinking I have a brilliant concoction, and giving people a headache, when there is no reason to, because I have no plan and I just say random things that come to mind.

Now for the reason I voted for tp, you have already figured it out, see Miss Cleo...now that is an intentional coded message directed at you, because if I were to tell you the answer directly it won't work. ;)

wilwa, aren't you supposed to be dead?

Mira, aren't you supposed to be in bed?

Mith...as....you...wish *picture me saying that as I roll off a cliff.*

[Mirandir]

Mira, aren't you supposed to be in bed?

*cough* Nooo... :p

[Boromir88]

*cough* Nooo... :p

Ok then, in that case, before you actually do go to sleep, I hope you are not shirking any duties, just make sure if you have something important to remember, please remember to do it. :p

[Gwathagor]

Because such a thing as good beer does not exist? ;) My taste is just too sophisticated for beer.


:eek: WHAAAT? You - what - how could - ridiculous!! :mad: I am at a loss for suitable words and refuse to talk to you for the rest of the game - or until I feel so inclined, whichever comes sooner. I will only say this: my sense of taste is QUITE sophisticated and I enjoy certain kinds of beer VERY much. You speak evil of that which is fair beyond the reach of your thought, and only little wit can excuse you!

[Aganzir]

do Agan and Lommy fight a lot in game? I hadn't noticed that before, or at least not remembered it.
Erm check every game we've played together since the Duelling Wizards. ;)
I blame Rikae though, she told us wolves to lynch Lommy so I made a massive case against her, and it sort of stuck.

Doesn't like Boro or phantom but will leave them alone - reason?
It wasn't a very serious don't-like yet. Anyway I usually leave those twain alone on day 1 and wait till I can develop a clearer picture of them because everyone is concentrating on them all the time anyway.

I like also Kath for now.

Anyway my brain is slowing down so I'll go to sleep. Good night.

edit: xed with Boro & Gwath. :D

[Mirandir]

Ok then, in that case, before you actually do go to sleep, I hope you are not shirking any duties, just make sure if you have something important to remember, please remember to do it. :p

Yes Mommy. :D

I certainly hope I don't have anything important to remember...My alarm is set for the morning and I put on clean underwear so I think everything's set. :p

Yay 400th post!

[wilwarin538]

wilwa, aren't you supposed to be dead?


Yes, this is my spirit here to comfort you through this terrible ordeal. Didn't you read my narration? :p;)

I'm just bored, and all of this amuses me, which makes me less bored. And I'm expecting some PMs from certain peoples.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Boromir88
Ok then, in that case, before you actually do go to sleep, I hope you are not shirking any duties, just make sure if you have something important to remember, please remember to do it.

Yes Mommy.~Mira
You know I wasn't understanding why tp is convinced that I have a girl's role, I guess that just proves it. I walked straight into that one. :rolleyes:

I'm just bored, and all of this amuses me, which makes me less bored. And I'm expecting some PMs from certain peoples.~wilwa
I hope you find what you seek. It must be really amusing knowing who's what...I am very jealous right now.

[Gwathagor]

Ok then, in that case, before you actually do go to sleep, I hope you are not shirking any duties, just make sure if you have something important to remember, please remember to do it. :p

Trying to pass Mira off as a gifted so the wolves will kill her, eh?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Someone want to enlighten me as to when deadline is, so I don't forget to vote?

[wilwarin538]

In 12 hours, in relation to your post.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Ewwwwww, eight in the morning? Sadness.

I'll just have to vote a couple hours early, that's all.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I've arrived.

Fashionably late, of course.

Everybody knows my first day feelings: nobody's done anything particularly naughty yet, so nobody really has anything to hide, ergo nobody has any reason at all to be acting suspiciously, so any suspicions are pure bunk, created with poor reasoning and no legitimate evidence based on fact.

Consequently: I think we should lynch the phantom today, just because I seem to remember he's never been lynched, and I'd hate to deprive him of the honor of an early demise.

[Boromir88]

Ok so first day is past half way, and it is now time for me to get serious. You can ignore everything I have said before this point, so if anyone would ever wish to do an analysis on me, you should start with this post. (Or I guess the post after this one, because this is just a post telling everyone I mean business - not the actual business yet.)

[Inziladun]

Inzil - intro post. Haha! I love his (boy yes?) description of phantom: a bit unbalanced and unpredictable? Just you wait til Fea begins her madness Inzil.

I was spot on the phantom, hmm? And Feanor is one to watch? I seem to be surrounded by devious characters, all with their own little schemes. If that's not a good time, I don't know what is.
I still have no particular feeling on a suspect at this point. Boromir has said some odd things, either playing mind games or possibly something more ominous, but now he says that was all in fun.
Mith and the phantom appear to have a little animosity toward one another; Gwathagor seems ok, as (he?) likes beer; Aganzir 'doesn't hold with beer' (casts sidelong glance)........
I'm going to bed now, but I'll be up well in time for the deadline. Maybe something will come together by morning (probably wishful thinking).

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I vote we lynch all the beer-drinkers and leave the village to the ones who are happy to drink whiskey straight. :cool:

[Inziladun]

I just noticed I didn't answer Kath's question. I am indeed, male.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I vote we lynch all the beer-drinkers and leave the village to the ones who are happy to drink whiskey straight. :cool:

Seconded!

[the phantom]

I think we should lynch the phantom today, just because I seem to remember he's never been lynched
No, no, dear, I was lynched in WW III. Been there, done that.

And I have no opinion on the lynch-beer-drinkers debate. I'm a Dr Pepper man.

I agree, Boro, that we really ought to be getting serious now, but my role is just so fun. I'm usually analyzing and scheming and other things, when it's much easier and fun to just thrash about and say stuff for no reason at all. I should be a slightly insane book liberator in every village.

Plus I don't really have time to do much of anything, not to mention that there isn't much to analyze at this point. I'll get serious later. Day 2 maybe. For sure by Day 3. Because really, folks, this is a fairy tale village. I've read enough of those to know that we'll all live happily ever after. So why stress? Go home, and read a book. But not one of mine.

*pets books*

I'm going to take a nap now. Okay, not really- I'm actually going to grab my equipment and attempt to rob Nienna's store while everyone is preoccupied with this Werewolf stuff. But shhh, you don't know anything about it.

[Gwathagor]

I vote we lynch all the beer-drinkers and leave the village to the ones who are happy to drink whiskey straight. :cool:

But what will you do with those who drink both?

[Gwathagor]

But what will you do with those who drink both?

(I am presuming that for the purposes of this debate you aren't differentiating between whiskey and whisky.)

[McCaber]

Well, I'm back. And Watchmen is still an awesome movie, for all those concerned.

Beer vs. Whiskey, eh? I think I'm with tp here, but I favor the Jones Cream Soda (http://www.myjones.com/shop/beverages/pure-cane-soda/12-pack-of-jones-pure-cane-cream-soda.html) myself.

Fea's playing around with her first few posts. Nothing wrong with that, as long as it stays playing.

(psst, phantom, if you need any "breaking and entering" kits, they're around back of the shop.)

[satansaloser2005]

And where, dear phantom, is the fun in that? :D

Ima go ahead and vote now since it probably should be bedtime (meaning I'll vote now and retract later if necessary when there's actually reason to do so). So for now,

++sally

Since I know she won't hurt me for voting her.

Oh really?! Here, have an apple, darling. :p


++ the phantom

Not because I think you are evil but because you are patronising and I hate you.

And in a dramatic reversal....;)

Wow, I'm tempted to lynch phantom just to see if we could actually get him lynched on Day One. Of course this would do us no good so I probably wouldn't actually do it, but still....it'd make me giggle.


I take greater joy out of people thinking I have a brilliant concoction, and giving people a headache, when there is no reason to, because I have no plan and I just say random things that come to mind.

Mith...as....you...wish *picture me saying that as I roll off a cliff.*

Always a good choice, Boro dear. And may I just say....very nice....

Trying to pass Mira off as a gifted so the wolves will kill her, eh?

Agan's not the only one misreading things.....*shifty eyes*



K, so I had a bunch of stuff quoted earlier (like things I wanted to properly respond to) but my internet's been even more horrible than usual. I really did mean to post this afternoon, and tried several times, but I haven't had internet since my last post, at least not for long enough to make a post. With that in mind I have no idea who to vote but want to make sure I do vote, so....


++Agan


Because of a weird feeling, and because I know she won't get cross with me for voting her out of desperation. I'll do my best to catch up with the thread, but honestly I don't think I'll be back for the rest of the Day because I'll likely go to bed the next time my internet kicks out, which will be shortly.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

(I am presuming that for the purposes of this debate you aren't differentiating between whiskey and whisky.)

No differentiation at all. Though I should specify that shooting whiskey isn't the same as drinking it.

[Gwathagor]

No differentiation at all.

Good to hear.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm going to bed in a few minutes, and I am not waking up to vote before deadline. No way.

So

++Boromir88

For teasing Mira about going to bed and making it sound like she was staying up in order to do Gifted-y things. And/or hinting at her that she's his Lover and ought to PM Wilwa about it asap so that they can rule the world together after killing us all. Or something. Dear god I'm tired.

Yeah.

Dear Day 1: the day you start offering me legitimate options, I will start voting with better rationale.

[Gwathagor]

Fea done stole my vote.

[McCaber]

Instead of voting now, I promise I'll get up early tomorrow morning, read, and vote at the last minute.

Until then, folks.

EDIT: Haha, Greenie. 444 as well. Let's see who can win when this is all said and done.

[Gwathagor]

Fea done stole my vote.

Well, doesn't matter.

++Boro

For pretty obviously trying to set up Mira. (i.e. basically same reason as Fea gave...but I mentioned it first...)

[Nienna]

So as I am going to bed as well, and have no intention of being up anywhere near deadline... I must vote now.

++ Fea

because it's always a good idea to lynch Fea :Merisu:

[Nerwen]

Well, doesn't matter.

++Boro

For pretty obviously trying to set up Mira. (i.e. basically same reason as Fea gave...but I mentioned it first...)

However, if he's trying to set up Mira for the wolves, odds are he's only the cobbler. If that is what's going on. I'm not sure.

ToDay may have set a new record for silly voting. I'm offering 12-to-one odds that some of these "++so-and-so because... uh... I feel like it..." voters are up to no good.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Voting, before bed.

++Boro

Never let it be said that I am inconsistent. :p

[Isabellkya]

It seems Wilwa-Pie is on the menu, if any would care to sample.

Poison Boro? I don't think so.
Only cakes, breads, and sweet things. As well as the occasional meat pie when the chance arises. What you say? Opportunist. Waste not want not.

I read Agan's Inzy as Izzy. o.O

Wow. Such entertainment. I'm reading everything as if it is being sung. :)

The Z's are flying everywhere! One should wear a helmet in here.

Wow. I definitely need to reread the thread after I post this.
Gwath's xposting notation played out in my head as 'Crossed with everyone since ME!' With uber emphasis on the Me part, which is/was in some movie I've watched recently (the emphasis on the 'me' portion at the end of a sentence). I want to say Gollum said it for some reason, however I don't think that is it.

Has anyone seen the Axe-CHocolate commercial? Spray yourself with some of that, and you become a walking chocolate bar. Then again, very easy for someone to tear your arm off and eat it. Oh noes for you!

Beer is tasty. Well, GOOD beer. That crap which is considered micro-brews or whatever you want to technically call it, besides crap. Which is mostly water. Ulgh.

Lari -> phantom
Boro -> phantom
Mira -> Sally
Mith -> phantom
Kath -> Lommy
Sally -> Agan
Fea -> Boro
Gwath -> Boro
Nienna -> Fea
Shasta -> Boro.

I believe is the tally. Boro 3. phantom 3. Fea, Agan, Lommy, Sally 1.

Which I find myself at an oddity. So many votes, so many hours before Deadline. What about the craziness at the end of the Day?!

[Isabellkya]

Oh yes.
Gwath are you having a split personality crisis of some sort? You keep quoting yourself and responding as if it is a different person.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

*Ahem* I will vote for whomsoever adds an 'e' to 'whisky'.

And yes, I am talking letters and words instead of those dangerous parties.

Er, not that I've been to any. I just dig graves, don't you know?

Ok, if Nogrod were playing he'd be absolutely furious. Unfortunately, there are retractable votes so one is never sure if a voter is just testing the water, so to speak.

However, had we irretractable votes, those who vote for their friends based on nothing other than jocularity would be first on my list. The trick is to decide which voters are coming back and which ones will stay in bed as the killing begins.

[Thinlómien]

I'm back here... I'll write one post now, see if someone posts meanwhile and reply them if I feel like it, then vote and go. If I manage to get (most of) my today's studyings done before the DL, I will be back to discuss and to change my vote if necessary.

[Aganzir]

Because of a weird feeling, and because I know she won't get cross with me for voting her out of desperation.
Ha just remember what happened with Lommy in the DW and ever since! ;)

Probably at least some of the early voters are going to retract but there are apparently also some who won't (mostly Boro-voters). Grr are you really going to lynch him on day 1 just because he's Boro?
Fea and Gwath are your arguments against him trying to set Mira up serious? And even if he was really setting her up, why would it make him suspicious? You know, I've been set up by him too, and that time he was the seer. ;)
Besides, of phantom and Boro I'd rather kill phantom because he's more confusing, but I'm not planning to vote for either of them today.

Apart from that I have pretty much no idea who to vote yet as no one strikes me as especially suspicious (Gaurcrist hasn't even appeared yet). There's been regrettably little serious discussion thus far anyway, and I'm planning to do something about it in a few hours when I'm back home.

As of now, I have a date with Nogrod. :smokin:

[Thinlómien]

I don't really like the votes so far. They seem terribly flimsily reasoned even for Day1 votes. And what's all this "I'll vote x 'cos she won't get angry"?! :rolleyes:

The first vote was Mira for Sally for apparently no reason even though there were already two pages of posting. I don't understand how come she wasn't able to find anything even slightly suspicious in that all.

The second one was Mith for phantom. Looks like she was just having a bad day and although that isn't a reasonable reason to vote someone, I'll let it pass. Or maybe she was just joking. *sigh*

Then, there was Kath for me. Guess what? I probably like this vote the best of those given so far. She voted less than ten minutes after Mira but unlike her, she was able to make a reasonable vote based on a (minor) suspicious thing. Exactly the thing I expect people to do on Day1. Who cares if the reason to suspect is a small one? It's still better than making a total shot in the dark!

I don't get Boro's behaviour but I think people are too quick to jump on it. It could have been just a joke. *shrugs* But actually the announcement that he's getting serious and we should ignore everything he said in the first half of the Day is what puzzles and worries me the most...

Quite frankly I don't like tp trying to hint being this and that. It could be a scheme to protect the village but it also could be a scheme to help the baddies or just him having fun, both of which do not sound very good to me.

Okay, back to discuss votes. Sally voted Agan based on a weird feeling and also used the infamous "she won't get mad at me" argument. I think this vote is ok, there's nothing bad in gut-feeling votes (except that they don't really reveal much of the voter).

Fea voted Boro next. I get a very bad feeling from this vote. It looks like a carefully planned bandwagon-starter against a dangerous player or maybe even a suspected gifted.

Gwathagor followed suit, but like he reminded, he mentioned the reason to vote Boro first and his vote looks rather ok, a lot less sinister than Fea's.

Nienna voted Fea just because "it's always a good idea to lynch Fea". If she's not going to come back and retract I'm going to seriously consider voting her. There were more then three pages of posting when she voted and she couldn't think of any more reasonable vote than voting her friend jokingly!

I don't like Shasta's vote either. Although it's (at least partly) a joke/grudge vote, I don't like it at all that he joins the predominant bandwagon so carelessly. Wolves are the only ones who can afford carelessness like that.


edit: xed with Aganzir

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Larien for phantom: she apparently won't be back.

Boro for phantom: I'm sure he'll be back.

Mirandir for Sally: Ah, here we go. Friendly vote - will retract "if necessary".

Mith for phantom: she'll be back.

Kath for Lommy: bit of sense.


Sally for Agan: similar to Mirandir's vote, though at least she mentions she has a "weird feeling" about Agan.

Fea for Boro: maybe for being deliberately confusing or troublesome?

Gwath for Boro: similar thinking as Fea.

Nienna for Fea: same bad vote as Mirandir.

Shasta for Boro: Had apparently decided to vote for Boro before game started.


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Conclusions? Mirandir's and Nienna's votes look worst to me. Doing nothing but aiming to get through Day One leaving no trail whatsoever. "Oh, you're not suspicious - you're actually my friend, and I like you. Here's a nothing vote."

[Thinlómien]

Haha I see Eomer and I agree for once. ;)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Crossed with Lommy, who seems to think very similarly to me.

This probably means she also spends hours every day contemplating trolls.

[Thinlómien]

Good
Aganzir - is helpful and smart in the innocent way, I should think. But then again, she can very well pull it off like that as a wolf, so I should probably put her to the middle category for now.
McCaber - I like his style in this game and I do hope it's a sign of innocence.
Izzy - just feels very innocent this far.
Kath - reasonable and making good points.
Inziladun - doesn't just seem very evil. Yet.
Mith - making good points and being rather relaxed ooc-ly, which could mean she's innocent.

Ok
Nerwen - she's funny and laid-back and all that but she does give me a slightly troubling feeling... I want to hear more of her.
Eomer - something in his manner always rings my alarm bells and I didn't exactly like his first post but he seems surprisingly okay this time. ;)
Sally - could be really either way.
Gaurcrist - has not posted.
Gwath - cannot judge him yet. Not ringing any alarm bells so far.
Boro - confuses me and I don't like the bandwagon against him. I'm looking very much forward to seeing the promised reasonable posts and also hearing his defense.
Lari - I guess Kath is right and whatever she could have done would have been suspicious to me. But I still don't like the vote.
Greenie - hasn't said much besides joking. Looking forward to seeing more.

Bad
Mira - like I just said, I don't like her vote.
Shasta - careless like a wolf (see my post discussing votes).
Fea - evil schemer-mastermind.
Nienna - trying to get away with a chit-chatty no trail vote? Or am I just overinterpreting it merely because I don't like it?
the phantom - I don't like the way he throws around various hints and is having ah so much fun with his role.


edit: xed with Eomer... contemplating trolls? werewolves, more like... ;)

[Thinlómien]

++Shasta

I don't want to vote Mira because it would look like Boro's the cobbler and I'm a wolf taking his hint. Yeah, I thought that way. Silly, I know. :D (But now that I admitted it, I don't have any reason not to vote her? Umh... well I do actually think Shasta's worse anyway.)

I don't want to vote Fea or phantom because I hesitate before adding more votes for those who have received joking votes.

I don't want to vote Nienna because I might just be disagreeing with her playing style radically.

So, Shasta seems like the most reasonable choice for me.

I'll be back if I manage.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Trolls are more interesting and, funnily enough, similar to Wargs insofar as they have been victims of malicious propoganda for untold centuries.

++NIENNA

I may retract, depending on how the day progresses. However, her vote smacks of surviving Day One without leaving any trail. Also, if I go ahead and vote now it might lead to more discussion, which is always useful.

Now, having finished wilwa's grave, I must start on the grave for tonight. Can there be a finer way to spend a morn than working happily outdoors? "Oh what a beautiful morning, oh what a beautiful day!"

Grave-digging: a perfect profession in every way.

[A Little Green]

Good morning! To quote Nerwen, ToDay may have set a new record for silly voting. Bigger post coming soon. Is there anyone else around?

[Isabellkya]

I think toDay is one of my most pathetic Day One's ever.

There is suspicious behavior everywhere, being veiled by something which could be explained away as 'in character banter'.

I think the easy votes would be for either phantom for some reason, and Boro for his whatevering with Mira.

Really, would Boro be that obvious Day one?

Do I vote for Shasta for saying to the Big Bad Wolf, unwise things?
Who even does that sort of thing on Day One? Bluff?


X'd since Agan's #131. I think trying to say I crossposted killed the Downs for me. o.O

[A Little Green]

I think it's either a scheme or a joke between friends and in both cases I advice to ignore it.Greenie - maybe you should calm down and ignore Boro and phantom?First thing - I don't think I was in a state that would have required calming down. Second thing - although only concentrating on those two is surely dangerous, I can't ignore two players completely, either. That seems very unwise. You wouldn't advice me to ignore Gwath, or Kath (I'm a poet! Hooray!), or Mith. I won't purposefully ignore anyone or anything. I don't see the point in that.

Surely, Boro, you could "test" the village without risking the life of one of our better players?Dunno why but calling scheming, complicated, attention-seeking players our better players annoys me. :p No, but honestly, I don't think making things complicated and doing all sorts of ploys necessarily means being right more often or being more efficient in catching wolves.

By the way, you can't trust someone's promises, but you can trust votes...and see I already voted so you are already safe from me.Sorry but I don't buy this. As if you didn't know or expected that whoever it was who you said this to didn't know that the votes are retractable. Smells of a purposeful attempt to mislead another player.

McC (although if he's planning to be quiet himself while saying the silent ones should be lynched first, I'm going to vote for him)
Grr are you really going to lynch him on day 1 just because he's Boro?So you'd be ready to lynch McCaber just because he plays like he always does but are angry when people are about to lynch Boro for being Boro?

[A Little Green]

Aganzir - seems okay this far. Her relationship with Lommy looks weird, though - before the game they talked about how they don't want to quarrel in this game, and now they are both decidedly considering each other innocent.
Boro - Dunno about him. I don't like his style, but I suppose that's nothing new and I agree with Agan that it's a poor reason for lynching him.
Eomer - Speaks sense, mostly.
Fea - I disagree with her about Day 1s, and I dislike her vote. She's entertaining, though.
Gaurcrist - I hope he knows the game has started.
Gwath - I would have changed Gwath into Qwath since I really prefer that but that would have meant that I'd have had to move him in my neat alphabetical order and I didn't have the energy to do so. :rolleyes: He seems all right this far.
Inziladun - Apart from the confusing nicknames he doesn't disturb me. :p
Izzy - Nothing alarming.
Kath - Speaks good sense. I like her.
Lari - I'm confused. I hope she'll be able to be around more toMorrow.
Lommy - Seems okay.
McCaber - Seems okay. I like his contribution.
Mira - Her vote is very easy and sort of non-comittal. That's all I have to say about her. Slightly evil.
Mith - She's nice.
Nerwen - She's even more entertaining than Fea and not nearly as alarming.
Nienna - I agree with Eomer and Lommy that her vote looks decidedly uninterested and non-comittal. An innocent would at least try to catch a wolf.
the phantom - Pretty much the same as with Boro: I dislike his style but that's not a good reason to lynch someone.
Sally - No read.
Shasta - I'm alarmed by him. His "I'm ordo"-comment seemed to me a rather wolvish thing to say. A baddie might not have thought so deeply about the interpretations a BBW could have derived from that if Shasta was not his fellow. I don't know if my explanation made any sense at all, but in short, that comment made me very uneasy about him. I'll vote for him unless a better candidate appears.

[A Little Green]

A slight correction to my list because my brain is leaking and I forgot half of my Lommy-sentence. Here comes the Lommy-sentence in full:

Lommy - Seems okay except for the thing I mentioned when talking about Agan.

[Boromir88]

Fea's spot on with her reasoning, no joke, it is 100% accurate. Now why Gwath and Shasta have jumped on it, I don't know. I actually buy Shasta's ordo plea at the beginning, but if he did vote for me just to keep long standing traditions and I am lynched, I will be sore.

Oh I should get this out of the way too

--the phantom

Gwath on the other hand looks the worst. He claims I am setting up Mira for a wolf kill,which I wasn't, I was trying to find my piece, but wouldn't that mean I am not a wolf? I guess I could be the robber bridegroom, but that's not me either, it would have been a great joy to play with the role I partially created, but alas not me. If I was the robber bridegroom someone (who I will not mention for his/her own safety) would be dead right now.

I don't get Boro's behaviour but I think people are too quick to jump on it. It could have been just a joke. *shrugs* But actually the announcement that he's getting serious and we should ignore everything he said in the first half of the Day is what puzzles and worries me the most...~Lommy
That's because there really is nothing in them, I am just randomly writing a response to whatever someone says. If you would like to pick my brain to see if I have a subconscious reason for responding in the way I did, go ahead, but I would not want to see you go insane. It would be much easier if one were to start an analysis on me, to start with this post.

[Boromir88]

Grr are you really going to lynch him on day 1 just because he's Boro?~Agan
Thank you for the defense, but can I have one of your lions just in case?

I have to remember this, because I remember defending you when I was a wolf before, so now I just think you might be returning the favor. Are you the type of wolf to sieze on the oppurtunity right now, or try to butter me up so I taste better?

I need to figure that out, Mith would be someone who would totally sieze on the oppurtunity, so if she comes and retracts for tp to vote for me, I am going to cast my vote for her.

[Boromir88]

Boro - Dunno about him. I don't like his style, but I suppose that's nothing new and I agree with Agan that it's a poor reason for lynching him.~Greenie
I realize I am a very difficult person, and it has to be excruciating having tp here, because we are constantly in an under-the-table power game to see which one of us can get the most attention. :p

However, I believe I have to get people talking to find out something. Now I could try "do you think the lovers will want to help us more or the wolves?," but that's not my thing. I could go through and type out long analysis posts, and post summaries of the current situation, but I am not a patient person. (can you tell?) The only way that seems to work, and doesn't get me night killed is to give people a migraine and make them talk about me, now I have information about...

You
Kath
Mith
Fea
Gwath
Shasta
the phantom
Izzy
Mira
Lommy
Agan
Inziladun
McCaber
sally

And maybe others I am missing, the point is though I have gotten a lot of people to talk about me, and with that I will try to make some kind of sense of it. But to try to do that on Day 1, with all the competing interests is going to be difficult.

[Isabellkya]

Agh.
It is late, and I rereading the thread again is not working very well at this hour.
I read a few posts, then go.. what did I just read again?

So..

++Shasta

Because I don't like his "reveal". He didn't even reply to the people whom questioned about the wise factor about it.

[Aganzir]

But actually the announcement that he's getting serious and we should ignore everything he said in the first half of the Day is what puzzles and worries me the most...
What I find funny is that he hasn't posted at all after that post. ;)
But yes he's probably aware his early posts won't be ignored whatever he says so I don't know what was the point of saying it.

Fea voted Boro next. I get a very bad feeling from this vote. It looks like a carefully planned bandwagon-starter against a dangerous player or maybe even a suspected gifted.
I don't like it either, it somehow looked like... over-explanatory. And it looks a bit as if she was sort of hiding behind her dislike towards day 1s and using it as a reason to vote for a dangerous player.

Basically I don't like any of the Boro votes very much because, well, the reasons aren't very good and it looks like an effort to get rid of someone who can severely harm the baddies if he's good himself.

I agree with Lommy and Eomer about the votes in general (but I don't contemplate trolls).

I don't want to vote Mira because it would look like Boro's the cobbler and I'm a wolf taking his hint. Yeah, I thought that way. Silly, I know. :D
Aieee I promised I'd ignore you but I can't help this! I don't like that comment - it means practically the same thing as voting Mira (according to you) would have meant. If you had voted her, I wouldn't probably have even thought of it that way, but you refrain from doing it because you don't want to appear wolfish by "taking hints from the cobbler". Still, you say it aloud, which looks like "Hey cobbler I caught your hint!" And that "Silly, I know" doesn't make it look any better.

I won't purposefully ignore anyone or anything. I don't see the point in that.
I was just trying to protect your little green head from aching as you always get annoyed with those two. :)

So you'd be ready to lynch McCaber just because he plays like he always does but are angry when people are about to lynch Boro for being Boro?
I could be blunt and say: Yes because Boro is louder.
But no I think you missed my point - I referred to McC saying quiet ones should be lynched first while giving the impression he was going to talk lots in this game.

before the game they talked about how they don't want to quarrel in this game, and now they are both decidedly considering each other innocent.
I don't see why you think that's weird, and at least on my part it isn't anything like "decidedly considering" her innocent. The only thing I decided was not to attack her with ridiculous reasons as long as she behaves herself and doesn't do the same to me.

I'm not overly fond of Greenie, somehow she seems to be aggressive and grasping at straws at the same time. Her point about Shasta was good, but unlike she, I don't think it was such a big thing. Like, I didn't approve much of his comment either, but it didn't make me feel "very uneasy".
I'm aware I have a tendency to suspect Green just because the way she plays always looks suspicious to me, but last time I decided not to say anything just because of that and lo! she killed me the next night.

[Mithalwen]

I am back and should be here to the end. Need to catch up. :D

[Nerwen]

Back. Reading.

[Boromir88]

What I find funny is that he hasn't posted at all after that post. ;)~Agan
Hey even robots have to sleep :p (Look what you made me do! Even after I promised not too).

But to make this be somewhat useful...I disagree with what you said about Lommy here:
Aieee I promised I'd ignore you but I can't help this! I don't like that comment - it means practically the same thing as voting Mira (according to you) would have meant. If you had voted her, I wouldn't probably have even thought of it that way, but you refrain from doing it because you don't want to appear wolfish by "taking hints from the cobbler". Still, you say it aloud, which looks like "Hey cobbler I caught your hint!" And that "Silly, I know" doesn't make it look any better.
It makes Lommy look innocent, because it is brutally honest. I used to be constantly paranoid, and careful about what I said, or what I posted. People think that makes you a wolf, but it doesn't, ordos and innocents fear the gallows and also constantly wonder "If I say this,will people want to lynch me? If I vote this person, and I am wrong, will people think I am a wolf?"...etc

Until I finally realized, you can say whatever you want, someone will have a bad feeling, a twist in their gut...some reason to actually suspect you. And Lommy being brutally honest that she is worried if she does something, people will think she's a wolf shows me two things:

1. She is actually thinking about who to lynch today. I mean based on that alone, she should live today.

2. She is worried about the gallows, but isn't hiding it. That type of honesty is hard to find in a wolf.

Maybe Lommy is a great manipulating baddie, but I do not have that "aieee" reaction, and now I wonder why Agan, you reacted to it? It looks a bit...over the top?

[Mithalwen]

The second one was Mith for phantom. Looks like she was just having a bad day and although that isn't a reasonable reason to vote someone, I'll let it pass. Or maybe she was just joking. *sigh*



Yes a bad day.... really fed up with being used as an Aunt Sally by people I thought were friends :( .... heigh ho

Anyway I have slept on it and will probably retract. We do need to bear in ming the Hansel and Gretel factor with this vote - I need a second opinion on this but it seems to me that someone is going to have to be 3 votes clear before it is certain they will be the lynchee?

Also I want to look at Shasta again. His reveal was so spectacularly unhelpful as an opening gambit I wonder if it is genuine. If he is not a wolf then BBW may well take a punt.... since they have nothing to lose. From the baddies perspective he is either a plain ordo with a 20% chance of being LRC or he is a gifted bluffing.

From the goodies (goody goody gum gum) perspective he has made himself vulnerable and a liability. Not quite sure that it deserves a preemptive lynch - though it is tempting. And he could be that gifted bluffing...

[Inziladun]

Well, I return from a few hours of not so blissful slumber in which I racked by brain to reach a decision today. I see some thoughtful analysis has been offered by some who seem to know what they're talking about, while others appear to be whistling past the graveyard (where Eomer no doubt resides in a leaning tar-paper shack polishing his spade).
I'll have to leave shortly, so I must decide and hope my instinct is correct.
There are three at this time who stand out to me: Boromir, who has thrown things out all over the place to the point I don't know how to take him; the phantom, offering little of any use, while making vague threats about how long everyone is safe, and Nienna, who cast that 'just because' vote for Feanor.
It's the last that bothers me the most, I think, and it smacks of a nervous ne'er do well possibly trying to eliminate one who could be a threat to her nefarious plans.
I really have to go now, and I won't make it back in time for the deadline, so...

++ Nienna

[A Little Green]

I'll be off for a while, I vote now just in case I don't make it back before DL. So:

++Shasta

because he seems the worst at this point. For further reasons, see my list post.


EDIT: x-ed with Inziladun

[Boromir88]

Yes a bad day.... really fed up with being used as an Aunt Sally by people I thought were friends :( .... heigh ho

I hope you know I would never be that mean. :( I still do not understand the opposite sex (note an old sig comparing you all to cell phones...that was a disaster :eek: ). If I did, I wouldn't be struggling to hold a significant relationship that lasts longer than 18 months.

[Boromir88]

Thinking about Hansel and Gretel, since Mith has brought it up. It might be wise to hold your powers today. Use them, when we get more information and are more confident.

[Mithalwen]

I didn't mean you so much Boromir.

And I may be interpreting the instructions wrong but I don't think that Hansel and Gretel have discretion in their powers - it says every day :(

OK to tidy up and it may get complicated at the end:

--the phantom

but he is still persona non amata

[Boromir88]

And I may be interpreting the instructions wrong but I don't think that Hansel and Gretel have discretion in their powers - it says every day~Mith
Can we call an official mod ruling and see if wilwa can make things as clear as mud?

I actually just figured it out, if I do ever get connected with my true love, and depending upon how things go it can be the 6th longest relationship I ever had...talk about depressing.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, I managed to get done with reading about analysis of prose style and imperialism&WW2 so I'm back here.

I must say I like Boro a lot more now that he has started taking the game seriously. :D He gives me the solid good innocent-Boro vibes but I'm far from sure so I'm still watching the situation. Well it may be simply that he stopped scheming...

Second thing - although only concentrating on those two is surely dangerous, I can't ignore two players completely, either. That seems very unwise.I didn't suggest ignoring them. I suggested ignoring Boro's vote for tp. (He even retracted it like I said he would. ;))

Shasta - I'm alarmed by him. His "I'm ordo"-comment seemed to me a rather wolvish thing to say.Oh, thanks for reminding me of that comment. I may even have to retract my vote for him now because I think the comment really seemed very genuine. (Of course, he could just be a baddie ensuring his future chances if he has to insist on being an ordo again, it's the easiest role to claim in this village and there aren't too many of them.) Hmm... difficult.

Eeks Agan is giving me slightly bad vibes, probably because she's suspecting me... I think our problem is that we expect each other to smart and to agree on stuff and when our expectations are failed by us disagreeing or one of us doing something the other one thinks silly we start suspecting each other... :D

I'm not overly fond of Greenie, somehow she seems to be aggressive and grasping at straws at the same time.Well she seems rather jumpy and cranky to me too, but I believe it might be just the Boro+tp combination that is vexing her, so I'm going to let it pass for toDay at least...

Yes a bad day.... really fed up with being used as an Aunt Sally by people I thought were friends .... heigh hoAww sorry. *hugs*

I'm not quite sure if I like Mith's discussion of Shasta. It's somehow rather unsettling... like, I don't know, maybe it sounds a bit as if it was written by a baddie instead of a goodie?


edit: xed with Boro

[Nerwen]

It's betting time!

Is Shasta a wolf trying to look like a gifted trying to look like an ordo? Or a gifted trying to look like a wolf trying to look like an ordo? Or an ordo? (3-1 each way)

And what in Middle-earth is Boro up to? I could see him as a villain trying to pose as one of the lover-roles– but that's not why he got voted. (I'm in the position of feeling that I might vote him... if the previous votes hadn't been so dodgy.)

I'll go and check the Hansel and Gretel roles.

EDIT:X'd since Mithalwen.

[Thinlómien]

And what in Middle-earth is Boro up to? I could see him as a villain trying to pose as one of the lover-roles– Well hishints are really rather boldly out there so it makes me wonder, as do many others who are throwing various hints around, mainly the phantom. This game is crazy.

[Aganzir]

Thank you for the defense, but can I have one of your lions just in case?
Nope, I don't want to risk you brutally killing them at night. :p

Are you the type of wolf to sieze on the oppurtunity right now, or try to butter me up so I taste better?
I would so try to butter you up as I best can and eat you a night before you'd begin to get dangerous to me. I can be very sweet if I want to. :cool:
However I don't think I was particularly defending you - rather I was complaining about the quality of the votes.

"do you think the lovers will want to help us more or the wolves?,"
They hopefully realise themselves that their chances of survival are better if they help us because they still count as innocents (or do they? Wilwa?) and the wolves want to kill each and every innocent.

It makes Lommy look innocent, because it is brutally honest.
It was that "Silly, I know. :D" which made me feel bad about it, like she was trying to altogether downplay the whole comment with it. Like, "see, this was just a silly thing that occurred to me (and I'm actually trying to leave a hint to the possible cobbler!)"
Personally I tend to be a very honest wolf - just because people don't think a wolf would do this or that. And therefore I have a hard time thinking a wolf could not be brutally honest.
But I am not going to vote for her today because of that.

I do not have that "aieee" reaction, and now I wonder why Agan, you reacted to it? It looks a bit...over the top?
Because I had sort of promised myself I'd try to ignore Lommy for a couple of days, just to avoid possible conflicts. Or are you talking about why I reacted to it in the first place?

Thinking about Hansel and Gretel, since Mith has brought it up. It might be wise to hold your powers today. Use them, when we get more information and are more confident.
Another option, if they haven't sent their choices yet (or are uncertain on any other day), is to muddle with the votes for people who have just one - that's the least likely way to cause a disaster. Also, if there's any chance Hansel & Gretel could be around & make their decisions only close to the deadline, I think they should. Think about possible last-minute gifted reveals, it's going to be a chaos if Gretel has doubled the vote of someone who voted for the gifted in question and Hansel cancelled that of someone's who's online then.

[Mithalwen]

I'm not quite sure if I like Mith's discussion of Shasta. It's somehow rather unsettling... like, I don't know, maybe it sounds a bit as if it was written by a baddie instead of a goodie?




Lommie, I understand where you are coming from and I wouldn't have been so explicit if it hadn't been for Wilwa's clarification last night. If I were a baddie I would have kept schtum more like. Remeber they have the advantage of knowing their fellows and they will know if Shasta is one of them. They aren't going to want him lynched if there is a possibility of turning them because believe me if we end up with 5 baddies 7 robber bridegroom and the possibility of multiple random deaths amongst the good then this could get to be a blood bath quickly.

BBW will surely check out Shasta if he knows he isn't a baddie. There is a 1/5 chance of him being LRC. I am just saying that if we aren't more certain about another candidate, lynching Shasta is damage limitation. Assuming he is telling the truth. Ruthless but when it comes to it we haven't got much margin for error.

[Nerwen]

Well, here they are:

Hansel: He may be a small child but he's more powerful then he looks! Every Day, at any time, he sends me the name of a player. This player’s vote will not count. He cannot choose the same player two Days in a row. If he chooses the player who has the role of the Old Witch his vote will not count and hers still will. He will not be informed if this happens.

Gretel: She may be a small child but she's more powerful then she looks! Every Day, at any time, she sends me the name of a player. This player will be given double voting; therefore their vote will be worth that of 2 votes. She cannot choose the same player two Days in a row. She can choose herself once. If she chooses the player who has the role of the Old Witch her vote will not count. She will not be informed if this happens.

EDIT:X'd since Lommy at 161.

[Mithalwen]

Has anyone an up to date vote tally? And I apologise for muddying the waters but who among us has not been tempted to smite the Phantom now and then?

[Thinlómien]

Fair point, Mith. I hadn't thought of it that way.

I'm still wondering whether I should retract or not, and if yes, who should I vote...

edit: xed with Mith

[Thinlómien]

Lari -> phantom
Boro -> phantom
Mira -> Sally
Mith -> phantom
Kath -> Lommy
Sally -> Agan
Fea -> Boro
Gwath -> Boro
Nienna -> Fea
Shasta -> Boro.

I believe is the tally. Boro 3. phantom 3. Fea, Agan, Lommy, Sally 1.

After that
Lommy -> Shasta
Eomer -> Nienna
Boro -- phantom
Izzy -> Shasta
Inzil -> Nienna
Greenie -> Shasta
Mith -- phantom

So
Boro 3
Shasta 3
Nienna 2
Fea 1
Agan 1
Lommy 1
Sally 1
phantom 1

[the phantom]

as do many others who are throwing various hints around, mainly the phantom.
If you're talking about my opening post, those hints were actually accidental. At least the two that seem to go together were. Didn't even notice until Boro said something about it. I was just making random comments, and there are so many roles that random comments are bound to be more applicable than they were ever meant to be.

Anyway, I have no time to do anything (just like I figured would happen). I've been doing all my posts between sections of work, and I actually haven't read more than half of your posts closely. But starting tonight I'll have lots and lots of time, so no biggie.

For now, I vote, and then later tonight when I'm rereading I can slap my forehead for my terrible choice.

++Lari

For no other reason than her vote, which was not only for me (*gasp*), but she said she voted for me because she figured I wouldn't die. I could say several things about such motives, but I have to leave immediately. Good night.

[Thinlómien]

Wilwa, are we told in the Nightly narration if LRC is transformed into a wolf?

Because if we are, then I see much less point in lynching Shasta toDay.

edit: xed with tp

[Mithalwen]

I make it :

Shasta 3 (Lommie, Greenie and Issy)
Boro 3 (Shasta Gwath and Fea)
Nienna 2 (Inzi &Eomer)
Fea 1 (Nienna)
TP 1 (Lari)
Sally1 (Mira)
Agan1 (Sally)
Lommie 1(Quath)

Boro and I have used up our retraction for the day.

So with the H&G factor anyone with a vote could get lynched I think?


Dangerous and 20 minuites to go.

[Aganzir]

I think our problem is that we expect each other to smart and to agree on stuff and when our expectations are failed by us disagreeing or one of us doing something the other one thinks silly we start suspecting each other... :D
Yes that's true. And it probably wasn't so bad if we didn't agree so much most of the time.

I'm not quite sure if I like Mith's discussion of Shasta. It's somehow rather unsettling... like, I don't know, maybe it sounds a bit as if it was written by a baddie instead of a goodie?
The only thing I noticed about it was that it seemed to be written from a point of view that Shasta isn't a wolf. She mentioned the possibility once and then concentrated on other possibilities. I don't think it looked very suspicious in general though, and her reasoning in her next post is pretty good.

Garr I was planning to read through the thread before voting but I got distracted and there's no time anymore.

I could vote for Greenie because thus far she looks the most suspicious or Shasta, well, because of damage limitation - I don't find him especially suspicious (and no I really wasn't serious when talking about revenge voting earlier today! :p) but I'd prefer Green.

[wilwarin538]

They hopefully realise themselves that their chances of survival are better if they help us because they still count as innocents (or do they? Wilwa?) and the wolves want to kill each and every innocent.


Well, yes. Since they count as innocents they probably would want to get rid of the wolves. But if they end up in a situation where they could only survive by siding with wolves, then they'd probably do it. Lets say we end up with like 3 baddies and 3 innocents, and 2 of the innocents are a set of Lovers. Even though the baddies win, so do the Lovers, so they'd be perfectly happy letting this situation happen.

Deadline in 20 minutes.

[Mithalwen]

Good we agree! Now then :

Shasta 3 (Lommie, Greenie and Issy)
Boro 3 (Shasta Gwath and Fea)
Nienna 2 (Inzi &Eomer)
Fea 1 (Nienna)
TP 1 (Lari)
Sally1 (Mira)
Agan1 (Sally)
Lommie 1(Quath)
Lari 1 (Phantom).

If it comes to the crunch I may go for Shasta for reasons stated. Boro I am not sure about... he is too prone to stir things up on day one and often pays for it with his life....

[Aganzir]

Wilwa, are we told in the Nightly narration if LRC is transformed into a wolf?

Because if we are, then I see much less point in lynching Shasta toDay.
I think she said it isn't told directly but the narration may hint that way. I suppose we should be able to figure out if that's happened though.

Good point about lynching Shasta.

[Nerwen]

BBW will surely check out Shasta if he knows he isn't a baddie. There is a 1/5 chance of him being LRC. I am just saying that if we aren't more certain about another candidate, lynching Shasta is damage limitation. Assuming he is telling the truth. Ruthless but when it comes to it we haven't got much margin for error.

Yes, that's good reasoning (though pretty cold-blooded).

EDIT:X'd since Mith at #165.

[Thinlómien]

I'm not enthusiastic about lynching Boro but then again I'm wavering about my vote for Shasta... so I may switch to Nienna. But somehow I wouldn't have a very good feeling about it either... Argh, difficult.

edit: xedwAgNer

[Mithalwen]

[QUOTE=Aganzir;597313]
The only thing I noticed about it was that it seemed to be written from a point of view that Shasta isn't a wolf. She mentioned the possibility once and then concentrated on other possibilities. I don't think it looked very suspicious in general though, and her reasoning in her next post is pretty good.

QUOTE]


If Shasta were a wolf then it was an interesting opening gambit to make himself so conspicuous. And of course it makes lynching him a better idea!!!

[Boromir88]

Now I may actually have to vote for Shasta. Luckily, I don't care about being hypocritical.

1. He is an ordo. Maybe not the best option

2. He is an ordo who is LRC, and this would eliminate the chance of the wolves picking up an extra one.

3. He is a wolf who wanted to emphasize his ordinariness. I doubt this, but would love for it to be true.

I can't see Shasta being a gifted, I know he takes a lot more pride in his giftedness. When he was the ranger first and I faked revealed to get him lynched, he was pretty upset and thought he didn't do a good job. But that fact is, that he stopped one of our kills, and he even left a clue to his successful protection of Kath, I was just somehow more convincing. So, I can't see Shasta, being a gifted, posing as an ordo and making people suspect him. He might have changed, but from I remember he takes a lot of pride when being gifted.

The people I am suspicious of...

Gwath
Agan

And to some extent...

Mith
Greenie
Shasta

[Thinlómien]

--Shasta

++Nienna

Boro 3 (Shasta Gwath and Fea)
Nienna 3 (Inzi &Eomer & Lommy)
Shasta 2 Greenie and Issy)
Fea 1 (Nienna)
TP 1 (Lari)
Sally1 (Mira)
Agan1 (Sally)
Lommie 1(Quath)
Lari 1 (Phantom)

edit: xed with Boro

[wilwarin538]

I will not say directly if LRC is turned, and if I hint it would be quite small and perhaps not even the same Night it happens, but Days later. And really I only will if I think of a good way to hint it, which I may not. So, yes, it's possible for hinting, but probably not probable. So just stick with you not knowing if/when it happens. :rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

Yes, that's good reasoning (though pretty cold-blooded).

Yes I did say it was ruthless but I don't like the odds for the goodies on this game. Ideally we would get a wolf but with day ones being as they are... there are worse choices. Again I feel it would be clumsy for a gifted to say I am an ordo don't bother with me. And we know Shasta is a canny gifted...
Otherwise we take a chance on Lari or Nienna for their flip votes (pot kettle :o ).

[Boromir88]

Hmm...Nienna? What has she done?

[Thinlómien]

Hmm...Nienna? What has she done?I don't like her vote. And I felt like giving Shasta another Day - but it may have been stupid given what Wilwa just said. :rolleyes:

[Boromir88]

Please no flood voting at the end, my brain wouldn't be able to take it.

[Boromir88]

Oh hell...

++Nienna

This is going to end horribly, I can tell.

[McCaber]

Shop's just about to close. A strange day, to say the least.

As I want Boro to live at least another day, my vote has to be

++Nienna

Because I'm pretty sure I can see what he's trying to do with this.

EDIT: crossed with Boro

[Aganzir]

Sniff Boro you're evil! :(

++Shasta

I doubt he's a wolf but I'd rather see him die than Boro or Nienna, especially given the LRC factor.

[Mithalwen]

Yes her vote was interesting but what a band waggon!

Money where mouth is:

++Shasta.

[Aganzir]

So it's

Nienna 5 (Inzi &Eomer & Lommy & Boro & McC)
Shasta 4 (Greenie and Issy & Agan & Mith)
Boro 3 (Shasta Gwath and Fea)
Fea 1 (Nienna)
TP 1 (Lari)
Sally1 (Mira)
Agan1 (Sally)
Lommie 1(Quath)
Lari 1 (Phantom)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Oh hell...

++Nienna

This is going to end horribly, I can tell.

This is suspicious.

[Mithalwen]

Just Nerwen I think....

[Boromir88]

This is suspicious.

Look who decided to show up :rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

Any of the top 3 could die..... I reckon...

[Aganzir]

If she votes for Shasta he dies (unless Hansel & Gretel have done something that concerns the two bandwagons), otherwise it's Nienna.

edit: xed and forgot their power can reach also the third bandwagon

[Thinlómien]

But I predict she will miss the DL as always.... :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

:D

I've been watching when I should be working, but oh well. I'd like to explain exactly why you're suspicious tomorrow. We'll see.

[Mithalwen]

:rolleyes: any last minute retractions?

[wilwarin538]

It's done. Stop please. Give me a bit for narration.

No, I'm not telling you anything til then. :P

[wilwarin538]

The Day was now over. The sun was beginning to set, and darkness was starting to cover the land.

It had been quite the hectic Day. Accusations were thrown around, hateful things were said, hints were dropped, and arguments over the tastiness of beer were running rampid.

Finally, one by one, the villagers cast their votes. 3 suspects stood infront of them at this time. Nienna, Shasta and Boro. Which would it be?

The clock ticked and the sun sank deeper when the villagers finally decided. Nienna would be the one to kill.

The village lead her to a quiet little corner of the village. It was a place no one went to anymore, and the contraption sitting in the middle hadn't been used in centuries. Gwath stepped forward and removed the large blanket that covered it. Everyone let out a small gasp at the sight of the gallows that stood infront of them. Had they really resorted to such barbaric things?

Agan tested the rope as Eomer brought Nienna to the center of the death machine. The rope was then placed gently around her neck.

"Well, she's evil isn't she? We shouldn't all feel guilty if she's evil." Boro said, trying to sound forceful and confident.

"Yeah, he's right. We're doing what needs to be done to save our village!" McCaber agreed loudly, tossing his fist up in the air.

The others mimicked and yelled a collective "yeah!". As their confidence built up they became less and less fearful of taking the young bookkeepers life.

"You're making a mistake." Nienna whimpered softly. The village looked at her sternly.

"No we aren't." Mith said, as the phantom pulled the lever. There was a quiet snap. Nothing else.

The village left Eomer behind as they walked solemnly home. Nienna's innocent body could be seen swaying gently in the moonlight as he lowered his shovel from his shoulder once again.

The four baddies smiled to themselves as they took different routes to the Old Witch's home, slowly changing back to their real selves as the night grew darker.


The dead:
Nienna - bookkeeper - hung Day 1 - ordinary villager

The living:
Nerwen - bookmaker
Eomer - gravedigger
Lommy - minstrel
Aganzir - jailor, arena and lions included
Sally - some poor serving girl who has no money to buy sweets
McCaber - humble shopkeeper
Izzy - baker
Mira - apothocary
Gaurcrist - blacksmith
Shasta - fletcher
Gwath - drunk vagrant
Boro88 - the shruberrer
Kath - restaurant owner
Inziladun - shruberrer's apprentice
Fea - Storyteller
Greenie - school teacher
Lari - fortune teller
Mith - herbalist
the phantom - the crazy book liberator

Night 1 is now. I need names from all those who need to give me names. No posting on this thread please.

[wilwarin538]

The Baddies entered the Old Witch’s house in the same order that they had the previous Night.

“I’m glad to be back to my strong self, I hate being a weak human.” The Big Bad Wolf grumbled angrily while flexing all the digits on his large paws.

The Ugly Stepsister gave him a sharp glare. “I enjoy being human, maybe not this specific human, but at least human. It would have been far worse if I had to turn into a disgusting Wolf for 12 hours at a time.” She sat down opposite him, to the left of the Old Witch.

“I’m just glad I get to be taller than usual. It’s quite lovely.” Rumplie added happily, the only one actually smiling right now, as he sat across from the Old Witch. “You should all stop complaining; at least we’re all alive!”

“Exactly.” The Old Witch said, with a grin. “Now we must decide on someone to kill. Any preferences?”

Their discussion went on late into the Night until they finally decided on their victim.

“Let me take care of it this time.” The Big Bad Wolf said with a grin. The others agreed and they all left the small house and returned to their own to get a short, peaceful sleep.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

In another corner of town the wielder of the looking glass sat in front of his mirror once again. He thought long and hard about his choice and finally spoke the proper words. He then went to sleep with the new information written down safely in his journal, hoping that what he was doing would be enough to save the village.

The Huntsman sat on an old chair in the corner of his little house. He was quite troubled by the way the Day had ended, wishing he could have done something to prevent the loss of an innocent life. He went restlessly to sleep, his axe tucked back safely under his bed, wishing he could do something more to help them.

The Fairy Godmother now sat on the roof of the village’s church, eyeing the silhouette of the gallows in the distance. This was not supposed to be how it happened; she was supposed to be protecting the innocent, not participating in their murder. She looked in a different direction and rested her eyes on the home of the one she was protecting that Night, praying her efforts would be enough to save this village.

The night grew darker and darker, slowly drawing closer to dawn. The village slept quietly, but certainly not as peaceful as they had been the night before. They all hoped that this coming Day would end better then the last.

It is still Night 2. NO POSTING ON THIS THREAD PLEASE.

Mod-note: I do these mid-Night narrations just to further along the story, and to amuse myself.:smokin: (and hopefully you ;)) They contain no hints as to the Nightly activities, I promise.

[wilwarin538]

The sun rose on our little village to reveal a beautiful morning. Despite the fact that it was lovely out, the villagers that gathered in the town square felt a cold chill running down their spines. They were all grateful to be alive, but fearful of who would be missing. After a quick tally it became clear that Lommy was the one not among them.

The villagers gathered close together and walked solemnly to her little house, it was quite close to the town square so they didn’t have to go very far. It was small, but lovely, with a very large willow tree in the front lawn and many various flowers all about it. A curvy path led up to the small red door, well what used to be a small red door. Someone had smashed through the door and crumpled it to pieces.

The villagers stepped over the threshold one by one into the small entrance. To the left was a living room and to the right was a narrow staircase. Well, what used to be the narrow staircase. It had been trampled on quite fiercely and was all in pieces.

“Something quite large must have come through here.” Nerwen said, gaping at the gaps in the little house.

“Well, this happened at Night, so she must be in her bedroom.” Fea pointed out.

“Yes, well how do we get to it, her bedroom was up there.” Boro said, pointing to the top of the used-to-be-stairs.

“I have some rope back at my shop.” McCaber suggested helpfully, turning to leave.

“No need.” Inziladun called as he re-entered the house, carrying a large ladder. “Lommy used to love playing her music on the roof of her house; she used this to get up there.”

One by one they climbed the ladder up to the second floor of the house, Lommy’s bedroom was the first door on the right. They entered slowly.

It was not a pleasant sight that beheld them. Lommy was strewn all about the room. Well, what used to be Lommy anyway. Her instruments were also destroyed, in pieces everywhere. Nothing about it was out of the ordinary, for that had been what she was. Ordinary.

“It looks like she was mauled, by something quite large.” Nerwen said, elaborating on the statement she had previously made.

“Indeed.” A few agreed, nodding. Then, becoming too disgusted to bear it any longer, the villagers left and stepped back down the ladder and out of the house.

Eomer was left behind again, lowering his shovel as he gazed around the room. “How.......what......but......so many......uh, I need a new job.” He grumbled as he got to work.

The villagers regrouped in the town square and as they began to discuss Eomer rejoined them. They knew that the only way to stop the deaths would be to catch the perpetrators, and sadly that would result in more deaths.


The dead:
Nienna - bookkeeper - hung Day 1 - ordinary villager
Lommy – minstrel – mauled Night 2 – ordinary villager

The living:
Nerwen - bookmaker
Eomer - gravedigger
Aganzir - jailor, arena and lions included
Sally - some poor serving girl who has no money to buy sweets
McCaber - humble shopkeeper
Izzy - baker
Mira - apothocary
Gaurcrist - blacksmith
Shasta - fletcher
Gwath - drunk vagrant
Boro88 - the shruberrer
Kath - restaurant owner
Inziladun - shruberrer's apprentice
Fea - Storyteller
Greenie - school teacher
Lari - fortune teller
Mith - herbalist
the phantom - the crazy book liberator

Day 1 is now. You may discuss dear village. I need names from all those who need to give me them.

[Boromir88]

Interesting choice, Lommy definitely posted a lot...the baddies might have thought she was gifted? The keeper of the looking glass?

Also, this type of kill might show we don't have baddies who kill off the silent. Time to go through Lommy's posts.

I guess I should say I am suspicious of (pretty much in the correct order)...

Mith
Agan
the phantom
Gwath

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

What is it with you guys and killing Nienna while I'm asleep?

While I will happily admit that it makes my playing life much easier having Mira and Lari in England and Nienna dead, I still can't figure out why y'all keep killing her on Day Ones.

Is it a silent bow to my superiority? (Sorry, Nienna, don't hurt me, just kidding, I love you, please don't stab me in my sleep.)

And it's always after I go to bed. There's always somebody worthy of a good lynching on the chopping block, and then I wake up and Nienna was killed instead. What is this about? Someone please enlighten me.

Do I just know her so much better than everybody else, and therefore trust her logic and Day One statements much more?

Don't mind me, I'm just bothered that I haven't yet figured out a way to make Day Ones useful while they're happening.

[Inziladun]

Ach. Not a good start. I feel bad about Nienna. I didn't have a really strong case against her, but it was the best decision I could come up with. Maybe I should have gone with my number two choice, but it could have been worse, I guess. At least I didn't participate in the lynching of the Wielder or Fairy GM, and we can still count on their help.
Lommy was pretty visible, and she is obviously a respected player, so maybe that was why they singled her out.
Let's see what others have to say today. I wonder if Gaurcrist and some others who have been almost as scarce as he will rear their heads.

[Nerwen]

“Something quite large must have come through here.” Nerwen said, gaping at the gaps in the little house.


It looks like she was mauled, by something quite large.” Nerwen said, elaborating on the statement she had previously made.

I may as well reveal all now. I'm really... the Village Captain Obvious.

Well, our Moddess appears to think so, anyway.:rolleyes:

Okay... I'm going to look through Lommy's posts now. I know Boro said he will, but a second look can't hurt.

Will I find anything? (2-1)

EDIT: X'd since Boro.

[Nerwen]

Oh– while I'm still here, what's with this weird comment?

Oh hell...

++Nienna

This is going to end horribly, I can tell.

???And you still voted her?:confused:

[A Little Green]

I'm here. Well I don't like yesterDay's voting, I'll go now and read through it once again to see what exactly bothered me in there. At least the lynching of Nienna I didn't like at all. Was there any reason other than that she voted Fea rather jokingly? Her vote didn't look that good to me either but it's still quite a vague justification for a lynch...

[McCaber]

Well, I will say that as far as Day1 voting goes, it wasn't too bad. I got plenty of material from the votes, especially the early ones.

For the record, what Lommy thought about people is recorded here, (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=597272&postcount=136) but I don't think we'll get too much out of it. At this point, the wolves probably just want to cause confusion.

I will agree that Nienna was not the best candidate, but I thought she was a better choice than Boro.

So yeah. I'll be back in a few hours to see if anything interesting has happened.

[Boromir88]

Sorry, I started gawking and got distracted. The Lommy bit will come up soon, but first...

???And you still voted her? :confused:~Nerwen
I don't like last second random bandwagons, especially in a game with this many roles. Who knows who is what and who is attempting what.

I don't want to be lynched, that's what I know, and you don't want me to be lynched...whether you want to believe that or not that's your choice. For me, I had two options, Shasta or Nienna, Shasta who I pretty much called innocent and believed his plea, or Nienna who I formed no opinion of whatsoever. I decided to take a chance with the latter, even though Shasta might have ended up being a less dangerous pick...if he is an ordo.

What's interesting though about the Lommy choice, is they were not likely looking for little red cap. If Shasta is an ordo, and therefor is a chance of him being LRC, they might have wanted to try and pick up the extra player.

I'm here. Well I don't like yesterDay's voting, I'll go now and read through it once again to see what exactly bothered me in there. At least the lynching of Nienna I didn't like at all.~Greenie
I did it to save me, it's that simple. And I didn't realize I gave you such a headache when playing, my craziness is meant to amuse, if I knew I was being a real pain I would have stopped along time ago. You all need to make me aware of this stuff! :p

[A Little Green]

So. The Nienna-voters were Eomer, Inziladun, Lommie, Boro and McCaber. I'm basically looking at these people because the whole thing was a strange bandwagon risen from quite a little thing in the end and I want to see if any of the people involved look like baddies jumping on an easy bandwagon.

Eomer was the first to vote Nienna. I may retract, depending on how the day progresses. However, her vote smacks of surviving Day One without leaving any trail. Also, if I go ahead and vote now it might lead to more discussion, which is always useful.His vote doesn't stink of wolf to me.

The second one to vote Nienna was Inziladun.There are three at this time who stand out to me: Boromir, who has thrown things out all over the place to the point I don't know how to take him; the phantom, offering little of any use, while making vague threats about how long everyone is safe, and Nienna, who cast that 'just because' vote for Feanor.
It's the last that bothers me the most, I think, and it smacks of a nervous ne'er do well possibly trying to eliminate one who could be a threat to her nefarious plans.Of the sort-of joke-voters Nienna was the most discussed and in a way Inzy's vote was a very easy one. The tone of this, however, looks genuine to me, rather like a confused innocent who is not sure of what to do.

Lomzy, who was the third, obviously didn't have anything sinister in mind.

And then comes possibly the most quoted line in this game this far:Oh hell...

++Nienna

This is going to end horribly, I can tell.This can be justified simply as a vote to save himself, as the voting situation when he made his vote was as follows:

Boro 3
Shasta 3
Nienna 3
Fea 1
Agan 1
Lommy 1
Sally 1
phantom 1
Lari 1

He must have wanted to save himself and considered Nienna a better lynch candidate than Shasta. In that light his vote doesn't seem that sinister. Of course, a wolf would like to save himself just as well. Actually - it just popped into my mind that if both Boro and Shasta were wolves, it would explain why he chose Nienna over Shasta without question. Have to look into this...

The last Nienna-voter was McCaber.As I want Boro to live at least another day, my vote has to be

++Nienna

Because I'm pretty sure I can see what he's trying to do with this.He cross-posted with Boro's vote so he must have seen the voting situation the same way Boro did. I'd like McCaber to clarify some things about this. Firstly, why did you want Boro to survive at least another Day, and secondly, who is "he" and what is "this" in your last sentence? Sorry, the post just didn't make sense to me and it made me uneasy.


EDIT: x-ed with McCaber and Boro

[Nerwen]

Lommy

She made a lot of posts, but I can't find anything at all in most of them. (I'm looking especially for things that might have been taken as Seer-hints).

However, she did make a couple of lists:

Nerwen - funny and makes sense-ish, no reason to be at her throat yet
Eomer - his normal self ie bears watching ;) <--Could this have been taken as a Seer-hint by the wolves?
Lommy - to quote one of the greatest minstrels of our times, J.R.R. Tolkien: "immortal maiden Elven-wise"... except sadly not immortal! <-- Possibly taken as a gifted hint also?
Aganzir - is for once refraining from attacking me + makes good points = good
Sally - her instant has been an hour - suspicious
McCaber - making points and suspecting people, I quite like it
Izzy - nothing
Mira - nothing
Gaurcrist - nothing
Shasta - nothing
Gwath - nothing
Boro88 - amusing... but I'm really going to rip something or someone to pieces if he and phantom start a sort of clandestine co-operation again!
Kath - her normal self
Inziladun - getting hang of the game, actually playing, I like it
Fea - nothing
Nienna - making vague hints
Greenie - amusing but not much substance yet
Lari - fishy exactly in the way that attracts my Day1 votes magnetically (and usually is not proof of guilt.... *sigh*)
Mith - just made a fair point
the phantom - lack of substance and volume :p

Then there's this, discussing the votes:

I don't really like the votes so far. They seem terribly flimsily reasoned even for Day1 votes. And what's all this "I'll vote x 'cos she won't get angry"?!

The first vote was Mira for Sally for apparently no reason even though there were already two pages of posting. I don't understand how come she wasn't able to find anything even slightly suspicious in that all.

The second one was Mith for phantom. Looks like she was just having a bad day and although that isn't a reasonable reason to vote someone, I'll let it pass. Or maybe she was just joking. *sigh*

Then, there was Kath for me. Guess what? I probably like this vote the best of those given so far. She voted less than ten minutes after Mira but unlike her, she was able to make a reasonable vote based on a (minor) suspicious thing. Exactly the thing I expect people to do on Day1. Who cares if the reason to suspect is a small one? It's still better than making a total shot in the dark!

I don't get Boro's behaviour but I think people are too quick to jump on it. It could have been just a joke. *shrugs* But actually the announcement that he's getting serious and we should ignore everything he said in the first half of the Day is what puzzles and worries me the most...

Quite frankly I don't like tp trying to hint being this and that. It could be a scheme to protect the village but it also could be a scheme to help the baddies or just him having fun, both of which do not sound very good to me.

Okay, back to discuss votes. Sally voted Agan based on a weird feeling and also used the infamous "she won't get mad at me" argument. I think this vote is ok, there's nothing bad in gut-feeling votes (except that they don't really reveal much of the voter).

Fea voted Boro next. I get a very bad feeling from this vote. It looks like a carefully planned bandwagon-starter against a dangerous player or maybe even a suspected gifted.

Gwathagor followed suit, but like he reminded, he mentioned the reason to vote Boro first and his vote looks rather ok, a lot less sinister than Fea's.

Nienna voted Fea just because "it's always a good idea to lynch Fea". If she's not going to come back and retract I'm going to seriously consider voting her. There were more then three pages of posting when she voted and she couldn't think of any more reasonable vote than voting her friend jokingly!

I don't like Shasta's vote either. Although it's (at least partly) a joke/grudge vote, I don't like it at all that he joins the predominant bandwagon so carelessly. Wolves are the only ones who can afford carelessness like that.

And another list: ("Good" and "Okay" categories ommitted.)

Bad
Mira - like I just said, I don't like her vote.
Shasta - careless like a wolf (see my post discussing votes).
Fea - evil schemer-mastermind.
Nienna - trying to get away with a chit-chatty no trail vote? Or am I just overinterpreting it merely because I don't like it?
the phantom - I don't like the way he throws around various hints and is having ah so much fun with his role.

I can't get much out of this... except that she expressed suspicion of Shasta, Lari, tp and Fea more than once. The comment on Fea just above stands out because she's listed her simply as "evil schemer mastermind", whereas the other "bad" names have reasons for being there... but Lommy went on to vote Nienna for voting Fea. She also specifically used "wolf" in relation to Shasta twice, and voted him... but then switched. (Also, she'd previous had "nothing" to say about both Shasta and Fea.)


I must say I like Boro a lot more now that he has started taking the game seriously. :D He gives me the solid good innocent-Boro vibes but I'm far from sure so I'm still watching the situation. Well it may be simply that he stopped scheming...

Could the wolves have thought they were lovers who had just found each other? Or could the line "watching the situation" have been taken as a Seer-hint? (i.e. that she would dream him but hadn't yet.)

Says of Mith:

I'm not quite sure if I like Mith's discussion of Shasta. It's somehow rather unsettling... like, I don't know, maybe it sounds a bit as if it was written by a baddie instead of a goodie?

So...I don't know. Basically, she expressed suspicion of quite a few people, and did some things that might have looked gifted-ish (depending on who the wolves are) but overall it tends to cancel out e.g., her talking about Shasta as wolf-like, but then switching her vote to Nienna (known innocent)... would that have looked Seerish to a Wolftanis Althreduin? I doubt it.

EDIT: X'd since my last post.
EDIT2:name left out.

[A Little Green]

I did it to save me, it's that simple. And I didn't realize I gave you such a headache when playing, my craziness is meant to amuse, if I knew I was being a real pain I would have stopped along time ago. You all need to make me aware of this stuff! Don't worry, it's yesterDay's voting in general rather than your vote (or let alone your playing style) that is causing me a headache. :D

[Boromir88]

I really wish Kath would get here with the summary posts, I rely so much on that, instead of scrolling through pages of stuff. You know if she was evil she could twist the summary to her whim, because I do not double check any of it. I wonder, does everyone else not double check her summary posts?

Nerwen - funny and makes sense-ish, no reason to be at her throat yet
Eomer - his normal self ie bears watching
Lommy - to quote one of the greatest minstrels of our times, J.R.R. Tolkien: "immortal maiden Elven-wise"... except sadly not immortal!
Aganzir - is for once refraining from attacking me + makes good points = good
Sally - her instant has been an hour - suspicious
McCaber - making points and suspecting people, I quite like it
Izzy - nothing
Mira - nothing
Gaurcrist - nothing
Shasta - nothing
Gwath - nothing
Boro88 - amusing... but I'm really going to rip something or someone to pieces if he and phantom start a sort of clandestine co-operation again!
Kath - her normal self
Inziladun - getting hang of the game, actually playing, I like it
Fea - nothing
Nienna - making vague hints
Greenie - amusing but not much substance yet
Lari - fishy exactly in the way that attracts my Day1 votes magnetically (and usually is not proof of guilt.... *sigh*)
Mith - just made a fair point
the phantom - lack of substance and volume

There is nothing on a lot of people, but this was still early in the game, and of course all those "nothings" had not posted.

She like's Nerwen and me for being amusing. She also thinks Greenie is amusing but lacks substance. She likes Agan, McCaber and Zil for their approaches to the game so far.

Thinks sally is suspicious for her appearance. Says need to watch Eomer and doesn't like Lari's vote, and thinks phantom lacks substance and volume.

I can't see any baddie being tipped off that Lommy is the seer here. She mentions a lot of people. I haven't played enough with Lari quite yet, the one time I was the cobbler she was a super wolf. Eomer and phantom are far too composed to see any suspicion against them as being an automatic seer hint.

It is interesting what she said about herself however...maybe they believed Lommy was tipping off her role? "immortal maiden elven wise." If she was a maiden, or trying to look like one, that would tip off the robber bridegroom too.

In post 46 she tells Greenie to just ingore tp and me, because we were most likely just joking. tp said he was, and I can believe that, I thought he was sincerely dropping hints about his role everywhere.

136 is her next listing and the list is pretty evenly spread out. I guess the one thing that sticks out is in the evil list, while having a reason for almost everyone she calls Fea the "evil schemer-mastermind." If they thought they were getting the seer, this looks bad for anyone on the list, particularly Fea.

But then she defends my behavior while throwing a supicion at tp.
Well hishints are really rather boldly out there so it makes me wonder, as do many others who are throwing various hints around, mainly the phantom. This game is crazy.~post 161

I've personally witness tp in action as a wolf, and no matter what he likes to get the seer first. If the consistent Lommy against tp suspicion was tipping him off, he would kill her right off the bat.

The problem is I don't know if Lommy was killed because she was trying to look like the seer, or a lover. Since she turned out an ordo, I think it was clear that she was trying to fake some role to serve as protection. It would be easier to impersonate a lover, than the seer, and with the way she defended me from my attackers (thank you dear :) ), called herself a maiden, and generally defended me throughout the day. Plus, I was bluntly trying to hint at being a lover myself through most of the day, maybe they thought Lommy and I were lovers and were trying to take out two with one? But then why not me, who was giving more blatant hints?

Edit: crossed with Nerwen and Greenie

[Boromir88]

I'm on the fence about tp, I get what he was doing in saying that I obviously had a female role. Or at least I think so, but will wait for him to confirm it. He figured I was faking the lover status, and by emphasizing that I obviously had the female role, he was hoping to get the robber bridegroom to come after me. If so, then he has proven (at least to me) his innocence, but the problem I have is misreading tp's dizzling intellect. Plus, he could actually be a wolf, who believed my lover crap yesterday and is just waiting to take out two-in-one.

I have no good reason to feel bad about Mith, other than her posting yesterday. The frustrated, stressed out Mith, then come back recomposed is a classic frustrated baddie Mith. Also, she never asked if I didn't want to be lynched yesterday. I was used to that innocent Mith treatment. :( Of course people adapt and change to the situation and people's expectations, or maybe I haven't done a good enough job proving her I am innocent yet, or maybe she was just genuinely angry at me yesterday. Who knows? But just her overall posting yesterday is why I am suspicious of her today.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, so I've not read all the way through the thread but....


Seriously? Nienna? Why, people? Why?



Back soon. Doing a friend a favor and then I'm going to catch up over here, so I'll be back with more thoughts asap. And I'll also do a vote tally, because I want to see how the poor kid ended up deaded while I was gone.

[the phantom]

I'm here, and finishing my read-through. I've read everyone's posts except Boro and Mith, so when I'm done with them I'll post a little something. But first I'm going to post the voting and give thoughts on that.

As far as Lommy dying- not bad. Not that I don't enjoy her company, but that's as good a result as we could hope for (besides a Ranger save). After my read of her last night I was leaning innocent for her, but certainly not Gifted. She seemed peppy and fun at times, but not nervous or jumpy. She also seemed like she had the village's interests in mind, but didn't strike me as someone with heavy responsibility weighing her down.

Anyway, Boro, your first instinct was right. I wouldn't have killed her. There were two or perhaps three villagers who looked giftedish after my readthrough and they would've been the first to go. Though I think Seer hunting would've been out of the question, for I believe there was very little to go on.

Back in a bit.

edit: x-post since Boro

[the phantom]

Lari ++tp
Boro ++tp (2)
Mira ++Sally
Mith ++tp (3)
Kath ++Lommy
Sally ++Agan
Fea ++Boro
Gwath ++Boro (2)
Nienna ++Fea
Shasta ++Boro (3)
Lommy ++Shasta
Eomer ++Nienna
Boro --tp (2)
Izzy ++Shasta (2)
Inzil ++Nienna (2)
Green ++Shasta (3)
Mith --tp (1)
tp ++Lari
Lommy --Shasta (2)
Lommy ++Nienna (3)
Boro ++Nienna (4)
McCaber ++Nienna (5)
Agan ++Shasta (3)
Mith ++Shasta (4)

Thoughts:

Lari's vote is weird, because she states she voted for me hoping that I won't be lynched. Along the same lines is Sally, who votes Agan because "she won't mind" and Mira, who votes for Sally because "she won't hurt me back". Those are kind of weird in my mind.

Supposing Boro is innocent, then perhaps Gwath or Shasta could be baddies sending another innocent into a tie for the lead.

Supposing Shasta is innocent, Izzy doesn't look great for hopping on the bandwagon. Especially if it was to save a guilty Boro.

If both Boro and Shasta are innocent, then perhaps Inzil doesn't look so good for elevating a fourth innocent to multi-vote status.

And of course the oft quoted Boro vote does sound weird. Why so confident about a bad result, and if so, why not give Shasta a vote? But seeing as Boro had three votes himself, I am more than willing to let that comment go, for I can testify to the fact that when you are under the gun, all you can think about is padding the margin of the leader, no matter how innocent you think they may be.

Agan and Mith tried to do in Shasta there at the end, and seeing as they had no reason to save Nienna (from a baddie saving a baddie perspective) their votes look rather good.

Anyway, there's more I could say, but I really shouldn't at this point.

Now, I'm off to try and read Boro and Mith from Day 1.

[A Little Green]

And of course the oft quoted Boro vote does sound weird. Why so confident about a bad result, and if so, why not give Shasta a vote? But seeing as Boro had three votes himself, I am more than willing to let that comment go, for I can testify to the fact that when you are under the gun, all you can think about is padding the margin of the leader, no matter how innocent you think they may be.The thing that bothers me in Boro's vote is that when he voted there was Nienna, Shasta and himself all with three votes. Nienna was no more on the lead than Shasta was. Boro's vote for Nienna seems as if he was very reluctant to do it and as if he had no choice when he actually did have. So, as I'm wary of Shasta already, I wonder if they could be fellows and thus Boro was working to save his fellow's skin in addition to his own. Or then an innocent Boro voted the one he thought was less bad out of two bad possibilities. Dunno what to think, but this certainly puzzles me.

[the phantom]

The thing that bothers me in Boro's vote is that when he voted there was Nienna, Shasta and himself all with three votes. Nienna was no more on the lead than Shasta was.
If that was the case then I think my tally is wrong. I had Nienna at three and Shasta only at two when Boro voted.

[Mithalwen]

Boromir, I haven't decided about you at all but if I came back composed it was due to a night's sleep and a dose of evening primrose oil. Go figure.

[Nerwen]

I have no good reason to feel bad about Mith, other than her posting yesterday. The frustrated, stressed out Mith, then come back recomposed is a classic frustrated baddie Mith. Also, she never asked if I didn't want to be lynched yesterday. I was used to that innocent Mith treatment. :( Of course people adapt and change to the situation and people's expectations, or maybe I haven't done a good enough job proving her I am innocent yet, or maybe she was just genuinely angry at me yesterday. Who knows? But just her overall posting yesterday is why I am suspicious of her today.

Yes, but there's the Shasta question. If Mith's a wolf and he's her fellow, I don't see why she'd be so hot to Fenris him... and if she's a wolf and he's not, she tried hard hard to get someone lynched who had just announced he was an ordo, and thus a Little Red Cap candidate.

I mean, she could have done either of those things just to look innocent, of course, but I certainly wouldn't want to bet on it.

EDIT"X'd since tp at #217,

[Kath]

Hey all I am around! Have been trying to sort out this meet with Lari and Mira 'cause thanks to the 'Downs and it's decision not to send me emails things got confused. By the way, those in the know, what are the real names of those two? It would be useful to know by tomorrow! :D

Anyhoo, hi. Am here, will be reading.

[Boromir88]

If that was the case then I think my tally is wrong. I had Nienna at three and Shasta only at two when Boro voted.~the phantom
Nope, your tally is correct. It was me - 3, Nienna - 3, Shasta - 2 when I voted.

I did think about creating a 3 way tie to see how the last voters went, but was reminded that we have Hansel and Gretel who can really muddy up the voting tallies. Putting Nienna in the lead would then give me the best shot of surviving.

McCaber and I cross voted, so when he voted he was definitely wanting to save me. He might have done it to throw me off a baddie's trail, but despite not posting that much, he has always been a good judge of character. So, that vote looks innocent to me. Also, I don't know, I just think wolf McCaber would jump at the chance to be able to lynch me, he doesn't come off as the Agan buttering up type. ;)

See I disagree with you about Mith and Agan's votes, simply because of the Hansel and Gretel factor. Of course, Nienna turned up innocent, but with the finally tally being.

Nienna: 5
Shasta: 4
Me: 3

Any one of us could have ended up lynched. So, I don't think there votes look like a concerted effort to save anyone, but could be a way to push 3 people to a chance to be lynched because of Hansel and Gretel. It really looks more like votes where they didn't care who ended up getting it, and also Nerwen still had to vote. It might be known that her internet connection gives her problems, but who knew she without question she wasn't there?

Edit: crossed with Nerwen and Kath

[Kath]

Right, let us have a look at Lommy. I'm thinking safe kill as I don't recall her coming to many conclusions yesterDay but it's worth checking. Speaking of which, haha Boro! Sadly I can't get away with skewing the analysis when evil, indeed doing that is how I get caught. :(

Lommy:
Banter but starting the loud/quiet debate. Heh, maybe those who killed her just wanted to knock that on the head before it started! Then the whole Lari's vote thing which did get resolved in the end. Did say would avoid Gaurcrist and Inzil for that Day because it was their first game, but that after that she'd go after them. To be honest, unless both those two are wolves and they sent the kill in fear I doubt that has much to do with anything.

List: Nerwen, Agan, McCaber, Inzil and Mith seem to be on her good list. Eomer, sally, Nienna and Lari on her not so good list. Early suspicion of Nienna there.

Why was scheme bolded? Don't think it's important I just wondered.

Asks about the thing between phantom and Nienna. Well that's interesting. Yes it could be just role banter but hey what a way to cover wolvish communication!

Talks about the votes. Not happy with them. Doesn't like Mira's (no reason), Fea's (deliberately bandwaggoning), Shasta's (joining bandwagon) or Nienna's (joke). It is odd how much emphasis she puts on Nienna's vote in comparison to the others. I suspect though that this makes a safe kill even more likely as, having seen the results of the lynch, the wolves weren't thinking she was the Seer after this. See, Eomer came up with the same facts, but in his case Nienna didn't blare out.

Mira, Shasta, Nienna, Fea, phantom on her bad list.

Now here's something. From the post before I'd have guessed that Lommy would vote Nienna, then suddenly she has a flip-flop and ends up voting Shasta. Eomer seems to cross-post a bit with his vote for Nienna and I wonder whether he was going for a safe position in a bandwagon there.

Did later switch back to Nienna but seemed to regret it.

So yeah, safe kill by the looks of it. The Eomer thing is interesting though.

[Inziladun]

As far as Lommy dying- not bad. Not that I don't enjoy her company, but that's as good a result as we could hope for (besides a Ranger save). After my read of her last night I was leaning innocent for her, but certainly not Gifted. She seemed peppy and fun at times, but not nervous or jumpy. She also seemed like she had the village's interests in mind, but didn't strike me as someone with heavy responsibility weighing her down.

It seems a bit odd to me that Lommy was taken out the Night after voting for Nienna, since she didn't show any particular clues that should have made her an obvious target. I guess it's coincidence though, cos otherwise it would mean some sort of complex scheme is in play, and at the moment that's just too much to try and puzzle out.

[Mithalwen]

Boro you aren't making sense. If I were a wolf why would I have drawn attention to the Hansel and Gretel factor which everyone else seemed to have forgotten? Why would I have draw attention to the fact that Shasta had made himself a bit of a liability to the Village? If I were a wolf I woudl have wanted any other lynched and hoped that Shasta was Little Red Cap.

And on that subject since Nienna and Lommie were ordos that means Shasta, if he is telling the truth has a one in three chance of being Little Red Cap. Uneasy lies the head that wears the Red Riding Hood....

[the phantom]

Okay, here's a list. As usual, I will most definitely not be saying everything that I think about people, for I am leaning gifted in a couple places and lover in another, and it wouldn't do to let the baddies know.

Agan- She comes across as good right from the start. She seems genuinely concerned about the outcome and seems to be playing damage control with her vote, which I can understand. Maybe not innocent, but doing a great job of looking it thus far, and thus should be rewarded with safe passage through the day.
Boro88- I got nothing useful from my read-through of him. A couple of his posts were weird, which probably means he's up to a few schemes, but I don't have the time to guess at them. I'm not looking to lynch him, but I certainly can't say I feel comfortable with him at this point.
Eomer- I'd like to hear more from him. Undecided.
Fea- Another quiet one. Good vote reasoning. But she could do that anyway.
Gaurcrist- What the heck? If he's another no-show today then he dies. What should we do about that?
Green- I won't be voting for her. No bad vibes.
Gwath- In between.
Inzil- Nothing ringing alarms yet. Seems to make sense, so I'd like to hear more from him today.
Izzy- I don't like a couple of her posts. In particular I jotted down that I didn't like the way she left questions hanging in 140.
Kath- Too early to tell. I need another day.
Lari- How much is she going to be around even?
McCaber- I like his play. He's either good or faking it well thus far, and should be rewarded.
Mira- I don't like her vote, and the way she "notes the hostility" between Mith and I is weird.
Mith- Too soon to tell. She hasn't shown her hand much at all.
Nerwen- A couple good points and entertaining to boot. Doesn't mean she's innocent, but I'm not wanting to vote her right now.
Sally- Weird vote, and then really quiet. Let's see more, lass.
Shasta- I dunno. Just dunno. Who would do that Ordo reveal? A good Shasta or a bad? And I'm not so much of a fan of his voting consistency. It's too easy. I need another day to decide on him.
the phantom- Prince Philip (aka Secret Co-Mod with Wilwa)

[Boromir88]

Yes, but there's the Shasta question. If Mith's a wolf and he's her fellow, I don't see why she'd be so hot to Fenris him... and if she's a wolf and he's not, she tried hard hard to get someone lynched who had just announced he was an ordo, and thus a Little Red Cap candidate.~Nerwen
But who said Shasta was a wolf? I have no reason to doubt his ordo claim, and even though he was not chosen last night, I still don't. It could be that they want to push for his lynching today. Even if Shasta is LRC what benefit would it be for the wolves to night kill him and turn him, now that the talk swirled around him that he really could be LRC? If he is, and is turned, he will be lynched immediately...so might as well keep him around as an easy lynch choice, since he already claimed to be an ordo, but people will grow more and more suspicious if he doesn't wind up night killed. I might have just talked myself in circles, but maybe you can make sense of that.

Plus it is Agan's and Mith's jump on his ordo claim that is suspicious. I mean they both seemed to over-react. I can see reason in people questioning his claim, but both stressed "Woah Shasta made an ordo claim! Watch the sneaky wolf trying to get us off his tail!"

Mith immediately jumps on it within a span of 11 minutes:
Err Shasta, if you are an innocent, is that really the most helpful thing you could post? Not going to be any Captain Oates acts from you then are there?~post 71
But she votes for Shasta not because of a real belief he is a wolf, but to play cautious and if he is an ordo than he could be LRC. But the problem occurs when she continues to go after him, because his reveal was entirely unhelpful and therefor it makes him look like a wolf.

Also I want to look at Shasta again. His reveal was so spectacularly unhelpful as an opening gambit I wonder if it is genuine. If he is not a wolf then BBW may well take a punt.... since they have nothing to lose. From the baddies perspective he is either a plain ordo with a 20% chance of being LRC or he is a gifted bluffing.

From the goodies (goody goody gum gum) perspective he has made himself vulnerable and a liability. Not quite sure that it deserves a preemptive lynch - though it is tempting. And he could be that gifted bluffing...~152

BBW will surely check out Shasta if he knows he isn't a baddie. There is a 1/5 chance of him being LRC. I am just saying that if we aren't more certain about another candidate, lynching Shasta is damage limitation. Assuming he is telling the truth. Ruthless but when it comes to it we haven't got much margin for error.~163
The bolded part is interesting, because there is an interesting change from Shasta being a wolf, falsely claiming ordinariness, to now making a pretty assured statement that there is a 1/5 chance he is LRC, so it would be good to lynch him if there aren't other choices.

If Shasta were a wolf then it was an interesting opening gambit to make himself so conspicuous. And of course it makes lynching him a better idea!!!~177
Then back to Shasta's claim that make him look like a wolf and it would be good to lynch him.
And Agan in post 80:
Basically that's not a good thing to say for an ordo since it narrows down the field of possible Red Caps and therefore makes it easier for the Big Bad Wolf to guess her identity.
Agan's reaction looks a little better, because it is not an over-reaction, just a scolding that it wasn't helpful. I guess it's the vote for him that worries me.

Where with Mith, it was pretty consistent pushing towards Shasta. She did get us thinking about LRC and Hansel and Gretel, but that doesn't make her look innocent in anyway, just helpful, and wolves can be definitely be helpful. Other than that, her day was filled with Shasta, and going back and fourth on his ordo claim.

Glad I was able to warm up, I feel like I am really hitting my stride after accumulating some rust.

Edit: crossed with a lot of people and really don't want to see who it all was with

[Boromir88]

Boro you aren't making sense.~Mith
But that is when I do my best work. It is when I am making sense and excellently analyzing seer posts when you have to watch out for me. ;)

[Mithalwen]

Hhmph. Is anyone out there?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Side note: I meant to post this two hours ago, but had to run off to organize my horribly complicated life.

---

Kath-

Lari is Jenny, Mira is Ashley.

Have fun!

---

Perhaps Lommy was a safe kill. She didn't really stand out, at least not to me, though to be fair, I wasn't really around to notice much. I know you guys have mentioned it, but I thought I'd add my thoughts on that.

Here's what's going on in my head: the bad guys don't all have the same skill set/needs. The wolf is searching for Red, Rumplie is trying to avoid the attention of the chick whose baby xe stole, and they're all, as far as I can remember, trying to avoid being dreamed (duh) or guessed by a Lover.

And so I'm thinking that Lommy was killed less because she stood out - there are too many people that the bad guys *need* to kill - and more because they need to kill a bunch of people and may as well not leave a trail.

Now if the baddies are playing hard to get, it's not necessarily a sign that they have any particular personality. Just that they're capable of laying low.

I don't want to replace Nerwen ;) as Captain Obvious but the bad guys want the Lovers around just as much as the village does: neither side wins if the Lovers survive, right? So maybe the wolves though Lom was half a Lover pair? That's who I'd have gone after if I was a bad guy- someone I thought was a standalone enemy. That or the seer. I mean, the seer is obviously a major target, but in this game, with so many roles, I'd be hard pressed to figure out as a wolf who I'd kill first, and that's sad since my typical playing strategy is to think "What would the wolves do?"

Sorry, my brain just shut off. Too much going on. I need to finish getting ready for my last big college shebang (at least the last one I actually care about), and that requires things like lip color, heels, and carefully chosen undergarments. :eek:

I'll be back later, hopefully with a functional mind.

[Mirandir]

Here and reading.

[Lariren Shadow]

Really Nienna? Isn't that the second time she has been killed on Day 1? Poor Nienna.
:(
First some replies:

phantom: because i wasn't going to be around for pretty much all of the Day. As I stated. On the admin thread. And I had to vote for someone and I was confident that the villiage would not lynch you Day 1. Hence my vote. And for how much I'm going to be around SPONTANIOUS LONDON TRIP HAPPENED SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE AROUND MUCH CAUSE I'M IN LONDON AND NOT NEAR A COMPUTER LIKE MIRA. Sorry...I had a good day today.

And I had a reply to Lommy...but then she died so clearly that's not going to work out. And she was the one that I was most suspicious of yesterDay.

Other than Lommy, who is now dead, I didn't like how Boro was sounding yesterDay and he's still sounding that way toDay. Its just I feeling I get when I read his posts.

Mith isn't looking too good to me either but then again all that there is a few suspicions for Day 1. I just don't like how she sounds either.

Bah this is really not helping with my whole I should vote soon.

Hey all I am around! Have been trying to sort out this meet with Lari and Mira 'cause thanks to the 'Downs and it's decision not to send me emails things got confused. By the way, those in the know, what are the real names of those two? It would be useful to know by tomorrow! :D

Anyhoo, hi. Am here, will be reading.

Yes I'm Jenny and Mira is Ashley. And tomorrow. Yes.

[Mirandir]

Nienna? Really guys? Why? At this rate I'm never going to get to play a proper game with her... :rolleyes:

So Lommy. Well, my first thought (and this is based completely on past games) was that Niennawolf had killed her in retaliation for not liking her playing style or something to that effect. Then I remembered that Nienna was dead before Lommy. And she was an ordo. So fail on my part on both counts.

I would go through and analyze what Lommy said before she died, but that has apparently already been done. So instead, I will work on a suspicion list. Be back shortly.

[Kath]

I would go through and analyze what Lommy said before she died, but that has apparently already been done.
Doesn't mean you're not allowed to do it either! Don't fall in to the trap of believing what everyone else says. :D

I am going to have to vote early again toDay, as in by about midnight my time. I'll be around for a while though. Have a look at the Nienna voters and see what's been going on toDay.

[Lariren Shadow]

Voting early again because I won't have internet access again for awhile and am sleepy.

++Boro

I don't like the way he sounds as of right now.

[Mithalwen]

Maybe the London players should go here!

http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/eventseducation/musicperform/18495.htm

[Mirandir]

Sally - Was surpringly unvocal (is that even a word?) yesterDay, has only posted once today. She did say she was having internet issues, though, so she's okay for the time being.

Mira - Well, ya know. Or maybe you don't. It's certainly not my job to tell you. :p

Gaurcrist - Hasn't made an appearance that I've seen thus far.

Boro88 - I was fairly certain I was going to end up Night killed because of the suspicion surrounding Boro and myself yesterDay what with the hinting that he was the cobbler and I was a wolf or vice versa. However, the fact that I wasn't killed makes me even more suspicious. Not necessarily of him, but in general.

Kath - Epic failed at meeting us so we should lynch her. =P Just kidding. Nothing really on her.

Fea - Nobody's said that Fea looks suspicious yet. That generally means that she's evil. It's always when no one thinks she's suspicious that she's really evil and ends up fooling us all right until the end.

Mith - Is apparently a hormonal woman. I won't hold that against her for now, but if such behavior continues beyond toDay I'll be looking into it.

the phantom - Is phantom. I can never get a read on him.

Analysis of others might come later when I'm not trying to do three other things at one time.

[Mirandir]

Maybe the London players should go here!

http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/eventseducation/musicperform/18495.htm

I was at the Tate Modern yesterday too! Gah can't believe I missed it! :(

[Gaurcrist]

In my opinion, there are two people who are acting quite strange, ever since the beginning. There are A Little Green and Boromir. I have one of those feelings in my gut about Boro, and he seems to be the most suspicious. Plus, I don't like his avatar. So, I will heed the teachings of Ocham's razor and choose Boromir.

++Boromir88

[Mithalwen]

Mira I am fine today now that Phantom and Boro aren't being tiresome... at least I thought I was..... Well Boro is being fairly tiresome and the fact that he is fixated on me rather than say on someone who got an ordo killed :rolleyes: might be annoying.

At the risk of sounding equally monomanic... Shasta.... either lying or 1/3 chance of being LRC. If LRC I'd bet the ranch he has been turned.

Love to hear what he has to say...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

So the wolves didn't go for Shasta, eh? I thought they might have. Interesting... well? Did you honestly think I'd go a game without suspecting you, sir? :p

So Boromir's "oft-quoted" vote and its meaning: I realised soon after that the stakes were different there, seeing how you had a number of votes yourself. Yeah, I didn't pay too much attention to the danger you were in. I'm still a bit uncomfortable with how you said it, but: saving yourself, that's ok with me.

Actually phantom, I don't think you want to hear much more from me. There are far too many players here muddying the waters. It might be best to just sit back, let a few folk die, and take it from there. We'll have a lot of info to work with two days hence.

Kidding... (sort of).

As to Nienna's death: she shouldn't have made that horrible vote. :p

As to the wolves killing Lommy, I reckon they just tried to get lucky and struck for a famous name. Besides, she's played in far too many Werewolf games - it's not like she'll be hurt by being the First Wolf Feast. Of course there could be info in her posts, but in a village this big I don't think the wolves are looking for explicit Seer messages.

[Mithalwen]

I was at the Tate Modern yesterday too! Gah can't believe I missed it! :(

To be fair I htink it starts tomorrow for the long bank holiday weekend. Anyway other than the subject it is OT so ... but I hope you are having a lovely time.. the wather is being kind at least .... :D

[Aganzir]

Grrr you go and kill Lommy right when I finally started getting along with her!

I just spent some hours studying English linguistics (to Mordor with them) with her and she was really angry with complementary word pairs the book talked about: "@%¤! Complementaries don't exist! A zombie is neither dead nor alive!"
Given her situation, I can understand her wrath. ;)

I don't think she looked particularly like a gifted, although her comment about Fea being an evil scheming mastermind could be interpreted as seerish if Fea is a baddie. Nerwen had a good point about her voting Nienna because of that Fea vote, though.
However I think it's possible they thought she was a lover - immortal maiden elven-wise refers to Lúthien. I wouldn't have expected them to go after possible lovers this early, though. She didn't seem to be a particular threat to anyone, either.

I may as well reveal all now. I'm really... the Village Captain Obvious.
That comment cracked me up pretty badly. :D

At this point, the wolves probably just want to cause confusion.
Why? With so many special roles around, I'd imagine they want to get early rid of as many of them as possible. It looks like you were nicely suggesting we can read nothing from Lommy's death because there was no reason the wolves killed her.

What's interesting though about the Lommy choice, is they were not likely looking for little red cap. If Shasta is an ordo, and therefor is a chance of him being LRC, they might have wanted to try and pick up the extra player.
How does Lommy's death mean they weren't? Reddie is not a normal cursed who has to be killed in order to change sides, it's enough that the BBW guesses her. If Shasta isn't a wolf himself the BBW could have guessed him and made him a member of their team and we have no way of knowing about it.

I second Greenie's questions to Cab.

Could the wolves have thought they were lovers who had just found each other? Or could the line "watching the situation" have been taken as a Seer-hint?
That sounds a bit far-fetched to me. If they thought Lommy and Boro were lovers, why didn't they kill Boro who was dropping much more hints?
Hmm do the lovers unite as soon as the one guesses the other or only at the beginning of a day/night?

I know I'm being hypocritical as I always suspect people based on how they phrase things and such, but I don't think Boro's suspicion of Mith is very good. To me her posting didn't look very evil, but even if it had, her actions speak quite strongly for her innocence. I just can't see a baddie bringing up the points she did, eg those about Shasta. Yes maybe she might in order to look good, but if she's a wolf and Shasta isn't, lynching a possible Reddie would do more harm than good to her. Unless the wolves have found Reddie already on night 1...
Okay you have a point in that wolf/ordo-LRC/wolf thing though.

the Agan buttering up type.
Have I ever told you you're a very good player regardless of whatever role you happen to have? Also, your sig is amusing and your dog cute. ;)

It really looks more like votes where they didn't care who ended up getting it
To be honest I didn't remember Hansel & Gretel when I voted. Or, I remembered their existence, but it wasn't on the top of my mind that they could influence the effect of my vote. I don't like the roles because they complicate things too much and I hate the thought of having to weigh all the things my vote can cause to happen before voting. That's not what my brain is best at doing.

And on that subject since Nienna and Lommie were ordos that means Shasta, if he is telling the truth has a one in three chance of being Little Red Cap
No, it's also possible one of them was her. I think wilwa said her identity will not be revealed unless she has been turned before she dies.

both stressed "Woah Shasta made an ordo claim! Watch the sneaky wolf trying to get us off his tail!"
No I didn't! My intention when pointing it out was to say that revealing is not a good idea for an ordo because it will help the wolves more than us, and I didn't vote for him because of the ordo comment but because of its possible consequences.

neither side wins if the Lovers survive, right?
Nope I recall wilwa saying the lovers can win together with both the wolves and the village, they just need to survive.

Now I'm planning to go through the thread and try to sort my thoughts - I don't think I've ever had this hard a time figuring out roles.

[Gaurcrist]

How come some people seem to have a grudge against me for not showing up to vote for one day? Especially you Phantom. I've got my eyes on you. I will not share my thoughts.

[wilwarin538]

Nope I recall wilwa saying the lovers can win together with both the wolves and the village, they just need to survive.



Yes.

[Aganzir]

How come so many people seem to be under the impression the wolves must attack Reddie in order to convert her? Correct a poor non-native speaker if she's wrong but to me that "along with the baddies kill choice" looks pretty much like they send two names every night.
Little Red Cap: --- Every Night the Big Bad Wolf sends me a name along with the baddies kill choice, if he guesses Little Red Cap then he has managed to persuade her that he is indeed her Granny, she becomes a baddie. --- if she dies before she is turned I will not reveal her identity, I won’t even tell Mr. BBW, mwahaha.

By the way Gaurcrist you need to be on the invisible mode while playing. You can do it by clicking User CP -> Edit Options and then checking the Use Invisible Mode box.

[Gaurcrist]

Why? Wilwa told me to turn it on.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

How come so many people seem to be under the impression the wolves must attack Reddie in order to convert her? Correct a poor non-native speaker if she's wrong but to me that "along with the baddies kill choice" looks pretty much like they send two names every night.


By the way Gaurcrist you need to be on the invisible mode while playing. You can do it by clicking User CP -> Edit Options and checking the Use Invisible Mode box.

Well, Agan, after reading your post I re-checked the rules. Yeah, I missed that. :rolleyes:

Still, now there's no reason not to lynch Shasta. :)

Also, Gaurcrist: :D Too funny. I'm watching the phantom too - that creature is a diabolical rogue and requires fist-shaking in his general direction. Bah!

[Mithalwen]

Thanks Aganzir .. I didn't register that...

Maybe I should let up on Shasta .. but.... I want to hear from him ...