Werewolf LXXII: Now There's the Truth of It! (Game Thread) [Archive] - Page 2

the phantom

02-07-2010, 02:23 PM

If you haven't made a trust/suspect list by the end of the day, you should die.

If you don't produce a song/poem parody by the end of the day, you should die.

And what did I say about snuggling on a WW thread?! Only a Mod has the power to get away with that. And The Barrow-Wight- but he has the good taste not to try it.

And cats too. They have no place being mentioned in a WW game. They are furry evil creatures who... erm, well okay... actually, they fit great in a WW game.

And why have none of you taken the lead and dumped your votes? You can either do the flush-your-extra-three-votes thing (a wicked awesome plan if I may say so) or you can just go ahead and vote for a person or two to get the ball rolling. Talk in circles all you want, but you know good and well that at the end of the day you will feel that there are certain individuals that you simply cannot allow to be lynched this round given what happened with the voting yesterday.

If you don't go ahead and jump on a couple of your convictions early everyone else will beat you to it and then for the purpose of spreading votes you'll be forced to vote for your lesser choices. Is that what you want? Come on- take some pressure off of yourself. Cast some votes. It's not like you only have one.

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-07-2010, 02:32 PM

But phantom, darling, I like pressure. The full weight of a situation, pressing, bearing down on me...

Why cast votes now when I can masochistically enjoy the intensity?

Nogrod

02-07-2010, 02:39 PM

Pitchwife

02-07-2010, 02:39 PM

If you haven't made a trust/suspect list by the end of the day, you should die.
Almost makes me wish I hadn't.
If you don't produce a song/poem parody by the end of the day, you should die.
Kill me then, if you can. Can't rhyme under pressure if my life depends on it. Especially not when my life depends on it.
And what did I say about snuggling on a WW thread?! Only a Mod has the power to get away with that. And The Barrow-Wight- but he has the good taste not to try it.
*snuggle snuggle snuggle*
And cats too. They have no place being mentioned in a WW game. They are furry evil creatures who... erm, well okay... actually, they fit great in a WW game.
Tevildo. 'Nuff said.
And why have none of you taken the lead and dumped your votes? You can either do the flush-your-extra-three-votes thing (a wicked awesome plan if I may say so) or you can just go ahead and vote for a person or two to get the ball rolling. Talk in circles all you want, but you know good and well that at the end of the day you will feel that there are certain individuals that you simply cannot allow to be lynched this round given what happened with the voting yesterday.
If you don't go ahead and jump on a couple of your convictions early everyone else will beat you to it and then for the purpose of spreading votes you'll be forced to vote for your lesser choices. Is that what you want? Come on- take some pressure off of yourself. Cast some votes. It's not like you only have one.
And who are you, anyway?

the phantom

02-07-2010, 02:45 PM

I clearly wasn't talking to you, Fea. I would make some criticisms of you (about how you're the last person who oughta be trusted to make good rational decisions in crunch time and such) but I know that you're just as arrogant as your father and criticism simply bounces off of you.

Nogrod

02-07-2010, 02:51 PM

I find this a bit odd...
Sad that the Hunter is gone so quickly, but niice that she took a wolf with her. xDYeah, there is the smilie in the end but somehow it just looks not right.

I'm not a native speaker as most of you know, but to me that looks an odd way to phrase it.

And anyway, killing a wolf while going down is the ultimate victory of the hunter - after just D1 it's like unparalleled heroism. So: "sad the hunter is gone so quickly"? Hope you see what I mean? To me it looks more like someone who is forced to say something good on the hunter - and not feeling it truly as a good thing.

PS. As you see, I'm skimming the thread and coming forwards making any points as I go unless I get a better idea... :)

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-07-2010, 02:56 PM

Did Fea actually ever elaborate why she gave her two Simon-votes as pluses to wilwa?

She seemed the snuggliest at the time.

Nogrod

02-07-2010, 02:58 PM

She seemed the snuggliest at the time.Oh but that explains it. Why didn't you tell us that in the beginning so I shouldn't have needed to make the effort of asking? :D

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-07-2010, 03:00 PM

Oh but that explains it. Why didn't you tell us that in the beginning so I shouldn't have needed to make the effort of asking? :D

Why did you think I'd have a more convolutedly complex answer in place for you after a Day One?

Rune Son of Bjarne

02-07-2010, 03:01 PM

I find this a bit odd...
Yeah, there is the smilie in the end but somehow it just looks not right.

I'm not a native speaker as most of you know, but to me that looks an odd way to phrase it.

And anyway, killing a wolf while going down is the ultimate victory of the hunter - after just D1 it's like unparalleled heroism. So: "sad the hunter is gone so quickly"? Hope you see what I mean? To me it looks more like someone who is forced to say something good on the hunter - and not feeling it truly as a good thing.

It might be. . . wolves has previously been caught by small random things like this, but it is also very easy to over-react.

To be honest, I don't read it the same way, but I like that stuff as this is brought up.

(Don't have much internet time. . .is looking through the thread)

Nogrod

02-07-2010, 03:24 PM

Some points from the read-in...

This new game-mechanic is proving to be really challenging. To be truthful, I have to say I’m a bit uneasy with all this open support I seem to have (well, seemed to have anyway earlier on the Day). It easily makes me ponder whether there is some buttering-up going on. But on the other hand one wouldn’t like to get all those who trust you to get annoyed with you by suspecting their trust in a game where you need confidence-votes to stay alive. :)

Lottie had some good points on Eönwë and I’m not to sure his answers were that confidence-arousing. Especially what he said on Nienna.

I do appreciate Nerwen’s level-headedness.

I’d be one of those who’d not automatically count on the wolves to vote in a certain pattern. But giving my two cents on it anyhow.

I think it’s clear an early voter-wolf could easily vote one of her/his fellows without looking too bad but still making possibly a crucial vote saving the mate’s neck (and I’m talking about these first Days here – later it might be different), but if it felt to that wolf there was support enough s/he could easily let the mates without a vote as well. In the end there sure is some pressure even with this game dynamics if it looks like a mate is in danger of being lynched. Izzy’s fast rise in the tallies in the end of the Day1 does actually raise my eyebrows. I need to check closer as to what actually happened as soon as I get through the remaining thread.

Inziladun

02-07-2010, 03:26 PM

If you haven't made a trust/suspect list by the end of the day, you should die.

Can we just lynch you? :p

If you don't produce a song/poem parody by the end of the day, you should die.

My muse currently is otherwise occupied. Should inspiration strike, you'll know.

And what did I say about snuggling on a WW thread?! Only a Mod has the power to get away with that. And The Barrow-Wight- but he has the good taste not to try it.

I'm not the 'snuggly' sort, so no worries there.

And cats too. They have no place being mentioned in a WW game. They are furry evil creatures who... erm, well okay... actually, they fit great in a WW game.

Cats being assuredly not evil, they do not mesh with wolves.

Of Form. I can see where the suspicion comes from but,
- Could anyone knowing him even a wee-bit think he would knowingly go and post on the thread during the Night while conversing with his packmates (and possibly planning that trick)? It just doesn't fit my image of him.
- His votes of confidence were clearly to those others who posted prematurely, and if he's innocent - and as he is the D1-hater I know - it would sound pretty straightforward from him. In general I could see some "goodwill" forming in an innocent towards others who have screwed up like himself...

I'm not saying he should not be suspected and I'd like to hear what he says toDay, but let's ponder these factors as well.

I had a hard time seeing him doing something like that too. It's not the early posting by itself so much as it is the totality of circumstances. The fact that he and Mira voted for one another as well is what makes me uneasy about him.

What I find a bit disconcerting is that more or less everyone seems to be assuming that Fea and wilwa are innocent by default. Well I tend to think them more innocent than not, but not by default or think it somehow self-evident.

I don't see anything particularly evil-looking about either of them, but they're not in the clear, to be sure.

And anyway, killing a wolf while going down is the ultimate victory of the hunter - after just D1 it's like unparalleled heroism. So: "sad the hunter is gone so quickly"? Hope you see what I mean? To me it looks more like someone who is forced to say something good on the hunter - and not feeling it truly as a good thing.

I can see what you mean, and it is a somewhat odd way to phrase it, but that by itself wouldn't be enough to make me think Izzy a wolf. Just something to file away in case other things about her come to the forefront.

x/d with Nog

Pitchwife

02-07-2010, 03:28 PM

Nice find about Izzy, Nog. Sounds a little off to me, too. And now you mention it, Glirdan said something similar in #208:
It is sad that Nienna was killed during the Night for she definitely could have proved to have been of some great help to us, but at least she didn't die in vain!
OK, maybe he meant she could have been helpful as a reasonable player, or even as a known innocent later on if revealed, but what greater help can a Hunter be to the village than by killing a wolf, especially so early on?

EDIT: x-ed w/ Nog and Zil; also added bolding.

Rune Son of Bjarne

02-07-2010, 03:31 PM

I really don't think that Form is a wolf and I would actually like to see him as simon. . .

I simply don't belive that he would deliberatly post too early, of course there is a chance that two wolves posted too early by mistake. . .but I have seen nothing to indicate that Form is a wolf.

I do realise that Mira defended him, but would the wolves dare to establish such obvious links this early in the game?
I would never dare, but I was never known for bravery.

Nogrod

02-07-2010, 03:40 PM

OK, maybe he meant she could have been helpful as a reasonable player, or even as a known innocent later on if revealed, but what greater help can a Hunter be to the village than by killing a wolf, especially so early on?Good spotting a well! And I agree with your reservations as well. Later in the game a revealed hunter is one whom the wolves will not dare to touch - and Nienna was one of the most reasonable players yesterDay. Like Zil said, these both cases I think belong to the category "if there is something else to suspect X for, this might be a brick to add to the wall".

At the moment, I feel a bit uneasy with Glirdan already saying he trusts me, a bit too much - and about Izzy getting saved late on D1 (I'll go to check that latter like now).

wilwarin538

02-07-2010, 03:44 PM

I am going to make a preliminary list before reading everything again. A *** beside someone's name means that my brain has not processed any sort of opinion on them as of yet, and I will be back later with better formed opinions of them (hence my use of the word "preliminary")

Brinn ***

Dun ***

Fea: trust, because I do.

Form: certain things about him seem a little off (Night post thing and Mira vote for him), but I still just can't see him as posting during the Night like that as a wolf. No matter how many times I try to think of it as a possibility my mind is like "What, that's impossible, it's like trying to picture phantom as a nice guy." :p So I don't see him as a wolf.

Glirdan: want so badly to trust him, but the fact that him and I are agreeing about everything is sooooo weird. I'm gonna have to stay neutral on him, cause it's all gut right now.

Izzy *** (though her name is sending me bad vibes, so I must have seen something I didn't like at some point, I'll take a look at her)

Lottie: I feel quite good here, I like her songs. :D But beyond that I just think she has very good insight and valid points. (the Mira votes are still in the back of my mind though)

Nerwen ***

Nog: I think I trust him. May just be a natural instinct for me though, so when I read through I'll watch close, see if that changes at all.

Pitch: quite good with indeed.

Rune ***

Steve ***

So I'm gonna go read now....

oh, and my CAT is feeling better now, though he is still taking a lot of CAT naps and such. He is a very good CAT and my favourite out of all my three CATS....I'll stop now...

*snuggles everyone*

x'ed with Nog

Inziladun

02-07-2010, 03:56 PM

Since the late votes for Izzy ought to be scrutinized, I'll have it out that the primary reason I decided to vote for her at the last was the fact that I was disposed to think a bit better of her over Gwath because she'd given me a vote. Not the best of reasons to return the favour, I know. But that was my thinking at the time.

Pitchwife

02-07-2010, 04:22 PM

OK, folks, I've got to get up early tomorrow; will be around for another hour or so, but I should start getting my votes 'dumped', as the phantom put it, just in case there's any technical difficulties again. So, to start with:
++Eönwë
++Lottie
Both have demonstrated independent thinking and mostly make sense to me. And see what I said earlier about Lottie's wolf-spotting knack.

I'm inclined to trust Nog more again after his reappearance toDay, but he's probably going to get his share of votes anyway, so don't think he needs one from me.
Might vote for any out of wilwa, Fea, Nerwen, Zil.
Still leaning positive about Brinn, Izzy, Glirdan, but enough for a vote? Don't know.

Rune and Form, whether wolvish or not, haven't given me any reason for special confidence. Definitely not going to vote them.

EDIT: bolding again.

Isabellkya

02-07-2010, 04:25 PM

Glirdan and Loslote, why would Nienna talking/agreeing with Nog make him more innocent? She may be a proven innocent, but that doesn't mean that proven innocents only trust/agree with other innocents. She didn't have seer powers, so...

Inziladun, Fea voted for Mira. but I believe she said "stick" and I believe that is Mira. #152 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623015&postcount=152)

Pitch. When I voted.. I believe there were a bunch of people with no votes, or one vote. So instead if adding to those whom had multiple votes, I wanted to place mine with those whom had n/one so as to avoid a mass tie. I'd have to check the actual numbers, since my tally is now undecipherable as to which votes were where when I voted. lol.

That is true Nog. I've no personal connections to Nienna, nor a Hunter. I would prefer the Hunter/Nienna still be around - because then it would make the wolves sweat just a lil' more while making their kill decisions. Now, they don't have to worry about hitting the hunter, whom could be aimed at them.

If there was wolf-save-wolf voting going on, would they perhaps try to do it earlier in the Day; so as to maybe try and direct other votes that way? Or at least not hold on to all of their votes until the deadline?

With people saying they trust X person, perhaps you can elaborate on it. Why do you trust them? Instead of saying "player x: Just because".

As I said at the end of the day, yesterDay. Actually, those were my parting words, as I'd thought I was going. Yes, this is a popularity themed contest game, but don't lose sight that our goal is to catch the wolves. So trusting people just because they are your friends, or because you think they sing songs nicely. Wolves can't sing? Haven't you read The Three Little pigs story, from the POV of the wolf? (If I remember correctly, the wolf sang in it, or read a poem.)

X'd with Pitch.

Nogrod

02-07-2010, 04:28 PM

There was considerable discussion on a possible threeway tie between Gwath who had one vote and Pitch & Izzy who had no votes at the end of the Day.

Then ten minutes before the end Nerwen opened it by voting Fea, Steve and Pitch.

Fea gave another vote to Pitch at .56.

So Izzy had no votes, Gwath had one vote, and Pitch had two (with Rune).

Then things started happening at the last minutes (and there probably were crossposting there).

.59 Inzil -> Izzy ("Now it's just two way with her and Gwath", he said earlier: "I hate for Izzy to go, really")
.59 Eönwë -> Izzy ("Because Gwath seems more suspicious.")
.00 Brinn -> Izzy ("I don't see anything particularly suspicious with Izzy, but is it worth voting for her if it's just going to create a messy tie situation? Though it look like only a two-way tie now..") + -> Fea (deciding on the Simon-role)
.00 Nerwen -> Izzy ("Ties her up with Gwath, I know... sorry...")

Hard to say if there is mayhem there or not. The votes look decent and more or less reasoned... but seasoned wolves are able to do it as well.

Needs to give it a thought.

EDIT: corrected a counting mistake before the last minute tallies

wilwarin538

02-07-2010, 04:40 PM

My mother's lasagna is cutting my reading short, so I only got to the first few posts of page 4. But here is what I had quoted and my thoughts:

What I don't like is our chance of getting an un-dreamed wolf in the early part of the game.

This sentence doesn't make sense to me, and it's fishy.

Oh and Glirdan, did they really lynch you on Day 1 last game? I remember there were a few who joked about lynching you Day 1, but I didn't think they'd actually do it. Meanies. :p

He was actually Hunter killed Day 1, not lynched, haha, poor kid, worst luck...

Hopefully a Seer-reveal will be entirely unnecessary. But if someone did vote for a wolf obtained from a Seer dream, they'd be in the hot seat, no matter their excuse.

First sentence is what I'm looking at. And this may get me alot of scrutiny but a Seer is really only useful if they've revealed. I mean a Seer could dream of 3 wolves and then die before saying anything, and then what good were their dreams? Unless they left really awesome hints, but even those can be hard to catch and are risky, especially if the dream was for a wolf. So a Seer reveal is actually almost necessary for them to be helpful. Yeah, it's way better later on in the game then on Day 1 when they've only have one dream, but to be "entirely unnecessary" is kind of rediculous, it's actually usually necessary at some point.

Would it be skirting and or bending the rules, if we had a bigway tie for toDay, and thus no one would go to the noose?

No idea why she made such a suggestion. Lynching is all we have, of course we want it to happen, even if we don't get a wolf it's better then not trying. Considering the number of Fenris wolves out there it's obviously possible.

If we do have a system of showing who we want to lynch, it draws attention away from those in who aren't in the list and who have only received a few votes of confidence. It means that these people may be able to last for quite a few days with only a few votes and remain undetected. Of course, we'll still have the same problem now, but now no-one who isn't voted is safe and have to work to gain the village's confidence, but if we do the lynch-thing, people that aren't on there will be "safe" and will probably not be looked at as much as those under suspicion.

But it's not like everyone will vote for the same people every day. suspicions changed, I mean 10 minutes ago I had no opinion on quite a few people, and now I'm suddenly paranoid about a bunch of you. So I doubt people could skim through as easily as you think. Also, I don't get why you fought Nog's suggestion so hard, Pitch did as well but I think Eonwe took it a bit too far. It really was not that big of a deal.

*breathes*

Gonna stop now and go eat, I'll be back later. I will try and get out of this foul mood I seem to have landed in.

x'ed with nog, oh and the underlining is mine..

Brinniel

02-07-2010, 04:40 PM

About the late Izzy voting, I voted for her because I didn't find anything suspicious about her and didn't think she deserved to be lynched. Okay, I didn't find Gwath particularly suspicious either, but his quiet and subtle playing style makes me a little more uneasy and I thought Izzy was more helpful during the Day. I know both Nerwen and I had expressed interest in voting her near the end of the Day; I don't know where the other votes came from. On one hand it does look odd, but then there was a lot of x-posting during those last moments and part of it could've been a frenzy to prevent a tie from occurring. I don't know what the chances are that this last minute voting frenzy could indicate a wolf trying to save their mate; I certainly wouldn't suspect Izzy or anyone who voted her based on that alone.

Rune Son of Bjarne

02-07-2010, 04:46 PM

As I said at the end of the day, yesterDay. Actually, those were my parting words, as I'd thought I was going. Yes, this is a popularity themed contest game, but don't lose sight that our goal is to catch the wolves. So trusting people just because they are your friends, or because you think they sing songs nicely. Wolves can't sing? Haven't you read The Three Little pigs story, from the POV of the wolf? (If I remember correctly, the wolf sang in it, or read a poem.)

X'd with Pitch.

We do seem to have lost sight of our goal. . . Some people are doing some very nice analyzing, but it seems to be used for finding Simons and not for hunting wolves.

As it looks right now we will probably end up lynching alot of innocent not-extremely vocal players, so Nogrod should be thrilled. A vocal player who attracts alot of suspicion, will always have a few supporters. . . and that is all you need to survive.

I think our succes in this game will rely on having active leaders (simons), unless we can come up with some other system of voting.

Pitchwife

02-07-2010, 04:56 PM

What I don't like is our chance of getting an un-dreamed wolf in the early part of the game.
This sentence doesn't make sense to me, and it's fishy.
What's fishy about that? If you read it in the context of popularity contest, trusting vs suspecting, no active lynch votes from the wolves, etc., it makes perfect sense to me.
By the way, wilwa, I've just become convinced that you can't possibly be a wolf. My wife says you're a kangaroo.

Loslote

02-07-2010, 05:02 PM

OK, before I do anything else:

Firstly, as Pitch has already said, it's the other way around. Also, I don't think any of our two posts were meant totally seriously. Next you'll suggest that Pitchwife was going to create a craziness scale and vote (wait, no, lynch :p) people higher up.

#60 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=622916&postcount=60), #65 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=622921&postcount=65), #69 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=622925&postcount=69), #72 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=622928&postcount=72), #77 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=622933&postcount=77),#82 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=622938&postcount=82), and #85 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=622941&postcount=85) are all debating with Nog about suspecting vs. trusting. I don't know about anyone else, but I found that annoying to read through the first time (when I thought dl was fast approaching and was trying to get caught up) and extremely suspicious the next few times. Steve explains his earlier posts; qualifies his earlier posts; and flip-flops a lot, all the while arguing with Nog.
Firstly, the last of those posts was made when there were three hours until the planned DL. Three hours! If you miscalculated the time then you shouldn't attack me just because you were in a bad mood. Anyway, all I was saying in all of those posts is that in this game we're given a new weapon against the wolves. Why waste it and try to turn this into a normal game when
(a) We haven't yet explored this new style of voting; and
(b) We can't turn this into a normal game anyway because we're voting for the opposite thing?

That's not to say that no-one should post their suspicions (as I have said countless times before now). That's what a large proportion of posts are anyway. That's what needs to be done in order to do anything in this game. It's just that I don't think these fake votes are necessary.

And then everyone assumes that I'm trying to stifle people's opinions?

And since when did Nogrod become He Who Only Speaks The Truth? It seems that everyone has just blindly followed him, because he suggested that we should mention who we find suspicious, which is what we do anyway.

However, I will say this- Yesterday there were quite a few people who didn't mention who they thought was suspicious and in this way maybe Nogrod had the right idea. It was just that I thought a fake vote was going too far.

Have you? A lot of her posts are just agreeing with people. Look at this (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623091&postcount=212). #51 is a good point, but #61 is just the obvious (which I'll admit I did neglect to mention in my post just before). Then she comes in with a post count which isn't really that useful. The she does make quite good point in the next post (#90), but I don't think I read that at the time (and she basically just continuing along #51's line of thought anyway). The rest of her posts were after my list.

Ok, I admit it, not only was I hypocritical there, but wrong. Happy now?

Well, if you look at my list, Izzy was on the innocent side. On my vote post, I seem to have said "x-ed with Fea" rather than "since Fea". Seeing that Pitch (who I thought more innocent) had got Fea's vote, I wanted to save Izzy too, as it didn't seem like anyone would be voting Gwath (on my suspicious list, by the way). Anything wrong with that?

Now to actually start the Day...

1. Sorry, habit.
2. But I didn't read it when you were posting, I got on and read it when there was only one hour til dl. I was starting to think I would hit dl without ever finishing your little debate!
3. Yes I am happy now. :D
4. That last one wasn't particularly "omg that's evil!!!" just noting what you did.

And see what I said earlier about Lottie's wolf-spotting knack.

If you think I have a wolf-spotting knack, why do you vote my top suspect? :rolleyes:

Glirdan and Loslote, why would Nienna talking/agreeing with Nog make him more innocent? She may be a proven innocent, but that doesn't mean that proven innocents only trust/agree with other innocents. She didn't have seer powers, so...

Nienna is a known innocent, therefore she was not trying to mislead us, so we can take what she says at face value. That, plus the fact that Nog does look innocent, leads me to trust him.

EDIT: xed with Pitchie

Loslote

02-07-2010, 05:05 PM

I will be on off and on toDay - imprompu Superbowl party means I will have people over and will be playing board games with them, but will be able to escape when guys are hitting each other. So in case I can't get on...

++Zil
++Nog
++Glirdy

For Phantom-dumping. Last vote hopefully closer to dl.

Glirdan

02-07-2010, 05:07 PM

Glirdan and Loslote, why would Nienna talking/agreeing with Nog make him more innocent? She may be a proven innocent, but that doesn't mean that proven innocents only trust/agree with other innocents. She didn't have seer powers, so...

I just feel having a known innocent agreeing with him makes him seem a little more trustworthy. Anything she said could be taken for what it is as we know for a fact she wasn't trying to mislead us. However, that is not my main reasoning for having trust in Nog (which could very well be misplaced for all I know). It is the fact that he has been making sound arguments and has been logical and bringing up rather important points and thoughts.

Yet, as I stated in post #246 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623131&postcount=246), there is the possibility that he is a Wolf. I really am inclined to keeping him around due to his logic and reasoning, yet it is entirely possible that he is manipulating everything. Only way to find that out for sure would be to have him lynched or if he was Night killed.

Now on to Nog's list of last minute votes for Izzy at the end of the Day.

.59 Inzil -> Izzy ("Now it's just two way with her and Gwath", he said earlier: "I hate for Izzy to go, really")
.59 Eönwë -> Izzy ("Because Gwath seems more suspicious.")
.00 Brinn -> Izzy ("I don't see anything particularly suspicious with Izzy, but is it worth voting for her if it's just going to create a messy tie situation? Though it look like only a two-way tie now..") + -> Fea (deciding on the Simon-role)
.00 Nerwen -> Izzy ("Ties her up with Gwath, I know... sorry...")

It is highly unlikely that there is no Wolf in that group, and out of all four, Eonwe and Nerwen stand out the most for their lack of reasoning. Nerwen's vote was the last of the Day and the deciding vote on who was to be lynched. Yet Eonwe voted with a mere explanation of "he's more suspicious." Care to explain why you thought so?

EDIT: X'd with Lottie times 2

Pitchwife

02-07-2010, 05:09 PM

If you think I have a wolf-spotting knack, why do you vote my top suspect?
Because I happen not to find him suspicious (yet). And I partially voted you as a safeguard in case I'm mistaken about him, so be content.:)

Loslote

02-07-2010, 05:12 PM

Because I happen not to find him suspicious (yet). And I partially voted you as a safeguard in case I'm mistaken about him, so be content.:)

*is content*

And, the Izzy-votes did not come as a surprise. They had all been saying "Oh I really want to vote her but I don't want to tie anything" without seeming to notice the other, what, three people saying the same thing. :rolleyes:

Pitchwife

02-07-2010, 05:22 PM

For Phantom-dumping.
Yeah, let's dump him, by all means! He's been enough of a nuisance...:D

OK, it's really really bedtime for me, so lest I incur sally's Wrath:
++Nerwen
++Fea

Good night.

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-07-2010, 05:22 PM

I would like to be Simon again, because I trust my judgment more than anybody else's.

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-07-2010, 05:28 PM

However, since Ni has informed me that I can't be Simon twice in a row, I request that you make Wilwa Simon. For the following two reasons:

1) I trust her judgment, and
2) I'm not afraid to say so.

++Wilwa

And just to get the ball rolling a bit more,

++Izzy

because after yesterDay's last minute Izzy-fest, I would assume the Seer would dream of her. And since nobody has particularly hinted toward her evilness, I'm willing to go forward under the assumption that Iz is obeykaybe.

Glirdan

02-07-2010, 05:49 PM

I'm going to go ahead and cast two of my votes right now.

First too

++Wilwa

She's had sound arguments thus far, brought up some rather good points and just seems to be genuinely innocent.

My second one too

++Nogrod

I've said it many times and I'll say it again, he's logical, well-reasoned and has put forth many good ideas and points.

wilwarin538

02-07-2010, 05:49 PM

What's fishy about that? If you read it in the context of popularity contest, trusting vs suspecting, no active lynch votes from the wolves, etc., it makes perfect sense to me.
By the way, wilwa, I've just become convinced that you can't possibly be a wolf. My wife says you're a kangaroo.

K, so I'm back in a much peppier mood, not sure where that bout of anger came from. I re-read it and something clicked and now her post makes sense, I think all I saw was "what I don't like is...getting a....wolf" without really getting what she was actually saying. Anyway, it makes sense now.

I don't know what that last part means, but I think kangaroos are cool so I'm therefore alright with it. :D

However, since Ni has informed me that I can't be Simon twice in a row, I request that you make Wilwa Simon. For the following two reasons:

1) I trust her judgment, and
2) I'm not afraid to say so.

I thought the rules said you couldn't be Simon for more than 2 days in a row? Could be mistaken though, especially if Mom says so. And thanks for the support! :D

Gonna make two of my four now:

++ Pitch cause I feel quite confident of his innocence.

++ Fea because I trust her and don't want her to perish.

So my list then I suppose looks like this (some based on posts I've commented on, others based on feeling/gut):

Trust
Fea
Pitch
Form

Mostly Trust
Nog
Lottie
Glirdan

Trust more than suspect
Inzil
Rune

Don't Really Trust
Izzy
Eonwe

Still unsure
Nerwen
Brinn

Hmm, so as it stands I may likely vote for Form, and my last could go to anyone of Glirdan, Nog or Lottie. Could still change though, I have a few more hours before I need to vote.

x'ed with Glirdy, hi buddy!

Rune Son of Bjarne

02-07-2010, 05:57 PM

I just feel having a known innocent agreeing with him makes him seem a little more trustworthy. Anything she said could be taken for what it is as we know for a fact she wasn't trying to mislead us. However, that is not my main reasoning for having trust in Nog (which could very well be misplaced for all I know). It is the fact that he has been making sound arguments and has been logical and bringing up rather important points and thoughts.

Don´t put your faith in logic, humans are irrational beings and deffinitly not logical.

To quote a brilliant Dane "No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical"

Anyways I will go make a post a bit more helpful than what I have done so far.

Eönwë

02-07-2010, 06:07 PM

Well, I'm back...

Eonwe voted with a mere explanation of "he's more suspicious." Care to explain why you thought so?

If you look at my list earlier that Day, you'll see that Izzy was on my innocent list, Gwath on my suspicious. Izzy contributed to the discussion while Gwath didn't say much while still giving the impression that he was around.

Inziladun

02-07-2010, 06:10 PM

First sentence is what I'm looking at. And this may get me alot of scrutiny but a Seer is really only useful if they've revealed. I mean a Seer could dream of 3 wolves and then die before saying anything, and then what good were their dreams? Unless they left really awesome hints, but even those can be hard to catch and are risky, especially if the dream was for a wolf. So a Seer reveal is actually almost necessary for them to be helpful. Yeah, it's way better later on in the game then on Day 1 when they've only have one dream, but to be "entirely unnecessary" is kind of rediculous, it's actually usually necessary at some point.

All I meant by that was that with luck, we could get the wolves without the drama of a Gifted reveal. I wasn't saying the Seer should never reveal.

I'll go ahead and make a couple of votes now.

++Nog

Still don't see anything wrong with him, and he can be quite valuable.

++Pitch

He's made some decent points toDay, and I don't see why he should go just yet.

Loslote

02-07-2010, 06:13 PM

I trust Pitchie more or less, but don't really want to vote him. He seems to be getting enough votes to be safe for toDay - I think I'll leave it at that and vote someone I don't want to die but doesn't have many votes.

...and back to watching guys pummel each other (read, playing Blockus while friends who actually care watch the TV).

the phantom

02-07-2010, 06:32 PM

Anyone who doesn't know the current score of the Super Bowl should die.

Rune Son of Bjarne

02-07-2010, 06:35 PM

I guess Glirdan is my top suspect at the moment, the problem for me is that I am not quite sure if it is because of wolfish behaviour, or if it has more to do with me disagreeing with him. I blame this new way of voting!

I do aknowledge that Glirdan has contriubted with some analysis of day 1 action. . . but it is not something that makes him look innocent.

I don't understand why he is so trusting of Nogrod. He argues that he follows Nogrods reasoning and that he likes that a known innocent did not suspect Nogrod. I can understand that they can be contributing factors, but it is way too weak for trusting a person. Also he does not think that Nogrod would be so "obvious" as a wolf. . . Really!?

Also his reasoning about Form seem very weird. . . I simply cannot see a Wolf-Form acting so clumpsy and being so attached to a packmate at this stage in the game.

He seems like he is trying too hard to find reasons to trust Nogrod and it makes me think "wolf"

Eonwe is another person that does not sit right with me. . .but then again, he never does. He seemed kind of defensive and that always gets attention, but many innocent have been overly defensive. Yeah I don't know

Isabellkya

02-07-2010, 06:38 PM

Nogrod

02-07-2010, 06:41 PM

Care to elaborate what you mean Rune, and sorry if I'm after some logic here... :rolleyes:
We do seem to have lost sight of our goal. . . Some people are doing some very nice analyzing, but it seems to be used for finding Simons and not for hunting wolves.
I think our succes in this game will rely on having active leaders (simons), unless we can come up with some other system of voting.

You're driving me mad guys! I'm seeing wolves everywhere... like several different pictures of the situation that are not compatible.

What makes me a bit uneasy with the Izzy-voting is that the last votes for her (eg. Brinn and Nerwen) look the more suspicious ones as both Inzil and Eönwë had actually stated earlier they were seeing Izzy quite more the innocent. And the two ladies waited up to the last minute. That of course is based on the idea that Izzy is a wolf. Her suggestion that we don't lynch anyone on D1, her odd semi-praise for Nienna toDay & the fact she was spectacularly saved at the last minute make me suspect her still. But yes, happily this is no lynch-vote contest...

If Izzy is innocent then the situation understandably will be different. What Fea said is noteworthy and we should bear it in mind.

Although, from yet another angle: with that boldness Fea, Izzy & wilwa would probably have called the seer to check them, so maybe they're not wolves? Or just super-bowl... erm, super-bold wolves?

Blah.

A short pause. Then a list of some sort and thought for my votes - and to sleep.

EDIT: x'd from tp on...

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-07-2010, 06:42 PM

Anyone who doesn't know the current score of the Super Bowl should die.

Oh yeah. That's on, isn't it.

Saints versus... somebody?

That Tony guy isn't playing, right?

Brinniel

02-07-2010, 06:51 PM

Okay, I've seen some suspicion of Formy and I'm not quite sure where it's coming from. He's only made three posts, one of which was during the Night, and none yet toDay. Based on both the content and quantity of his posts, I think he sounds more like an ordo not heavily invested in the game than a wolf.

I can see why people may be gaining this trust for Nogrod. The possibility that the wolves thought Nienna a seer makes sense. The wolves main goal is to find the seer early; Nienna is not someone I'd expect as a typical Night kill this early since she often has managed to become a good lynch target during the first half of previous games. Of course, just because it's a possibility, it doesn't mean we should absolutely trust Nogrod for that reason. I agree he looks more innocent than not, partly because he has been quite sensible and has made valid points...but let's not underestimate the chance that he could very well be fooling us.

I think I'll just make a first vote now:

++Izzy

Because I'm feeling pretty good about her at the moment.

I admit I'm not as invested in this game as I should be; even after looking through posts, I can't seem to come up with anyone worthy of seriously suspecting. I do, however, agree with the point that's been made that the wolves will more likely try to look helpful in order to rack up votes. So perhaps I should take a closer look at the more helpful players:

Loslote
Nogrod
Pitchwife
Eonwe
Glirdan

Those are the ones who have at least appeared most helpful to me so far. Now, I'm sure a few are genuinely trying to help out, but I'll bet that at least one (if not two) is a wolf.

Anyone who doesn't know the current score of the Super Bowl should die.
I think then you might've just killed the entire village. :p

Rune Son of Bjarne

02-07-2010, 06:52 PM

Care to elaborate what you mean Rune, and sorry if I'm after some logic here... :rolleyes:

I think there is a good opportunity that we will end up with non-suspects in danger of being lynched, this might happen because we are voting focusing most on simons rahter than who actually get lynched. I belive that people who aren't very vocal are likely to get fewer votes that people with strong opinions, thus there are a chance of them getting lynched, not because they are wolves, but because they are not that visible in the game.

So I was thinking that we need simons that activly saves people.

Maybe I am panicing without reason, lets hope.

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-07-2010, 06:59 PM

I think then you might've just killed the entire village. :p

I think I might be safe- I'm actively texting somebody who's watching the game, and we actually talked about football.

Rune Son of Bjarne

02-07-2010, 07:14 PM

I guess I don't really trust anybody, but there are certain people I feel better about and want arround for some time.

I want Formendacil to stick arround because his actions seems extremely unwolfish, it would take an insane wolf to do what he has done deliberate. (posting early and having strong ties with a packmate from the very begining)

For ones I feel OK about Nogrod, he still annoys me at times, but I have absolutely no desire to kill him in inventive ways. (It is a case about him acting as he normally does, combined with what can best be described as "good-wibes"

Wilwa seem to be her self and I think she would be a good and relative conservative choice for leader.

I also feel good about Fea, I am convinced that she would have done something absolutely insane had she been a wolf.

The rest I won't label as suspects or good guys, because I have not made my mind up about them. Some have posted alot and that often make them look good, even though a high post count shouldn't count for anything. Others I feel slightly bad about, but I have absiolutely no idea why. . .

Eönwë

02-07-2010, 07:17 PM

Bohemian (Villager's) Rhapsody

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught i-in werewolf
An escape from reality
Starts all your posts
Look at narrations; see
I'm just a villager (Villager)
I need no sympathy
Because I'm easy come, easy go
Little high, little low
Any way the wind blows
Doesn't really matter 'long as wolves lose

Sally, just killed a Gwath
Di'nt put a gun against his head
Voted indirectly, now he's dead
Sally, the game has just begun
But have I gone and thrown it all away?
Sally, oo-oo-ooh
Didn't mean to be boring
If I'm not back again this time toMorrow
Carry on, carry on as long we lynch more wolves

Too late, my time has come
To vote who I want to keep
I need to go to sleep
Goodbye, everybody
I've got to go
Gotta leave you all behind and wait and see
Sally, oo-oo-ooh
I don't want to die
Never wish I hadn't signed up at all

*Guitar Solo*

I see a little silhouetto of a wolf
Ra-anger, Ra-anger, will you please make a save
Werewolves in the Ni-ight, very very frightening me
(Oh the see-er) Oh the see-er (Oh the see-er) Oh the see-er, Oh the see-er dream a wolf
Oh please toNi-i-i-ight!
I'm just a villager nobody loves me
He's just a villager in a game of werewolf
Spare him his life from toDay's lynching

Easy come, easy go, will you not let me go?
Oh Sally! No, we will let you go
Don't let him go
Oh Sally! We will not let you go
Don't let him go
Oh Sally! We will let you go
Don't let me go (Will will let you go)
Don't let me go (We will not let you go) (Never, never, never, never)
Don't let me go, o, o, o, o
No, yes, yes, yes, no, yes, no
(Oh mama mia, mama mia) Mama Mia, don't let me go
Lord Sauron has the werewolf put aside for me, for me, for me!

So you think you can lynch me and spit in my eye
So you think when I argue I need to die
Oh, village, can't do this to me, village
Don't wanna get out, don't wanna get right outta here

*Guitar Solo*

Everything matters
Anyone can see
Everything matters
Everything matters to me

And I hope we lynch wolves...

edit: fixed spelling

Nogrod

02-07-2010, 07:19 PM

The votes thus far...

Pitch
Eönwë
Lottie
Nerwen
Fea

Lottie
Zil
Nog
Glirdy

Fea
wilwa
Izzy

Glirdan
wilwa (2)
Nog (2)

wilwa
Pitch
Fea (2)

Zil
Nog (3)
Pitch (2)

Brinn
Izzy (2)

Leaving Brinn, Rune and Form without a vote yet.

Okay, I can see what you mean Rune...

But then again I think I have been the most vocal person on demanding people to suspect others (and done that) and not only speculate on whom to trust - and then you're grumpy with what I do? :rolleyes:

Yes and I do like this facet of this game set-up: the silent people are forced to the fore. Just to my taste. At last a game where everyone needs to play and not just parasite their way to the victory while those who play lynch each other first!

On the other hand - the other side of the coin - it's annoying how people are soo agreeable as so few dare to suspect others - especially those who have openly trusted them - as they think that being popular to get the votes means to be nice to everyone.

So I'd say let's concentrate on those who are so nice to have around this time. They're probably the guys who stab us in the back at Nights. In this game I find that scenario especially relevant.

Let me give you an example, with your words:
I don't understand why he is so trusting of Nogrod. He argues that he follows Nogrods reasoning and that he likes that a known innocent did not suspect Nogrod. I can understand that they can be contributing factors, but it is way too weak for trusting a person.That's exactly why I feel that Glirdan is up to no good. I mean yeah, it's nice to be trusted, especially when you think people ought to, and it may be he is just an innocent trusting me? But really, it's so overdone I can smell a rat!

I hope you all thought again why people who say they trust you say that! Don't let the good feeling distract you. The wolves have to make you feel good. Remember that.

EDIT: x'd with a host of posts

Rune Son of Bjarne

02-07-2010, 07:26 PM

Lets hope you are right Nogrod, personally I think that the wolves will find other ways to stay parasites. If we end up automatically killing the silent ones, they will just hide in plain sight.

It is possible to be vocal without actually leaving much for analysis.

wilwarin538

02-07-2010, 07:29 PM

votes so far:

Pitch
Eönwë
Lottie
Nerwen
Fea

Lottie
Zil
Nog
Glirdy

Fea
Wilwa (3)
Izzy

Glirdan
Wilwa (4)
Nog (2)

Wilwa
Pitch
Fea (2)

Inzil
Nog (3)
Pitch (2)

Brinn
Izzy (2)

To make Alona's life a bit easier. *snuggles*

x'ed since Nog, who beat me too it

Isabellkya

02-07-2010, 07:32 PM

Glirdan, how did Form go from unsure to suspect?

Pitch, is there a reason that you called Rune and Form lurkers? I don't think Form has posted yet toDay. Do you know something we don't?

I'm off to dinner, shall be back with at least an hour before deadline.

Inziladun

02-07-2010, 07:33 PM

I can see why people may be gaining this trust for Nogrod. The possibility that the wolves thought Nienna a seer makes sense. The wolves main goal is to find the seer early; Nienna is not someone I'd expect as a typical Night kill this early since she often has managed to become a good lynch target during the first half of previous games. Of course, just because it's a possibility, it doesn't mean we should absolutely trust Nogrod for that reason.

It was actually Lottie who first brought up that idea, but I still don't believe that's why Nienna was targeted. It seems rather far-fetched.

I'm not sure what to make of Form. My reason says he'd be an unlikely wolf, because as a wolf he would seem to have been rather careless. The circumstantial evidence looks bad for him though.

I need to go back and look at the others.

Loslote

02-07-2010, 07:34 PM

You know what? I don't particularly mind if any of the non-votes (Brinn, Rune, or Formy) get lynched toDay. Some of the one-votes I'm a bit more concerned about. We saw what happens when people panic with the no-votes: the one-vote gets lynched. So I'm definitely considering voting for Nerwen at this point. Also considering Pitchie or Fea for innocentishness or Wilwa for Simony.

EDIT: xed since Wilwa

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-07-2010, 07:37 PM

I'd also like to avoid Nerwen's demise.

++Nerwen

wilwarin538

02-07-2010, 07:39 PM

Also, the same Simon cannot rule more than two Days in a row.

So technically Fea could be Simon again if that is what's desired by the masses.

I'm gonna do another vote now:

++Form

Because I don't think he's a wolf.

I'm gonna save my last one til I have to go in an hour-ish. My vote will likely go to one of: Nog, Lottie, or Glirdy or.... maybe someone else all together, I'll wait and see what happens.

Rune Son of Bjarne

02-07-2010, 07:45 PM

++Fea
++Wilwa

I would prefer it if Glirdan was lynched, but if that cannot happen then my only request is that I stay alive.

Loslote

02-07-2010, 07:51 PM

Loslote, innocents mislead as well. It isn't just the wolves that scheme and play mind games. xD So yes we can assume that she wasn't trying to mislead us, but it sounded like because Nienna is a known innocent, therefore Nog is pretty much an innocent now.

Some of what Loslote and Glirdan say... sounds identical...

Innocents may mislead, but at least we know they have the same motives as we do: finding wolves. They may have other motives, too (gifted hinting comes to mind) but overall, they're going to be thinking about that, and it'll come out in their posts, even if they try to mislead a bit.

I don't know why we sound identical. I have noticed that we've cross-posted pretty often, and I'll look over his posts and think "dang, he said it first," or "hey, he thought so too, I'm not silly" and I've said so. I have not been trying to agree with him, and since we've cross posted, I doubt if he's been trying to agree with me.

++Fea
++Wilwa

I would prefer it if Glirdan was lynched, but if that cannot happen then my only request is that I stay alive.

Dearest Rune, I'm afraid I have exactly the opposite view. I'd want you dead over him.

Brinniel

02-07-2010, 07:51 PM

I can see some good points about suspecting Glirdan...but I'm not yet convinced.

I'm not sitting too comfortably with Eonwe, but I don't really have a reason for it. Gut feeling, I guess. Loslote bugs me as well, but I'm pretty sure that's because I'm convinced she has some sort of vendetta against me. ;)

Urgh, I have Werewolf Block. And sadly, I just don't have time to look through the thread and analyse because I really need to get going on homework. Someone just kill me now and put my poor brain out of its misery... *headdesk*

Nogrod

02-07-2010, 07:53 PM

Okay. Here are my groupings...

Tend to trust now:

Form - as I said, I couldn't think he would knowingly post at Night to make himself look better etc.
Pitch - brave enough to make a fight in a popularity-contest. And his defence looked genuine enough to me.
Rune - more or less like with Pitch, didn't try to butter-up but was open and straight - even if I'd like to hear more from him... (and shares my suspicions)

On the better side:

Dun - makes good points, bah, I don't know, I get a good feeling about him (even if he voted me :)).
Lottie - the voice of reason around: not controversial but still someone I'd like to have around.

The one's I have problems with identifying them this or that way:

Brinn - little time to post it seems, but still a bit too smooth to my taste - even if toDay has been better than yesterDay; her last vote didn't exactly made me feel good about her.
Fea - the enigma: either she just plays it for fun (don't we all?) or then she's a really nassty wolf with a super arrangement with her fellows (thus probably wilwa & Izzy).
Nerwen - cool and collected as ever - and I like her level-headedness - but she's been a bit too careful as well; and if Izzy is a wolf then her vote is really looking bad (if she isn't, then it's a new situation)
Steve - little by little I'm learning to appreciate his argument with me yesterDay... he's not trying to play it so smooth as some others and that I think is a good thing, but I do not trust him either as I think his arguments yesterDay were forced and wrong and maybe he just corrected his approach to suit the general feeling for toDay?
Wilwa - seems to enjoy her trusted-place a bit too much, and I'm a bit amazed where all that trust comes from; not that I'd see any alarming bells ringing while looking at her posting (unless the general love and happiness -stuff she seems to overdo - and which in this game is especially suspicious), so I can't see the reasons for such amount of trust either. Something fishy there?

Suspicous:

Glirdan - it's nice to be trusted but sometimes it just feels overdone - like with Glirdy - so trying to be too nice?
Izzy - "let's not lynch anyone", the comment on Nienna's death, the bandwagon to save her... I do still see that the evidence points towards her the most even if her few latest posts have been quite honest looking.

Okay. Things happening while I was writing this. Needs to check the situation and then vote...

Nerwen

02-07-2010, 07:53 PM

Of Form. I can see where the suspicion comes from but,

- Could anyone knowing him even a wee-bit think he would knowingly go and post on the thread during the Night while conversing with his packmates (and possibly planning that trick)? It just doesn't fit my image of him.

I'm going to repeat what I said on Day One– the Night posting shouldn't be taken as evidence either way, and I think that still holds even though we now know one of them was a wolf.

I could imagine one wolf doing it as a trick, perhaps, but two makes it a pack-strategy– which seems awfully silly. So if another Night-poster is a wolf, it's probably because of a communication breakdown, like maybe they weren't allowed to pm each other. I hadn't thought of that when I first said it wasn't likely to be a mistake.

My mother's lasagna is cutting my reading short, so I only got to the first few posts of page 4. But here is what I had quoted and my thoughts:

What I don't like is our chance of getting an un-dreamed wolf in the early part of the game.

Why is that fishy? I was replying to Nogrod, who was talking about how we would adjust to the altered game-mechanics, and gave a hypothetical Seer-reveal as an example.

I believe that's what Zil here is also referring to:

Hopefully a Seer-reveal will be entirely unnecessary. But if someone did vote for a wolf obtained from a Seer dream, they'd be in the hot seat, no matter their excuse.

Now, this is a weird little assertion from Glirdan:

Now on to Nog's list of last minute votes for Izzy at the end of the Day.

It is highly unlikely that there is no Wolf in that group

Huh? Why?

EDIT:X'd with a whole lot of people.

wilwarin538

02-07-2010, 08:04 PM

Why is that fishy? I was replying to Nogrod, who was talking about how we would adjust to the altered game-mechanics, and gave a hypothetical Seer-reveal as an example.

I know that now. I just misunderstood what you were saying, I believe it was Inzil who clarified it a bit and I re-read everything that was being talked about at the time and it became less fishy.

I'm gonna do my last vote pretty soon, I guess I'm just waiting to see if anything exciting happens...

Loslote

02-07-2010, 08:05 PM

Loslote bugs me as well, but I'm pretty sure that's because I'm convinced she has some sort of vendetta against me. ;)

Not at all, dear. I want to see you stay. But I have no logical idea what you are, and gut feeling makes me inclinded to suspect you. Then again, I always do suspect you, don't I? Except when you're evil. :rolleyes: So...yeah, you're probably innocent, and I *know* this, but I still *feel* like you're evil. I don't have a vendetta against you at all.

EDIT: xed with Wilwa

satansaloser2005

02-07-2010, 08:08 PM

Sorry, but I was dying and my internet was pronounced a few hours back. Still....

Form walked into the midst of the squabbling contestants, planting himself right beside Pitch. “Silence!” he shouted. “I kill you!”

Everyone hushed and they all turned to stare at him.

“Now that is how you control a room,” a ghostly voice muttered. Someone glanced in his direction. “Horrible Form, Form,” he amended. “You expect people to listen with such cheap taglines?”

Form turned to Pitch and shoved him into the middle of the group. “Dance,” he ordered.

“Listen, man, I don’t know what your problem is but leave me alone,” Pitch said, shoving back.

“My girlfriend’s dead. Somebody’s going to pay for it and it’s going to be you. Now dance.”

“What?”

“Nienna. Somebody killed Nienna. Was it you?”

Pitch slowly shook his head. “Noooo....” Form pushed him out and ordered him to dance and he shook his head. “What is this, a bad Back to the Future parody? This competition is ridiculous. No special events, nothing of interest. I’m bored.”

“Then entertain the rest of us and dance!” Form shouted.

“Exactly how is this punishing me?”

“No idea,” Form admitted, “but I’ll think of something.”

“Take off his pants!” someone shouted from the crowd.

“Yeah, his pants!”

Steve blinked a few times. “I vote against that, actually.”

“Works for me,” said a couple of ghostly voices, and they grinned as Form nodded.

Music blared into the room and Pitch groaned. “You have got to be kidding me,” he grumbled.

The music grew louder and everyone stared at him expectantly until he finally started to dance. Form watched as Pitch’s moves became more and more uncoordinated; he obviously wasn’t much of a dancer. Form was just about to tell Pitch to stop when the floor began to creak under him. He had been dancing far too hard and too fast over the same spot.

“Form....” Pitch said as he continued.

“Keep dancing.”

“But Form, I didn’t do it!”

“Keep dancing,” Form insisted. “Someone’s going to pay for what they did to Nienna.”

“But I didn’t do it! I swear, I-”

“Oooo!”

Several of the girls whistled and Steve’s expression changed. “Oh, not those kind of pants,” he said. “Well that’s all right then.”

“Form!” Pitch shouted, blushing. “Let me pull up my pants. Come on, man....”

“Keep dancing!”

“But Form, I- Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!”

Pitch disappeared through the floor, his yell echoing as he fell. Form stepped forward and looked down to see Pitch and his pants lying several feet away from each other.

Pitch was dead. And he hadn’t changed. Form threw up and walked away.

To clarify....

Pitch is dead. He was an ordo. (I'll update this properly when I finish the other narrations later tonight, but it's freezing out here so I'm in a rush.)

Because I suck, if you've voted for Pitch and won't be back to change it I won't count it against you, and if you'd like to change your vote go ahead. Also, Pitch's votes will still count, because I'd planned to leave his death to the end of the Day but someone *cough* Nienna *cough* wouldn't let me sleep so I did it now.

Going off to judge parodies now. ^_^

Nogrod

02-07-2010, 08:11 PM

The votes thus far...

Pitch
Eönwë
Lottie
Nerwen
Fea

Lottie
Zil
Nog
Glirdy

Fea
wilwa
Izzy
Nerwen (2)

Glirdan
wilwa (2)
Nog (2)

wilwa
Pitch
Fea (2)
Form

Zil
Nog (3)
Pitch (2)

Brinn
Izzy (2)

Rune
Fea (3)
wilwa (3)

Leaving Brinn and Rune without a vote yet.

EDIT: WHAT? I don't quite get that...

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-07-2010, 08:12 PM

satansaloser2005

02-07-2010, 08:13 PM

Loslote

02-07-2010, 08:13 PM

...huh. Did not see that one coming. I guess it's a Good Thing that I did not vote him, then. :eek:

wilwarin538

02-07-2010, 08:13 PM

:eek:

So Form and Nienna were Lovers then I'm assuming?

So then I have 2 more votes. hmmm

Nog you may want to get rid of all those Pitch votes and add my 2 Simon bonuses to your tally....so as not to cause confusion.

Eönwë

02-07-2010, 08:14 PM

Ok, now for a list:

Trust more than the others

Pitch- Makes good points and isn't afraid to go against the flow, which makes him seem innocent to me.

Nerwen- Speaks sense on the whole.

Not likely to be evil

Fea- Seems innocent, but has said almost nothing that is useful. She could say anything, and still be counted as innocent, and this is slightly worrying. Though for now I'm inclined to believe she's innocent.

Brinn- Makes good points and doesn't seem to be hiding anything.

Nog- He does make good points and does make sense. Even though I disagreed with his suggestion, I think he was going the right way about this game. However, I do think he is a little too trusted it might be useful to look at him toMorrow when I'm less tired.

Not sure

Wilwa- Seems good all round. And this is slightly worrying me because I can't seem to see her as evil.

Form- Has said very little.

Inzil- I never know what to think of him, and he's as mysterious as ever. But at the moment, I'm leaning innocent on him.

Need to look at
Rune- Hasn't said very much of substance so far, but I because he's having problems accessing the internet I think I'll give him the benefit of a doubt for now.

Glirdan- Seems suspicious yesterDay, but he's improved toDay. He's probably realised this and tried to appear better toDay. Whether this is because he's innocent or a wolf I don't know.

Suspicious of
Lottie- I don't know. On the one hand she seems to be helpful, but on the other hand she seems too good. Maybe a wolf trying to look like the perfect ordo? Also, though she has talked a lot, she has yet to post a list explaining what she thinks of everyone. I originally put her in the "Need to look at" category, but while writing this have moved her.

Izzy- She seems to be posting many good points and making a lot of sense without wasting too many posts or words. However, even though she yesterDay said we wouldn't need Nog's fake votes because of lists, she still hasn't provided us with a list of her own, and this seems suspicious to me.

edi: x-ed with many many posts

Nerwen

02-07-2010, 08:15 PM

So... Form and Nienna were Lovers and that was a revenge-kill? Right?

EDIT:X'd with Steve.

satansaloser2005

02-07-2010, 08:15 PM

Ugh. Well there goes that. I was really quite sure he wasn't evil, and while it's nice to be right, I'd rather be right and have innocents lie.

Oh moddess, dear, does this mean that Form is still alive?

Yes, he is. Sorry, not processing much. Bloody fever and junk.

Form's still alive, just mourning the loss of his beloved Nienna. :(

Loslote

02-07-2010, 08:18 PM

Lottie- I don't know. On the one hand she seems to be helpful, but on the other hand she seems too good. Maybe a wolf trying to look like the perfect ordo? Also, though she has talked a lot, she has yet to post a list explaining what she thinks of everyone. I originally put her in the "Need to look at" category, but while writing this have moved her.

I posted that list way early in the Day, back on page 6, I think. I'll repost it taking new stuffs into consideration...although I might go mingle with guests real quick first.

Nogrod

02-07-2010, 08:20 PM

Well, I need to go to sleep anyhow - even if this is now killing me! What's going on?:eek:

Anyway, if Pitch is dead because of Form being Nienna's lover and taking a revenge, there's no sense in voting him - or Form to that matter (as then following the normal rules Form would be dead as well after taking the revenge).

So my votes will be:

++ Rune
++ Inzil
++ Lottie

I have to think about the fourth for just a moment...

Isabellkya

02-07-2010, 08:21 PM

I can't say that I trust anyone.

Would vote for
Nerwen/Zil
Rune/Brin
Wilwa/Eonwe
Form/Pitch
Fea/Nog
Loslote/Glirdan
Would not vote for

Nerwen - She has been quite logical, and like others isn't all about pleasing people in what she says.

Inziladun - At first I tend to have a hard time reading him, only later in games am I really able to spot nefarious things he says. That isn't a reason to keep him around, however he adds to the game conversation. He also tends to be after me when he is a wolf and I am not. I don't believe he has been, so that also is why I don't think he is a wolf.

Rune - I think if he were a wolf, he could've easily jumped on "common thought", in regards to Form. He speaks, and doesn't seem to be all about pleasing other people in what he says.

Brin - I agree with some of her points in terms of Form. He hasn't been here toDay, so how can he be suspected if he hasn't spoken. However, she hasn't done anything eyebrow raising to me, so she is pretty much in the middle.

Wilwa - she has been pretty consistent in her suspicions, and held onto not thinking Form suspicious, when it could've been easy to just jump on the seeming wagon. Of course she could be wolfmates with him, but the suspicion of Form is pretty much out of nowhere, and I don't think it holds up.

Eonwe - I don't have anything against him, nor anything that makes me suspicious of him.

Form - He hasn't done much to make me suspect him, and I still don't think he would've knowingly posted during the Night if he were a wolf.

Pitch - He talks some sense, however I'm not sure about his stances on Rune and Form as lurkers. Seems like the easy way out.

Form - I don't have much of an opinion on him, other than I don't think he is necessarily a wolf. I doubt he would've purposely done the Night posting if he were. Other than that, he is just in the middle.

Fea - I don't suspect her, but I won't vote for her. The way that people seem to write her off as innocent and completely trustworthy, has me worried.

Nog - Somewhat the same as with Fea. The amount of people voting for him because he makes sense, or says logical things. It makes it sound like Wolves lack any brain waves what so ever, and are completely devoid of thought processes. It isn't necessarily him, as to why I won't vote for him. But the manner in which other people are voting for him.

Loslote - I don't understand where her suspicion of Rune and Eonwe come from. Nor do I understand why she seems to default-trust Glirdan. Whether by accident or what, what she and Glirdan say, sounds very similar.

Glirdan - I'd like to know how Form went from unsure to suspect. He had moved Form into an unsure category because two known innocents had trusted him. I still am confused as to how a known innocent putting their vote on an unknown, makes that unknown less suspicious. Unless the known innocent is the seer, we can't take everything they say as fact. Even then, only the seer's dreams are fact.

X'd with everything after Nerwen's #312.

wilwarin538

02-07-2010, 08:21 PM

k, last two votes now:

++Glirdan

and

++Rune

cause I'm going to be leaving very soon, gotta work tomorrow and need to catch up on all the sleep I lost last night...

satansaloser2005

02-07-2010, 08:22 PM

Eönwë

02-07-2010, 08:26 PM

I posted that list way early in the Day, back on page 6, I think. I'll repost it taking new stuffs into consideration...although I might go mingle with guests real quick first.

Why would you post a list then? Why not wait until you had something to say instead of just putting people into categories without justifying them?

Glirdan

02-07-2010, 08:26 PM

Okay, so that was unexpected. I'm still in shock actually and am just starting to form coherent sentences again. I had a feeling Pitch was innocent and I was actually just coming on to place my third vote and it was going to be for him. Well then...

I'll be posting again shortly, just need to go back and respond to a few other things, but before I do, I'll make my third vote for

++Fea

Level headed, well reasoned, made a good choice on who to use her powers of Simon on, and has made some very valid points.

Loslote

02-07-2010, 08:27 PM

Trust:
Lottie
Nog
Zil
Glirdy
Fea
Wilwa

Unsure, lean innocent:
Nerwen
Formy

Unsure, lean evil:
?Brinn
Izzy

Suspect:
Steve
Rune

~~~

I trust too many people. Just so you know, though, the only one of those six I trust absolutely is me. Brinn's still got that question mark from the last list...I really wish I could figure her out. :confused:

Re: Lover!Formy: What do we think about his Pitchie attack? If he were a wolf, he would have gone after an innocent (check). He also would have gone after someone he thought could have been a gifted...and Pitchie might fit a wolf's gifted profile (do wolves have those?). Then again, would Sally really have paired the Hunter with a Wolf? Returning to the evil theory, that might explain why Nienna died last Night (other than my seer theory, of course.) All in all, though, I think I'm a bit more comfortable with Formy now.

EDIT: xed since my last.

wilwarin538

02-07-2010, 08:29 PM

new vote count before I go

Pitch
Eönwë
Lottie
Nerwen
Fea

Lottie
Zil
Nog
Glirdy

Fea
wilwa (3)
Izzy
Nerwen (2)

Glirdan
wilwa (4)
Nog (2)
Fea (2)

wilwa
Fea (3)
Form
Glirdan (2)
Rune

Zil
Nog (3)

Brinn
Izzy (2)

Rune
Fea (4)
wilwa (5)

Nog
Rune (2)
Inzil (2)
Lottie (2)

I believe that is correct. Removed all votes for Pitch.

Nogrod

02-07-2010, 08:30 PM

Form's not dead, darling.
I figured that up after catching up with the reading...

So that makes my last vote an easier one

++ Formendacil

Sadly it's off to bed to me for now. Luckily I don't have to wake up too early... :p

Thumbs up!

Rune Son of Bjarne

02-07-2010, 08:30 PM

++Formendacil

I used 2 votes on day 1 and 3 today. . .that is enough, right? (because I am at a loss about who else to vote for)

Isabellkya

02-07-2010, 08:31 PM

Does being a lover rule him out as being a wolf?

x'd with Nog and Rune

Eönwë

02-07-2010, 08:31 PM

So now that Pitch is gone I think I'll vote for:

++Nerwen

++Fea

I need to think about the others...

Inziladun

02-07-2010, 08:31 PM

I'm rather pressed for time, but I'll get out a quick list.

Trust: Nog- I can't find much fault with anything he's said, and there's no reason he shouldn't be in this category.

Pitch- Looks better toDay than yesterDay. I wish he was around more though.

Nerwen: Still looks rather good. I know that, like Nog, it's never wise to take her for granted but I see no concrete evidence she's suspicious.

Semi-trust: Rune- Sort of like Pitch, but I know him less well, and I don't have much experience with a Runewolf. Seems sensible.

Fea- She's recovered, which is a good thing, and she's been more active toDay. It makes me a little nervous that she wants to be Simon again though.

Don't Know: Form- Should get the benefit of the doubt toDay at least, since he hasn't even been around.

Lottie- Sometimes makes decent points, but the idea of Nienna being the wolves' target because they thought she was the Seer appeared strange to me, since I saw no sign of that whatever.

Wilwa- This wave of trust and wanting her for Simon seems to have come out of nowhere.

Izzy- Enigmatic as ever. She's always a blank to me.

Eönwë- I was leaning toward the evil category on him, because some of his responses to Nogrod appeared overblown at times. I guess it could have been a simple matter of two ordos having a friendly debate, though. I 'll leave him here for now.

Possibly Evil: Glirdan- Several have brought up questions about him I'd like to see answered.

I know I'm forgetting someone...

EDIT- x/d with a lot of stuff, including a bombshell.

Nerwen

02-07-2010, 08:31 PM

Glirdan- Seems suspicious yesterDay, but he's improved toDay. He's probably realised this and tried to appear better toDay. Whether this is because he's innocent or a wolf I don't know.

You think so? He seems to me just to be picking up on other people's suspicions, and then trying to carry them too far. Maybe just newbie-ness, but I don't find it helpful. And the comment about the Izzy-voters is, as I said, weird.

So–

++Brinniel Talks sense. True, she does that whatever she is, but I'd not like to see her go yet.
++Izzy *shrugs* I just don't think she's a wolf, somehow.

I'll think about what to do with the other votes.

I'm sure I've X'd with everyone– got called to the phone before posting this.
EDIT:yes, X'd since Lottie at #324.

Loslote

02-07-2010, 08:31 PM

Why would you post a list then? Why not wait until you had something to say instead of just putting people into categories without justifying them?

*sigh* I did have suspicions of them at the time. I also had justification. What's happened toDay (with the exception of Formy, Wilwa, and Fea, who look better now) hasn't changed that much.

Would anyone be a dear and give me a vote count while I go mingle so as to prove to the guests that I do, in fact, exist? :Merisu:

EDIT: xed since my last - thank you, Wilwa!

satansaloser2005

02-07-2010, 08:32 PM

I'll be back a bit before DL.

Guest slave Nienna will be providing vote counting services until Alona gets here. Thanks, munchkin.

*flees from the cold*

Eönwë

02-07-2010, 08:32 PM

I know I'm forgetting someone...

Guess who?

satansaloser2005

02-07-2010, 08:34 PM

Oh yeah. Since only three people gave me songs they shall each have one point added to their score. I'll determine the winner later and they'll get a bonus for toMorrow. That is all.

ETA: The three of them being Lottie, Fea, and Steve.

Rune Son of Bjarne

02-07-2010, 08:34 PM

Does being a lover rule him out as being a wolf?

x'd with Nog and Rune
I don´t think so. . .

Glirdan

02-07-2010, 08:35 PM

Glirdan - I'd like to know how Form went from unsure to suspect. He had moved Form into an unsure category because two known innocents had trusted him. I still am confused as to how a known innocent putting their vote on an unknown, makes that unknown less suspicious. Unless the known innocent is the seer, we can't take everything they say as fact. Even then, only the seer's dreams are fact.

Ah, Nerwen, you've never played with me before have you? I get a little confusing at times and this would happen to be one of those times. I will clarify. Yes I am unsure about Form however, if I HAD to pick someone as suspicious, it would have been him. So maybe I should have put that in that underlined title so as to have avoided the confusion. Sorry about that love.

Now on to Nog's list of last minute votes for Izzy at the end of the Day.

It is highly unlikely that there is no Wolf in that group

Huh? Why?

What don't you get? I'm confused now.

Also he does not think that Nogrod would be so "obvious" as a wolf. . . Really!?

Did you read the rest of that post? Because I did say (unless this is another post you're talking about) that I would NOT put it past him to be that conniving. It is Nog after all.

EDIT: Cross posted with too many to count...

Isabellkya

02-07-2010, 08:35 PM

I don´t think so. . .

Okay. I don't know the standard/default/typical definition/rules of a lover pairing.

X'd with Glirdan.

Inziladun

02-07-2010, 08:36 PM

Does being a lover rule him out as being a wolf?

Seems a lot were quick to assume so. :rolleyes:

And I did forget you, Eönwë, sorry.

Isabellkya

02-07-2010, 08:37 PM

My dogs would like to do some gardening, so I shall be back shortly to vote.

X'd with Inziladun.

Nienna

02-07-2010, 08:39 PM

Pitch
Eönwë
Lottie
Nerwen
Fea

Lottie
Zil
Nog
Glirdy

Fea
wilwa (3)
Izzy
Nerwen (2)

Glirdan
wilwa (4)
Nog (2)

wilwa
Fea (2)
Form
Glirdan (2)
Rune

Zil
Nog (3)

Brinn
Izzy (2)

Rune
Fea (3)
wilwa (5)
Form (2)

Nog
Rune (2)
Inzil (2)
Lottie (2)
Form (3)

Steve
Nerwen (3)
Fea (4)

Nerwen
Brinn
Izzy (3)

Loslote

02-07-2010, 08:39 PM

Seems a lot were quick to assume so. :rolleyes:

It was not an assumption, it was a conclusion drawn after analysis looking at both possibilities. It does look like he's innocent, though.

EDIT: xed with Izzy and Nienna.

Rune Son of Bjarne

02-07-2010, 08:40 PM

I got to go now, hopefully I will see you all again.

Brinniel

02-07-2010, 08:40 PM

Oh crap, I'm gonna get lynched because I didn't have time to write a song. I should write a song about that...

Eönwë

02-07-2010, 08:41 PM

Well, now that I'm up this late I might as well stay 'till the end...

Does being a lover rule him out as being a wolf?

This is Sally. Anything is possible.

Nerwen

02-07-2010, 08:42 PM

Glirdan - I'd like to know how Form went from unsure to suspect. He had moved Form into an unsure category because two known innocents had trusted him. I still am confused as to how a known innocent putting their vote on an unknown, makes that unknown less suspicious. Unless the known innocent is the seer, we can't take everything they say as fact. Even then, only the seer's dreams are fact.

Ah, Nerwen, you've never played with me before have you? I get a little confusing at times and this would happen to be one of those times. I will clarify. Yes I am unsure about Form however, if I HAD to pick someone as suspicious, it would have been him. So maybe I should have put that in that underlined title so as to have avoided the confusion. Sorry about that love.

FYI– that was Izzy you're quoting there.

Now on to Nog's list of last minute votes for Izzy at the end of the Day.

It is highly unlikely that there is no Wolf in that group
Huh? Why?

What don't you get? I'm confused now.

Why it's "highly unlikely" there no wolf among the Izzy-voters, of course.

EDIT:X'd with Zil at #346.

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-07-2010, 08:42 PM

(the accurate vote count, since she forgot Pitch)

I apologize for the formatting, it's from my notes, so it's not in the traditional stylings.

Voted:

Brinn - Izzy
Fea – Wilwa, Izzy, Nerwen
Form -
Glirdan – Wilwa, Nog, Fea
Izzy -
Lottie – Zil, Nog, Glirdan
Nerwen – Brinn, Izzy
Nog – Rune, Zil, Lottie, Formendacil
Pitch - Steve, Lottie, Nerwen, Fea
Rune – Fea, Wilwa, Formendacil
Steve – Nerwen, Fea
Wilwa – Pitch Fea, Formendacil, Glirdy, Rune
Zil – Nog, Pitch

Votes Accrued:

Brinn - 1
Fea - 5
Form - 3
Glirdan - 2
Izzy - 3
Lottie - 2
Nerwen - 3
Nog - 3
Pitch - 2
Rune - 2
Steve - 1
Wilwa – 3
Zil - 2

satansaloser2005

02-07-2010, 08:43 PM

Oh crap, I'm gonna get lynched because I didn't have time to write a song. I should write a song about that...

You've got about 15 minutes. I'll clap the last point onto you if you give me something good. :)

Inziladun

02-07-2010, 08:43 PM

It was not an assumption, it was a conclusion drawn after analysis looking at both possibilities. It does look like he's innocent, though.

Ok. I didn't see Sally confirm that, though.

Eönwë

02-07-2010, 08:45 PM

It was not an assumption, it was a conclusion drawn after analysis looking at both possibilities. It does look like he's innocent, though.

Really? Why?

Isabellkya

02-07-2010, 08:46 PM

I would honrstly rather see Glirdan or Loslote go, as opposed to Brin or Eonwe.

If I vote for both, I think it brings it to a seven way tie, which is just horrible.

Hmmph.

X'd with Eonwe.

Brinniel

02-07-2010, 08:47 PM

You've got about 15 minutes. I'll clap the last point onto you if you give me something good.
Meh, it's not worth it. I've never been good with song parodies and it'll take me too long to come up with something even passable. And even then I'll only be tied which means I could still be lynched.

And anyway, I should be working on homework instead. Boo.

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-07-2010, 08:47 PM

++Steve

Nienna

02-07-2010, 08:48 PM

Brinn - 1
Fea - 5
Form - 3
Glirdan - 2
Izzy - 3
Lottie - 2
Nerwen - 3
Nog - 3
Pitch - 2
Rune - 2
Steve - 2
Wilwa – 3
Zil - 2

Brinniel

02-07-2010, 08:49 PM

Fea, you, Eonwe, and Lottie are up one point.

EDIT: *repeats that comment to Nienna*

Isabellkya

02-07-2010, 08:49 PM

++Nerwen
++Inziladun

Well, there's two.

X'd with Nienna and Brin.

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-07-2010, 08:51 PM

Fea, you, Eonwe, and Lottie are up one point.

EDIT: *repeats that comment to Nienna*

Who from?

Glirdan

02-07-2010, 08:51 PM

FYI– that was Izzy you're quoting there.

Gah!! Sorry, it's been a long day.

And let me try and word that so it actually makes sense because I think I understand it now. What I meant to say is that it is likely that there is a Wolf who voted amongst the last four who voted for Izzy on Day 1.

Anyway, ten minutes left, I'm going to make my final vote for:

++Lottie

She has been raising some valid points and has had sound arguments and was next on my list to vote for after Pitch.

Will still be around till the end of Day if you want to ask me anything else.

EDIT: X'd since my last post

Brinniel

02-07-2010, 08:51 PM

Sally said she gave those who wrote a song parody an extra point...

Inziladun

02-07-2010, 08:53 PM

++Nerwen

Isabellkya

02-07-2010, 08:53 PM

That was for toMorrow I think.

X'd with inziladun.

Nienna

02-07-2010, 08:53 PM

Brinn - 1
Fea - 5
Form - 3
Glirdan - 2
Izzy - 3
Lottie - 3
Nerwen - 5
Nog - 3
Pitch - 2
Rune - 2
Steve - 2
Wilwa – 3
Zil - 3

Eönwë

02-07-2010, 08:54 PM

Ok, well:

++Inzil

Brinniel

02-07-2010, 08:54 PM

Then I don't know why Sally gave me the shot for an extra point since I'd be dead...

satansaloser2005

02-07-2010, 08:55 PM

Meh, it's not worth it. I've never been good with song parodies and it'll take me too long to come up with something even passable. And even then I'll only be tied which means I could still be lynched.

And anyway, I should be working on homework instead. Boo.

Double boo.

Sally said she gave those who wrote a song parody an extra point...

Indeedie.

That was for toMorrow I think.

X'd with inziladun.

Nope, toDay.

Eönwë

02-07-2010, 08:55 PM

And

++Nogrod

Formendacil

02-07-2010, 08:56 PM

++ Inziladun
++ Wilwa
++ Rune
++ Isabellkya

Explanations toMorrow.

Inziladun

02-07-2010, 08:56 PM

Brinn I forgot to include in my list as well. Should I do a three way tie?

x/d with Moddess, Form, and Steve.

Isabellkya

02-07-2010, 08:56 PM

So whats the count with the added one extras?

X'd with inziladun, Form, Eonwe.

Brinniel

02-07-2010, 08:57 PM

Inzil, if you don't try, then you'll definitely be killing an innocent.

Brinniel

02-07-2010, 08:58 PM

*sigh* I'm losing faith in my PM buddy considering they haven't even tried to save me. *coughs*

Would Sally be so cruel to assign an ordo and wolf as PM buddies? I'm concerned I've been deceived, which could be problematic.

Isabellkya

02-07-2010, 08:58 PM

I can't in good conscience vote for any others..
++Brin
++Rune

X'd with Brinx2. o.O
Edit 2. Supposed to be can't, not can.

Nienna

02-07-2010, 08:59 PM

Brinn - 3
Fea - 6
Form - 3
Glirdan - 2
Izzy - 4
Lottie - 4
Nerwen - 5
Nog - 4
Pitch - 2
Rune - 4
Steve - 3
Wilwa – 6
Zil - 5

With ALL extras and Zil's vote. Final count.

Inziladun

02-07-2010, 08:59 PM

++Brinn

satansaloser2005

02-07-2010, 09:00 PM

Which is to say Steve, Fea, and Lottie get an extra point. They don't get an extra vote. (This is mostly directed toward Nienna because my MSN fails right now.)

Glirdan

02-07-2010, 09:01 PM

So then am I to take I'm the one being lynched?

satansaloser2005

02-07-2010, 09:01 PM

DL. I'll look things over and let you know what's going on. ^_^

Nerwen

02-07-2010, 09:02 PM

Sorry for not using my last 2 votes– my parents turned up a few minutes ago.

satansaloser2005

02-07-2010, 09:09 PM

Results.

Glirdan was lynched. As Diller, he had plans to rule you all. Bloody werewolves.

I'm rolling between Fea and Wilwa now. Will edit it in.

ETA: Fea is Simon another Day.

satansaloser2005

02-08-2010, 08:52 PM

No one died toNight. I'd tell you why, but then I'd have to kill you all.

I'll put up the narration when I can, but my internet's been awful so I'll likely dink around and then sleep. Feel free to start talking a few minutes early. :)

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-08-2010, 08:56 PM

I'M ALIVEEEEEE!

I must say, that's kind of unexpected.

Pleasant, though. I approve. Once I've properly gathered my thoughts, I'll share them with you, I promise.

Inziladun

02-08-2010, 09:17 PM

satansaloser2005

02-08-2010, 09:22 PM

Excellent! Two wolves down and a quiet Night. Hopefully our gracious moddess will eventually give us the details without feeling the need to muder us. :eek:
Obviously, knowing the intended target (assuming there was one and the wolves didn't simply forget) could be a great help.
I haven't time to closely look at yesterDay's events leading up to DL, so I'll leave it at that for now. To bed with me!

Nope. It wasn't a ranger save, by the way. I'd hate for the ranger to come out in an attempt to help and then have it be irrelevant, so I'll tell you that much.

:Merisu:

the phantom

02-08-2010, 09:32 PM

No kill, and it wasn't even a Ranger save?

Ouch. You know, I really don't think any heckling is necessary here.

satansaloser2005

02-08-2010, 09:38 PM

No kill, and it wasn't even a Ranger save?

Ouch. You know, I really don't think any heckling is necessary here.

*snuggles, for is the moddess and can*

There's my good lil heckler. Now I remember why I pay you. :p

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-08-2010, 09:40 PM

*snuggles myself, for I am the best and the snuggliest*

satansaloser2005

02-08-2010, 09:46 PM

*snuggles myself, for I am the best and the snuggliest*

I demand snuggles, under threat of modfire. Now! :p

the phantom

02-08-2010, 09:46 PM

I think you're confusing yourself with a glowy-eyed cloaked someone.

satansaloser2005

02-08-2010, 09:48 PM

I think you're confusing yourself with a glowy-eyed cloaked someone.

Phantom, for once in your life, leave my mom out of this!:mad:

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-08-2010, 09:48 PM

*snuggles Agent Es*

*winks suggestively at Agent Teepee*

satansaloser2005

02-08-2010, 09:50 PM

*snuggles Agent Es*

*winks suggestively at Agent Teepee*

*considers prematurely announcing a winner*

Agent TeePee. Can I start calling you that now, Phantom? :p

the phantom

02-08-2010, 09:52 PM

That is, in fact, my adopted Native American name (they made me switch it from the first one I picked, Sacapotatoes, brother of Sacajawea).

Loslote

02-08-2010, 10:56 PM

1. If it wasn't a Ranger kill...are we blessed with really lazy werewolves who forgot to send in a kill or something? If so, my thanks, Wolves. :p

2. Sorry about not using my last vote yesterDay. Superbowl ended, so my friends woke from their stupor and demanded conversation.

Brinniel

02-09-2010, 12:32 AM

Wow, I seriously was not expecting to survive yesterDay..

++Izzy

++Inziladun

You guys better thanks these two for saving me because if they hadn't, you would've lynched an innocent rather than a wolf. I really can't see a reason why a wolf would choose to save me and sacrifice their mate, especially considering they had already lost one mate the Night before. Which is why I trust these two; I'll be very surprised if they turn up evil as that would've been quite a risky move.

Sorry to say that you won't be seeing much of me toDay. I've got to go to bed shortly and tomorrow I've got classes all day, so most likely you won't see me again until the last hours of the Day. I figured I might as well get half my votes in now since I already made up my mind on them. I'll be sure to use my other two later so I don't get modfired.

Nerwen

02-09-2010, 12:33 AM

1. If it wasn't a Ranger kill...are we blessed with really lazy werewolves who forgot to send in a kill or something? If so, my thanks, Wolves. :p

Maybe there's a secret special role that's immortal, or something.

Moddess, do I have to use up my votes from yesterDay, or do I still have 4 as usual?

EDIT:X'd with Brinn.

Loslote

02-09-2010, 01:24 AM

#26 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=622867&postcount=26): Agrees with Nerwen; says that there's probably at least one Night-Posting Wolf. (True)

#28 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=622869&postcount=28) says good-bye.

#37 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=622884&postcount=37) responds to Rune saying that he only thinks there is one Night-Posting Wolf (hereafter refered to as NPW, just sos I can feel all smart), but that there may be more than one.

In #89 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=622945&postcount=89) he complains about being lynched Day 1 last game, then "votes" Nog without highlighting. Personally, I don't think he would forget something so obvious. Since at that point, I don't think anyone else had voted, he might have been trying to use Nog's reputation to bolster his own without actually doing anything to help him out.

#208 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623085&postcount=208): Doesn't say much; 'yays' over Mira's death.

#209 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623088&postcount=209), #212 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623091&postcount=212), and #214 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623094&postcount=214) look at the dead people's posts: Mira, Nienna, and Gwath. He says Form could be suspicious in #209, then says that he might not be in #214, and ends up deciding that he's Unsure. Interesting... He also says that he thinks Nog is innocent. This could be more "hey I think Nog's innocent don't I rock??? ps don't lynch me" stuff.

#217 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623098&postcount=217) says that he's off to bed but should be more active.

#246 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623131&postcount=246): Wavers on Nog but thinks he's innocent; banters with Wilwa.

#249 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623137&postcount=249): A list. His "trust" group seems to be mostly names that everyone, more or less, considered basically innocent: Wilwa, Fea, Nog, Pitchie. There could be one wolf in there. We know it's not Pitchie, and if it were Nog, I don't think he would have been so obvious with his trust, considering he's always talking about how much he trusts Nog. Which leads me to think Wilwa or Fea...which I find disturbing, since they're pretty widely regarded as innocent. More about that in my next post.

#278 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623177&postcount=278): More Nog's innocent talk. Really, does he ever say anything else? Oh, later on he does ... agree with Nog. Man. Glirdy seems to be sucking every last scrap of Nog-reputation he can get, doesn't he?

In #284 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623188&postcount=284) he votes for Wilwa and - you guessed it - Nog. Perhaps aware that a non-vote wouldn't fly twice, he highlights this time. As for the votes themselves, he (of course) votes Nog, and then votes Wilwa. I think it would be interesting to look at a Glirdy-Wilwa connection...we might just find something.

He votes again in #330 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623241&postcount=330) after expressing "astonishment" at Pitchie's death. He votes Fea, and one of his reasons was that she made a good choice as to who she used her Simon votes on - Wilwa.

#344 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623255&postcount=344): "Suspects" Formy, but is unsure. More about Nog.

#365 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623276&postcount=365): Restates that he thinks there's a wolf among the Izzy voters; votes me. I think at this point he knew there was a good chance he would be lynched, and was trying to cut all ties to his packmates. That probably means that, while there still might be a wolf among the Izzy voters, it's not very likely.

#383 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623294&postcount=383) asks for confirmation that he'd been lynched.

~~~

Formy and Wilwa look pretty bad to me, but I don't *want* to suspect Wilwa. She seems so helpful...although thinking about it, I can't remember why, she just seems good. Huh.

EDIT: xed with Brinn and Nerwen

Loslote

02-09-2010, 01:27 AM

Maybe there's a secret special role that's immortal, or something.

I wouldn't put it past Sally. She did in her last game, with Mith and Nilp, didn't she? (I wasn't here then, and I read through it a while ago, my memory might be faulty.)

Nerwen

02-09-2010, 01:31 AM

Anyway, may I suggest that, once we've had our fill of snuggling :rolleyes: we start looking for Glirdan and Mira's packmates?

WW history tells us that many a village has perished through getting too complacent with a couple of wolves in the bag.

EDIT:X'd with Lottie. Well, there you go.

Isabellkya

02-09-2010, 01:32 AM

I'm sure we'll find out what actually happened with the no-kill for certainty at the end of the game. Could've been forgetful wolves, or could've been The One Hit Wonder. Who knows, save for Miss Moddess; and of course the wolves would probably have an inkling.

a note/question or two that I made after Glirdan's lynching.

Wilwa, you said that you wanted to trust Glirdan, but said you'd stay neutral on him; yet earlier had stated that you felt good about him. So how does a neutral get a vote from you?
Also, you ended up voting for Rune. Why him over Nog and Loslote whom had been higher on your trust list? Whenyou'd stated that your last would go to Nog, Loslote, or Glirdan.

x'd with Nerwen and Loslote.

Loslote

02-09-2010, 01:39 AM

a note/question or two that I made after Glirdan's lynching.

Wilwa, you said that you wanted to trust Glirdan, but said you'd stay neutral on him; yet earlier had stated that you felt good about him. So how does a neutral get a vote from you?
Also, you ended up voting for Rune. Why him over Nog and Loslote whom had been higher on your trust list? Whenyou'd stated that your last would go to Nog, Loslote, or Glirdan.

You know, the more I think about it, the more Wilwa looks iffy. Who did she vote before that? Fea and Form. Fea's been the amusing innocent the whole game - has anyone ever suspected her? I don't think so. A very safe vote. This is not to say I suspect her. Actually, I'm pretty sure she *is* innocent, which is why the fact that Wilwa and Glirdy both voted for her is a bit suspicious.

Isabellkya

02-09-2010, 01:59 AM

Votes as they were made, so ... kind of messy. In a sense.

SimonFea -> Wilwa (2)
Pitch -> Eonwe, Loslote
Loslote -> Zil, Glirdan, Nog
Pitch -> Nerwen, Fea
Fea -> Wilwa (3), Izzy
Glirdan -> Wilwa (4), Nog (2)
Wilwa -> Pitch, Fea (2)
Zil -> Nog (3), Pitch
Brin -> Izzy (2)
Fea -> Nerwen (2)
Wilwa -> Form
Rune -> Fea (3), Wilwa (5)
Nog -> Rune, Zil (2), Loslote (2)
Wilwa -> Rune (2), Glirdan (2)
Glirdan -> Fea (4)
Nog -> Form (2)
Rune -> Form (3)
Eonwe -> Nerwen (3), Fea (5)
Nerwen -> Brin, Izzy (3)
Fea -> Eonwe (2)
Izzy -> Nerwen (4), Zil (3)
Glirdan -> Loslote (3)
Zil -> Nerwen (5)
Eonwe -> Zil (4)
Eonwe -> Nog (4)
Form -> Zil (5), Wilwa (6), Rune (3), Izzy (4)
Izzy -> Brin (2), Rune (4)
Zil -> Brin (3)
Song/Poem -> Fea (6), Loslote (4), Eonwe (3)

Glirdan 2
Brin 3
Eonwe 3
Form 3
Izzy 4
Loslote 4
Nog 4
Rune 4
Nerwen 5
Zil 5
Fea 6
Wilwa 6

x'd with Loslote and fixed tags, strike through doesn't work?

Isabellkya

02-09-2010, 02:21 AM

Isabellkya

02-09-2010, 03:01 AM

#215 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623095&postcount=215)

Trust:
Lottie
Nog
Zil
Fea

Unsure, lean innocent:
Wilwa
Glirdy
Nerwen
Pitchie

Unsure, lean evil:
?Brinn
Formy
Izzy

Suspect:
Steve
Rune

#276 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623175&postcount=276) responds to Eonwe's #230, Pitch's #269, and my own #270. But somehow missed/skipped over Nerwen's #225 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623107&postcount=225) where she asks Loslote about the placement of BRin and myself on her unsure, lean evil list; as well as why she suspects Rune.

#277 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623176&postcount=277)
Votes for Zil, Nog and Glirdan.

#289 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623194&postcount=289),
"I trust Pitchie more or less, but don't really want to vote him. He seems to be getting enough votes to be safe for toDay - I think I'll leave it at that and vote someone I don't want to die but doesn't have many votes."

- At the time of her #289, Pitch had received two votes. Not entirely sure how that speaks of safety.

#305 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623216&postcount=305)
Doesn't mind if Brin, Rune or Form go. Is considering voting for Nerwen, as well as Pitch or Fea for innocentishness or Wilwa for Simon.

#309 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623220&postcount=309)Would like to see Rune go over Glirdan.

#314 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623225&postcount=314) Replies back to Brin. Says she would like to see Brin stay, even though earlier she'd stated that she wouldn't mind seeing Brin go.

#331 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623242&postcount=331)

Trust:
Lottie
Nog
Zil
Glirdy
Fea
Wilwa

Unsure, lean innocent:
Nerwen
Formy

Unsure, lean evil:
?Brinn
Izzy

Suspect:
Steve
Rune

- Glirdan and Wilwa moved from the unsure-lean-innocent list, to the trust list. Form moved from the unsure-lean-evil list to the unsure-lean-innocent list.

#339 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=623250&postcount=339).
Responds to Eonwe asking her why she posted her #215 list.
"*sigh* I did have suspicions of them at the time. I also had justification. What's happened toDay (with the exception of Formy, Wilwa, and Fea, who look better now) hasn't changed that much."

- How do Form, Wilwa and Fea look better?
------------------------------------

I'm still.. confused as to why she suspects Rune, and to some extent Eonwe. I don't think there were any explanations as to why people moved on her list, or as to their placement.

Inziladun

02-09-2010, 06:37 AM

I'm still.. confused as to why [Loslote] suspects Rune, and to some extent Eonwe. I don't think there were any explanations as to why people moved on her list, or as to their placement.

Along those lines, I'm curious as to why, when I commented on many accepting Form as an innocent without any moddess confirmation:

Seems a lot were quick to assume so. :rolleyes:

Loslote's response was this:

It was not an assumption, it was a conclusion drawn after analysis looking at both possibilities. It does look like he's innocent, though.

But now, with respect to Form she's moved back to suspecting him:

Formy and Wilwa look pretty bad to me, but I don't *want* to suspect Wilwa. She seems so helpful...although thinking about it, I can't remember why, she just seems good. Huh.

Nerwen

02-09-2010, 07:20 AM

Back again... I had to go out before.

Interesting points on Lottie from Izzy and Zil. She's also had both known wolves vote for her– although, with everyone having four votes, and her being very active this game, that may not mean anything.

But now, with respect to Form she's moved back to suspecting him:

Well, to be fair, that was after analysing Glirdan's posts– and yet, I can't see that her analysis supports her conclusions. So Glirdan wavered about Form... so what? (In a similar vein, why the completely opposite judgements on Wilwa and Nog? Lottie?)

–Not that I think we should start treating Form as an absolutely known innocent either. Any game devised by the mind of Sally is liable to have some strange twists in it...

wilwarin538

02-09-2010, 07:27 AM

Quick responses, then off to school. Should be around randomly throughout the day since I don't listen in class ^_^

*snuggles myself, for I am the best and the snuggliest*

agrees

1. If it wasn't a Ranger kill...are we blessed with really lazy werewolves who forgot to send in a kill or something? If so, my thanks, Wolves. :p

OR, our Moddess is Sally. ;) Whatever the reason it's just really awesome. Perhaps because there was a revenge kill that was an innocent?

[
Formy and Wilwa look pretty bad to me, but I don't *want* to suspect Wilwa. She seems so helpful...although thinking about it, I can't remember why, she just seems good. Huh.

Wilwa, you said that you wanted to trust Glirdan, but said you'd stay neutral on him; yet earlier had stated that you felt good about him. So how does a neutral get a vote from you?
Also, you ended up voting for Rune. Why him over Nog and Loslote whom had been higher on your trust list? Whenyou'd stated that your last would go to Nog, Loslote, or Glirdan.

K, to answer both of these. Glirdan and I always suspect each other for some screwed up reason, and when we do we are always wrong. So I was trying not to suspect him because I figured it was just out of habit and nothing concrete (I think he was attempting to do the same thing, and now I see that he was probably just trying to get my trust, and I'm angry that I didn't just go after him like always). It's also his first real game in forever (since he died first day on the last one) and I kinda wanted him to stay around for a little while. I also didn't want all my votes yesterDay to go to all the same people as the Day before, and Nog and Lottie seemed like they were going to be fine, they were getting a fair amount of trust and I believe already had a few votes (Lottie also had that bonus vote). So I decided to vote for some people who didn't have too many, and who I didn't necessarily want to see lynched.

As I see it our votes don't all have to go to people we completely trust. If mine had I probably would have voted for all the same people I had the Day before and what fun is that? So I think some votes can go for people that you don't necessarily *trust* but also don't really suspect and want to have lynched. Just the way I see it.

I'll be back in a couple of hours, once I get to school.

x'ed with Nerwen

Inziladun

02-09-2010, 08:01 AM

Well, to be fair, that was after analysing Glirdan's posts– and yet, I can't see that her analysis supports her conclusions. So Glirdan wavered about Form... so what? (In a similar vein, why the completely opposite judgements on Wilwa and Nog? Lottie?)

Well, you're right in that the flip-flop came after she looked at Glirdan, but she doesn't explain in that analysis why Form looks bad again.

–Not that I think we should start treating Form as an absolutely known innocent either. Any game devised by the mind of Sally is liable to have some strange twists in it...

No, he doesn't get a free pass, even though I'm leaning toward thinking him more innocent than not. It's still odd that Nog and Rune were so quick to vote for him after the narrative in which he killed Pitch, though.

Rune Son of Bjarne

02-09-2010, 08:54 AM

I am afraid that today will be a quiet one for me, I will be online now and then again to vote arround midnight.

I for one did not assume Form to be a proven innocent, but I did not suspect him and the whole "lover" scenario did not make him look any worse. I did not vote for him at first as it would not have been wise strategically. . . (Form, Brinn and Me all being tied on 0 votes)

As for people voting for people low on their "trust-list". . . is that not a normal part of the game? I assume that some votes will be cast for simons and others will be to protect people from lynching. (sometimes you protect people you don't particular trust)

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-09-2010, 09:00 AM

Fea's been the amusing innocent the whole game - has anyone ever suspected her? I don't think so. A very safe vote. This is not to say I suspect her. Actually, I'm pretty sure she *is* innocent, which is why the fact that Wilwa and Glirdy both voted for her is a bit suspicious.

I'm confused about why people voting for somebody you're pretty sure is innocent is suspicious. We are supposed to vote for people we think are innocent, right? So what's this suspicion for?

wilwarin538

02-09-2010, 09:11 AM

Fea, I think what she's saying is that you are a safe vote since so many vote for you, so it makes Glirdy and I look bad like we're just voting for you cause you're "safe", which a wolf would want to do. Which is odd, cause why does it only look bad for me, and not all the others who voted for Fea (since there are obvisously alot, considering she's been Simon twice)? So I get what you're saying Lottie, but I also don't completely understand it. Yes, that makes sense.

Whether the whole Lover Revenge Kill thing had happened or not I would still find Form innocent. Just because I don't get any bad vibes at all, and the whole Lover thing makes me feel better about him, since *most* of the time Lovers are both innocents. I of course could be sorely mistaken, it has been known to happen coughglirdancough.

wilwarin538

02-09-2010, 10:11 AM

(In a similar vein, why the completely opposite judgements on Wilwa and Nog? Lottie?)

I am also curious about this, since Glirdy was far more adament about Nog's innocence then he was for mine.

oh, and

Glirdan was lynched. As Diller, he had plans to rule you all.

anyone have any idea what this might mean???

Talk people, I'm in class here bored out of my mind, I need some action! :cool:

I'm gonna go make a new list, some people have shifted around a bit....

Formendacil

02-09-2010, 10:27 AM

Just in case any of you were unaware of this yet--it's really quite difficult to get back into the swing of a WW game when you've effectively missed Days 1 and 2. You remember what I said back on Day 1 about mixing up deadlines? Well... I agreed to play because I thought the deadline Sally gave me was 10:00 my time, not, as it in fact is, 8:00. You saw what happened as a result of this on Day 1... well, Day 2 was about the same. I was lucky I got back in time to vote at all. As far as the Lover Revenge Kill goes, we're talking about a process that involved Sally texting me while I was gone for the weekend, me not texting back until we were well into Day 2, and I had still not seen what had happened--I only knew that my beloved Nienna was dead, and I had to lash out in fury.

(By the way, I'm very grateful indeed to my dead Hunter-Lover for imploring Sally to give me my kill mid-Day, given how low a profile I was proving to have yesterDay.)

Anyway, there was definitely a question of "who to kill?" and I was working off a hazy memory of Day 1... while driving through heavy winds up the "interstate" (we don't actually have interstates in Canada, but this expresses better for an American what I mean than "highway"). The last I had talked with my beautiful Nienna, she had been hunting Zil and Mira--in that order.

Ergo, my village, we have a Known Innocent: Zil wasn't killed, though he was first pick. At least, this is how Nienna and I understood it. So even if you won't accept that I am a Known Innocent (though as near as I can tell from Sally's poem, I seem to meet the qualifications of the One Hit Wonder), I hope you'll recognise that Inziladun is.

Anyway...

Since Zil was innocent and Mira was dead, I was out of people to vent my distraught rage against. So...

Pitchwife wasn't exactly random, but he was a shot in the dark... which obviously went awry.

And that's the story of my foiled, mad attempt to revenge myself for the death of the Most Beautiful Hunter in the World. The world is now a sad, grey, empty place without Nienna! Alas, alas for our love!

wilwarin538

02-09-2010, 10:30 AM

My current list.

Trust
Fea
Form

Mostly Trust
Rune
Nerwen

Mostly Trusted YesterDay, not as sure now
Nog - moved down a notch cause of Glirdan trusting him SO much, but that's about it, nothing really bad from what I see
Lottie - a few things she said toDay seem to suggest she's stretching a bit now, but I've trusted her so far so I don't like fully suspect her as of yet

Sorta Trust
Brinn
Inzil

Don't Really Trust
Izzy
Eonwe

I am now in an important class so I'm gonna disappear for about an hour and a half and try to pay attention to the neurotransmitters and proteins and myelin...not that there's much going on here anyway, considering I just triple posted over a 1 hour period....:rolleyes:

x'ed with Form, yay!!! action!

wilwarin538

02-09-2010, 10:36 AM

Ergo, my village, we have a Known Innocent: Zil wasn't killed, though he was first pick. At least, this is how Nienna and I understood it.

That's how I understood it aswell. Cool beans!

Leaving for real now.

Isabellkya

02-09-2010, 10:47 AM

Yes there is going to be voting for people whom aren't on our to trust lists, but whom we may or may not want to protect.

However, I don't think it is an outrageous or bothersome thought/request - that people put game related reasons with their votes. Or some statement saying why they are voting x person over y person. Otherwise it leaves a giant gaping door open, for people to not commit to their thoughts. As well, as people being able to vote for someone whom they perhaps think is evil - and won't be called on it.

satansaloser2005

02-09-2010, 12:20 PM

Maybe there's a secret special role that's immortal, or something.

Moddess, do I have to use up my votes from yesterDay, or do I still have 4 as usual?

EDIT:X'd with Brinn.

Just use your four like normal. *nods*

anyone have any idea what this might mean???

Look at my and Phantom's narration. That'll give you a clue. (It'll make a lot more sense when I tidy up Mira and Nienna's narration and get it posted, which will happen soon I promise.)

Just in case any of you were unaware of this yet--it's really quite difficult to get back into the swing of a WW game when you've effectively missed Days 1 and 2. You remember what I said back on Day 1 about mixing up deadlines? Well... I agreed to play because I thought the deadline Sally gave me was 10:00 my time, not, as it in fact is, 8:00. You saw what happened as a result of this on Day 1... well, Day 2 was about the same. I was lucky I got back in time to vote at all. As far as the Lover Revenge Kill goes, we're talking about a process that involved Sally texting me while I was gone for the weekend, me not texting back until we were well into Day 2, and I had still not seen what had happened--I only knew that my beloved Nienna was dead, and I had to lash out in fury.

(By the way, I'm very grateful indeed to my dead Hunter-Lover for imploring Sally to give me my kill mid-Day, given how low a profile I was proving to have yesterDay.)

Anyway, there was definitely a question of "who to kill?" and I was working off a hazy memory of Day 1... while driving through heavy winds up the "interstate" (we don't actually have interstates in Canada, but this expresses better for an American what I mean than "highway"). The last I had talked with my beautiful Nienna, she had been hunting Zil and Mira--in that order.

Ergo, my village, we have a Known Innocent: Zil wasn't killed, though he was first pick. At least, this is how Nienna and I understood it. So even if you won't accept that I am a Known Innocent (though as near as I can tell from Sally's poem, I seem to meet the qualifications of the One Hit Wonder), I hope you'll recognise that Inziladun is.

Anyway...

Since Zil was innocent and Mira was dead, I was out of people to vent my distraught rage against. So...

Pitchwife wasn't exactly random, but he was a shot in the dark... which obviously went awry.

And that's the story of my foiled, mad attempt to revenge myself for the death of the Most Beautiful Hunter in the World. The world is now a sad, grey, empty place without Nienna! Alas, alas for our love!

Yeah, sorry about that, dear. My internet went out as I was trying to PM you and I wanted to make sure you had time do think of who to kill, etc. And then Nienna woke me up in the middle of a really nice coma to insist that I put up your narration and stuff. Be lucky that she was paranoid you'd die, or I'd have kept sleeping. ;)

That's how I understood it aswell. Cool beans!

Leaving for real now.

That is in fact how it works. Kudos. :)

And now I need some lunch. Emptying my PM box right now so if you've got any questions feel free to PM me and I'll get back to you ASAP.

Eönwë

02-09-2010, 01:45 PM

So there was no kill. This game seems to be going better than most... I mean it's only Day 3 and 2 wolves are dead, compared to only 2 ordos and a hunter.

I think the no-kill this leaves us with a few options:

1. The wolves forgot to vote.
2. The wolves did not get their kill because there was a lover kill.
3. The One Hit Wonder affected the wolves' kill in some way- either the target was the One Hit Wonder or their powers affected the voting in some way- remember that they don't know who they were:
Now do not forget this special role
For it is not known to the one who it holds
4. There is some other special role that was hidden.
5. Sally is being Sallyish- anything is possible!

As the One Hit Wonder is good as is said in The Epic Poem "them you should not fear; Their power is great, and their logic is clear" and if we assume that if there are any secret roles they are good (as the start of the a quarter of the village was werewolf) this leaves us with a ratio of 9:2 (goodies:wolves), which means we have 3 Days to get a wolf.

Inziladun

02-09-2010, 01:56 PM

With Izzy's last second vote for Brinn, which, as she would have thought, tied her with Glirdan, I'm quite comfortable with Izzy now.

Let's look at her vote tally from yesterDay.

Votes as they were made, so ... kind of messy. In a sense.

SimonFea -> Wilwa (2)
Pitch -> Eonwe, Loslote
Loslote -> Zil, Glirdan, Nog
Pitch -> Nerwen, Fea
Fea -> Wilwa (3), Izzy
Glirdan -> Wilwa (4), Nog (2)
Wilwa -> Pitch, Fea (2)
Zil -> Nog (3), Pitch
Brin -> Izzy (2)
Fea -> Nerwen (2)
Wilwa -> Form
Rune -> Fea (3), Wilwa (5)
Nog -> Rune, Zil (2), Loslote (2)
Wilwa -> Rune (2), Glirdan (2)
Glirdan -> Fea (4)
Nog -> Form (2)
Rune -> Form (3)
Eonwe -> Nerwen (3), Fea (5)
Nerwen -> Brin, Izzy (3)
Fea -> Eonwe (2)
Izzy -> Nerwen (4), Zil (3)
Glirdan -> Loslote (3)
Zil -> Nerwen (5)
Eonwe -> Zil (4)
Eonwe -> Nog (4)
Form -> Zil (5), Wilwa (6), Rune (3), Izzy (4)
Izzy -> Brin (2), Rune (4)
Zil -> Brin (3)
Song/Poem -> Fea (6), Loslote (4), Eonwe (3)

Glirdan 2
Brin 3
Eonwe 3
Form 3
Izzy 4
Loslote 4
Nog 4
Rune 4
Nerwen 5
Zil 5
Fea 6
Wilwa 6

I'm noting this:

Loslote -> Zil, Glirdan, Nog

this,

Glirdan -> Wilwa (4), Nog (2)
Glirdan -> Fea (4)
Glirdan -> Loslote (3)

and this

Nog -> Rune, Zil (2), Loslote (2)
Nog -> Form (2)

Here's what strikes me:

A known wolf voted for Nog and Loslote.
Loslote voted for the wolf and Nog.
Nog voted for Loslote.

Granted, when everyone has four votes, coincidences can happen. But can all that be happenstance?

x/d with Eönwë

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-09-2010, 02:21 PM

I'm off to work. I'll be back about an hour and a half before DL when I'll decide what to do with my Simon-ness for toDay. I'm open to suggestions.

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-09-2010, 02:22 PM

A known wolf voted for Nog and Loslote.
Loslote voted for the wolf and Nog.
Nog voted for Loslote.

Granted, when everyone has four votes, coincidences can happen. But can all that be happenstance?

I think you have a very good point.

Formendacil

02-09-2010, 02:26 PM

It's be interesting to know what the One-Hit Wonder can do--or could do, rather. If the One-Hit Wonder could save themself, then we would have another Known Innocent if they came out.

On the other hand, if they could save someone else, ala a Ranger, then if they came out we could have two more Known Innocents. However, I doubt this scenario is the case, since the game has an actual Ranger.

On the third hand (heh--I saw reference to those earlier), perhaps it's a blanket injunction--in which case I'm not sure we could have a Known Innocent... though the pandemonium that ensued could be interesting.

All that this really proves is that not putting all the roles and rules out in the open sparks more talk than anything else.

Eönwë

02-09-2010, 03:10 PM

Granted, when everyone has four votes, coincidences can happen. But can all that be happenstance?

Well, just looking quickly at yesterDay I can see:

Glirdan -> Wilwa (4), Nog (2)
Wilwa -> Pitch, Fea (2)
Wilwa -> Form
Rune -> Fea (3), Wilwa (5)
Wilwa -> Rune (2), Glirdan (2)
Glirdan -> Fea (4)
Rune -> Form (3)
Glirdan -> Loslote (3)

Wilwa votes Rune and Glirdywolf
Rune votes Wilwa
Glirdan votes Wilwa

I admit that it's not as strong, but I'm just saying that these things do happen, so I don't think we can base an argument solely on this- if you do find something suspicious, then this is a good thing to strengthen it, but I don't think it's evidence enough to be incriminating.

satansaloser2005

02-09-2010, 03:32 PM

It's be interesting to know what the One-Hit Wonder can do--or could do, rather. If the One-Hit Wonder could save themself, then we would have another Known Innocent if they came out.

On the other hand, if they could save someone else, ala a Ranger, then if they came out we could have two more Known Innocents. However, I doubt this scenario is the case, since the game has an actual Ranger.

On the third hand (heh--I saw reference to those earlier), perhaps it's a blanket injunction--in which case I'm not sure we could have a Known Innocent... though the pandemonium that ensued could be interesting.

All that this really proves is that not putting all the roles and rules out in the open sparks more talk than anything else.

*enjoys*

:smokin:

wilwarin538

02-09-2010, 03:33 PM

It's be interesting to know what the One-Hit Wonder can do--or could do, rather. If the One-Hit Wonder could save themself, then we would have another Known Innocent if they came out.

They don't know who they are as I understand it: "Now do not forget this special role For it is not known to the one who it holds". Does that not mean that they don't know they have this role?

And didn't you say this earlier Form?:

though as near as I can tell from Sally's poem, I seem to meet the qualifications of the One Hit Wonder

Which you are, I guess, not sticking with since now you're talking about the One Hit Wonder revealing. And by the way, I don't agree with it because in Sally's poem it also says that: "them you should not fear; Their power is great, and their logic is clear". Which I doubt she would say if it was possible for them to kill an innocent, like what happened with the revenge kill. So I don't think you meet the qualifications.

So from what I can tell either the One Hit Wonder is what happened last Night, or it hasn't happened yet.

A known wolf voted for Nog and Loslote.
Loslote voted for the wolf and Nog.
Nog voted for Loslote.

Granted, when everyone has four votes, coincidences can happen. But can all that be happenstance?

This is interesting, but like you say coincidences are bound to happen, especially when 16 people have 4 votes. I think the further into the game we get, the more information we have, the more concrete this type of analysis will be. Not that it should be completely neglected, but it probably isn't something that can stand on it's own, it would need other things to back it up (like Eonwe just said).

x'ed with Sally, who I know has an evil grin on her face right now and is possibly cackling...

Formendacil

02-09-2010, 03:37 PM

Which you are, I guess, not sticking with since now you're talking about the One Hit Wonder revealing. And by the way, I don't agree with it because in Sally's poem it also says that: "them you should not fear; Their power is great, and their logic is clear". Which I doubt she would say if it was possible for them to kill an innocent, like what happened with the revenge kill. So I don't think you meet the qualifications.

Yes, I originally thought I might be, because I was skimming through the poem looking for proof that as the lover, I was a Good Guy... that was the closest I got. It didn't even occur to me that the One Hit Wonder probably made last night happen. Hence the later turn around--I knew I didn't do that, whatever else I may have done.

Eönwë

02-09-2010, 03:39 PM

Ok, so since there's nothing going on now I think a list is in order:

Trust:

No-one. It gets harder to form a definite opinion either way as the game progresses.

Seem Innocent:
Inzil- Well, Formy says that he's innocent and from what Sally's said it seems that he is. He's seemed relatively innocent throughout anyway, so it's not too hard for me to believe.

Not likely to be evil:
Form- Well he might be a wolf, but then being paired with a hunter would be quite strange. I don't know. He hasn't really done anything suspicious, but then again he's said little so I don't know.

Fea- I would have added her to the the "worried about" list, but she's always like this so I don't think her being on the top of everyone's list makes her any more suspicious. And yes, she does look innocent.

Not sure:

Izzy- Well, she's started posting a lot again and this is good. Yet she hasn't really told what she thinks of everyone. On the other had, what she does say seems innocent. And we all know how sharp she is, so I don't want her to go, at least not yet.

Lottie- Not sure about her. She was in the list below for being constantly on the top of people's lists, but since she's been attacked toDay, it makes her seem less 'untouchable'. As for her actually being good or evil, I'm not sure. She posts a lot, but this doesn't make her seem either.

Rune- Very tricksy. I'm not sure what I think about him. He's not afraid to go against the crowd, but I don't know how bold he is as a wolf.

Worried about- look fair but feel foul (or at least the text equivalent):

Wilwa- Seems too perfect. Everyone says she's innocent, but without any good reason. She has kept a relatively low profile, not saying anything that's too against the general feeling, and is just careful in general. She seems to have been at the top of everyone's lists the whole time, which is quite disconcerting. But she may actually just be a very careful innocent, I don't know.

Brinn- I'm very confused about her. She hasn't seemed like an ordo so far, but yesterDay with the votes that made me think she must be. However, that may have just been a double bluff to try and get people to vote for her while she was actually a very worried wolf in reality.

Nerwen- She's also seemed innocent throughout. She has made quite a few good points here and there, also seems to have maintained a low profile, and stayed in the top half (but near the middle) of most people's lists, which is the place that has worried me most in this game.

Suspicious of:

Nog- Started off loud, but has got quieter over the course of the game. After the first Day when all the attention was on him, he seems to be trying to sneak into the background while still leaching off everyone's previous trust for him.

Nogrod

02-09-2010, 03:43 PM

It was a longer day I thought it would be but I'm finally back...

Just a few comments after a quick read.

I see Brinn has a point: Izzy and Inzil could very well be innocents looking at their voting. But I must say there is a small "but" involved and that is Brinn's innocence.

If Brinn is a wolf it meant that two wolves were facing a lynch and I could see why the third wolf would rather have Brinn around than Glirdy who was clearly arousing suspicion left and right.

Looking at the "independent" (in relation to Brinn's testimony) report by Form that Nienna was hunting first Inzil and only second Mira, it would talk on behalf of Inzil's innocence.

Well enough for me for the time being, as the chance these both claims could be untrue is that we have now three wolves instead of two (it would mean we have had five wolves in a village of just 16 and I'd say that would be really unfair from Sally!) - or a very acute cobbler (which is possible even if not that believable).

So I'd believe Inzil to be innocent.

I'd also say that either Brinn and Izzy are innocents or then they both are wolves.

Coming to the issue of Glirdy then...

He was openly "trusting me" from the D1, up to being annoying - and thus screaming a wolf to me. And I think I made that clear that I thought his "rubbing me the right way" was quite the wrong way with me. So do you really think that if I was a wolf I would have just told him during the Night "oh, keep up the good work the next Day as well"? I mean really.

Lottie's vote for Glirdan is an interesting one. I have kind of liked her reasonableness thus far but her vote on Glirdy came quite out of the blue. He was in her "unsure, lean innocent" group in a list earlier yesterDay, but I didn't find any straight comments on him (didn't scroll through every page). If there was some reason, especially a reason you stated Lottie, would you enlighten us? That sure makes one wonder as I think it was clear there were not to many votes coming for trust to Glirdy yesterDay - and making an early vote for that as well (yeah, superbowl-party is a good reason, but still).

I'm more or less undecided on wilwa's vote for Glirdy. On the one hand I can understand the relationship-story, on the other I can't see why wouldn't they capitulate on that if they had a chance...

Now correct me if I miised something, but at my quick skim I found the following.

Voting for Glirdy

D1
wilwa
Brinn
Mira (wolf)

D2
Lottie
wilwa

One thing we'd need to assess as well is when the voting was done eg. what was the situation, the general mood looking at survival of this or that person etc. We're not going to make educated guesses without these considerations - like many people vote for x as y who they think is very good seems to have a host of votes enough / wolves might feel a need to vote for their companion in one situation while in another they wouldn't.

Okay. Now I need to take a break...

EDIT: no wonder... x'd with a host...

satansaloser2005

02-09-2010, 03:44 PM

Not possibly cackling, Wilwa dear. Definitely cackling. :Merisu:

Nogrod

02-09-2010, 03:57 PM

Suspicious of:

Nog- Started off loud, but has got quieter over the course of the game. After the first Day when all the attention was on him, he seems to be trying to sneak into the background while still leaching off everyone's previous trust for him.Heh, did you believe I was going to be silent the whole Day and tried to sniff the wind "the right way"?

Sorry, my day was full and I only got online now.

I see some pretty heavy opportunism here... and I'm not liking it.

Eönwë

02-09-2010, 04:12 PM

Heh, did you believe I was going to be silent the whole Day and tried to sniff the wind "the right way"?

Sorry, my day was full and I only got online now.

I see some pretty heavy opportunism here... and I'm not liking it.

Ok, I admit that I was wrong. It turns out you posted 14 times yesterDay and 13 the Day before. However, you have to admit that you've become less controversial since Day 1, and actually you're not your usual relentless self. It might be because you have less time now, but I'm used to you being much more controversial and aggressive, so I was a bit surprised.

wilwarin538

02-09-2010, 04:19 PM

So I have a thought about the Glirdan lynch. I think the two remaining wolves may more likely be in the group of people who voted earlier, rather then those closer to the end. Because considering they had already lost 1 wolf if a few saw that Glirdan was in a lot of danger I would think that they would try to protect him more if they had a chance. So those who voted closer to the end of the Day and didn't vote for him when it was clear he was in danger, look a bit better to me.

So, copying this from Izzy:

SimonFea -> Wilwa (2)
Pitch -> Eonwe, Loslote
Loslote -> Zil, Glirdan, Nog
Pitch -> Nerwen, Fea
Fea -> Wilwa (3), Izzy
Glirdan -> Wilwa (4), Nog (2)
Wilwa -> Pitch, Fea (2)
Zil -> Nog (3), Pitch
Brin -> Izzy (2)
Fea -> Nerwen (2)
Wilwa -> Form
Rune -> Fea (3), Wilwa (5)
Nog -> Rune, Zil (2), Loslote (2)
Wilwa -> Rune (2), Glirdan (2)
Glirdan -> Fea (4)
Nog -> Form (2)
Rune -> Form (3)
Eonwe -> Nerwen (3), Fea (5)
Nerwen -> Brin, Izzy (3)
Fea -> Eonwe (2)
Izzy -> Nerwen (4), Zil (3)
Glirdan -> Loslote (3)
Zil -> Nerwen (5)
Eonwe -> Zil (4)
Eonwe -> Nog (4)
Form -> Zil (5), Wilwa (6), Rune (3), Izzy (4)
Izzy -> Brin (2), Rune (4)
Zil -> Brin (3)
Song/Poem -> Fea (6), Loslote (4), Eonwe (3)

So the last vote for Glirdan was by me, about halfway through the votes. At that point he was tied for 2 with a fair number of people. The point where he seemed to be in the most danger would be about around his own vote for Lottie, since by then alot of the 2 people were bumped up to 3 and he was still at 2.

So this makes Zil look quite good, he voted for someone who already had 4 votes, and then his last one chose Brinn over Glirdan, so there seemed to be no attempt on his part to help Glirdan. (could mean differently for him if Brinn is a wolf though)

Eonwe also looks fairly good, voting for 2 people who were at 3 votes at that point, so also seeming to not put any effort in protecting Glirdan.

Form also voted for people who already had a good amount of votes. Izzy too pretty much. So those 4 especially I see didn't really try at all to protect Glirdan when it was a good chance that he could be lynched. This of course doesn't clear them, they could have just thought it was too risky to put themselves out there to protect him, since it would likely draw attention to them the following Day. But still, for me atleast I think it makes them look a bit better.

So really the ones who look bad are me and Lottie, since we are the only 2 who voted for him. I know I'm innocent. Lottie I'm not so sure of, it could be a notch against her, I don't really know. I want to trust her, but there all a few little things that make me uneasy. I likely won't vote for her toDay.

So basically I think the wolves would more likely be in the earlier voters, since at that point it is pretty unclear who's gonna go (since a ton of people were all tied for 1 and then 2 votes) and so they may not have thought Glirdan would be in danger, and therefore used their votes on other packmates perhaps instead.

Anyway, off to do some studying, big big big test on Thursday...

I'll be back in a few hours..

x'ed with Eonwe

Eönwë

02-09-2010, 04:42 PM

Ok, well I can't survive on 4 hours of sleep like yesterDay, so I'm going to try to vote earlier toDay.

I'll start with:

++Inzil

Isabellkya

02-09-2010, 05:25 PM

Just a note, then I'm eating lunch, then I'm coming back.

Eonwe, I posted my thoughts on everyone towards the end of yesterDay. Just got home, so haven't posted a revised list toDay.

Wilwa, I was for the opposite actually. I stated that I wanted to see Loslote or Glirdan go over Brin. I think there was another candidate that was in danger of being lynched when I made the statement, but can't recall who - I think it was Eonwe. My last two votes were made with an extra thought. I was trying to boost other people whom were in danger up, so it wouldn't turn into a massive tie. That it would at the worst, end up in a two/three way tie with Glirdan being one of them.

Nogrod

02-09-2010, 05:28 PM

I think the two remaining wolves may more likely be in the group of people who voted earlier, rather then those closer to the end. Because considering they had already lost 1 wolf if a few saw that Glirdan was in a lot of danger I would think that they would try to protect him more if they had a chance. So those who voted closer to the end of the Day and didn't vote for him when it was clear he was in danger, look a bit better to me.So are you suggesting that people choose their time-zones on the basis of a ww-game situations? :rolleyes:

Anyway. I see your point and agree with it that those who left Glirdy to die at the late moments look better - unless another wolf was at the fray as well. But be that as it may, I'm a bit curious as to why you press this point as much as you do...
So the last vote for Glirdan was by me, about halfway through the votes. At that point he was tied for 2 with a fair number of people. The point where he seemed to be in the most danger would be about around his own vote for Lottie, since by then alot of the 2 people were bumped up to 3 and he was still at 2. So basically I think the wolves would more likely be in the earlier voters, since at that point it is pretty unclear who's gonna go (since a ton of people were all tied for 1 and then 2 votes) and so they may not have thought Glirdan would be in danger, and therefore used their votes on other packmates perhaps instead.I mean where did you see the supporting votes to go Glirdy's way to come from, at any part of the Day? I'd say an early vote to Glirdy - and then crossing fingers - would be all his mates could do.

Do correct me if I have lost the host of confidence-pledges to him... but I think it was quite obvious he was a main candidate all Day long; not so much as someone everyone suspected but as one none wished to put into their fave-four. Not the only one though (as could be seen from the votes). So the wolves would need to try something or just offer him as a sacrifical lamb there - but having lost one already with Nienna I'd doubt the latter. So I would think it believable at least one wolf would have tried to save him with an early vote. Be it you wilwa or Lottie, hard to say. Or maybe it was you both? That would explain your to and fro with Lottie and concentrating on any early voters rather than on Glirdan-voters... (okay, I can understand why you wouldn't wish to concentrate on the Glirdy-voters only even if you were innocent...)

Eönwë

02-09-2010, 05:33 PM

Eonwe, I posted my thoughts on everyone towards the end of yesterDay. Just got home, so haven't posted a revised list toDay.

Ah. I'm sorry, I totally forgot. I've actually been meaning to ask about that. What does this bit mean?
Would vote for
Nerwen/Zil
Rune/Brin
Wilwa/Eonwe
Form/Pitch
Fea/Nog
Loslote/Glirdan
Would not vote for

Eönwë

02-09-2010, 05:55 PM

Ok, well since nothing seems to be happening on this thread, I'll post mine now:

++Izzy
++Form
++Fea

wilwarin538

02-09-2010, 06:02 PM

Wilwa, I was for the opposite actually. I stated that I wanted to see Loslote or Glirdan go over Brin. I think there was another candidate that was in danger of being lynched when I made the statement, but can't recall who - I think it was Eonwe. My last two votes were made with an extra thought. I was trying to boost other people whom were in danger up, so it wouldn't turn into a massive tie. That it would at the worst, end up in a two/three way tie with Glirdan being one of them.

Yep, that's pretty much what I meant when I mentioned you in my last post, that your votes look pretty good because you did not try to protect him. Though I see what you mean that you didn't necessarily vote for people who had a lot, but either way you didn't vote to protect him, which I think looks good for you.

So are you suggesting that people choose their time-zones on the basis of a ww-game situations? :rolleyes:

Honestly I hadn't even thought about that. :rolleyes: I suppose that could affect my hypothesis then, couldn't it, haha...

Anyway. I see your point and agree with it that those who left Glirdy to die at the late moments look better - unless another wolf was at the fray as well. But be that as it may, I'm a bit curious as to why you press this point as much as you do...
I mean where did you see the supporting votes to go Glirdy's way to come from, at any part of the Day? I'd say an early vote to Glirdy - and then crossing fingers - would be all his mates could do.

Do correct me if I have lost the host of confidence-pledges to him... but I think it was quite obvious he was a main candidate all Day long; not so much as someone everyone suspected but as one none wished to put into their fave-four. Not the only one though (as could be seen from the votes). So the wolves would need to try something or just offer him as a sacrifical lamb there - but having lost one already with Nienna I'd doubt the latter. So I would think it believable at least one wolf would have tried to save him with an early vote. Be it you wilwa or Lottie, hard to say. Or maybe it was you both? That would explain your to and fro with Lottie and concentrating on any early voters rather than on Glirdan-voters... (okay, I can understand why you wouldn't wish to concentrate on the Glirdy-voters only even if you were innocent...)

About the first 2 paragraphs: I just think that considering they had just lost a wolf, that closer to the end of the Day (when it was far more clear then it had been earlier in the Day that he was in danger) if they had an oppurtunity to try and save them, then they would. I just find it odd that only 1 (if Lottie is guilty) or no wolves voted him yesterDay. It's like they didn't care if they lost another mate.

And of course I don't want to focus on Lottie's vote, it'd be slightly hypocritical of me to say "Lottie must be guilty because she voted for Glirdan"...that sheds quite a bit of spotlight on myself. I think anyone in my position would try and avoid that. ;)

Anyway, I know that both wolves did not try and protect Glirdan yesterDay, possibly only 1 did (making Lottie guilty) or neither did (which is so strange, like I said, it's like they didn't care about losing another mate so soon). Which is why I think they must have both voted earlier in the Day when they may not have thought Glirdan was in as much danger.

Anyway, back to studying concentration gradients, polarized neurons and membrane potentials...be back in maybe another hour or so.

x'ed with Eonwe

Inziladun

02-09-2010, 06:10 PM

I thought I would take a look at Lottie a little closer myself.

Discussing Form and his premature posting during the Night:

Either innocent!Formy posted by mistake (and I'd like to see his explaination for that before I consider him innocent) and wolf!RandomPoster saw this as an opportunity to...actually, that kind of falls apart. What would a wolf gain from posing early? Formy is starting to look like the only possible wolf in the bunch, just because he has a potential reason why he might post during the Night - to act like a clueless ordo, as I have said earlier.

Obviously we now know there was a wolf among the early posters, and it wasn't Form (that we know of).
In the same post she says:

I don't think more than one wolf would have posted among such a small group. It was, technically, still Night, so they would have been able to pm and plot mischief...and they wouldn't have lumped so many figurative eggs in one basket.

So by that logic, Form must be innocent, right?

This next was in response to my comment that a deliberate plot by a Formwolf to look innocent by posting early was unlikely.

Why would Formy not have come up with such a complicated plot? And why is it complicated? Look utterly clueless by forgetting the Night = no Night business = no wolf. Very simple. Very clever. Might have worked.

Then Izzy brought up the idea that some previous games had begun with a Day phase. Lottie took off with it and read into Izzy's post more than I did.

Really? That might change things. If Formy was used to starting with Day phases... Hey, Formy, which way do you normally start?

'Which way do you usually start?' My answer would be coffee! ;)

Now, this from Glirwolf, an analysis of Nienna.

Comments
Raised some valid points in most of her posts. She also talked agreed with Nog a lot as well which makes me more inclined to believe that he is innocent.

Much has been said already of Glirdan's apparent buttering up Nog, but Lottie was quick to latch onto the idea that Nienna's trust in Nog counted for something, which, since Nienna wasn't the Seer, doesn't mean a great deal.

Nice to know I'm not just silly and someone else noticed it, too...she does talk about/to him a lot, doesn't she? You'd almost think she was a seer and dreamed him...maybe that's why the wolves killed her, thinking she *was* the seer. Huh.

I found that very far-fetched, and an odd remark.

In response to Izzy saying she and Glirdan sounded very much alike, she said this:

I don't know why we sound identical. I have noticed that we've cross-posted pretty often, and I'll look over his posts and think "dang, he said it first," or "hey, he thought so too, I'm not silly" and I've said so. I have not been trying to agree with him, and since we've cross posted, I doubt if he's been trying to agree with me.

Conclusions? Lottie doesn't look particularly good. Add in the flip-flops on Form, and the vote connexions between her and Glirdan, and it looks no better for her.

x/d with Eönwë and Wilwa

Nerwen

02-09-2010, 06:45 PM

Okay. After Form's explanation toDay I think we can treat him and Zil as semi-known innocents, unless some really spectacular revelation occurs.

Conclusions? Lottie doesn't look particularly good. Add in the flip-flops on Form, and the vote connexions between her and Glirdan, and it looks no better for her.

Or, by extension, Nogrod (doesn't look too good to me in his own right, either).

I actually thought Lottie's Nienna-the-pseudo-Seer was a reasonable sort of theory at the time... but after the curious logical gymnastics that she used in her analysis of Glirdan, in which Form came out "pretty bad" for some reason, yet Nogrod remained pure as the driven snow... well.

Of course, if they are indeed packmates, Nogrod's now busy throwing Lottie under the bus, but what does that prove?

Nogrod

02-09-2010, 06:56 PM

Good points Inzil! I think we have a lynch candidate... along with wilwa I must say.

As I said just above - and which wilwa actually confirmed - it would have been very odd indeed if the wolves didn't try anything to save Glirdy yesterDay. I mean they could have counted on sympathy votes on D1 looking at Glirdy's terrible comeback a game before but on D2 they probably couldn't have counted on that anymore. And they were one down already.

So Lottie voted for him yesterDay out of the blue she hasn't yet explained why, and wilwa voted him on both Days (as said, she might have done that because of their rl friendship but if they were wolves together they would not have missed a chance to use that as an excuse).

I had actually forgotten that buttering up Lottie made on D1 as well. Looking at it now looks almost as bad as Glirdy's. (Is it just that middle-aged men don't feel so bad about younger women playing nice towards them than when young men do it? :rolleyes:) It might make sense though. With certain compilation of wolves I could see them talking together by Night: "let's be nice to the veterans, Nog, Fea, Nerwen & Brinn especially, so that they leave us in peace". Anyway it looks clear to me she has been very much trusting to Fea as well - and I haven't heard too many suspicions on Nerwen or Brinn either. So maybe there is some truth in there?

But if one looks at the buttering up, I think wilwa will still win the contest - if not on individual "I trust you soo much" -comments, but by the ever positive "I love you" and wrapping her suspicions in the "I want to trust her though" -remarks. If something is uncontroversial then that is. Looking at the votes she has gained she has succeeded in that quite well.

Remember the wolves need to make you feel good! The other innocents need to try everything - and that might mean also suspecting just you among others to see what comes.

So I'd say both Lottie & wilwa would be good candidates to lynch toDay.

On another scenario, I will not be voting for confidence toDay on Brinn as her nice remark on Izzy & Inzil saving her has been totally ignored by everyone. That would be exactly what a wolf-Brinn would / could have done! And that is not making a stance on Inzil or Izzy. She might have done that if one of the two was her mate or she could have done that if they were two innocents who just luckily saved her.

But whatever her role, she has totally managed to skim off any suspicions from her with that one post - at least I haven't seen anyone doubt her declaration at the start of the Day.

Okay. A short break and then voting...

EDIT: x'd with Nerwen

Formendacil

02-09-2010, 06:57 PM

I'm stealing a lonely 5 minutes away from "Human Formation"--tonight will be another "well, this would have worked better with the 10:00 deadline"--and I'll do the same--hopefully!--before the deadline.

Has anyone given thought to whom we should pick as Simon? Fea is ineligible, obviously.

Not, mind you, that I think we need to rig it, as we have a few "Semi-Known Innocents" who will likely accrue votes at a higher rate... but it occurred to me as something to consider, and I have to be back being formed into a Human much too soon to reflect whether or not it's a sane idea to ponder.

Formendacil

02-09-2010, 06:59 PM

Oh--and I do not right now think that I will be voting Wilwa, Lottie, or Steve.

Just so you know where my general "eermy" feelings lie.

satansaloser2005

02-09-2010, 06:59 PM

It's too quiet. :(

Whose Day is it for the song and dance routine? ;)

EDIT: x'd with a Noggin and two Forms. :D

Nogrod

02-09-2010, 07:07 PM

Of course, if they are indeed packmates, Nogrod's now busy throwing Lottie under the bus, but what does that prove?That I would be a megalomaniac fool wishing to try to survive alone against the whole village with the seer still alive... :p

You can think whatever you think of me, but that's just absurd.

I suggest you start thinking in some more logical ways, really... I can't stay up all Night correcting stuff like that. :)

Nerwen

02-09-2010, 07:27 PM

That I would be a megalomaniac fool wishing to try to survive alone against the whole village with the seer still alive... :p

You can think whatever you think of me, but that's just absurd.

Nonsense, my friend, you need to have more faith in yourself.:p

Seriously– let's just suppose I'm right about you for a moment– in this situation, what else could you do?

Brinniel

02-09-2010, 07:39 PM

On another scenario, I will not be voting for confidence toDay on Brinn as her nice remark on Izzy & Inzil saving her has been totally ignored by everyone. That would be exactly what a wolf-Brinn would / could have done! And that is not making a stance on Inzil or Izzy. She might have done that if one of the two was her mate or she could have done that if they were two innocents who just luckily saved her.
Hey, it's not my fault no one pays attention to my posts. Apparently, I'm easy to ignore... :rolleyes:

I would like to see Inziladun as our Simon because I believe he is the one I can trust most; I'm feeling pretty confident in his innocence.

Time for another vote:

++Formendacil

I thought he looked innocent before the whole revenge kill thing and toDay I think he is being truthful in his posts. He seems pretty trustworthy right now.

One more vote left, which I'll be making soon since my favourite show ever is on during the last hour of the Day.

So here's who we have left:

Inziladun
Fea
Formy
Izzy
Lottie
Nerwen
Nogrod
Rune
Eonwe
Wilwa

Two of these players are wolves. As of now, I'm feeling quite sure that Inzil, Izzy, and Formy are innocent. Which leaves the rest. I don't have much time to think, but I'll do my best.

Brinniel

02-09-2010, 07:41 PM

Votes so far...

Brinn-
Dun- 2
Fea- 1
Form- 2
Izzy- 2
Lottie-
Nerwen-
Nog-
Rune-
Steve-
Wilwa-

satansaloser2005

02-09-2010, 07:47 PM

Votes so far...

Brinn-
Dun- 2
Fea- 1
Form- 2
Izzy- 2
Lottie-
Nerwen-
Nog-
Rune-
Steve-
Wilwa-

Love you for this, by the way.

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-09-2010, 07:53 PM

So... I have a theory.

As to why nobody died last night.

Cursed villager.

I think we might have another bad guy.

:(

wilwarin538

02-09-2010, 07:58 PM

A list in the order that I trust people:

Inzil
Fea
Form
Nerwen
Rune
Nog
Brinn
Lottie
Izzy
Eonwe

So I'll just vote now then, cause I don't really see these changing:

++Inzil - I see him as being a known innocent, considering what Form said about Nienna's hunt choices, and since I trust Form

++Fea - still trust her completely.

++Form - because of the Lover thing and even from before that I did as well

++Nerwen - someone who kind of went under my radar for a bit, but now I'd like to keep her around

I'll still be around randomly for the next hour or so between study times.

x'ed with Fea...interesting, would make sense, seems like something Sally would do...

Nerwen

02-09-2010, 08:00 PM

++Inziladun Very probably innocent, so why not make him Simon?

++Brinn Because she hasn't got any votes yet, and I'd prefer not to see her lynched.

My other two votes I'll hold for the moment until it's clearer how the voting is going.

Failing a sudden gifted reveal or something, I don't think I'll be voting for Lottie, Nog or Wilwa. The odds that no member of that trio is a wolf don't look good to me.

EDIT:X'd since Sally.

Nogrod

02-09-2010, 08:01 PM

So then...

I'd suggest the lynch would go to Lottie or wilwa. They both voted Glirdan against any better judgement of an innocent - and they are smart people.

If not, then I'd think we should try Eönwë (his opportunism with first suddenly suspecting me after people had made some suspicious comments on me and I had not been around the whole Day - and then drawing it back immediately when I happened to come online - looks very suspicious indeed!)

Or Brinn the master-wolf whom no one suspects as she's so sneaky. If she is a wolf her post toDay was a masterpiece, but not the first she has made. It looks quite calculated - or then I'm just reading too much into her.

That will leave me with

Dun
Fea
Form
Izzy
Nerwen
Rune

I can vote Inzil for the double security (both Brinn and Form can't be lying while one of them can - unless there's a mysterious fifth wolf or one who plays to their hands)

++ Inzil

And I'm ready to see him as the Simon as he seems to be level-headed.

Of others, I still think Form would not have knowingly posted to the thread during the Night while discussing with other wolves. That is enough for me, at least now (who knows what kind of roles we have but it's vain to speculate on that kind of things now with no further knowledge).

++ Formendacil

And I have nothing agianst him being the Simon either.

If Brinn is a wolf then Izzy might be as well, but she has been reasonable and sharp enough toDay that I think she earns the place to live toMorrow.

++ Isabellkya

But where to put the last one?

I just plain feel awkward with this Fea-bandwagon of two Days now and leave choosing her to you others. Looking at her posts I have no reason to think her more innocent than anyone else.

Rune has been controversial to a point and said he'd have trouble with the internet connection toDay... but what Eönwë noted about the votes crossing Glirdan, wilwa and Rune I'm tempted not to vote him.

Nerwen has been mostly reasonable like she tends to be. But the fact that none supects her more tells me she is playing too carefully in a popularity based game, so I'm a bit torn about her...

Talking of which...
Seriously– let's just suppose I'm right about you for a moment– in this situation, what else could you do?Let me see.

Supposing I'd be a wolf (and supposing then also that Lottie would be my mate).

I'd probably have posted when I got online around 10PM (my time), said I was in a hurry, noted some "suspicious things"... then making a few nice words of you, Fea, Brinn, Izzy, Inzil etc... (to gain enough good will even if you disagreed with my negligence of talking about Lottie)... Then I'd have said it's just too late and I need to go - voting for confidence to those whom I thought were the leaders of the popular opinion. And I would be sleeping already.

Or I could have made a fervent defence of Lottie just for the sport of it. That would have been a nice challenge indeed and something worthy of trying. Had I succeeded, that would have been a heroic tale to remember. Thinking of it now, I could actually have tried that.

I've played alone as a wolf against a whole village once and that was enough for me - and there was no seer left there. I managed a few Days but it was hopeless and doomed.

And anyway: haven't I been controversial enough for the seer to check me? Would I do that as a wolf? That would be a death sentence.

Just out of curiosity: were you a wolf Nerwen, how would you have played differently? ;)

EDIT: x'd with more than I thought... & put the second last sentence to be the second last sentence as I had forgotten it into the middle...

Brinniel

02-09-2010, 08:02 PM

So... I have a theory.

As to why nobody died last night.

Cursed villager.

I think we might have another bad guy.
Ooh, that is something to consider. I hope it's not so, but it could very well be a possibility.

Nerwen

02-09-2010, 08:07 PM

So... I have a theory.

As to why nobody died last night.

Cursed villager.

I think we might have another bad guy.

:(

I was just thinking that myself... so we can't necessarily go on people's track records of seeming innocent. I mean, at least as far as who is "safe" to vote for. ToDay, though, I think it's more important to make sure one of the actually suspicious people does get lynched.

EDIT:X'd since my last post.

Formendacil

02-09-2010, 08:08 PM

So... I have a theory.

As to why nobody died last night.

Cursed villager.

I think we might have another bad guy.

:(

Oh. Dear.

*deep sighs*

But isn't the One Hit Wonder supposed to be a good guy?

*crosses fingers it is supposed to be a good guy*

*crosses fingers, then, that it was the One Hit Wonder last night*

*glares at Sally for good measure*

++ Inziladun
++ Fea
++ Isabelkya
++ Nerwen

I'm not sold on Izzy or Nerwen being innocent, but they look better to me than the others...

...sorry, Rune.

Brinniel

02-09-2010, 08:08 PM

Or Brinn the master-wolf whom no one suspects as she's so sneaky. If she is a wolf her post toDay was a masterpiece, but not the first she has made. It looks quite calculated - or then I'm just reading too much into her.
You are reading too much into this. I made that post and the votes early because I said I wouldn't be around much during the Day. I don't understand how you can suspect me with one of the reasons being that no one has paid attention to my early post. No matter what my role is, I have no control over how people may react to my posts.

satansaloser2005

02-09-2010, 08:09 PM

*glares at Sally for good measure*

I....love you?:Merisu:

Loslote

02-09-2010, 08:10 PM

Why did you vote for Glirdan, Loslote? Or for any of the people whom you voted for?

In #215, you trusted Nog, Zil, Fea and were unsure, but leaned innocent on Wilwa, Glirdan, Nerwen, Pitch.

In #277 you voted for Zil, Glirdan, Nog

So how did the unsure Glirdan get voted for, above the trusted Fea?

I was skimming through the rest of your posts, to search for reasons as to why you voted how you did. And to be quite frank, I've noticed some blaring inconsistencies in your statements. I'll cover them in my next post, but right now my dogs are yipping and crying to go outside.

Nog and Zil looked innocent. (Still do, btw.) No one thought Glirdy looked innocent, and I didn't want to see a massacre of someone I didn't suspect.

Along those lines, I'm curious as to why, when I commented on many accepting Form as an innocent without any moddess confirmation:

Loslote's response was this:

But now, with respect to Form she's moved back to suspecting him:

No, I don't particularly suspect him. My comment was that, based on what Glirdy said, Formy or Wilwa could look bad, and I think Wilwa's the bad one of the two.

Back again... I had to go out before.

Interesting points on Lottie from Izzy and Zil. She's also had both known wolves vote for her– although, with everyone having four votes, and her being very active this game, that may not mean anything.

Well, to be fair, that was after analysing Glirdan's posts– and yet, I can't see that her analysis supports her conclusions. So Glirdan wavered about Form... so what? (In a similar vein, why the completely opposite judgements on Wilwa and Nog? Lottie?)

–Not that I think we should start treating Form as an absolutely known innocent either. Any game devised by the mind of Sally is liable to have some strange twists in it...

Because Glirdy was so very adament about Nog, but quiet about Wilwa. He knew people suspected him, so he, not being a complete noob, laid false trails to Nog - and me.

I am also curious about this, since Glirdy was far more adament about Nog's innocence then he was for mine.

oh, and

anyone have any idea what this might mean???

Talk people, I'm in class here bored out of my mind, I need some action! :cool:

I'm gonna go make a new list, some people have shifted around a bit....

...um, exactly. I trust Nog *because* Glirdy was so adament. See above comment.

With Izzy's last second vote for Brinn, which, as she would have thought, tied her with Glirdan, I'm quite comfortable with Izzy now.

Let's look at her vote tally from yesterDay.

I'm noting this:

Loslote -> Zil, Glirdan, Nog

this,

Glirdan -> Wilwa (4), Nog (2)
Glirdan -> Fea (4)
Glirdan -> Loslote (3)

and this

Nog -> Rune, Zil (2), Loslote (2)
Nog -> Form (2)

Here's what strikes me:

A known wolf voted for Nog and Loslote.
Loslote voted for the wolf and Nog.
Nog voted for Loslote.

Granted, when everyone has four votes, coincidences can happen. But can all that be happenstance?

Yes. Yes it can. :rolleyes:

EDIT: xed since 460

Loslote

02-09-2010, 08:13 PM

++Nerwen

I'm pretty sure she's innocent.

++Fea

Even if she can't be Simon, she can still be innocent, and I trust her.

Loslote

02-09-2010, 08:17 PM

Not voting for Wilwa. I think she's a wolf. Not voting for Rune. I still think he looks furry.

Izzy looks better to me, acutally maybe because she suspects me - for some reason, I tend to trust people who suspect me. :rolleyes:

Brinn...I don't know. I haven't known all game. She always confuses me.

Brinniel

02-09-2010, 08:21 PM

Lottie I'm torn about. On one hand, she hasn't sat comfortably with me all game...but then I have this feeling she just might be innocent after all.

The way Nogrod has gone about his suspicions toDay makes me a bit worried about him.

Still have a bad feeling about Eonwe, though I don't really yet have a reasoning for it.

Nerwen worries me simply because she has slid through the game quite smoothly so far, something she does very well at as a wolf. I would like to keep an eye on her.

I think we should spread the votes out a bit more, so perhaps I'll vote for Rune or wilwa. I don't really have an opinion of either, but I'm thinking there are better candidates for lynching.

Isabellkya

02-09-2010, 08:21 PM

Ah. I'm sorry, I totally forgot. I've actually been meaning to ask about that. What does this bit mean?

That was my list of whom I would vote for -> whom I wouldn't vote for.
They were paired, becaause it just ended up that way. There were some people whom were pretty equal/even on the "scale", so I just placed them together.

I didn't ignore Brin's comment, Nog. I just didn't feel the need to add/address it. It involves me, so I don't think saying "Yeah! Stellar point!" is necessary.

X'd with everything after Nerwen's #461.

Brinniel

02-09-2010, 08:22 PM

Votes so far...

Brinn- 1
Dun- 6
Fea- 4
Form- 4
Izzy- 4
Lottie-
Nerwen- 3
Nog-
Rune-
Steve-
Wilwa-

Nienna

02-09-2010, 08:23 PM

Brinn- 1
Dun-6
Fea- 4
Form- 4
Izzy- 4
Lottie-
Nerwen- 3
Nog-
Rune-
Steve-
Wilwa-

haha x-ed with the roomie

satansaloser2005

02-09-2010, 08:25 PM

Brinn- 1
Dun-6
Fea- 4
Form- 4
Izzy- 4
Lottie-
Nerwen- 3
Nog-
Rune-
Steve-
Wilwa-

haha x-ed with the roomie

*snuggles her Bostonians*

wilwarin538

02-09-2010, 08:25 PM

I think Wilwa's the bad one of the two

So much for wanting to trust me and thinking me innocent. This seems very much to me like noticing that everyone else isn't trusting me, and you hopping on board. It's so interesting that every time I'm innocent it's one little vote that I make, that I don't completely think through, that ends up getting me in trouble. Oh, and Nog saying I'm too helpful or nice, that usually does me in as well. :rolleyes:

Because Glirdy was so very adament about Nog, but quiet about Wilwa. He knew people suspected him, so he, not being a complete noob, laid false trails to Nog - and me.

You don't think it's possible, with Glirdan not being a n00b and all, that he was SO obvious about Nog that he'd knew we'd think it was too obvious? And with Nog being so against Glirdan trusting him it sets up pretty nicely to make Nog look good. Gwath's first try of his game Glirdan managed to get me lynched first Day, and I had suspected him just as fervently, as well as the second try (we were both innocent, both tries of the game). We both suspect each other all the time and we're always wrong since we're rarely wolves, so this game I wanted to cut him some slack (this was never talked about between us since we don't talk about games til they're over, but when I saw he was making an effort to trust me I figured I'd do the same for him, atleast at the beginning, and I've missed having him around the past 2 years so I wanted to keep him around for a bit) It just so happened to totally work against me.

I'm going to shut up now. I hate getting defensive. I know we can afford to lose a few days without lynching a wolf and still be fine since we're so far ahead, but I really hope you guys don't just let that happen toDay with me.

x'ed with a few
EDIT: had to fix quote from Nog to Lottie, sorry Nog, you were mentioned in the quote so I was confused

alonariel

02-09-2010, 08:28 PM

Vote Count

Brinn:
Izzy
Zil
Form

Steve:
Zil
Izzy
Form
Fea

Wilwa:
Zil
Fea
Form
Nerwen

Nerwen:
Zil
Brinn

Nog:
Zil
Form
Izzy

Form:
Zil
Fea
Izzy
Nerwen

Lottie:
Nerwen
Fea

* * *

Izzy - 4
Zil - 6
Form - 4
Fea - 4
Nerwen - 3
Brinn - 1
Lottie - 0
Nog - 0
Rune - 0
Steve - 0
Wilwa - 0

Nogrod

02-09-2010, 08:28 PM

I'm just soo late from my sleeping time...

Take care you don't leave four unvoted persons as then we have no lynch. (when will the numbers change Sally?)

It's easy for everyone to vote the same the others have done *blames self as well* Look at that toMorrow.

And in general, look at those who do not suspect other people or only suspect those already under fire. You need to suffer suspicions on yourself as well and not take that to a principle of not voting that person just out of personal convenience.

If we fight all our own petty wars of survival we lose, if we look at it together we can manage.

So my last vote goes to...

++ Rune

He had problem with the net-access and I can see it has not helped him to gain on the confidence / popularity. But we need to get rid of a multiple numbers of even (non-)votes.

Isabellkya

02-09-2010, 08:29 PM

Just to be Devil's Advocate for a brief moment.
What makes everyone so sure that Form is telling the truth?
Could he not be a wolf, whom has orchestrated the Zil on the list thing? yeah, he could've known whom Nienna put on the list, but he could've faked the Zil part.

Just wanted to have the thought out there, in case by some reason it is fake. And we are all "why did we go along so easily with it".

X'd since my last post.

satansaloser2005

02-09-2010, 08:29 PM

I'm bored. Anyone fancy a game? Monopoly? Tic tac toe? Bingo? Anyone?

*crawls back into her hole and watches the action*

Nogrod

02-09-2010, 08:29 PM

wilwa: you're not quoting me but someone else...

Loslote

02-09-2010, 08:29 PM

So much for wanting to trust me and thinking me innocent. This seems very much to me like noticing that everyone else isn't trusting me, and you hopping on board. It's so interesting that every time I'm innocent it's one little vote that I make, that I don't completely think through, that ends up getting me in trouble. Oh, and Nog saying I'm too helpful or nice, that usually does me in as well. :rolleyes:

You don't think it's possible, with Glirdan not being a n00b and all, that he was SO obvious about Nog that he'd knew we'd think it was too obvious? And with Nog being so against Glirdan trusting him it sets up pretty nicely to make Nog look good. Gwath's first try of his game Glirdan managed to get be lynched first Day, and I had suspected him just as fervently, as well as the second try (we were both innocent, both tries of the game). We both suspect each other all the time and we're always wrong since we're rarely wolves, so this game I wanted to cut him some slack (this was never talked about between us since we don't talk about games til they're over, but when I saw he was making an effort to trust me I figured I'd do the same for him, atleast at the beginning, and I've missed having him around the past 2 years so I wanted to keep him around for a bit) It just so happened to totally work against me.

I'm going to shut up now. I hate getting defensive. I know we can afford to lose a few days without lynching a wolf and still be fine since we're so far ahead, but I really hope you guys don't just let that happen toDay with me.

1. What? I was the first one to even mention a Wilwa-suspicion, and now I'm hoppin on a bandwaggon?

2. Nice excuse. You've used it before. Are you really going to stick with meta-reasoning as your excuse?

3. That jumps out at me as a "oh I'm innocent don't lynch me" type statement. Don't tell us, show us.

EDIT: xed since Wilwa

satansaloser2005

02-09-2010, 08:29 PM

alonariel

02-09-2010, 08:32 PM

Vote Count

Brinn:
Izzy
Zil
Form

Steve:
Zil
Izzy
Form
Fea

Wilwa:
Zil
Fea
Form
Nerwen

Nerwen:
Zil
Brinn

Nog:
Zil
Form
Izzy
Rune

Form:
Zil
Fea
Izzy
Nerwen

Lottie:
Nerwen
Fea

* * *

Izzy - 4
Zil - 6
Form - 4
Fea - 4
Nerwen - 3
Brinn - 1
Lottie - 0
Nog - 0
Rune - 1
Steve - 0
Wilwa - 0

satansaloser2005

02-09-2010, 08:32 PM

Nog, I love you. Just so's you know.

Take care you don't leave four unvoted persons as then we have no lynch. (when will the numbers change Sally?)

Now. Nog is down two points per Simon.

Loslote

02-09-2010, 08:33 PM

Nog, I love you. Just so's you know.

Now. Nog is down two points per Simon.

Wait - down two points? I forgot that was allowed...so he's got negative votes?

wilwarin538

02-09-2010, 08:33 PM

Tic tac toe?

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satansaloser2005

02-09-2010, 08:34 PM

Wait - down two points? I forgot that was allowed...so he's got negative votes?

Yup.

Wilwa, top right corner. ^_^

Isabellkya

02-09-2010, 08:34 PM

I'm not voting for Loslote, and I doubt I will vote for Wilwa

If you happen to make it toMorrow Loslote. Would be nice if you addressed some more questions posed to you. As to how people have moved on your list, and why you trust people. Fallen in a vat of oil lately?

X'd since Sally's #480.

Brinniel

02-09-2010, 08:35 PM

Hmm...wilwa's last post doesn't sit with me too well. Hasn't she made a similar defense as a wolf before? Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong person. But nevertheless, it's ringing my alarm bells. Her post just doesn't feel genuine to me.

++Rune

No idea what his role might be, but he hasn't really gotten a chance to play toDay and for now, I'd rather hear more from him than see him go.

EDIT: By last post, I mean #473. Major x-posting here.

Loslote

02-09-2010, 08:35 PM

Sorry. Will run back and find those questions.

EDIT: xed with Brinn

Feanor of the Peredhil

02-09-2010, 08:36 PM

++Steve
++Wilwa

Izzy - 4
Zil - 6
Form - 4
Fea - 4
Nerwen - 3
Brinn - 1
Lottie - 0
Nog - -2
Rune - 2
Steve - 1
Wilwa - 1

Nerwen

02-09-2010, 08:36 PM

Supposing I'd be a wolf (and supposing then also that Lottie would be my mate).

I'd probably have posted when I got online around 10PM (my time), said I was in a hurry, noted some "suspicious things"... then making a few nice words of you, Fea, Brinn, Izzy, Inzil etc... (to gain enough good will even if you disagreed with my negligence of talking about Lottie)... Then I'd have said it's just too late and I need to go - voting for confidence to those whom I thought were the leaders of the popular opinion. And I would be sleeping already.

Or I could have made a fervent defence of Lottie just for the sport of it.

Or you'd have tried to cut ties with her, but then perhaps tried to sow suspicion about as many other people as you could– oh, wait, you just did.:rolleyes:

I've played alone as a wolf against a whole village once and that was enough for me - and there was no seer left there. I managed a few Days but it was hopeless and doomed.

Mmmn. I agree it wouldn't be fun. My point is that, supposing you were a wolf and Lottie– or, for that matter, Wilwa– your comrade, you'd know it still wasn't worth the risk of trying to save her.

Besides, there are a number of people in this village right now who have managed to win as lone wolves, sometimes with gifteds still around. And seers can be eaten at Night.

And anyway: haven't I been controversial enough for the seer to check me? Would I do that as a wolf? That would be a death sentence.

Not necessarily– but anyway I don't recall you were "controversial" at all most of this game.

Just out of curiosity: were you a wolf Nerwen, how would you have played differently? ;)

Why, looking for tips? ;)

EDIT:X'd with vast hordes.

Isabellkya

02-09-2010, 08:37 PM

So Nog will be lynched, unless multiple people vote for him?

X'd with Nerwen.

wilwarin538

02-09-2010, 08:40 PM

1. What? I was the first one to even mention a Wilwa-suspicion, and now I'm hoppin on a bandwaggon?

2. Nice excuse. You've used it before. Are you really going to stick with meta-reasoning as your excuse?

3. That jumps out at me as a "oh I'm innocent don't lynch me" type statement. Don't tell us, show us.

EDIT: xed since Wilwa

1. Your first post you said I looked bad but then said you still felt I was innocent and wanted to trust me.
2. I've used it before this game cause that is the reason, I'm not gonna just make one up, and since that's all people seem to have on me of course I'll defend it.
3. Show you? How exactly do you want me to do that?

Hmm...wilwa's last post doesn't sit with me too well. Hasn't she made a similar defense as a wolf before? Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong person. But nevertheless, it's ringing my alarm bells. Her post just doesn't feel genuine to me.

Probably, haven't been a wolf in a rediculously long time (possibly not even since Sally's last game).

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(Nog, I fixed the quote mistake, sorry about that)

Loslote

02-09-2010, 08:41 PM

Okay. After Form's explanation toDay I think we can treat him and Zil as semi-known innocents, unless some really spectacular revelation occurs.

Or, by extension, Nogrod (doesn't look too good to me in his own right, either).

I actually thought Lottie's Nienna-the-pseudo-Seer was a reasonable sort of theory at the time... but after the curious logical gymnastics that she used in her analysis of Glirdan, in which Form came out "pretty bad" for some reason, yet Nogrod remained pure as the driven snow... well.

Of course, if they are indeed packmates, Nogrod's now busy throwing Lottie under the bus, but what does that prove?

Form came out "semi-bad" for the same reason I noticed Wilwa, but nothing else looks bad. In fact, mostly he looks absolutely innocent, so I focused on Wilwa and moved Form back to "probably innocent".

Well, you're right in that the flip-flop came after she looked at Glirdan, but she doesn't explain in that analysis why Form looks bad again.

No, he doesn't get a free pass, even though I'm leaning toward thinking him more innocent than not. It's still odd that Nog and Rune were so quick to vote for him after the narrative in which he killed Pitch, though.

See above. Was that all, Izzy?

EDIT: xed since my last