Werewolf LXXXI: Under the Misty Mountains

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, so, Shasta needs another vote to make him a Rep. What we do with other votes is up to you people. Do you want all of us to be tied with 2 or 3 Rep votes so we can triple-lynch if we wish? Or is a double all you'd go for?

Basically, I have nothing against double-lynches, but overdoing it might also not be good (we can kill far more innocents than we wanted and could afford). In my opinion, having 3 votes does not mean you have to triple-lynch (you can triple-lynch with two votes also, anyway), it will also probably depend on how the Reps agree among themselves and whom they think suspicious. You can split the votes in different ways. I am fine with the way I have now cast my vote, and however you decide later, if I am around, I can voice my opinions about possible options - which should happen, unless you decide to vote super-fast at the start of the Day when I am not around yet. Generally, I am against any voting madness, that's the main point.

EDIT: x-ed with Steve. Good night, now definitely.

[Eönwë]

Well, I might as well vote for my rep now, and post more afterwards, since we're all agreed- which, I might add, makes it far easier for the elves to hide toDay (at least in Part 1 of the Day).

Anyway, though he's annoyed me a lot this game, I don't think I've ever actually thought him evil, so I'm nominating:

++the phantom

for rep.

[Eönwë]

And just to explain, out of the three, I find Shasta the most suspicious, which is why I'm not voting for him. Though I admit that he always looks the same to me, and sometimes it makes me think he's innocent, and sometimes guilty. But this time he definitely seems less innocent than the other two.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, decided not to look at Mira's posts myself as Zil quoted them all anyway and I think we've reached a conclusion on her dreams in any case. So off to other work...

Omitting our three known innocents...


~*~


LOTTIE


Legate

Legate about Lottie
Day1: #45 indirectly says Lottie and Sally's votes might've been out of lack of time, lack of imagination on d1 or SoE bandwagon hiding reasons.
#60 worries about Rune's buddying up with people and throws Lottie and Sally to the same category.
#68 agrees with Boro's criticism of Lottie and Sally.
#100 wouldn't vote her for a rep because of the tp-connection and (relative) absence.
#270 mentions her among several others as someone whose lynching he'd consider.

Lottie about Legate
- nothing -


Lommy

Lommy about Lottie
Day1: #46 does not "heart" Lottie and criticises her "stupid" rep vote.
#52 apologises to Sally and Lottie for possible offense.
#113 is annoyed by her and other tp-voters but doesn't have any "actual clear reasonable suspicions" against them.
#237 Lottie is in her worrisome half of the village.
#242 wonders about Lottie's change of mind considering tp and says that if he turns out to be a wolf, we should look at the people who rep-voted him.
#247 brings up Lottie's wolfy cheerfulness and voting first and coming up with reasons afterwards and wonders if she should change her mind about her.
#254 would like to vote Lottie (and possibly give 1/3 votes to Cel).
#264 wonders whether to give Lottie two or three votes.
#266 votes her with three votes. The first lynch vote to be given to anyone. Comments: "a bit less of a shot in the dark than most other options".

Lottie about Lommy
Day1: #306 defends herself against Lommy's points.


Zil

Zil about Lottie
Day1: #47 agrees with Lommy's criticism of Lottie and Sally's votes
#268 replies to Lommy's question saying he'd like to see one of phantom, Sally or Lottie dead, dislikes phantom's supporting the girls' votes for him.

Lottie about Zil
Day1: #175 corrects Folwren's misinformation on him
#187 explains her nicknames for him and Izzy


Folwren

Lottie about Folwren
Day1: #175 corrects her misinformation about Zil.
#189 defends tp against her point criticising the two of them and Sally.
#196 continues argueing with her to defend tp.

Folwren about Lottie
Day1: #188 says her and Sally's were not logical or worthwhile and wonders why tp doesn't see this.
#193 replies Lottie's defense in a slightly lecturing tone.
#239 says the "Sally-and-Lottie-baseless-votes-for-phantom issue" has been discussed enough. True, but it's funny how everything looks so suspicious taken out of context like this...


Eönwë

Eönwë about Lottie
Day1: #101 argues against her reasons for voting for tp as a rep.
#120 she is among the "other people" he has no idea bout yet.
#260 argues against her points again.
#267 would be annoyed if she, Sally and tp are all wolves but thinks it's likely there are Elves in the triangle.

Lottie about Eönwë
#306 counter-criticism against him.


Kath and Rune didn't have any interaction with Lottie. Which is quite weird given that she was the hot potato of the Day...


~*~


GREENIE


Lommy

Lommy about Greenie
Day1: #113 argues against her points, loves her, likes her and agrees with her but wonders if her vote was even too good, considers her for rep vote.
#118 votes Greenie for rep because they are "on the same wavelength". Haha, that sounds bad in the light of the current knowledge, doesn't it?
#209 thanks Shasta for taking up her and Greenie's crusade against tp.
#217 explains Greenie's internet-problems to the Cave.
#237 Greenie is in her not so worrisome half of the village.
#266 lets her use the computer.
Day2 #419 claims she can read her (and Legate and Rune) well and believes them all innocent. :rolleyes: Wouldn't it be funny if Legate and Rune turned out to be wolves too?
#452 replies to her questioning her Wilwa comments.
#459 repeats claim of being able to read her and thinks her very innocent. Greenie must've been so gleeful reading my posts...
Day3 #557 starting to reconsider her previous opinion of Greenie and Legate but still more thinking them innocent.
#566 agrees with her about Rune's post being ironic.
#590 creeps herself out by half-seriously speculating a phantom-Greenie-Kath pack.
#632 answers Nerwen's question about her opinion on Legate and Greenie by: "And no idea about Greenie and Legate. Currently thinking Legate is probably innocent and very unsure about Greenie. "
#659 has started to suspect her quite randomly but has a bad feeling her suspicion is wrong, lists her under "difficult" with more than half of the remaining cavers. Speculates about a Shasta+Nerwen+Greenie pack but thinks Greenie+Nerwen unlikely.
#663 discusses the lynch options and prefers Shasta. "Zil/Nerwen/Greenie I'm torn about but I would possibly prefer Greenie... not sure at all."

Greenie about Lommy
Day1: #69 agrees with Lommy's points.
#76 says she seems genuine but isn't sure if she wants to vote her for a rep.
#79 explains Lommy's point to phantom.
#274 inclined to think her innocentish.
Day2: #357 delivers her message to the Cave.
#365 thinks her very innocent and partly because of her Lottie-vote.
#406 hands over the computer to her.
#448 asks her how can anyone (Wilwa) be fishy in an innocent way.
#462 clarifies Lommy's typo (by request).
#471 asks the Cave not to lynch Lommy, tp, Wilwa or Shasta.
Day3: #572 can't see her as an Elf, if she's an Elf she deserves to win.
#573 considers rep-voting her because she seems innocent.
#582 considering rep-votes: "I'm debating right now between phantom, Lommy, Rune and Zil."
#583 continues considering rep-votes: "Not Lommy. She, too, has already been a rep, and I don't think that much can be learned from her being one again."
#642 mentions her in a nerwielysis.


Zil

Greenie about Zil
Day1: #69 agrees with his point of witholding rep votes.
#76 can't read him yet but not alarmed.
Day2: #365 agonises about never being able to read him.
Day3: #572 thinks he's too smooth and can't read him. Anyone else thinking this repetition starts to go quite over the top...?
#573 considers him for rep because he hasn't been one yet and making him vote might reveal more of him.
#582 considering rep-votes: "I'm debating right now between phantom, Lommy, Rune and Zil."
#583 continues considering rep-votes: "Rune or Inzil for me, then. Both kind of shots in the dark. I'd like to know a bit more about both though."
#584 rep-votes him. "Because an innocent Inzil can make a good decision on my behalf, and an evil Inzil will hopefully be revealed. " Makes Zil looks worse than Rune.
#649 asks who Zil wants to lynch.
#652 has an uneasy feeling about him but won't vote him because she doesn't have "even half-decent arguments".
#656 says Zil she doesn't want to vote phantom like he suggests, asks for his opinion about Nerwen. Even though she was his rep, it would be really weird if wolves were conversing this openly with each other on the thread...
#660 "like I said, I'm slightly uneasy about him though with no arguments to base it on, wouldn't mind seeing him lynched."

Zil about Greenie
Day1: #124 wonders if he should join her in voting Nerwen for a rep.
Day2: #376 replies her points about phantom and Sally.
#409 Greenie is green and doesn't ping his Elfdar, indirectly defends her Sally-vote.
Day3: #564 replies to her points, kind of arguing/explaining.
#606 votes her for rep because: she has already one rep vote, she has been a rep and she's not on tp's "want list" (what's that?) and better than Nerwen since Foley whom he trusts nominated her first. Interesting logic... This starts to look fishy all in all.
#645 mentions her in a stevielysis.
#700 thinks she overreacted to Nerwen's point against her but doesn't think it vote-meriting.
#703 wonders about Rune's sudden suspicion of her and Nerwekeke.
#713 votes Greenie, is the third one to do so. Talk about sudden suspicions...
#715 says Foley is why he voted Green.


Legate

Greenie about Legate
Day1:#69 expands on his point about rep voting the same person.
#76 says he seems reasonable so far.
#95 wonders if he is the Emperor's cat.
Day2: #365 isn't too worried about him because an elf-Legate would be more "polished". This sounds very un-wolf-on-wolfy because it seems like a very genuine notion on his behaviour. Of course there is the possibility, if you want to argue, that Greenie was impressed by her fellow's acting skills and mentions it here, but given I made the very same notion about Legate myself it seems difficult to argue...
#448 "Nog, Steve and Legate are all players I'm inclined to find more innocentish than not but that I'd love to get a better feel of."
#473 replies to his inquiry about lynch preferences.
Day3: #572 says he's leaning innocent for her.
#660 "would be somewhere in my "no idea, maybe leaning innocent" -category, quite honestly I haven't paid that much attention to him."

Legate about Greenie
Day1: #97 is disturbed by her suggestion that he's the Emperor's cat.
#100 calls her reasonable and has her as an option for his rep vote.
#136 mentions her being his rep vote possibility but since other people support electing her too he contemplates leaving her for others to vote Haha sounds like a wolf trying to keep the tallies clean for himself! (Not seriously though, just occured to me and it sounded stupidly funny, or rather, funnily stupid.)
#147 mentions her briefly in his musing about his rep vote.
Day2: #427 mentions her vote while discussing the previous Day's voting but doesn't say much. It's funny how he keeps mentioning the wolves but saying precious little on them...
#470 she seems mostly innocent despite bad vote but won't get his rep vote. For some reason I get innocent vibes from this comment.
Day3: #577 "I had generally good feeling about her, although now that sally's been proven innocent, one could start wondering about her constant case against her."
#662 would like to have a look at her and several others.


Foley

Greenie about Foley
Day1: #76 can't form an opinion on her yet.
#274 inclined to think her innocentish.
Day2: #365 would be really surprised if she was an Elf.
#448 happy that she's a rep and pretty sure she's innocent.
Day3: #572 still thinks her innocent, discusses her behaviour at Day2 voting and says it seems genuine.
#652 whines to her that she still wants to vote Nerwen.

Foley about Greenie
Day1: nothing
Day2: #524 uses her points as a basis of her suspicions of Sally.
Day3: #585 votes her for rep.
#648 tells her it's not a good idea to lynch-vote Nerwen.
#664 asks us not to freak out but she has a very bad feeling about Greenie her rep, got it only after her rep-vote when she started reading more.
#681 announces she's writing a post about her. This would be very cold-hearted wolvish backstabbing...
#687 says she lost her post about her and asks people if they'd like her to rewrite her thoughts.
#698 the promised Greenie-post. Doesn't really reach any conclusion except that Greenie and Rune might be fellows.
#702 Greenie conclusions: if she's an Elf, she's a goo one but Foley doesn't trust her. The lack of good reasons for suspicions is suspicious.


Rune

Greenie about Rune
Day1: #76 more inclined to think him innocent on the little evidence she has.
#274 inclined to think him innocentish.
Day2: #365 gets good vibes from him.
#406 follows his lead when it comes to rep voting and likes him.
#473 thinks him innocent.
Day3: #560 thinks it's ironic his post was innocent except for the part where he considered his own post suspicious.
#572 is very undecided and flip-floppy about him.
#581 replies to Kath considering her read on Rune's ironic post.
#582 considering rep-votes: "I'm debating right now between phantom, Lommy, Rune and Zil."
#583 continues considering rep-votes: "Rune or Inzil for me, then. Both kind of shots in the dark. I'd like to know a bit more about both though."
#584 chooses Zil over Rune because Rune is a tad easier to read.
#652 names him as a lynching option based on her opinion on him being torn and Kath's good points.
#656 still torn about him, but would rather like to see him dead than someone she considers innocent.
#660 "I'm still considering Rune as well, my vote will in all probability go for either him or Nerwen."
#667 torn about voting him or Nerwie.
#669 asks him who he's considering for voting.
#675 decides not to vote him because of her lack of arguments against him.

Rune about Greenie
Day1: #218 says that if he was a rep he'd vote her, Glirdy or Steve. Suspects her for not committing enough.
Day2: #386 doesn't trust her although she seems good, can't put his finger on it.
Day3: #561 replies semi-philosophically to her about stuff being ironic.
#621 wants to look over her and a few others' posts.
#655 doesn't know what to think of her.
#673 replies to her question about his voting preferences, mentions that he has an uneasy feeling about her.
#688 encourages Foley to rewrite her post about Greenie.
#695 she is one of his lynch options but not the primary one.
#710 will vote her to save his own skin.
#712 does that, cross-posting with Nerwen and thus giving the second vote for her.

Kath

Greenie about Kath
Day1: #76 mentions her as someone who hasn't been around yet.
Day2: #365 she's under her radar.
#453 yays her appearance.
Day3: #572 needs more data on her but notes that her long Day2 post looked genuine.
#581 continues on her point about Rune, says it's pity Kath is busy and can't become a rep because of that.
#652 uses her points against Rune.

Kath about Greenie
Day1: nothing
Day2: #460 likes her for asking interesting questions.
#461 she feels innocent to her.
Day3: #578 replies her comments, concludes with: "Good suspicions post, lots of reasoning."
#580 likes her but wants to read her more in-depth (especially about her relation to Wilwa) before rep-voting her.
#643 mentions her in a runelysis.


Eönwë

Greenie about Eönwë
Day1: #76 mentions him as someone who hasn't been around yet.
Day2: #365 has no read on him and says he might need a closer look.
#406 votes him for rep. Again quite from behing the corner. Makes me wonder...
#448 "Nog, Steve and Legate are all players I'm inclined to find more innocentish than not but that I'd love to get a better feel of."
Day3: #572 would love to check his posts and calls him a potential elf for smooth behaviour.
#573 considers him for rep because he hasn't been one yet and making him vote might reveal more of him.
#618 commiserates with him about the difficulty of the game.

Eönwë about Greenie
Day1: #120 considers voting her for rep Huh, that came quite out of the blue...
#137 votes her for rep over Legate because he likes her reasoning and doesn't think she's evil
#267 refers to her earlier point regarding the Lottie-Sally-tp triangle.
Day2: #497 says she seemed innocent yesterDay but not so much toDay. Won't lynch-vote but wants to reread.
Day3: #682 is getting evil undertones from Greenie's recent posts. Talk about rats leaving the stinking ship... (Oops what a typo! Can't resist leaving it uncorrected, though... :D)


~*~


Conclusions in a separate post, this one is long enough... They are unwritten as of yet though so this will still take a moment...



edit: xed with very many posts

[Thinlómien]

Eönwë
Interactions with Lottie: not much stuff. They bicker a lot. Wonder if that means anything - could be a hint of Eönwë's innocene.
Inteactions with Greenie: fishy. They rep-vote each other quite out of the blue on successive Days, and Eönwë's two successive 90 degree turns on Greenie look weird - or more like, the latter one looks quite wolf on wolfy.
Overall: Questionable or more on the furry side.

Folwren
Interactions with Lottie: arguing could be a sign of not relatedness, don't know what to make of Folwren's desire to stop talking about the three.
Interactions with Greenie: if she was a wolf, she would be the worst backstabber I've seen for a while.
Overall: Neutralish + good = most likely innocent.

Kath
Interactions with Lottie: none.
Interactions with Greenie: nice-nice trustiness. Not much stuff, though.
Overall: Too little data to go by. Looks eyebrow-raising worthy, though.

Legate
Interactions with Lottie: careful suspicion but somebody else is always worse. I don't like this.
Interactions with Greenie: quite non-committal. Mutual relative trust. Hmmm...?
Overall: Looks quite bad. But it would've been still ingenious of Greenie to say that thing about him being more polished as a wolf if they were fellows.

Lommy
These will be for you to make.

Rune
Interactions with Lottie: none. Weird, eh, given that he was around for most of the Day...
Interactions with Greenie: she goes from trusting him to slight suspicion and is torn about voting him but decides not to = fishy. Otherwise, either he's an eager backstabber or innocent.
Overall: Given that I don't put eager backstabbing past Rune by any means, he is more fishy than not.

Zil
Interactions with Lottie: Very little data, but she seems to talk rather "personal" about him, while all he says about her is commenting something Lommy has said. Weird.
Interactions with Greenie: Uh. She keeps the cover of being unable to read him all the time, wishy-washes on whether to rep-vote him or not, light suspicion on both sides until Zil goes turncloaks and votes her quite randomly. Mutual rep votes. Looks very bad but I wonder if they'd really discuss that openly if they were fellows...
Overall: Orange if not red zone. Beep beep beep!

Overall overall: Foley's innocent. I don't know what to think of Legate because he's confusing. Rune, Kath and Eönwë all look slightly fishy, Inzil more than slightly.

Such conclusive conclusions. :rolleyes:

Anyway, now off to read all I have cross-posted with with these two posts of mine...


edit: DIDN'T x. Weird.

[Thinlómien]

How does him being innocent mean that he's not the UO? He could have been the UO and just decided to stick with the village (And, according to the rules, Mira would have been updated with regards to which side he chose).Well he could still be the UO but not one who had been in contact with the seer. If that was the case he would have removed all our doubt considering his, Nerwen and Shasta's innocence by saying it out loud.

Lastly, I have a phantomesque plan. Since we have six unknowns and three known innocents who are going to be our reps, wouldn't it actually make sense to group lynch the six of us? Since splitting votes is allowed, it should be very easy. Each rep gives one vote to one of the six and we will have a tie. Extra votes are not used or are used like
++pumpkin pie++
or whatever. Or if Moddess doesn't allow that we could try to get everybody just two rep votes...? (Ah okay there's not that option anymore. I wonder if the reps could give 1,5 votes to people? ;)) Somebody (phantom darling? :Merisu: ) please think this out for me, I'm too tried to think properly.

++Shasta for rep

PS. My current suspicion list out of the six unknowns would probably be: 1. Zil, 2. Kath, 3. Steve, 4. Rune, 5. Legate (for some reason I just can't honestly suspect him seriously whatever the evidence says... well if I turn out to be fooled then we can say love is blind :p), 6. Folwren, 7. Lommy (I know you can't take my word for this, but I'm not a wolf. I'd totally have loved wolfing with my sister but alas that was not the case. I don't think I would've backstabbed her if we had been fellows. That would've been double treachery. I could in a certain situation/mood have backstabbed Lottie on Day1, though, even though it would've been quite drastic of me. This is all the defense from me you shall get because there haven't been any proper accusations yet and I won't probably be around to hear more.)

PPS. Just realised I had omitted myself so we have seven people to lynch, bleurgh. Well it could probably still work out if not using all votes was allowed...

[Eönwë]

Night 1
Seer Dream



Day 1

Representative votes:
Sally |Orc| -> Phantom
Lottie |Elf|-> Phantom (2)
Rune -> Lommy
Greenie |Elf| -> Nerwen
Nog |Orc| -> Izzy |Orc|
Mira |Seer|-> Phantom (3)
Boro |Orc| -> Wilwa
Lommy -> Greenie |Elf|
Steve -> Greenie |Elf| (2)
Inzil -> Boro |Orc|
Shasta -> Izzy |Orc| (2)
Legate -> Nerwen (2)
Celuien |Orc| -> Foley
Phantom -> Celuien |Orc|
Nerwen -> Lommy
Wilwa |Orc| -> Lommy
Foley -> Celuien |Orc| [2- same Day]
Izzy |Orc| -> Wilwa

Representatives:
(3):Phantom, Lommy
(2):Nerwen, [B]Izzy |Orc|, Wilwa, Greenie |Elf|, Celuien |Orc|

Did not vote: Glirdy, Kath


Lynch votes:
Lommy +++ Lottie |Elf| (3)
Greenie |Elf| ++ Sally |Orc| (2)
Nerwen + Sally |Orc|(3)
Nerwen + Boro |Orc| (1)
Celuien |Orc| ++ Boro |Orc| (3)
Wilwa |Orc| + Sally |Orc| (4)
Wilwa |Orc| + Lottie |Elf| (4)
Izzy |Orc| ++ Lottie |Elf| (6)

Lynch: Lottie |Elf|

Did not vote: Phantom

Night 2
Kill: Izzy |Orc|
Seer Dream
Orc of Undecided Allegiance chooses role



Day 2

Representative votes:
Nerwen -> Shasta
Rune -> Steve
Greenie |Elf| -> Steve (2) [2]
Nog |Orc| > Legate
Steve -> Legate (2)
Lommy -> Nog |Orc|
Inzil -> Shasta (2)
Wilwa |Orc| -> Foley
Legate -> Foley (2)
Shasta -> Nerwen [2- same Day]
Sally |Orc| -> Nog |Orc| (2)
Phantom -> Legate (3)

Representatives:
(3): Legate
(2): Steve, Shasta, Foley, Nog |Orc|

Did not vote:
Kath, Mira |Seer|, Celuien |Orc|, Foley

Lynch votes:
Nog |Orc| ++ Wilwa
Legate +++ Celuien |Orc|
Shasta ++ Sally |Orc|
Steve ++ Wilwa |Orc| (4)
Foley ++ Sally |Orc| (4)

Lynch: Sally |Orc|, Wilwa |Orc|

Did not vote: -

Other Deaths: Boro |Orc|, Glirdy



Night 3
Kill: Nog |Orc|
Seer Dream



Day 3

Representative votes:
Greenie |Elf| ->Inzil
Foley -> Greenie |Elf|
Kath -> Inzil (2)
Legate -> Rune
Steve -> Rune (2) [2]
Lommy -> Nerwen [2]
Rune -> Kath
Shasta -> Nerwen (2) <2> [2- same Day]
Inzil -> Greenie |Elf| (2) [2- same Day]

Representatives:
(2) Inzil, Rune, Nerwen, Greenie |Elf|

Did not vote:
Celuien |Orc|, Mira |Seer|, Nerwen, Phantom

Lynch votes:
Greenie |Elf| ++ Nerwen /2\
Inzil ++ Greenie |Elf| {3- Same Day)
Rune ++ Greenie |Elf| (4)
Nerwen ++ Greenie |Elf| (6) [2- same Day]


Lynch: Greenie

Did not vote: -

Other Deaths:Celuien |Orc|


Night 4
Kill: Mira |Seer|
Seer Dream: -


Key:
-> = voted as rep
++ = voted to lynch (number of +s=voting power)
() = number of votes someone has in the same category
<> = a repeat vote (i.e., voting for a rep a second time)
/\ = a vote for the same person in any category (i.e., voting for someone as rep, and then lynch-voting that person- does not need to be consecutive)
[] = a return/revenge-vote (i.e., someone voting for someone who voted for them in the same category)
{} = A return/revenge vote in any category
|| = roles
Italics = the dead

[Eönwë]

Well he could still be the UO but not one who had been in contact with the seer. If that was the case he would have removed all our doubt considering his, Nerwen and Shasta's innocence by saying it out loud.I don't think it would be necessary for the OoUA to reveal, though if they joined the side of the village then it might be useful for is for xe to say so. And would you believe phantom if he said he was? And anyway, there really is no proof (except for death) that could prove an OoUA, so xe might want to wait until a little later, though personally I don't think there would be much point in waiting now that the seer's dead.

Lastly, I have a phantomesque plan. Since we have six unknowns and three known innocents who are going to be our reps, wouldn't it actually make sense to group lynch the six of us?
Do you really want to end the game now, and without even 100% evidence? You seem a bit too certain that Phantom, Nerwen and Shasta are innocents, and even if they're much closer to 'proven' innocents than everyone else, they're not. And anyway, where's the fun that?

[Eönwë]

Well, since no-one's around, and I'm tired, I think I may just go to sleep.

[the phantom]

Like I said, busy, so I haven't read anything. But I did at least skim through the Rep votes.

It appears that Shasta needs one more vote to be tied with Nerwen and I. Who hasn't voted besides me?

[Folwren]

I haven't voted.

I do not like the idea of being lynched just so we can be safe. I'm not a wolf, and I think that's pretty clear to everybody. I think that Lommy and I are both innocents, so I honestly don't see any reason to lynch us both along with the other less known people.

In otherwords, I'm really not in the mood to be sacrificed for the 'good' of the village.

-- Foley

[the phantom]

I don't know that we're going to lynch you Foley. I don't even know if we're doing a single/double/triple. I just think we may as well have the flexibility.

If you don't want to vote, you don't have to, but just let me know for certain if you're going to vote Shasta or not. If not, I'll vote for him. If you say you're not going to vote but then vote to upset the tie, that will look like sabotage and then you'll pretty much be guaranteed dead.

[the phantom]

You know, never mind Foley. I'll just go ahead and vote, as it may be a bit risky for me to leave work without voting just in case something happens to slow my trip home.

I will vote Shasta. You can abstain.

[the phantom]

Okay, I believe I've given enough warning to avoid a cross-post vote. Here it goes-

++Shasta for Rep

[the phantom]

Okay, so unless I am mistaken, we have all three Reps tied at three, meaning that REP VOTING IS FINISHED.

I'll definitely be around more for the second half of the day. See you later.

[Folwren]

I was more referring to Lommy's suggestion of killing six people tonight.

It's okay, Phantom. I was uncomfortable voting this evening for some reason, anyway.

-- Fols

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Your Reps are Phorc, Shasticle, and Nerworc at three votes each.

[Folwren]

Okay, Reps. Whatcha gonna do?

[Nerwen]

Oh, by the way– I am the Orc of Unknown Allegiance. I did not reveal previously, because I wanted to see how people would play if there was still a shadow of a doubt.

Shasta and phantom are innocent. (Or if they're not, Mira's in biiiiig trouble.)

If you're curious, her last dream was Foley. I don't know the result, of course.

[Folwren]

So Shasta and Phantom were dreamt of, and you only know their innocent because of what she put in her post...well, that's good.

She knew you were working for her side, but she didn't know who you were, so we aren't sure why she put you in her list of innocents.

How many nights did she live through? I mean, did she get three dreams and then on the fourth night she was killed? I can't remember how many nights there have been, and I don't have time to look...

My question is to find out if she could have dreamed about a wolf?

-- Foley

[Nerwen]

So Shasta and Phantom were dreamt of, and you only know their innocent because of what she put in her post...well, that's good.

She knew you were working for her side, but she didn't know who you were, so we aren't sure why she put you in her list of innocents.
No, I was Mira's third dream. And I'd guess the list was partly to let me know who she was. That's how it worked: I wasn't told who the Seer was, just who dreamed.

How many nights did she live through? I mean, did she get three dreams and then on the fourth night she was killed? I can't remember how many nights there have been, and I don't have time to look...

My question is to find out if she could have dreamed about a wolf?

-- Foley
Only if you're a wolf, Foley.;) You were the fourth dream, on the Night she was killed. No, I don't know why she picked you to dream about.

[the phantom]

Voting breakdown first three days (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=639752&postcount=613)

THE REP VOTING YESTERDAY:
Green-->Inzil
Foley-->Green
Kath-->Inzil (2)
Legate-->Rune
Steve-->Rune (2)
Lommy-->Nerwen
Rune-->Kath
Shasta-->Nerwen (2)
Inzil-->Green (2)

The voting recap I gave of the first three days already implicated Green and Inzil, and yesterday they voted for each other yet again? Can it really be that simple? Especially considering his waiting to vote yesterday until last- like he was hoping to save Green but in the end had to hop on the train and pretend as if he threw the first stone. I mean- why would he vote Green anyway? I recall he was pointing fingers at Rune and I just before that, and showed no signs of voting Green in the lead-up. So why else would he have that vote sitting on his screen ready to fire unless to make himself look good?

[Folwren]

Only if you're a wolf, Foley. ;) You were the fourth dream, on the Night she was killed. No, I don't know why she picked you to dream about.

Oh, alright then. I've already said I wasn't a wolf/elf/thing, so I won't bother you with that story again.

Especially considering his waiting to vote yesterday until last- like he was hoping to save Green but in the end had to hop on the train and pretend as if he threw the first stone. I mean- why would he vote Green anyway? I recall he was pointing fingers at Rune and I just before that, and showed no signs of voting Green in the lead-up. So why else would he have that vote sitting on his screen ready to fire unless to make himself look good?

I don't think so. He said he cross posted with Rune and Nerwen, and I don't think a WW player here would be so dishonest as to cover his tracks by saying he cross posted when he didn't. Therefore, he thought he was voting for Greenie first.

[Inziladun]

I see that there's been some interesting things happening. However, I just got in from work, I haven't had a meal in around 9 hours, and I'm tired. So, for the moment I'll just respond to this.


Zil
Interactions with Lottie: Very little data, but she seems to talk rather "personal" about him, while all he says about her is commenting something Lommy has said. Weird.
Interactions with Greenie: Uh. She keeps the cover of being unable to read him all the time, wishy-washes on whether to rep-vote him or not, light suspicion on both sides until Zil goes turncloaks and votes her quite randomly. Mutual rep votes. Looks very bad but I wonder if they'd really discuss that openly if they were fellows...

"Personal" with Lottie in what way? And there really wasn't much to discuss with her on Day 1. I didn't like her vote for tp, and I thought I made that clear enough otherwise.

As for my rep-vote for Greenie, it was unplanned. I had a healthy amount of distrust for tp, and she was one of the ones he did not have on his "wish list" for rep, which made her an appealing choice.
My vote for her lynch was due to Foley's last-ditch pleas to save Nerwen. Since I already had thought Foley was likely innocent, that made me think she could be the Seer. Therefore, I went with Greenie.

x/d with Foley

[Nerwen]

The voting recap I gave of the first three days already implicated Green and Inzil, and yesterday they voted for each other yet again? Can it really be that simple? Especially considering his waiting to vote yesterday until last- like he was hoping to save Green but in the end had to hop on the train and pretend as if he threw the first stone. I mean- why would he vote Green anyway? I recall he was pointing fingers at Rune and I just before that, and showed no signs of voting Green in the lead-up. So why else would he have that vote sitting on his screen ready to fire unless to make himself look good?
Interesting point. I argued earlier that Rune was the more likely Elf of the two, because his vote was forced, but I suppose you could say Zil's was too, in a way– that is, I (along with Foley) was putting pressure on Rune to vote Greenie, and making it clear I was likely to vote her myself. And he couldn't very well have voted me.

He could have just held his vote though, and hoped for a tie.

Thing is, it all happened very fast at the end there, and I think everyone's votes crossed. So it's hard to tell what was going through people's heads– whether for instance it would have been clear in time that Greenie was going down.

EDIT:X'd since tp.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here and reading, and my heart is the OoUA? Priceless. :p

Also, after skimming, several things Eonwe has said today have shot him up my suspicion list. I'll do my best to explain, but I'm less than coherent at the moment because I have tons of... scavenging... to do.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The OoUA shall henceforth be known as special!orc, as that's what I've been calling xer in all of my behind the scenes dealings. More specifically, xe shall be known as... Sporc.

Though given traditional ME naming processes, does this necessitate that the father is Phorc?

*Sleepy!mod is sleepy and silly*

[the phantom]

Regarding Rune yesterday, from my perspective it's hard to say much about him at all, as both of the remaining voters (Inzil & Nerwen) looked likely to vote for him, and good or bad he'd want to find anyone to hop on board with.

[Nerwen]

So, I was going to do an analysis of Greenie, but I realise I can't add anything to Legate's or Lommy's. The nature of this game is such that the wolves are less likely to leave trails to each other, since only a few people can lynch–vote each Day. There's rep-voting, but that cuts both ways– the two known wolves each voted an innocent for rep on Day One, after all.

If we pick one person to lynch toDay, I rather fancy Steve. That said, there's cases to be made for and against everyone. And we have no Seer now. I'm just saying, we could always lynch the lot of them.

[Nerwen]

Besides, it would be historic.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Interesting point. I argued earlier that Rune was the more likely Elf of the two, because his vote was forced, but I suppose you could say Zil's was too, in a way– that is, I (along with Foley) was putting pressure on Rune to vote Greenie, and making it clear I was likely to vote her myself. And he couldn't very well have voted me.

He could have just held his vote though, and hoped for a tie.

Thing is, it all happened very fast at the end there, and I think everyone's votes crossed. So it's hard to tell what was going through people's heads– whether for instance it would have been clear in time that Greenie was going down.


I had no idea who was getting lynched when I voted for Greenie, but I was pretty convinced that Nerwen and Zil would vote for either me or Greenie. So my only two choices it seemed was to vote Greenie or Nerwen.

Just when Greenie cast her vote I considered voting for Nerwen, but didn't because 1) I didn't have the guts*. 2) It would be highly unproductive to settle a lynch so early before the discussion had gotten proper started.

Anyways I am afraid that I won't be around to defend my self today as I have to tend a family celebration.

*Guts = I was not sure about Nerwen (This being the most important of the reasons), I was afraid of being let by a SoE like a mindless sheep and I was afraid of the implications if I once again jumped on to the idea presented by somebody else aka afraid the vote would look bad.

[Eönwë]

If we pick one person to lynch toDay, I rather fancy Steve.
Do you have any reason for that?

[Nerwen]

Do you have any reason for that?

Well, there's the Greenie-issue– why did she go for me instead of you?

And toDay you're overly doubtful of Mira's innocent-list. And when discussing whether phantom might be the OoUA, you are at pains to point out that the OoUA's identity can't be proven, which makes me wonder if you were considering a false reveal. And this:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien
Lastly, I have a phantomesque plan. Since we have six unknowns and three known innocents who are going to be our reps, wouldn't it actually make sense to group lynch the six of us?
Do you really want to end the game now, and without even 100% evidence? You seem a bit too certain that Phantom, Nerwen and Shasta are innocents, and even if they're much closer to 'proven' innocents than everyone else, they're not. And anyway, where's the fun that?

[Nerwen]

Are reps allowed to withhold some of their votes? Even if they're not, we can lynch six people at one vote each, and then if the game continues we'll know the survivor's a wolf. And there'll still be two innocents alive toMorrow.

Or is this too unsporting? (Because, as we all know, Orcs are so deeply concerned with honour and fair play. Oh wait...)

Thoughts?

[Inziladun]

If we pick one person to lynch toDay, I rather fancy Steve. That said, there's cases to be made for and against everyone. And we have no Seer now. I'm just saying, we could always lynch the lot of them.

If you all decide on one, I'd say Rune over Steve.

Are reps allowed to withhold some of their votes? Even if they're not, we can lynch six people at one vote each, and then if the game continues we'll know the survivor's a wolf. And there'll still be two innocents alive toMorrow.

Or is this too unsporting? (Because, as we all know, Orcs are so deeply concerned with honour and fair play. Oh wait...)

Thoughts?

I don't know about the "unsporting" aspect. "All's fair," etc., maybe. That's up to you reps. It could certainly bring a quick end to things.

[Eönwë]

Well, there's the Greenie-issue– why did she go for me instead of you? Well, you were her top "suspect" after Sally the previous Day.

And toDay you're overly doubtful of Mira's innocent-list.
All I said was that it's not 100% certain, and so maybe not worth the entire game. And this was before you'd revealed to back it up.

And when discussing whether phantom might be the OoUA, you are at pains to point out that the OoUA's identity can't be proven, which makes me wonder if you were considering a false reveal.
Well, it can't be, can it?

And for that matter, how do we know that you're really the OoUA? You just basically used the names from that list and added Foley. Anyone could do that. Or alternatively, you could be the OoUA who turned to the elves and is faking an innocent choice. All I'm saying is that certainty is a luxury we can't afford in this game.

Are reps allowed to withhold some of their votes? Even if they're not, we can lynch six people at one vote each, and then if the game continues we'll know the survivor's a wolf. And there'll still be two innocents alive toMorrow.Also, are reps still in effect when there are 3 people left? Because then, if the scenario you suggest were to happen, the elves would win.

[the phantom]

The orc of unknown allegiance appears as as such to the seer, should xe be dreamt of. If the seer dreams of xim before xe chooses sides, the seer will be updated as to xer side once xe has chosen.
According to this, there's no way Nerwen, Shasta, or I is an evil special!orc, right? Because Mira would've seen us as such and also been notified that we had chosen to be evil, correct?

[Nerwen]

According to this, there's no way Nerwen, Shasta, or I is an evil special!orc, right? Because Mira would've seen us as such and also been notified that we had chosen to be evil, correct?
Correct.

And Steve, as for this theory of yours that I might be an imposter– who do you suppose it is, then?

[the phantom]

Steve- if you truly fear Nerwen is bad, we can have her split her votes first.

Which three are you looking to vote for, Nerwen?

[Nerwen]

Steve- if you truly fear Nerwen is bad, we can have her split her votes first.

Which three are you looking to vote for, Nerwen?

*shrug*

Well, I'm definitely thinking of voting for Steve now. Not sure about the others... Maybe Rune and Kath. (That's fairly random, by the way.)

[Folwren]

Sorry for being absent all day. I took a test this morning that last several hours and then I came home and slept for two hours because my sleeping time last night was cut so short...

I just want to reiterate that I'd rather live than make history today.

I suspect Steve, too - have since yesterday. I think Kath is potentially a wolf. I don't distrust Inzil or Lommy....Rune still has a question mark in my mind. Let those three be your work. Who else am I forgetting?

Now I am off to wake my sleepy brain and do some homework. *sigh*

-- Foley

[Nerwen]

As requested, I'll vote first.

++Steve++
++Kath++
++Rune++

And now it's up to phantom and Shasta what to do.

Good luck!

[the phantom]

So Nerwen- you are leaning towards voting Steve, Rune, and Kath.

That leaves Inzil, Folwren, Lommy, and Legate for Shasta to choose his three from. I can take care of whichever person is left over. If we're doing the multi-lynch thing, I don't really care who I vote for.

(EDIT: x-post, never mind then about "leaning towards", the votes are cast)

[Nerwen]

I just want to reiterate that I'd rather live than make history today.
Foley, why does it matter so much to you? If you're innocent and we lynch everyone, you win.

EDIT:X'd with phorc.

[Nerwen]

So Nerwen- you are leaning towards voting Steve, Rune, and Kath.

That leaves Inzil, Folwren, Lommy, and Legate for Shasta to choose his three from. I can take care of whichever person is left over. If we're doing the multi-lynch thing, I don't really care who I vote for.

Just remember: in case you two change your minds and decide not to lynch everyone, make sure you don't end up leaving exactly two unknowns alive. It would be a pity if they happened to be the Elves.

[Eönwë]

Steve- if you truly fear Nerwen is bad, we can have her split her votes first.
No, I don't actually think she's evil. I was just pointing out that she doesn't have any proof of her role. In fact, because of her sensitivity on the issue (i.e., saying it's bad that I mentioned that you can't prove it), I'm inclined to believe her.

And anyway, if the plan really is to go ahead as planned and she wasn't the OoUA, I think the real one would've revealed by now.

[Eönwë]

Foley, why does it matter so much to you? If you're innocent and we lynch everyone, you win.
Well, with that logic, why don't you play even safer, and let the phantom lynch both you and Shasta?

edit: Or was that already his cunning plan?

[Kath]

Not a wolf. But not averse to dying in a massive bloodbath to make history if you're going for this lynching 6 people thing!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I am just around now and, well, do I get it right that the plan is to lynch everybody except the three folks? Not that I am against winning the game, but I have to join the ranks of those who think whether it isn't it a bit... lame way to do it? Although I know, people's participation in the latter days hasn't been so strong, and who knows how it would continue anyway. Well, at least let me say that I think that if by some ununderstandable trick more than one of the "known innocents" are Wolves, it would definitely be more memorable. Or, I would put it this way: at least this kind of victory is not going to be the most memorable thing for me about this game, if it's done that way... it's quite random.

But yes, if you think it's "safe" way to do it...

And if phantom lynches all people like Steve said, and inflates his ego so that it bursts, I think he at least accomplished his goal and can be happy with that memory for the rest of his life...

For whatever, I am probably leaving now anyway...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm up for this, I think.

++Lommy++
++Legate++

Phantom, I'll let you pick between Folwren and Inzil. Or vote both, if you like.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Actually, Phantom, I insist. Vote for both Inzil and Folwren, if you'd be so kind. :)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I will kill no more than six. Choose wisely.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I will kill no more than six. Choose wisely.

Rats. Well, at least this means Phantom can't use his other votes on Nerwen and me so he can be the only player remaining alive, like I was suspecting that he'd do. :p

++Inziladun++

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Also, phantom may not abstain.

[Folwren]

Foley, why does it matter so much to you? If you're innocent and we lynch everyone, you win.

I don't quite see it as that...having lived so long and for once having lived without being doubted and all, I would really hate to die from 'friendly fire', or mercy killing, or whatever you want to call it. I'm just like that.

I actually see killing people like myself and Lommy as wasting lives. Ya'll know we're both 99% likely to be innocent - why slaughter us with the rest?

But it appears that I'm not going to die anyway. I'm just sorry you killed Lommy.

-- Foley

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Didn't Phantom abstain Day 1, though?

[Folwren]

Also, phantom may not abstain.

What do you mean, Phorc can't abstain?? He's abstained before in the game. What do you mean? Does this mean only three people will die? that's not fair, oh most beloved mod-god person - you changed the rules after the other reps had voted, ruining their plans.

I make a motion that you let the other reps re-vote, now that you've thrown this wrench into the mix.

Either what I said above made sense or I'm horribly confused, 'cause it can't be both.

x-posted with Shasta, and corrected a spelling error.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I make a motion that you let the other reps re-vote, now that you've thrown this wrench into the mix.

I'm okay with this. The other reps can re-vote. Every rep must use at least two out of three of their votes. I will only mass-murder up to six players.

My game went faster than planned due to modfires. I want more illustrations, consarnit!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm okay with this. The other reps can re-vote. Every rep must use at least two out of three of their votes. I will only mass-murder up to six players.

My game went faster than planned due to modfires. I want more illustrations, consarnit!

That's fair enough, as long as Nerwen can be here within the next three hours. I understand the modfire point. :(

Let's see, then. I definitely want two votes to be -

++Legate++
++Eonwe++

Phantom, Nerwen? Please be here, this is a big decision to make all by my lonesome. :P

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

In the interest of fairness, if Nerwen doesn't show up, I'll just call it a day and let phantom do whatever he wants with his votes.

*pouts*

*wants more time to doodle*

:(

[Eönwë]

Let's see, then. I definitely want two votes to be -

++Legate++
++Eonwe++

Really? Why?

[Eönwë]

Just realised that I missed out this.

And this:



Lastly, I have a phantomesque plan. Since we have six unknowns and three known innocents who are going to be our reps, wouldn't it actually make sense to group lynch the six of us?
Do you really want to end the game now, and without even 100% evidence? You seem a bit too certain that Phantom, Nerwen and Shasta are innocents, and even if they're much closer to 'proven' innocents than everyone else, they're not. And anyway, where's the fun that?
I play to win, yes, but I also play to play. Otherwise there's no point.

So basically, yeah, even if we can't do the plan, I think we should have a multiple lynch. If you're going to kill me, at least try to help the village by killing someone else who might actually be a wolf.


And why have I just become an official person to lynch with no actual good reason?

[Eönwë]

So am I the only person around now? Ok, goodnight then, and choose who you lynch wisely.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

*growl*

*pout*

Okay. New executive decision. It's jerkishly unfair for me to change the rules so late in the Day.

Ignore that whole "the old votes don't count" thing.

The current vote tally is:

1 for steve (nerwen)
1 for kath (nerwen)
1 for rune (nerwen)
1 for lommy (shasta)
1 for legate (shasta)
1 for zil (shasta)

And Phorc may do whatever he likes with his votes, but I *hope* he'll do something that pleases me and gives me a longer game.

:Merisu:

[the phantom]

I expected to have internet where I am, but I don't. I had to leave for a second just to post this. WHAT'S GOING ON??!!

Can I seriously NOT clinch the game for the good-guys by splitting my three votes and thus leaving me as the only player alive? And I can't abstain either??!!

If that is the case, then that means I can possibly lynch more than three people, and seeing as I have to leave and go back to where I have no web access, I can't possibly do any reading in order to decide who to lynch.

I'll try to get back online in an hour. Nerwen or Shasta- I expect one of you to sort this thing out for me, and whatever you tell me to do then I will do it.

Sorry good-guys if this sure-win turns into a loss because I can't be around. When I made these plans I had no idea that I was going to need to do any actual deciding today. See you in an hour.

[Eönwë]

Nerwen or Shasta- I expect one of you to sort this thing out for me, and whatever you tell me to do then I will do it.
But they'll try to get me killed!


edit: Yeah, I couldn't sleep.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Due to divine modgoddess blessing, I actually haven't voted for Inzil yet.

The current vote tally -

Eonwe - 1 (Nerwen)
Kath - 1 (Nerwen)
Rune - 1 (Nerwen)
Lommy - 1 (Shasta)
Legate - 1 (Shasta)

Phantom, if you could vote for Folwren and Inziladun with two of your votes, that would be just lovely.

[Eönwë]

Due to divine modgoddess blessing, I actually haven't voted for Inzil yet.

The current vote tally -

Eonwe - 1 (Nerwen)
Kath - 1 (Nerwen)
Rune - 1 (Nerwen)
Lommy - 1 (Shasta)
Legate - 1 (Shasta)

Phantom, if you could vote for Folwren and Inziladun with two of your votes, that would be just lovely.
Actually:
I will kill no more than six. Choose wisely.So no. He can either vote for one more person, or do the more interesting option and vote for whoever he finds suspicious.

And Fea, will the last Day use reps?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Actually:
So no. He can either vote for one more person, or do the more interesting option and vote for whoever he finds suspicious.

I think you missed where I just said, "Phorc may do whatever he likes with his votes, but I *hope* he'll do something that pleases me and gives me a longer game."

He can vote for as many or as few as he wants. He can even abstain. It was unfair for me to tamper with the rules so late in the Day, so I retracted all my modly intrusions.

No limits on his votes.

And Fea, will the last Day use reps?

No. Just straight voting.

[Eönwë]

I think you missed where I just said, "Phorc may do whatever he likes with his votes, but I *hope* he'll do something that pleases me and gives me a longer game."

He can vote for as many or as few as he wants. He can even abstain. It was unfair for me to tamper with the rules so late in the Day, so I retracted all my modly intrusions.

No limits on his votes.
Ah, sorry. I wasn't sure what you meant by that. It's late. :rolleyes:


No. Just straight voting.
Ok, that's a relief

[the phantom]

Okay, I'm here for about FIVE MINUTES.

I need to know right this instant, have all votes been cast, and who still does not have a vote?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Okay, I'm here for about FIVE MINUTES.

I need to know right this instant, have all votes been cast, and who still does not have a vote?

No, I have one remaining. Folwren and Inziladun (and the three of us) do not have votes.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Eonwe - 1 (Nerwen)
Kath - 1 (Nerwen)
Rune - 1 (Nerwen)
Lommy - 1 (Shasta)
Legate - 1 (Shasta)

Shasta still has one and you have all three.

No votes: Zil, Nerwen, Shasta, Phorc, and... Ummmmmm... *is forgetting someone I think* Foley! And Foley.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

And I gave you a vote tally previously, :p.

[the phantom]

Shasta- if the multi-lynch is in fact a go now, hurry up and choose either Inzil or Foley for your last target so I don't vote the same person and screw it all up.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shasta- if the multi-lynch is in fact a go now, hurry up and choose either Inzil or Foley for your last target so I don't vote the same person and screw it all up.

I won't have to even use my last vote. Just vote for Inzil and Folwren.

[the phantom]

Shasta- if you don't vote for either of them within three minutes, I will vote for both of them plus you. ;)

[Eönwë]

Ok, well if I'm going to die, can I at least ask you two to do something interesting for the village? Please?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shasta- if you don't vote for either of them within three minutes, I will vote for both of them plus you. ;)

Do it. I'll just vote you, leaving Nerwen alive. I'm not stupid, Phantom. The moment I vote, you'll vote whoever I didn't, plus Nerwen and myself.

[Eönwë]

See, this is why I don't like the plan. It was obvious we'd get a fight like this. That's why we should do something different.

[the phantom]

And why would that bother you, Shasta? If you're an Orc, then a win is a win.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

And why would that bother you, Shasta? If you're an Orc, then a win is a win.

Mostly I just don't want to give you the satisfaction of being the only player left alive. :rolleyes: Why do you not want to just vote and give us the win already?

[the phantom]

Crap... My connection is is fuzzing out. I have to vote now while I can.

++Foley
++Inzil
++Shasta

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shenanigans.

++phantom++

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Farewell, my heart! I will always love you! :Merisu:

[Eönwë]

We all knew that would happen.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Well that's certainly what I like to call a Dead Line.

Hush until I post narration.

[the phantom]

Mostly I just don't want to give you the satisfaction of being the only player left alive. Why do you not want to just vote and give us the win already?
Why did YOU not want to just vote and give us the win already?!

This is not my problem. I'm the one with barely enough time and a bad connection. This is not on me, laddie, this is on you. Anyway, I have to go right away.

(You could've ended all of this nonsense by just voting while I was gone. Don't act like I'm the one complicating it.)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs319.ash2/59964_162617990415271_100000012124034_518484_49307 83_n.jpg

Nerwen survived. She was special!orc and chose to play for the good of the village.

Due to early warning about what would happen if there were any more modfires, Fea wins.

Discussion is open.

Good job, everybody.

[Loslote]

What, we don't get to find out who the other elves were? :Merisu:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Haha fiiiiiine. Legate is Other Guy and Zil is Elrohir.

I was actually accused a few Days ago of modeling Elrohir's appearance after Shasta! :eek:

[Nienna]

Children, children... You leave my sight for a few hours and you mass murder? Lovely.

I win too.

[Loslote]

Haha fiiiiiine. Legate is Other Guy and Zil is Elrohir.

Ohhhhh! That explains so much. :p

[Folwren]

There was another modfire after you made that threat?

I still think I shouldn't've been killed. I WAS an innocent.

I'm sorry I killed you, Sally. It's the only thing I regret in this game, really.

Yeah, who are the other elves?

-- Foley

[Folwren]

Inzil was guilty? Okay, so, yeah, that's another thing I regret. He had me hoodwinked.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

There was another modfire after you made that threat?

Celuien. I briefly contemplating calling it quits the moment I got that PM since everybody playing my game was either getting freakishly ill all of a sudden (ex: Mira, me, etc) or ended up freakishly allergic to things (ex: me, Sally, Boro, etc) or completely freakishly overwhelmed with life/work (ex: Glirdy and Celuien) or dead interwebs (ex: Noggins and Greenie, very nearly me)...

I really think this was the most cursed game in BD history.

[Nerwen]

Inzil was guilty? Okay, so, yeah, that's another thing I regret. He had me hoodwinked.
See why lynching everyone was a good idea? I know it was over the top, but we won, didn't we? (Yes, we did win, people. That's how the game works.;) I assume the mods are just kidding us.)

[Nerwen]

Anyway, thanks for the game, Fea and Ni! It's a pity it was marred by the Terrible Elven Curse of Doom... Still, the narrations were cool.

[Loslote]

The narrations were amazing! Seriously, best. Ever. :D

Also, fail!me failed. Epically. :rolleyes: Sorry, packmates.

[Inziladun]

Inzil was guilty? Okay, so, yeah, that's another thing I regret. He had me hoodwinked.

At least I worked my magic on one person. ;)

Also, fail!me failed. Epically. :rolleyes: Sorry, packmates.

Worry not, Ms. New Fenris. ;) Fail on my part as well, packmates. We did the best we could; at least we killed the Seer. Sorry about voting Greenie for the lynch, but I couldn't have stopped it. At best I could have tied her with Nerwen, but that would no doubt have led to my swift demise the next Day.

Good teamwork from the Orcish sde. I was briefly optimistic after we actually guessed correctly and got Mira, but I saw no way out of the voting plan. We couldn't oppose it without blatantly appearing suspicious.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I assume the mods are just kidding us.)

We're not.

[Inziladun]

I really think this was the most cursed game in BD history.

For my part, this game from the beginning coincided with a confluence of unlikely RL events (mostly work related) that led not only to low participation from me, but also to my not really having my head in the game.
Once again, sorry mates.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

As a sidenote, I had this one really sad moment last night when I realized that without Pitchwife playing, I'd never be able to make any proper PitchPhorc jokes...

Also, it downright delighted me that an double-ordo double-lynch was orchestrated singularly by ordos. If the orcs hadn't drank the kool-aid toDay, I really do believe the elfie baby wockies would have won the day.

Oh, and though he might want to reveal this himself, I'm taking it from him because I'm proud of his epic-ness: the Night Noggles got ninjaed? He'd sent me a woeful PM saying that all of his suspicions had failed him and that starting first thing in the Morning he was going to be going after Greenie and Legate. So good on you, Elvsies, for killing him when you did, otherwise I really doubt you'd have made it as far.

[Folwren]

See why lynching everyone was a good idea?

I'm pretty stubborn, so nope, I'm afraid I don't quite see it that way. I'd like to argue it, but I think that would make you mad at me, and I would just be arguing because it's a good debate, not because I'm actually upset. Now that's it's done with, I'm not mad or anything. I just don't agree...lol

We're not.

And, see? It didn't work anyway.

Fea, I'm sorry people kept dropping out of your game. That would have been extraordinarily vexing. I kind of know the feeling, though, with RPGs these days. *sigh*

It was a blast, folks. I won't be able to play again until the end of this semester, I don't think.

-- Folworc

[Nerwen]

We're not.
Okay, but I'm claiming it as a village victory– which it was according to the actual way WW works. And I'm going to list it as such in my stats. If you wanted to declare it impossible for any players to win, you should have done that when Cel dropped out.

Besides, it's not our fault people had to quit. It's just bad luck. Come on, Fea, don't be a spoilsport.

[Nerwen]

And, see? It didn't work anyway.
Yes, it did. It's a victory according to the normal rules of werewolf.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Mmm, delicious kool-aid.

And I knew Legate was an Elf! :p

Thanks for hosting, Fea/Ni, and awesome doodles, Fea. <3

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I was actually accused a few Days ago of modeling Elrohir's appearance after Shasta!

Wait, when was this? :smokin:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Wait, when was this? :smokin:

From Noggles in a PM. It's the hair, I think. :p

[Thinlómien]

HA!

We won! I'm not even sad by being completely fooled by Legate because I got my epic bloodbath suggestion thorugh and a victory to the village. :p

Also, happy to have caught Zil. :smokin:

I liked this game a lot, thanks everybody, especially the moddessess. <3 I'm sorry to have been a part of bringing such a quick end to it, but at least now this game won't mess up my RL schedules anymore... ;)

PS. Dear Moddessess, don't sulk, you just shouldn't have allowed either splitting the votes or multiple lynches (which I dislike anyway). That's why we won it so easily this time...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ah well, I guess there was no way to stop that one... a slight downside of unlimited multi-lynches, I'd say (that goes also for the opposite, for instance if it happened that all SoE got into the Rep position and decided to wipe out nine villagers plus one at Night). Experiments need checking for balance, I know it also from personal experience... Nonetheless! This was really fun game, and I especially liked my pack. Thanks, Inzil (good cooperation!), Greenie (brave, how unfortunate ending!) and Lottie (what a pity you couldn't last longer!). And what I liked a lot was that I managed to generally refrain from being suspected, in fact, all of us mostly did. Ah, what an unfortunate turn of events. Although, I must say, catching the Seer was giving us nightmares, right, Zil? One of the most memorable parts of the game was probably going through endless options on the Night when Mira was killed. (And that same Night, I actually concluded that phorc has to be OoUA! It was his attempt to "Seer-contact" somebody - we of course knew that the OoUA has sided with the village - and then, I have concluded that his "Orcs are baddies" was his way of interpretating the game, as the only thing that didn't make sense for me was that Phantom would not have joined the Wolves - I would have expected the OoUA to join the SoE "for sport" and also because they were baddies, and then I thought that the problem was that the "Wolves" were not baddies in this game, so perhaps that...)

Anyway, it was enjoyable, hats off to Shasta for good spotting and to Nerwen for keeping her identity tactically so well... and to everybody else, it was really nice. Except for the ending :p (I must say, I really think game-wise it was a bit lame, regardless of the side I was on. Although in a way, if the game continued, I am not sure if the ending would have been more spectacular. On the other hand, narration-wise, what ending could possibly have been more Orc-like than everybody killing each other, eh?)

And thanks for the game to Fea and Ni, for giving us a Rep game after some time again, and for putting a new fresh wind into the way of making narrations :)

[wilwarin538]

Hey, good job everyone! Mass lynching hasn't happened in quite a while, it's very fun!

Great job Ni and Fea!!! Thanks for a great game, and wonderful narrations! :D

[Folwren]

You know, really, since only ordos were dropping out, it really made the game a lot tighter there at the end. So the fact that the village won really says something. We lost quite a big number of people.

It was a really good game. Fea, your narations cracked me up. Thanks for allowing me to join you all. :D

I had a dream last night where Boro started a game that he was narating and I had already agreed to play in his game...it really worried me, because I knew I didn't have time for it, but I thought I had to play since I'd already agreed. But it wasn't the only strange dream I had last night.

-- Foley

[Nerwen]

Except for the ending (I must say, I really think game-wise it was a bit lame, regardless of the side I was on.
Nonsense! We made history! You should feel privileged to have taken part in the Great Werewolf Massacre of 2010. Though I admit it was possibly a little more fun for those of us doing the actual massacring.;)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Nonsense! We made history! You should feel privileged to have taken part in the Great Werewolf Massacre of 2010. Though I admit it was possibly a little more fun for those of us doing the actual massacring.;)

I'll agree with this statement. The actual massacring was the best part.

[Nogrod]

That sure was a surprising ending!!! Go orcs go! *is proud of his orc-companions*

Yeah, I really ended up with the wrong theory... I was thinking that Sally was the seer and she had dreamt of phantom on the first Night. It actually made sense (even after close-reading Sally's posts early on D1) and explained how they both acted... and gave me total frustration when everyone was asking why I insisted on the seer to check them (he-he, I thought there was a pretty nice flavour there, especially looking at what happened the next Night) - and that's also the reason why I tried to downplay the importance of checking them by lynching - as not to make the elves too interested.

And yes, I was going to go for Greenie and Legate the next Day... They had made me quite nervous all the time and when my previous theory went tumbling down I thought I could have been up to something with their voting and all too careful defence of Lottie. But clearly, toying with the seer issue was not only brave but also (too) dangerous to me... :rolleyes:

But hey, it was a fun game! And I especially loved the cartoon narations! (Correct: I found one of the elves disturbingly Shasta-looklike! :D)

Thanks everyone for the game and congrats to the winners (Fea & Nienna)!

[Pitchwife]

As a sidenote, I had this one really sad moment last night when I realized that without Pitchwife playing, I'd never be able to make any proper PitchPhorc jokes...
:D
Sorry for that! I'd have loved to play in this game (the idea and the makeup of the village were very tempting), but I've sort of made it a rule not to play two in a row anymore in order to avoid WW taking over my life (talk about fighting the long defeat, I guess;)). Still, I followed the game with one eye - it was a highly entertaining murder mystery/polit thriller, and your narrations were absolutely lovely!

[the phantom]

Ah ha ha ha ha ha!!!! NINE-PERSON LYNCH!!! :D

Don't you just love making history?

So Nerwen was the Special!Orc. I thought she might be after that first day where she didn't take any sides as far as individuals were concerned. The only problem was I was operating under the notion that Special!Orc would have for certain chosen to be with the Elves due to an Elf getting lynched the first day. So then when she was buddy-buddy with Shasta I was rather worried it was Special!Orc and Elf teaming up. Ah well...

At the least I can say I was correctly after Greenie-Inzil, and my read on Steve's Day 2 voting was spot on. As far as feeling Legate to be guilty, it was less gut than it was just seeing a couple of familiar Phantomish things from him (my explanation of his Rep vote, for instance- I just felt that if he was an Elf his behavior would make perfect sense to me). So Legate- be extremely afraid, because that says to me that on many levels you must actually think like me! :p

(And I bet Lommy just loves that.)

Speaking of Lommy, I never did completely totally trust her. And then after I wasn't killed for pretending to be the Seer the night Mira was killed, that only made it more certain that I couldn't let Lommy off the hook, nor Rune, but less so (but I was confident I was right about Kath in my fake Seer ruse).

Had I been limited to one in the lynching, Inzil would've been my choice, but as far as lynching Legate the next day it would have depended upon who the other Reps were and which way the vote was going etc. I would've voted him before Steve or Kath or Foley, but Lommy and Rune were still on the platter.

Lottie was a nice spot of luck, naturally, and I'm glad that of my first day voters she was the one who got the axe, as Sally was the more likely Seer of the first two, while the final voter (Mira) was the real Seer! Which, by the way, is one reason I promised not to vote for anyone who voted for me because being who I am I just naturally assumed that there was around a 90% chance that I was dreamed of the first night and that the Seer could very well vote me as Rep on Day 1.

Self-centered, yeah yeah yeah, I know, but hey- it happened, didn't it? You can't blame me for assuming something when it comes true like that! (And the same thing happened in the last one of these Rep games too!)

And Nog, matey- well done!! You did what I could not- get yourself Night-killed. :D I was seriously jealous the night you got offed. "Well crap, Nog totally did a better job than me!"

And is the rumor true- Fea-Nienna are going to provide cartoon death scenes for every single future game of Werewolf? Because that's what I heard. From everyone. And BW said if it doesn't happen then he's shutting down the site. Yep. Seriously.

[wilwarin538]

And is the rumor true- Fea-Nienna are going to provide cartoon death scenes for every single future game of Werewolf? Because that's what I heard. From everyone. And BW said if it doesn't happen then he's shutting down the site. Yep. Seriously.

I would highly approve of this. ;):D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And is the rumor true- Fea-Nienna are going to provide cartoon death scenes for every single future game of Werewolf? Because that's what I heard. From everyone. And BW said if it doesn't happen then he's shutting down the site. Yep. Seriously.

I'll likely do it for my own games. Glad everyone liked the idea.