Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, Quarantine Thread

[Galadriel55]

Bets for toMorrow:

Boro: just kidding, I am the Seer, and I just bought the village one more dream!

[Galadriel55]

Two minutes to go!

[Nogrod]

Galadriel55 – Andróg, the Cobbler (voted into QT on Day1)

Rikae – Haldir, formerly healthy person (infected by the shady Infectors on Night2)

Huinesoron – Hareth, an Infector (voted into QT on Day2)

Kitanna – Huor, the Ranger (infected in the woods by the Infectors on Night3)

Sally – Túrin, the Hunter (voted into QT on Day3)

Macalaure – Grithnir, healthy person (dragged into the QT by the Hunter on Day3)

Legate of Amon Lanc – Asgon, healthy person (infected sneakily on Night4)

Lhunardawen – Sador, an Infector (voted into QT on Day4)

Lalaith – Rían, healthy person (overrun and infected by the Infectors on Night5)

Inziladun – Halmir, healthy person (voted into QT on Day5)

Pitchwife – Turin’s Nurse, healthy person (infected by the Infectors on Night6)

THE Ka – Indor, an Infector (voted into QT on Day6)

[Inziladun]

And there was much rejoicing!

[Galadriel55]

Welcome, Ka!

[Inziladun]

Enter, thou Infected One!

[Rikae]

Welcome, THE Ka! Glad to have you with us!

You're in the good place. ;)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

HA! Yes!

Welcome, Ka - grab a disinfected glass and sit all the way over there. I would welcome you more cheerfully, but, you know, we have certain policies towards the Infectors here.

But then again, hey. We are all in the same quarantine. You can join us toMorrow in voting Bri...

-or will you, huh? Will you???

[Pitchwife]

Go Shasta! And welcome, Ka!


(Incidentally it just strikes me, it makes zero realistic sense to quarantine the sick together with the healthy, does it? Except if you hope we'll all develop herd immunity.)

[Huinesoron]

Hey Ka, welcome to the party. :)

hS

[Rikae]

Speaking for myself, it's because she came out as a possible wolf in my analysis regardless of Boro's role, the others have various problems (possible Shasta-seer situation, Ka is just too much of a scapegoat toDay and targeted by Boro), her role would shed light on Boro ... and it would be epic.

I look like I'm contraadicting myself .. people will think I'm evil! :o

Regardless of his role meaning whether he's good or evil, light on him meaning how seerish declaring her innocent was/looked.

[Galadriel55]

(Incidentally it just strikes me, it makes zero realistic sense to quarantine the sick together with the healthy, does it? Except if you hope we'll all develop herd immunity.)

Realistically you should isolate the sick and quarantine the potentially sick. Though in practice, that kind of is happening, since the Wolves can talk behind the scenes. It's like the truly infected have a separate room in the Hall.

[Pitchwife]

It's like the truly infected have a separate room in the Hall.
I just read that as a separate room in Hell.


Bedtime for me. See yous!

[Inziladun]

Go Shasta! And welcome, Ka!

If we do have ShastaSeer, he's set up Steve for tomorrow.

[Nogrod]

(Incidentally it just strikes me, it makes zero realistic sense to quarantine the sick together with the healthy, does it? Except if you hope we'll all develop herd immunity.)
I actually thought about that when planning this one. But then I realized, there was no way of telling whether one is ill or not, at least with everyone - and you had no idea what that weird spell of Morgoth was either.

Add to that, it's a small village with little or no larger spaces that can be locked up.

So I thought it was decentish enough an idea to get over with and get the game rolling with a "Quarantine Thread" being able to play and take part in the Game itself.

But yes. I can list several inconsistencies in the narrative universe already, but let's not let them spoil a fun game. :p


Heh, I started to answer to this more or less tongue-in-cheek and now it reads like I'm making a serious defence of my game-mechanics... :confused:

So really no problem here, let's just have fun with this and believe in the make-believe. :)

[Inziladun]

So really no problem here, let's just have fun with this and believe in the make-believe. :)

This is a world with talking swords, talking dogs, talking eagles, and talking trees. I won't stick at a bit of scientific inaccuracy, ;)

[THE Ka]

Thanks for the welcome everyone. I've been curious about how this thread has been working out and it seems chaotic and lovely.

These morons are all voting before us! :eek:

You can thank Lommy for that well-intended petition (really, it was well-intended). Now it's more social obligation.
It worked pretty nice some days.

But then again, hey. We are all in the same quarantine. You can join us toMorrow in voting Bri...

-or will you, huh? Will you???

Considering I've voted Brinn quite often in the GT in my 'own bubble', why would I stop now? :p It's almost a tradition.

This is a world with talking swords, talking dogs, talking eagles, and talking trees. I won't stick at a bit of scientific inaccuracy,

You forgot foxes with internal monologues, too.

Pitch, I feel kind of bad. I really did think you were the seer for awhile, but I went back and did the math and it's been twelve years since my last WW game so my information is antiquated on what makes a seer. Which helps the actual seer out a bit, apparently. :rolleyes:

Anyways, just a heads up I will be driving the next three days so I will only be able to really respond over my phone and if there is available service. Apologies in advance, but I really don't know how some of you do this over your phone.

NogMod - Thank you for the well written send out!

[Lhunardawen]

I just read that as a separate room in Hell.
Oddly enough, so did I. :eek:

Welcome, Ka! Don't forget to clear your PM box so you don't miss out on where the real fun is. ;)

[Pitchwife]

But yes. I can list several inconsistencies in the narrative universe already, but let's not let them spoil a fun game.


Heh, I started to answer to this more or less tongue-in-cheek and now it reads like I'm making a serious defence of my game-mechanics...

So really no problem here, let's just have fun with this and believe in the make-believe.
Oh, I didn't mean to criticise your game-setup! Game mechanics often make little realistic sense *cough* inventory management in videogames *cough*, and don't necessarily need to -- It was just something that came to my mind while I explained the game to my wife, a nurse.


Pitch, I feel kind of bad. I really did think you were the seer for awhile, but I went back and did the math and it's been twelve years since my last WW game so my information is antiquated on what makes a seer. Which helps the actual seer out a bit, apparently.

Don't! Both of us did our job, all is fine.:)

[Lalaith]

Anyways, just a heads up I will be driving the next three days so I will only be able to really respond over my phone and if there is available service. Apologies in advance, but I really don't know how some of you do this over your phone.

You and me both. I can read on my phone, obv, but posting with fancy highlights and quotes is beyond me.

Ka, your signature is Faroese, yes?

[Lalaith]

Heh, I started to answer to this more or less tongue-in-cheek and now it reads like I'm making a serious defence of my game-mechanics...

So really no problem here, let's just have fun with this and believe in the make-believe

Nogs, you are indeed a most accomplished Architect. Please don't feel you have to defend a thing, the game mechanics are brilliant.
Btw as a philosopher, what's your take on TGP?

[Lhunardawen]

Oh, I didn't mean to criticise your game-setup! Game mechanics often make little realistic sense *cough* inventory management in videogames *cough*, and don't necessarily need to -- It was just something that came to my mind while I explained the game to my wife, a nurse.
Makes me wonder if my absence of comment on the game mechanics is further proof that I made the right choice to forsake a career path towards Infectious Diseases... :o

[Nogrod]

what's your take on TGP?
Hard to say as I don't have Netflix (I still belong to the HBO-clan).

But I've heard positive comments on it from a few friends.

[Lalaith]

Hard to say as I don't have Netflix (I still belong to the HBO-clan).

But I've heard positive comments on it from a few friends.

Ah so the Architect compliments will be lost on you. Never mind. :)

[THE Ka]

You and me both. I can read on my phone, obv, but posting with fancy highlights and quotes is beyond me.

Ka, your signature is Faroese, yes?


As we speak, I'm in the car and on my phone (not driving, I promise. Just slowly making the other half curious about the Downs. He read one page of the GT and told me to tell everyone they're wolves. I told him he'd make a good cobbler...:rolleyes:).

Yes, but unfortunately I don't speak it except some very basic phrases. It's from a Eivør Pálsdóttir song, í tokuni.

[Lalaith]

I ❤ Eivor. Saw her performing live some years ago and it blew me away

[Nogrod]

I ❤ Eivor. Saw her performing live some years ago and it blew me away
She's really good.

I do recommend listening to her to anyone who hasn't heard of her yet.

[Pitchwife]

So which of the Seers is going to join us toDay? *drumroll*

[Nogrod]

So which of the Seers is going to join us toDay? *drumroll*
:D

:smokin:

:eek:

[Nogrod]

Read the narration before rushing in to the end.

:)

[Pitchwife]

Welcome Shasta! Grab a bowl of popcorn and a beverage of your choice.

[Inziladun]

Welcome Shasta! Grab a bowl of popcorn and a beverage of your choice.

Didn't expect that!:eek:

[Nogrod]

Galadriel55 – Andróg, the Cobbler (voted into QT on Day1)

Rikae – Haldir, formerly healthy person (infected by the shady Infectors on Night2)

Huinesoron – Hareth, an Infector (voted into QT on Day2)

Kitanna – Huor, the Ranger (infected in the woods by the Infectors on Night3)

Sally – Túrin, the Hunter (voted into QT on Day3)

Macalaure – Grithnir, healthy person (dragged into the QT by the Hunter on Day3)

Legate of Amon Lanc – Asgon, healthy person (infected sneakily on Night4)

Lhunardawen – Sador, an Infector (voted into QT on Day4)

Lalaith – Rían, healthy person (overrun and infected by the Infectors on Night5)

Inziladun – Halmir, healthy person (voted into QT on Day5)

Pitchwife – Turin’s Nurse, healthy person (infected by the Infectors on Night6)

THE Ka – Indor, an Infector (voted into QT on Day6)

Shastanis Althreduin – Brandir, healthy little child (outrageously infected on Night7)

[Galadriel55]

Read the narration before rushing in to the end.

Good advice. Didn't help my brain going "there is NO WAY Shasta was the Innocent Child!" before realizing he's actually just Brandir, an innocent child with a lowercase. ;)

[Inziladun]

Good advice. Didn't help my brain going "there is NO WAY Shasta was the Innocent Child!" before realizing he's actually just Brandir, an innocent child with a lowercase. ;)

I was fairly convinced he was the Seer.

[Lalaith]

Welcome Shasta!

[Inziladun]

And does this make Boro evil? Is there really room for more than one innocent-minded fake Seer? :rolleyes:

[Inziladun]

Thirded! Welcome Shasta!

[Pitchwife]

Didn't expect that!:eek:
Me neither. Sounless Boro has pulled a double bluff on us I guess it's Rune, or... or I've got no clue whatsoever.
I just had a horrible thought: What if Steve is innocent, but the wolves are killing off everyone who suspects him just to mess with us?:eek:

[THE Ka]

I ❤ Eivor. Saw her performing live some years ago and it blew me away

Well now you do have a bit of jealousy from me! That must've been wonderful to see.

Also, welcome Shasta! We don't have to vote for each other anymore. :p

[Pitchwife]

Read the narration before rushing in to the end.

:)
By the way, that was some badass narration. All of them so far.

[Lalaith]

Who is the seer wta

[Inziladun]

Who is the seer wta

Phone typing? ;)

[Inziladun]

It's easier for me to say who the Seer isn't. Not to seem too egocentric, but it's difficult to imagine SeerKath, SeerGreenie, or SeerLommy not dreaming of me before my ousting.

Unless, of course, they just said "Eh, easy lynch. Why waste a dream?" ;)

[Lalaith]

Phone typing? ;)

I did type that all in caps...

[Lalaith]

By the way, that was some badass narration. All of them so far.

Abso-lute-ly

[Inziladun]

Just Lottie and Boro posting on GT so far? Are the wolves too busy wringing their hands? ;)

[Galadriel55]

Just Lottie and Boro posting on GT so far? Are the wolves too busy wringing their hands? ;)

Unless Boro and Lottie are the wolves.

[Inziladun]

Unless Boro and Lottie are the wolves.

I won't call it impossible, but I feel all right about Lottie at least.

[Rikae]

I've really been enjoying Nog's narrations. I keep looking for the reaction button to "like" them ... too much time on FB! :D

Anyway, yesterDay Lottie started looking very seerish and continues to now. Shasta, I get the feeling you saw it too, eh?

There has been some very successful seer-protecting in this game. If it was done by wolves, that would be amusing, but I don't think so. Anyway, I wouldn't like to be a wolf toDay, with the seer still around AND a potential known innocent in such a small village.

Just going to sit back and watch the fun.

[Huinesoron]

Shasta! Welcome to the QT-bar! Pull up a digital chair and share all your suspicions, and remember to vote Brinn in the end. :D

hS

[Inziladun]

There has been some very successful seer-protecting in this game. If it was done by wolves, that would be amusing, but I don't think so. Anyway, I wouldn't like to be a wolf toDay, with the seer still around AND a potential known innocent in such a small village.

Thing is, even if they Night-kill the Seer, they can count on the Innocents dutifully following every vote of ours afterward.

[Rikae]

Thing is, even if they Night-kill the Seer, they can count on the Innocents dutifully following every vote of ours afterward.

Yep. Their only hope was to get the seer early and limit their dreams.

[Rikae]

How about a tweak to the format maybe for another game - a cobbler whose role remains unknown even in death?

[Rikae]

Would give us dead folks reason to distrust one another, make voting more tense (although it has been anyway somehow!). With the right numbers a cobbler could unexpectedly swing what's supposed to be an innocent dead vote and cause chaos.

Chaos is a ladder.

[Inziladun]

Yep. Their only hope was to get the seer early and limit their dreams.

Which was the basis of my suspecting Brinn in the first place.

[THE Ka]

How about a tweak to the format maybe for another game - a cobbler whose role remains unknown even in death?

Second this.

[satansaloser2005]

Hello, little one! We're happy to have you! *snuggles*

[satansaloser2005]

Is it too soon to vote? I did make Lal a promise. :D

[Inziladun]

Two more wolves. It's gotta be Eonwe, and I'm almost positive the other one is Brinn. I don't want to go around counting any chickens, but I think we're in a good position here.

Is it too soon to vote? I did make Lal a promise. :D

It seems Lottie is in favor too.

[Rikae]

Go ahead if you must, Sally, I think we have enough votes to do whatever needs doing at the deadline!

(You wolves are going to make me regret saying that, aren't you?)

[satansaloser2005]

Go ahead if you must, Sally, I think we have enough votes to do whatever needs doing at the deadline!

(You wolves are going to make me regret saying that, aren't you?)

And that is why I'm waiting. :Merisu:

[Inziladun]

It really is incredibly quiet over there.

[THE Ka]

It really is incredibly quiet over there.

Hush, you'll scare the fish.

[Galadriel55]

And that is why I'm waiting. :Merisu:

Vote Brin again! :D

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Ha. They fell for it.

I'm 90% certain Lottie is the Seer, and acted accordingly.

Will catch up. Hi, guys. :)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I've really been enjoying Nog's narrations. I keep looking for the reaction button to "like" them ... too much time on FB! :D

Anyway, yesterDay Lottie started looking very seerish and continues to now. Shasta, I get the feeling you saw it too, eh?

There has been some very successful seer-protecting in this game. If it was done by wolves, that would be amusing, but I don't think so. Anyway, I wouldn't like to be a wolf toDay, with the seer still around AND a potential known innocent in such a small village.

Just going to sit back and watch the fun.

Very this. Rikae on point.

[Lhunardawen]

I'm starting to wonder if there's even a Seer in this game at all. :confused:

[Galadriel55]

I'm starting to wonder if there's even a Seer in this game at all. :confused:

Imagine a game with two Seers, except no one knows there are two of them, and if they dream of each other they will not see the other one as a Seer.

Also a game where every ordo is a cobbler, but they all believe themselves to be the only cobbler in the game, and ordo/cobbler are not specified on death.

A game without a wolf pack, and villagers die at the toss of a dice each Night.

Chaos is a ladder.

[THE Ka]

Imagine a game with two Seers, except no one knows there are two of them, and if they dream of each other they will not see the other one as a Seer.

Also a game where every ordo is a cobbler, but they all believe themselves to be the only cobbler in the game, and ordo/cobbler are not specified on death.

A game without a wolf pack, and villagers die at the toss of a dice each Night.

Chaos is a ladder.

https://pics.me.me/theres-no-pepe-silvia-you-gotta-me-kdding-me-got-5631441.png

[Lhunardawen]

A game without a wolf pack, and villagers die at the toss of a dice each Night.

I think Fea modded a game similar to this in the past. No wolves, just villagers lynching each other. Last person standing.


This post was proudly composed on my phone.

[Galadriel55]

You know why it's so decently and normally quiet? It's because we finally achieved population control on the GT. Ha! :D

[Lhunardawen]

We are the virus.

Ah, sorry, what virus? I meant Evil Breath.

[Lhunardawen]

Go ahead if you must, Sally, I think we have enough votes to do whatever needs doing at the deadline!

(You wolves are going to make me regret saying that, aren't you?)
Sadly the numbers are indeed in your favour.

[satansaloser2005]

I think Fea modded a game similar to this in the past. No wolves, just villagers lynching each other. Last person standing.

Ahem. I'm the only person crazy enough to do something that insane, thank you. It was Werewolf Idol. :Merisu:

[Lhunardawen]

Look up Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXVI - Úcenite Valto moderated by Fea. When I said past, I should have said distant past.

Edit: linkety link (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=13393)

Edit edit: Wait no, there were wolves, but the game continued even after they were dead. Or something. Noggie, help me out here?

[Lhunardawen]

Since Leggie's likely to ask Ka, and she might not be able to answer, I'm taking the liberty of posting this.


Shasta --> Ka
Rune --> Eönwë
Greenie --> Ka 2
QT --> Brinn (the most epic of all epic votes)
Ka --> Brinn 2 (a foreshadowing of her being one with the QT?)
Brinn --> Ka 3 (bussing or retaliation?)
Lottie --> Ka 4
Boro --> Ka 5
Lommy --> Ka 6
Kath --> Ka 7
Eönwë --> Ka 8

So it appears the GT had decided to be as nearly unanimous as the QT on the same Day. Coincidence?


Scenario 1: Ka was bussed.
Scenario 1.1: Ka was bussed by all of her packmates.
Infectors: Greenie, Brinn, Lottie, Boro, Lommy, Kath, Eönwë
Scenario 1.2: Ka was bussed by some, but not all, of her packmates.
Infectors: Rune, Greenie, Brinn, Lottie, Boro, Lommy, Kath, Eönwë



Scenario 2: Ka was not bussed.
Scenario 2.1: The villagers brilliantly executed her while her packmates stood aghast, unable to do anything.
Infectors: Rune
... Wait. :confused:


Scenario 3: Ka sacrificed herself for the greater good.
Scenario 3.1: Her packmates wholeheartedly supported her sacrifice.
Infectors: Greenie, Brinn, Lottie, Boro, Lommy, Kath, Eönwë
Scenario 3.2: Her packmates were divided about her willingness to sacrifice
Infectors: Rune, Greenie, Brinn, Lottie, Boro, Lommy, Kath, Eönwë


Now it's too bad Shasta isn't a wolf, so I won't be able to do a Shasta-nalysis.

[Huinesoron]

Imagine a game with two Seers, except no one knows there are two of them, and if they dream of each other they will not see the other one as a Seer.

I have seen a game (I don't think it was here) that had a Seer and a Fake Seer. The Fake Seer received randomly-generated results, didn't know they were fake, and would see the real Seer as the Fake Seer.

hS

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

How about a tweak to the format maybe for another game - a cobbler whose role remains unknown even in death?
That would be, in this particular game, really cool. And cause unbelievable amount of paranoia. No rest even for the Dead.

Ha. They fell for it.

I'm 90% certain Lottie is the Seer, and acted accordingly.

Will catch up. Hi, guys. :)
Welllcome Shasta! Grab a seat, grab one of our many remaining disinfected glasses/mugs (we came prepared, it seems)... Happy for your input!

I've been wondering for Days on end (well... we all did, I am sure). Since when have you been thinking it might be Lottie?

I'm starting to wonder if there's even a Seer in this game at all. :confused:
My thoughts upon waking up were just these. Same thing about the Innocent Child!


Also a game where every ordo is a cobbler, but they all believe themselves to be the only cobbler in the game, and ordo/cobbler are not specified on death.
This happened. In phantom's game, I believe (well, who else). And it sucked. It was really really bad game overall, I think. I, at least, had zero fun. (Main problem also was... multiple people figured it out really soon because there were X people acting absolutely nuts and all over the place.) So not, that particular concept I do not support. It was too much to be fun.

Since Leggie's likely to ask Ka, and she might not be able to answer, I'm taking the liberty of posting this.

Thanks! I feel much better already.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Random serious thought.

How likely is it that the WWs have not been going after the Seer in fact, but instead framing people left and right, including toNight framing Eönwë by killing Shasta?

I will be happy to hear opinion from anybody, including our resident Infectors ;)

[Lhunardawen]

Random serious thought.

How likely is it that the WWs have not been going after the Seer in fact, but instead framing people left and right, including toNight framing Eönwë by killing Shasta?

I will be happy to hear opinion from anybody, including our resident Infectors ;)
If you could give me that N95 mask, face shield, bunny suit, shoe cover, and gloves over there, and let me go out for a bit, I'll ask my fellows. :p


Thanks! I feel much better already.
I aim to please.

[Lalaith]

I have seen a game (I don't think it was here) that had a Seer and a Fake Seer. The Fake Seer received randomly-generated results, didn't know they were fake, and would see the real Seer as the Fake Seer.

hS

There was a ducks and geese game and Mithalwen was either the real or fake Seer and got really angry when she was accused of lying.
I've been reminiscing about vintage WW as a result of all this.
No-one in this game was in the cast of the first-ever werewolf game, moderated by the Barrow Wight himself.
My first was WWIV. The only other fellow-player also in this game is Kath :cool:

[Nogrod]

It seems the GT is taking a Day-off.

Looks like your chance to pass them in the postscore. ;)


Look up Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXVI - Úcenite Valto moderated by Fea. When I said past, I should have said distant past.

Edit: linkety link

Edit edit: Wait no, there were wolves, but the game continued even after they were dead. Or something. Noggie, help me out here?
That was probably one of the most insane games ever.

If I recall it right, it was a highly anticipated game people had been talking a lot. There would be two wolves who didn't know each other (they sent Night-kill suggestion to the Mod who then randomized between them, or something) and the roles would not revealed in death.

Then then unlikeliest thing happened, and on Day two both wolves were dead. :smokin:

Then Fea decided to just let the people continue playing, with no wolves and not telling us there were no wolves, while she randomized the Night-kills herself (if I remember it correctly).

It was absolutely insane as there was absolutely no sense in anything that happened and we knew nothing about what had happened in the first place. :eek:

[Lhunardawen]

It seems the GT is taking a Day-off.

Looks like your chance to pass them in the postscore. ;)
Cuties, you heard the Boss. Let's do this. :cool:


If I recall it right, it was a highly anticipated game people had been talking a lot.
I'm sure not the least because it was only the second (ever) game in which Esty played! :Merisu:

One of these days I will find the time to read it in its entirety. I'm pretty sure Fea's narration reads like an RPG in itself. *chucks item into the list that includes reading all REBs*

[Lalaith]

Yes Fea's game was invite-only and mine got lost in the post :rolleyes:
It looked nuts though.
Who remembers the ducks and geese one? It was nodded by Diamond18.

[Lhunardawen]

I'm starting to wonder if there's even a Seer in this game at all. :confused:

Should I be concerned even in the slightest that NogMod said nothing to confirm or deny this?

[Pitchwife]

Random serious thought.

How likely is it that the WWs have not been going after the Seer in fact, but instead framing people left and right, including toNight framing Eönwë by killing Shasta?
G55, have you hacked Legate's account by any chance?


Seriously though, something similar has occurred to me (see #789 above), but I think the idea could do with a visit to Occam's Barber Shop.


I move we put Eönwë out of his misery toDay, before something weird happens and he walks away from this game as the new teflon wolf (TM).

[Nogrod]

Should I be concerned even in the slightest that NogMod said nothing to confirm or deny this?
Well, we're not in Fea's game - good for you. :)

So all the roles that have been said to exist in the rules, do exist, and all the roles of those who have gotten off from the GT for any reason, have been revealed.

:smokin:

[Lhunardawen]

Well, we're not in Fea's game - good for you. :)

So all the roles that have been said to exist in the rules, do exist, and all the roles of those who have gotten off from the GT for any reason, have been revealed.

:smokin:

Thank you, that's reassuring. I can't put it past you to pull off any shenanigans, but I do trust your word.

[Lhunardawen]

Who remembers the ducks and geese one? It was nodded by Diamond18.

Not I, said the wolf. I'm sorry. The only game modded by Di I remember is her Werecreatures and Lovers game. Because Mac and I won that. :smokin:

[Galadriel55]

G55, have you hacked Legate's account by any chance?

Indeed. I became an expert after hacking sally's account the other Day.


Seriously though, something similar has occurred to me (see #789 above), but I think the idea could do with a visit to Occam's Barber Shop.

I move we put Eönwë out of his misery toDay, before something weird happens and he walks away from this game as the new teflon wolf (TM).

But would it not be brilliant to make everyone believe Eonwe is the last wolf - if they know the Seer strongly believes him to be a Wolf but hasn't yet dreamt him? I dunno, it would be an interesting move.

Well, we're not in Fea's game - good for you. :)

So all the roles that have been said to exist in the rules, do exist, and all the roles of those who have gotten off from the GT for any reason, have been revealed.

I am actually concerned that we got to the point where this explicit clarification is needed.

[Galadriel55]

I nearly typed "toDay" several times already this morning in messages to my coworkers. Speak of emails from wolves! :eek:

[Galadriel55]

It seems the GT is taking a Day-off.

Looks like your chance to pass them in the postscore. ;)

Is this a challenge? :p


Also, I just did it again. I keep writing Day with a capital D in my work communications, and then have to correct it.

[Lhunardawen]

Also, I just did it again. I keep writing Day with a capital D in my work communications, and then have to correct it.

That might be helpful in emphasising deadlines, like "today means toDay, and not any other Day."

[Inziladun]

How likely is it that the WWs have not been going after the Seer in fact, but instead framing people left and right, including toNight framing Eönwë by killing Shasta?

Possible. However potential SeerLottie ID'd him as her top choice straight away as this Day began.

[Inziladun]

I had to laugh.

I don't even know if it matters, since the QT appears to like to toy with our votes more than the infectors...but for posterity.

[Huinesoron]

So all the roles that have been said to exist in the rules, do exist, and all the roles of those who have gotten off from the GT for any reason, have been revealed.
I am actually concerned that we got to the point where this explicit clarification is needed.

I'm thinking more about what hasn't been explicitly stated. Assuming Nog operates on faerie/genie rules, we could still have:

-The Seer doesn't know they're the Seer (because their PM inbox was full when they should have had the PM).

-The Seer's dreams aren't getting through (same reason).

-Nog is the Seer.

-The Seer is also a Wolf (the rules don't say you can't have two roles!)

-A secret player who never entered the GT is the Seer.

-Since the rules actually state 'The Seer learns all the roles', the Seer has known who everyone is from the start.

-Alternately, the Seer does learn all the roles - at the same time as everybody else, when someone dies.

So many options! :D

hS

[Lalaith]

So Legate and Pitch, what do you think got you killed? I think I've found my Death Post:


I would also put Shasta on my 'watch' list. For the reasons, (ironically enough) that Lommy states in her recent analysis.

I still feel I haven't got any kind of handle on Lhuna, Ka and, to some extent, Kath.
Which probably means they are all brilliant wolves.

[Lalaith]

Not I, said the wolf. I'm sorry. The only game modded by Di I remember is her Werecreatures and Lovers game. Because Mac and I won that. :smokin:

I've just had a look at the cast list. My only fellow player that is among present company was in fact our NogMod

[Galadriel55]

So here is another game for toDay. You get to decide my vote if you tell me your suspicions for The Child. :p

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Welllcome Shasta! Grab a seat, grab one of our many remaining disinfected glasses/mugs (we came prepared, it seems)... Happy for your input!

I've been wondering for Days on end (well... we all did, I am sure). Since when have you been thinking it might be Lottie?

I wasn't looking super hard for the Seer, but it clicked for me yesterday when Lottie posted that first list of hers and left Greenie off it completely. Kinda surprised the wolves didn't notice that, to be honest.

[Lhunardawen]

Sadly I will have to vote early toDay and miss out on the enjoyably intense last-minute flurry of votes. Now I get why people keep doing that. :p

++Brinniel

because she's really really suspicious, and my Lhuna-nalysis and Ka-nalysis show her to be an Infector more likely than not.

Hmm, no more than almost everyone else, it appears. Ah well.

[Lhunardawen]

Reading Greenie's (very thoughtful) post, I realised I forgot Rune exists :rolleyes::D
I get that a lot these days.


Awwww my poor dear Runeyyyyy *sends Evil Breath-laden hug*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Seriously though, something similar has occurred to me (see #789 above), but I think the idea could do with a visit to Occam's Barber Shop.
:D All right all right. But I like complicated theories. Besides, they may be true! :smokin:

I nearly typed "toDay" several times already this morning in messages to my coworkers. Speak of emails from wolves! :eek:
Isn't that absolutely normal thing to do? After not having played WW in a long time, I noticed I feel back to the habit of typing Day and toDay with capital D after just two Da... I mean, days.

So Legate and Pitch, what do you think got you killed? I think I've found my Death Post:
I am not sure myself. Pitch, to me, really looked like Seer choice no.2 (after Boro). I had been thinking that what killed me was my constant suspicion of Greenie and that she was a Wolf, but I no longer think so. (Most importantly, nobody in the village seemed to notice it in the first place, either. But it is true that the first thought that occurred to me back then was that exactly nobody noticed it because those who analysed it were Wolves and didn't want it to be known!)

I wasn't looking super hard for the Seer, but it clicked for me yesterday when Lottie posted that first list of hers and left Greenie off it completely. Kinda surprised the wolves didn't notice that, to be honest.

That's a nice one.

[THE Ka]

But would it not be brilliant to make everyone believe*Eonwe is the last wolf - if they know the Seer strongly believes him to be a Wolf but hasn't yet dreamt him? I dunno, it would be an interesting move.

It would be interesting, but that would take a lot more planning than over the course of two Days and knowing exactly from about 3 Days ago who the Seer was.
The rule of conspiracy is that it's nearly impossible with a larger group of people because, no one can keep their mouth shut for long (as we saw with our unfortunate gifteds) for whatever reason. Then, trying to rope innocents in to it without them talking about their speculation or getting suspicious is neigh impossible.

Thank you, Lhuna. It was a mixture of #2 and #3 honestly.
It took me two Days to get people to kill me. Even after literally telling some to vote for me after they had ample evidence... twice.

[Macalaure]

So I was thinking about how risky Boro's fake-seering was in terms of accidentally flushing out the real seer. I reread stuff and found this from Day2:

I didn't like Boro's posts earlier toDay, but as he mentioned me as a suspect, I decided to sleep on it before reacting. He does have a point that I shouldn't just assume Brinn is innocent - but I think his reasons for suspecting Brinn are weird, and I don't like that he uses Rikae's trap "catching" Brinn as a reason to suspect her. It feels too "well, known innocent says!" for my tastes.

sleep on it.... known innocent

That's coming after directing #131 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=723310&postcount=131) and #182 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=723361&postcount=182) at him on Day1.

At that point Boro knew he could go ahead with it.


and now we have Brinniel claiming the fame in the GT, too. :rolleyes:

[Lalaith]

Ok I've just seen Brinn's reveal.

If it's true, that's hilarious. That post is DEFINITELY what got me killed.

[Macalaure]

...and Loslote appears to be all over it, too, so disregard everything I said. :D :rolleyes:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Whoooa! Okay, let's wait if anyone at all counter-claims and how logical will it seem... I mean, if the innocents and WWs are who Brinn says they are, there isn't much of a chance except for Kath to say that she's the Seer.

But if Kath is a Wolf, she's been brilliant. Well, so was Brinn - either way.

[Rikae]

Saw Brinn's reveal and was doubtful because if Lottie was the seer and Brinn and Eonwe wolves, a fake reveal would be the only way now.

But Lottie goes with it, so ...

Eh, still want to see if there's a counter-reveal.

[Macalaure]

Though it would be hilarious if Boro thought he was getting a seer thumbs-up that was in fact faked by a wolf. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Btw I wonder why did Brinn not dream of Boro (if she's telling the truth). Maybe because he was under so much scrutiny that he was likely to be either lynched or Night-killed, so it was likely to be a dream wasted?

[Macalaure]

I could see the seer not counter-revealing if they still have one wolf left to dream of.

[Inziladun]

Btw I wonder why did Brinn not dream of Boro (if she's telling the truth). Maybe because he was under so much scrutiny that he was likely to be either lynched or Night-killed, so it was likely to be a dream wasted?

For that matter, why didn't she dream of me, considering the amount of time suspecting me? Unless it's for the same reason.

[Inziladun]

To paraphrase Lommy regarding Sally, I'm not buying it.

[Rikae]

Btw I wonder why did Brinn not dream of Boro (if she's telling the truth). Maybe because he was under so much scrutiny that he was likely to be either lynched or Night-killed, so it was likely to be a dream wasted?

I wondered that too. If she's telling the truth, she saw him correctly naming two Innocents and two wolves while seer hinting and living. Wouldn't she want to know what was up?

[Inziladun]

Now Steve's joined in the vote. He, Brinn, and Lottie can't all be evil.

[Rikae]

Joining Brinn doesn't mean evil, it means believing Brinn, and not the seer.

[Rikae]

But Shasta is dead?

You mean Eonwe? Funny, I mix Eonwe up with *you* all the time!

[Rikae]

Gah. You said Steve.

Blurry vision and small screen.

[Macalaure]

So if Brinniel speaks the truth, the last wolf next to Kath is Boro, Rune, or Loslote.


If Brinniel lies, then the last wolf next to her is...

Eonwe? (not if my Lottie idea is correct - if Lottie listed Eonwe on top, so if she knows about him her puzzle would be solved now.)

Loslote? (unlikely, a fake-seer reveal would have been more credible from her - then again, if wolf-Brinniel gets inevitably lynched toMorrow, Loslote still looks good, Brinniel in the reversed case less so.)

Gah, still too many options...

[Inziladun]

Joining Brinn doesn't mean evil, it means believing Brinn, and not the seer.

It's hard to see an innocent Lottie being so quick to accept it.

[Huinesoron]

https://i.imgur.com/lJ3j6ty.png

++Brinniel

:D

hS

[Macalaure]

If Brinn is lying and if Loslote is the real seer and if her focus is to buy herself another day, it's a good way to ensure the wolves won't come for her next night.

[Galadriel55]

Joining Brinn doesn't mean evil, it means believing Brinn, and not the seer.

Or going along with Brin for other reasons.

Edit: xed with 2 posts

[Rikae]

Okay, so:

Scenario 1: Brinn & Eonwe are wolves. Lottie is an ordo. Real seer is still out there and hasn't commented yet. Worst case, is Kath.

Scenario 2: Brinn is the seer, Kath is a wolf, Eonwe is an ordo, who is happy he's been saved Lottie is a wolf who decided to drop the charade and not fake counter-reveal.

Scenario 3: Brinn is the seer, Kath is a wolf, Eonwe and Lottie are both relieved ordos, and Kath's fellow has not weighed in.

Did I get them all?

Brinn's weird "caught in a trap" comments early on and general caution were potentially seerish (why I wanted to give her a protective "cobbler-vote" on day 2) but ... also wolfish, and her claimed dreams don't leave much of a trail.

Prudent to wait.

[Galadriel55]

My favourite part of this is that if Brin's reveal is true, one of the suspected Seers is actually a wolf.

[Rikae]

Scenario 4, Brinn's a wolf, Eonwe is innocent - wouldn't happen, right? A wolf Brinn would sit back and let the village lynch Eonwe today.

A Brinn-Eonwe pack might feel out of options and ready for a desperate play. Brinn would have been unlikely to survive more than a day after Eonwe was lynched.

[Rikae]

My favourite part of this is that if Brin's reveal is true, one of the suspected Seers is actually a wolf.

Uh ... that's usually the case with people who look seerish, and given the size of he village, kind of inevitable.

[satansaloser2005]

This is madness.

[Rikae]

So, going with scenario 3, who do we think Kath's fellow would be?

I would love it to be Boro just because his innocent-playing-seer-getting-two-wolves-lynched show would be so delightful (actually, it's delightful regardless of his role).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

https://i.imgur.com/lJ3j6ty.png


This is the most fitting description of the whole situation (and the description of my thought processes in every game of Werewolf anyway).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So, going with scenario 3, who do we think Kath's fellow would be?

I would love it to be Boro just because his innocent-playing-seer-getting-two-wolves-lynched show would be so delightful (actually, it's delightful regardless of his role).

It would have been a great move for him. I was thinking Lottie could be the Child, but that's largely guessing.

[Rikae]

I'd think if the child was around and posting they'd have revealed, so Rune or Greenie.

[Inziladun]

I'd think if the child was around and posting they'd have revealed, so Rune or Greenie.

Maybe Rune, since he seems to be doing his own thing, and it would be more amusing that way. ;)

[Pitchwife]

So I take a day off for weeding and housecleaning and come back to THIS???

It would have been a great move for him. I was thinking Lottie could be the Child, but that's largely guessing.
Me too. I mean her panic reaction to Sally hunting her felt a lot like she had a special role; my first guess was the IC, but seer would have made sense too.


FWIW, Kath's post about us clearly knowing something we don't (which I quoted on the last page) has earned her a *ping*. I think the Infected would have more to gain from fostering blind trust in our vote than the innocents.

[Pitchwife]

Greenie's #1413 - This is so awesome. If Brinn isn't the Seer, she would have been preparing to do a fake gifted reveal at some point right from the start; don't know how likely that is.
And if she is, the wolves probably killed me just to frame Steve, + starting to suspect Ka, + leaving no trail to the others.

[Pitchwife]

I think that's everyone! No counter reveal, so:

I am the Innocent Child.
Ha!

[Rikae]

Okay, since no one in the GT challenged Brinn, I'll trust her. Would have been cool if we had agreed to vote Kath yesterDay!

++Kath

I hope the child reveals toDay so she doesn't dream them tonight by accident. I think the wolves could still win in that case, right?

Edit: crossed, obviously

[THE Ka]

Since I might loose service here soon, I'll add my vote:

++Rune

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Greenie's #1413 - This is so awesome. If Brinn isn't the Seer, she would have been preparing to do a fake gifted reveal at some point right from the start; don't know how likely that is.

Yes. And isn't it actually what G55 said?

I, in fact, checked a few Days back Brinn's posts whether she might not be the Seer, but I didn't reach any conclusion worth mentioning. She's been doing a really good job of avoiding... anything.

Also the initial suspicion (coupled with the votes provided by our beloved G55, Rikae and later Hui) probably provided the best cover for her, ever. ;)

[Rikae]

So, G55 (and later, G55 & Hui) ended up protecting the seer with their votes? Delicious.

I mean, G55 did abstain, but she always had the power to decide that vote.

Edit: crossed, haha, great minds

[Pitchwife]

++Kath

[Rikae]

Got to say, if Brinn's the seer I'm fairly proud of how I handled that day 2 vote situation, but of course I had no way of knowing if I was right or wrong and have been second-guessing it through the whole game
And yeah, G55, you definitely helped with the second guessing with your gloating. Had me second guessing the Lhuna lynch, too. Well cobbled.

[Rikae]

So, was your vote an attempt to flag her as the seer?

That Greeks bearing gifts thing ... ! I read those early posts so many times, and there were a number of bantery comments that snagged my attention like "hm, what's behind this?", and in that case I did that and didn't stop to answer my own question. :rolleyes:

Lesson learned: always answer all my own questions.

[Rikae]

"Your" = Cobbler55

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Brinniel as Seer... not what I would have expected. I'm a bit confused as to why I was killed, then.

++Kath

[Rikae]

Was like, "wait, what about Greenie"? Then went back and saw her on Brinn's list. Need more coffee.

So, bets on Rune and Boro?

[Inziladun]

At work today, and busy.

++Kath

[Inziladun]

If Brinn really is the Seer, one thing is clear (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojXP5vNGvLs).

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Was like, "wait, what about Greenie"? Then went back and saw her on Brinn's list. Need more coffee.

So, bets on Rune and Boro?

That's a tough one. I think I'd go Rune.

[Rikae]

if brinn really is the seer, one thing is clear (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojxp5vngvls).

:d

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Boro has been super-clever though. I thought Rune innocent in the beginning, but then we started differing in our opinions... especially concerning Lottie. I wonder whether Runewolf wouldn't go harder after her... but then perhaps his packmates didn't share the idea.

Anyways, occurs to me that through our vote toDay, we could have, y'know, suggested one of the remaining two (as a message to the Living) - but probably too late for that now...

[Galadriel55]

Me too. I mean her panic reaction to Sally hunting her felt a lot like she had a special role; my first guess was the IC, but seer would have made sense too.

sally, you should have hunted Lottie after all. :p

Yes. And isn't it actually what G55 said?

And you thought I was joking. :D

So, was your vote an attempt to flag her as the seer?

Not exactly. I had a feeling she was up to something, but only seriously considered her as a possible Seer mid-game (but only based on her Day 1 posting plus the now revealed roles. I honestly didn't read the GT in enough detail to remember most people's posting since I died). I was 99.9% sure you guys were wrong about Boro being the Seer though. I was kinda surprised that Mac suggested it, because a different role seemed much more likely to me at that time.

[Lalaith]

Well I'll be....
++Kath

Well at least I got the Innocent Child right :rolleyes:

Sorry Eonwe, if you ever read this....

[Rikae]

Boro has been very clever. Question is, is he an absolute rock star of an ordo, in which case I am very impressed (he should probably be considered a gifted regardless of role in the future) ... or is he a wolf who tried a bold plan that backfired, in which case ... I'm still pretty impressed, tbh. I love that kind of stuff.

But at the end of the day, if it was a wolf plan it was a flawed one and I think Boro's too clear thinking to try it. So, Rune. Which makes this a very, very under-reindeer pack.

[Galadriel55]

Pro forma:

++Lottie

I hope you die, you obnoxious piece of absolute sunshine! :p

[Galadriel55]

Boro has been very clever. Question is, is he an absolute rock star of an ordo, in which case I am very impressed (he should probably be considered a gifted regardless of role in the future) ... or is he a wolf who tried a bold plan that backfired, in which case ... I'm still pretty impressed, tbh. I love that kind of stuff.

I am curious - if he is, in fact, a wolf, what do you think was his plan and where has it backfired?

[Rikae]

On the other hand, if Rune is guilty that means Boro, as an ordo, was right about basically everyone but Eonwe and still managed to not die. What are the odds?

[Rikae]

I am curious - if he is, in fact, a wolf, what do you think was his plan and where has it backfired?

Probably to flush out the seer, and the actual seer remained alive until the endgame, so that's a pretty major backfire.

[Pitchwife]

My gut still says Rune is innocent, and I'll feel super stupid if he turns out a wolf.

[Galadriel55]

Probably to flush out the seer, and the actual seer remained alive until the endgame, so that's a pretty major backfire.

Possible. Though if the reason was "gain trust and steer the village"... I guess the optimal wolf ploy would be to combine those two. You gotta realize though, the longer you live that way the less chance of you actually being the Seer.

[Galadriel55]

And now we have to do the obligatory waiting till DL, and then till toMorrow, to find out who the last wolf was. Bummer. I wish we could fast forward.

[Pitchwife]

I don't think I'm included in this request for a preference. But I prefer Rune

I did provide cover and protect you from the infectors until yesterday. I hope that counts for something.
Why would Ordomir88 plead with Brinn not do dream him? He'd have nothing to fear. Besides, with just him and Rune left undreamed, the result would be the same either way. Nah, he just enjoys messing with everybody now. He's a wolf.

[Rikae]

Possible. Though if the reason was "gain trust and steer the village"... I guess the optimal wolf ploy would be to combine those two. You gotta realize though, the longer you live that way the less chance of you actually being the Seer.

He basically made himself guaranteed to be dreamed by the actual seer, which is why I wasn't worried about it.

[Rikae]

Why would Ordomir88 plead with Brinn not do dream him? He'd have nothing to fear. Besides, with just him and Rune left undreamed, the result would be the same either way. Nah, he just enjoys messing with everybody now. He's a wolf.

Why would wolf Boro either?

[Rikae]

(continuation of last)

Just banter, if he's a wolf Brinn would get him either way.

[THE Ka]

Brinn gave us marching orders for toMorrow if they're selected toNight:

If*Boro*is evil the QT vote will be for him. If he's innocent, the QT vote will be for*Rune.

[Pitchwife]

And you totally mean to stick with that, yes?:Merisu:

[Huinesoron]

Just came back in... hah, you lot bought it? Delicious, absolutely delicious... :D

hS

[Nogrod]

Galadriel55 – Andróg, the Cobbler (voted into QT on Day1)

Rikae – Haldir, formerly healthy person (infected by the shady Infectors on Night2)

Huinesoron – Hareth, an Infector (voted into QT on Day2)

Kitanna – Huor, the Ranger (infected in the woods by the Infectors on Night3)

Sally – Túrin, the Hunter (voted into QT on Day3)

Macalaure – Grithnir, healthy person (dragged into the QT by the Hunter on Day3)

Legate of Amon Lanc – Asgon, healthy person (infected sneakily on Night4)

Lhunardawen – Sador, an Infector (voted into QT on Day4)

Lalaith – Rían, healthy person (overrun and infected by the Infectors on Night5)

Inziladun – Halmir, healthy person (voted into QT on Day5)

Pitchwife – Turin’s Nurse, healthy person (infected by the Infectors on Night6)

THE Ka – Indor, an Infector (voted into QT on Day6)

Shastanis Althreduin – Brandir, healthy little child (outrageously infected on Night7)

Kath – Forweg, an Infector (unanimously quarantined on Day7)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Welcome, Forweg, Kant*... or under however many names you might be known... grab a seat, take a glass, let's watch how this plays out...

*it just occurred to me that it would be funny if the remaining Infectors indeed were Kant and Marx. Nobody suspects the German philosophers?

P. S. But I absolutely stand behind my previous statement: well played!!!

[Galadriel55]

Absolutely brilliant, Kath! If not for a well placed (and timed!) reveal, you might have made it to victory!


It’s now Night 8

... and it is dark.

And full of terror.

[Huinesoron]

Hey Kath, long time no see! Welcome to the QT. We're "definitely in trouble" and have "no chance". ;)

hS

PS: And if you make a bit of space in your inbox, I have a PM for you. :)

[Lalaith]

Hello Kath and welcome! We are all friends here in the QT....

[Lalaith]

And very well played!
I was just reminiscing earlier- you are the only one of the current line-up who was there in my first-ever werewolf, WW IV...

[Inziladun]

Good to see you, Kath! Very good, indeed. :)

[THE Ka]

Welcome Kath! This is where the real fun is.

When you can, check your PMs. We're trying to whisper through the walls, but it's kind of difficult amoungst the coughing and timbers. ;)

[Galadriel55]

When you can, check your PMs. We're trying to whisper through the walls, but it's kind of difficult amoungst the coughing and timbers. ;)

Where there's life there's hope. And need of scheming. :p

[THE Ka]

Where there's life there's hope. And need of scheming. :p

Night shall come again, after all. ;)

[Galadriel55]

Night shall come again, after all. ;)

Ahhh, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. :D

Made me remember an old PT as well. I went digging for it through pages of that thread. Enjoy (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=684726&postcount=1926).

[THE Ka]

Ahhh, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. :D

Made me remember an old PT as well. I went digging for it through pages of that thread. Enjoy (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=684726&postcount=1926).

Proto-William Worm and where there's a whip there's a way all in one?

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/900/704.jpg

[Kitanna]

My God, how have I missed so many Days?! I'm sorry guys. :(
I didn't get an email notification about new posts and I guess out of sight out of mind and I forgot to check back in.

[Kath]

Hi! Sorry, I now have PM space again.

I've been wondering what this place has been like. It was great still being alive but it looked like you were all having a lot of fun!

[Pitchwife]

Welcome to the quarantine, Kath, and well come indeed!:) We had some tense hours the other day, but things have calmed down a bit.

[Nogrod]

things have calmed down a bit.
Surprise! :)

Well, I have also a small surprise for you in two hours.

Just wait a little.


And for all those who like some suspense, read the narration rather than rushing immediately to the end of it.

[Inziladun]

Still a surprise left? Outstanding.

[Pitchwife]

Let me guess... Night-killed Seer, Brinn is a wolf?


EDIT: Oh, and Eönwë is the kill and is the real seer. Or Lottie gets killed and isn't the Innocent Child but the real seer after all, or... I don't know what. Or the IC gets a revenge kill when they die and takes Brinn with them, who turns out to be Maedhros? No, that would be backwards, wouldn't it? Anything else?

[Inziladun]

Let me guess... Night-killed Seer, Brinn is a wolf?

Night-killed Seer shouldn't really be a surprise. Perhaps the Child turned on the innocents and became a Superspreader. :eek:

[Nogrod]

the IC gets a revenge kill when they die and takes Brinn with them, who turns out to be Maedhros?
Didn't cross my mind, but well, there's still an hour and a half to reconsider... :smokin::rolleyes:

[Pitchwife]

Night-killed Seer shouldn't really be a surprise. Perhaps the Child turned on the innocents and became a Superspreader. :eek:
Now that would actually make sense, as per the debate here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=16457&page=4) (fast forward to page 4, from #128 down).

[Nogrod]

I suggest we should have the discussion in the “Discussion Thread”, but whatever and where-ever. Let’s try to keep it in one Thread anyway.



I do suggest the Discussion Thread I have just updated...

Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, discussion thread (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=19389)