Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXV: On the Borders of Mirkwood - Dead Thread

[Loslote]

Welcome, Greenie and Legate! :D

[Boromir88]

The Dead

Boro (Town Recorder) - murdered by pack Night 1
Huinesoron (Villager) - lynched Day 1
Loslote (Villager) - killed by pack Night 2
Nogrod (Villager) - Lynched Day 2
Blind Guardian (Villager) - killed by pack Night 3
Formendacil (Villager) - lynched Day 3
A Little Green (Seer) - kill by pack Night 4
Legate of Amon Lanc (Werewolf) - caught in BH booby trap Night 4

Welcome. Greenie and Legate!

Enjoy reading all the hair pulling yesterday the dead was doing about the Living thread :D

[Nogrod]

WHOA!!!

We were right on both! :cool:


But what this means remains to be thought of.


Anyway: welcome Greenie and also Legate - and kudos to the Trapper!

Take a comfy chair- there is no Spanish Inquisition here.:)

[Blind Guardian]

Good job Greenie and Legate!

And the Beast Hunter for ignoring Nilp who I now think is a Wolf. NO wait, I'm confused...

Yeah no that works.

Nilp may not have been able to protect himself (if he is the BH), but he did kill a Wolf.

[Loslote]

So Greenie, you dreamed Nilp, Rikae, and Shasta innocent, right? Who was your dream last Night?

[Loslote]

Good job Greenie and Legate!

And the Beast Hunter for ignoring Nilp who I now think is a Wolf. NO wait, I'm confused...

Nilp claimed he WAS the BH, and soft asked for the Ranger to protect him. His trap was always going on someone else. If Huin correct interpreted Greenie's list yesterDay, Nilp is probably one of our three known innocents.

[Formendacil]

Welcome to the Halls of Cassandra, Greenie.

I guess welcome, Legate? The protocol on welcoming the evil beasts that prematurely ended our Lives is yet to be established.

Perhaps death has cured you of your Curse and you shall now offer us all the information you can.

You know, to keep things sporting. ;) The poor Innocent side hasn't had a lot of breaks yet.

[Blind Guardian]

Nilp claimed he WAS the BH, and soft asked for the Ranger to protect him. His trap was always going on someone else. If Huin correct interpreted Greenie's list yesterDay, Nilp is probably one of our three known innocents.

Yeah that makes sense. This game is making my head hurt. (And my stomach - it's lunch time and I'm not eating yet!)

[Huinesoron]

So Greenie, you dreamed Nilp, Rikae, and Shasta innocent, right? Who was your dream last Night?

I'm pretty sure the Wolves thought it would be Legate, or why sacrifice him and not the NW?

Hi, Greenie! I really hope the remaining innocents spot/spotted your list post... That way we might stand a chance.

And hi, Legate! Don't worry, we're all friends here. Though if you feel like telling us who the rest of the pack are, that'd be grand. :D

hS

[Loslote]

Is Legate the NW? The wolves get to choose who gets caught in the trap, right? I'd assume they'd pick the NW.

[Loslote]

Is Legate the NW? The wolves get to choose who gets caught in the trap, right? I'd assume they'd pick the NW.

Wait, that's right, we'd know if he was the NW! Why didn't they pick the NW???

[Boromir88]

And with 7 dead. A vote of 4 needs to be achieved to choose a medium.

[Huinesoron]

Wait, that's right, we'd know if he was the NW! Why didn't they pick the NW???

The narration says there are 3 wolves (1 NW) left, so yeah, pretty sure he's not.

I think Greenie said she wanted to get a better READ on Legate. Or maybe it's just that she voted him.

[Huinesoron]

(Psst, Boro, you've got a cut-off line in the narration. Second paragraph, starts with 'iddle'.)

hS

[Loslote]

I mean, I had Greenie pegged as a gifted, but I assumed ranger. Apparently the wolves noticed something I didn't.

........why would Sally think Greenie was the Ranger? Her Legate vote yesterDay looked pretty Seerish to me. I don't know that I believe this.

[Nogrod]

So Greenie, you dreamed Nilp, Rikae, and Shasta innocent, right? Who was your dream last Night?
Echoing the very same question - though suspecting she's sleeping right now and we'll have to wait for the morning here in Finland.

But one wolf down basically buys one more Day. So good.

Although we (sic!) could have done this lynching Legate already on D2. :rolleyes:


This more or less confirms Nilp is an innocent (unless we read Greenie wrongly) and thus it only remains a question whether Nilp just pulled this all off as just a normal villager, or was he actually the BH who made this nice trap?

[Loslote]

If I'm right about who Greenie dreamed and that Kath and Mac are Legate's packmates, then there's one wolf and one cobbler among:

Sally
Brinn
Pitch
Lommy

Although actually, I think the Seer sees the cobbler as an ordo, so the cobbler doesn't HAVE to be among these people. But at least one of them, more if I'm wrong about Kath and Mac, is definitely a wolf.

[Huinesoron]

I mean, I had Greenie pegged as a gifted, but I assumed ranger. Apparently the wolves noticed something I didn't.

Pleeeeease go back and read Greenie's posts, people! The list post is absolutely perfect and tells you everything (if, you know, I'm right).

And nicely done, my beloved! I'm proud of you! Now do it again tomorrow and we're halfway there!

?...? Any idea who she's talking to? The Beast Hunter is one-shot, so the only possible candidate is... well, the Mod!

hS

[Boromir88]

(Psst, Boro, you've got a cut-off line in the narration. Second paragraph, starts with 'iddle'.)

hS

Oh thanks...fixed it. As I was writing everything, the entire time I was just thinking how do I describe a rube-goldberg machine? I'm not a writer and miss when Fea would write the narrations for me. :p

[Loslote]

?...? Any idea who she's talking to? The Beast Hunter is one-shot, so the only possible candidate is... well, the Mod!

hS

My guess is, she doesn't realize the BH is a one hit wonder.

[Loslote]

Also, Mac and Sally have not started talking about "who pushed the lynch away from Legate yesterDay" OR "who did Greenie dream?", and I think any innocent NEEDS to ask those questions asap toDay. I'm already very susicious of Mac, and I'm starting to think Sally might be a wolf or the cobbler.

[Loslote]

Also we're obviously not discussing the game in our apartment but you guys should have heard Legate's hysterical maniacal laughter when he just opened the thread. :D

So the wolf is around! Hi Legate, VERY glad to see you here. :D

[Nogrod]

So the wolf is around! Hi Legate, VERY glad to see you here. :D
Don't be shy! Just walk right in. We don't bite, but offer you a glass of wine and wait until you're ready to tell, how it feels.

[Huinesoron]

This (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=726678&postcount=357) was Greenie's Seer-post in my mind, and I misremembered: she said she intended to 'read through' Lommy, not Legate. So we may actually have a confirmed second wolf; I certainly hope so! It was indeed Nilp, Rikae, and Shasta innocent.

hS

[Formendacil]

And considering that Form was the medium, I dare not imagine the amount of harsh language the dead aimed at the living yesterDay.

Well, he's not wrong...

Don't worry, Legate-wolf. Nienna* been reading along the whole game and was teasing me about the Dead thread for 48 hours, at least, so I understand in-home betrayal. ;)




*Nienna for the newer Downers (you know, anyone with less than, like, 8 years as a Downer) is Mrs. Formendacil, once a WWer, always a WW-lurker.

[Nogrod]

We have to agree for some kind of mode for Greenie to send us her knowledge.
AND we should figure out how to communicate with Greenie in the dead thread.
So it starts again... :rolleyes:

Why don't they learn that is not going to work? It's just a waste of time they'd need to put in reading Greenie's posts to find what hS did so nicely.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So the wolf is around! Hi Legate, VERY glad to see you here. :D

Hello! And thank you for the very warm welcome and cooomfy chairs. Just here to say a quick hi, since I'm about to go to sleep - which means you'll have to wait with your questions for the morning. ;) (As will I have to wait for rereading your, I am sure, very interesting discussions here.)

If you want to point for my convenience (and Greenie's) some of the highlights of this thread, feel free to do so, it would be most welcome for us newcomers, I am sure!

I also am sure there's a lot I could discuss with each of you, but that all also has to wait. So, enjoy your guessing for several more hours, before I have time to respond all your questions in absolutely truthful and honest manner. :smokin:

[Nogrod]

*Nienna for the newer Downers (you know, anyone with less than, like, 8 years as a Downer) is Mrs. Formendacil, once a WWer, always a WW-lurker.
Send Nienna my best regards! (Well if you read this yourself anyway, all the best for the odd summer ahead!)

[Huinesoron]

So it starts again... :rolleyes:

Why don't they learn that is not going to work? It's just a waste of time they'd need to put in reading Greenie's posts to find what hS did so nicely.

Well, if Lottie is right and I'm reading Greenie right, both of those quotes are from wolves... ;)

Edit: Greenie and the narration, rather, since the latter is what says she saw a wolf.

hS

[Loslote]

Well, we spent all of yesterDay yelling that You, Mac, and Kath were packmates steering the lynch Form's direction, and throwing up our hands when the village just calmly went right along with it. :p Also, we did empower Brinn at least partially as a throwback.

[Formendacil]

"Greenie, if Nilp is a wolf, post an odd-numbered post at 11am GMT. If he is innocent post an even-numbered one."

Meanwhile in the Dead Thread: "X-posted with Legate."

:rolleyes:

[Loslote]

"Greenie, if Nilp is a wolf, post an odd-numbered post at 11am GMT. If he is innocent post an even-numbered one."

Meanwhile in the Dead Thread: "X-posted with Legate."

Imagine. :eek::o:rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

If you want to point for my convenience (and Greenie's) some of the highlights of this thread, feel free to do so, it would be most welcome for us newcomers, I am sure!
It's seven pages, but basically all the posts are short - unlike in the Game Thread - so it's a quick read after all.

See you tomorrow (IRL)!

[Blind Guardian]

Also we're obviously not discussing the game in our apartment but you guys should have heard Legate's hysterical maniacal laughter when he just opened the thread. :D

Are they married or related?

[Formendacil]

Send Nienna my best regards! (Well if you read this yourself anyway, all the best for the odd summer ahead!)

She'll read this herself, as long as she's not skimming for my posts only (which she did in the Live thread when there were chunks to catch). ;)

It's a rather quiet summer (at home, I mean!) and liable to quite Mootless, I'm afraid--but I'd rather live through the Great Pandemic of Our Times in the summer than the winter.

[Formendacil]

Are they married or related?

Can't they be both? :p

[Nogrod]

Are they married or related?
Neither. ;)

[Loslote]

Okay, look, don't spread this around too much, but they're actually the same person

[Nogrod]

I'd rather live through the Great Pandemic of Our Times in the summer than the winter.
Agreed.

In the summer you can just get out somewhere. In winter it would be just the four walls around you day after day.


Well, if Lottie is right and I'm reading Greenie right, both of those quotes are from wolves...
Yeah. That possibility crossed my mind as well. :)


Anyway, it's good night from me as well (it's 1:40AM here).

[Blind Guardian]

Can't they be both? :p

I don't think a brother and sister would get married :p

Neither. ;)

Okay I'm confused.

Just buddies?

[Loslote]

Just buddies?

Arch-rivals, who, through a series of hilarious and improbable events, wound up living together.

[Nogrod]

Okay I'm confused.

Just buddies?
They've been together like ten+ years, but are not married.

You know us weird Europeans who think marriage is just one conservative tradition that you might step into or not, but it is not something anyone requires or thinks of great general importance (except the super-conservatives and the sexual minorities, both for somewhat different reasons) - although any reason for a grand party is always nice.


EDIT: Actually rephrased the expression "of no importance" with "no great general importance". Just to not overexaggerate things. Anyway, let's not stick with this issue. Lottie answered the questions a lot better than I did.

[Nogrod]

Here's a wolf speaking!
Let's get the communication stuff out of the way before we get into the meat of things.

I think it makes more sense to communicate known wolves over known innocents. Obviously, though, we don't want the dead to turn a wolf into the medium.

What about:

If Brinniel is a wolf, empower Kath.
If Kath is a wolf, empower Mac.
If Macalaure is a wolf, empower Nilp.
If Nilpaurion Felagund is a wolf, empower Pitch.
If Pitchwife is a wolf, empower Rikae.
If Rikae is a wolf, empower Sally.
If satansaloser2005 is a wolf, empower Shasta.
If Shastanis Althreduin is a wolf, empower Lommy.
If Thinlomien is a wolf, empower Brinniel.

If you don't have a known wolf, empower no one.

There's of course a possibility that two wolves are adjacent in the alphabet, but what are you gonna do.
Let's hope no innocent takes this even half-seriously.

[Loslote]

I'd be happy to empower Nilp if it tells the Living to kill Mac already. :mad: But yeah, that's a really annoying idea from a Dead perspective.

[Loslote]

I like Rikae's analysis of Greenie's dreams a lot more than Brinn's.

[Formendacil]

The fact that it is Mac suggesting a vote=Dead Reveal scheme may be reason enough for me to dislike it: enough that I think we shouldn't vote at all--IF the village is going to lynch a Wolf without our help.

Obviously, if they need us to tip them over, we should do that. But I find that I greatly dislike this "dictate to the Dead how to vote" idea,and if we are not needed, I think we should send a message that we will not be dictated to.

[A Little Green]

Good morning fellow corpses! :smokin:

So Greenie, you dreamed Nilp, Rikae, and Shasta innocent, right? Who was your dream last Night?
Yes -
Shasta (ordo) N1,
Nilp (beast hunter) N2,
Rikae (ordo) N3.

(Waiting for the living to figure this out. I thought I left enough of a clue to them in that list but looking at the confusion in the game thread obviously not :rolleyes:)

And (sigh) Legate N4.

Basically, I reread the entire thread during the Night (turns out it's much less of an undertaking when you can ignore half the people there!), went on full conspiracy theory mode and pretty much decided the remaining wolves are Mac, Kath, Legate and Lommy. I figured dreaming Legate would give me the best information on other people in case he did turn out innocent after all, but oh well. At least we don't have to worry about that. :p

[Loslote]

Yes -
Shasta (ordo) N1,
Nilp (beast hunter) N2,
Rikae (ordo) N3.

(Waiting for the living to figure this out. I thought I left enough of a clue to them in that list but looking at the confusion in the game thread obviously not :rolleyes:)

And (sigh) Legate N4.

Basically, I reread the entire thread during the Night (turns out it's much less of an undertaking when you can ignore half the people there!), went on full conspiracy theory mode and pretty much decided the remaining wolves are Mac, Kath, Legate and Lommy. I figured dreaming Legate would give me the best information on other people in case he did turn out innocent after all, but oh well. At least we don't have to worry about that. :p

I mean, we figured it out in the Dead Thread, the clues were fine. :rolleyes: And yeah, I think your conspiracy pack is very, very likely!

[Blind Guardian]

Wolves
Legate
?
?
?

Cobbler
Pitch (presumed)

Seer
Greenie

Ranger
?

Beast Hunter
Nilp

Villagers
Huinesoron
Loslote
Nogrod
Blind Guardian
Form
Rikae
Shasta
?

Remaining:
Brinn
Kath
Lommy
Mac
Sally
Pitch

Of these there are 3 Wolves, 1 Cobbler, 1 Ranger, 1 Villager

Of the six remaining unknowns I'm up for saying Pitch is the Cobbler.

If Greenie is right then the Wolves are: Mac, Kath, and Lommy.

That leaves Sally and Brinn as the Ranger and a Villager.

Congratulations guys, we've done it! If they don't figure this out then I would like to suggest to BoroMod that our Medium whacks everyone across the face. :D No words, just a good old whacking.

(Also Boro if you Mod again I will write up the stories for you! I love writing!)

[A Little Green]

And yeah, I think your conspiracy pack is very, very likely! I think so too, though I have to say after my reread my entire page of notes on the remaining unknowns was highlighted red (for likely wolf) :rolleyes:

I am somewhat sure about Lommy now though - the way she repeatedly criticises the Night kill and says something along the lines of "obviously the wolves think nothing like me", and the way Legate kept listing her as an innocent while vaguely saying it's just a gut feeling and he always trusts his gut feeling with Lommy (what an easy way to avoid suspecting a fellow!). And she'd fit in well with Kath too, saying she doesn't see where the suspicion of Kath comes from while agreeing that the argument against her makes sense, and saying Legate defending Kath looks weird but defending Kath herself in the same post :rolleyes: Incidentally Mac defends Kath too while agreeing that the argument against her makes sense. It's almost too tidy which makes me think I'm wrong about one of them and there's one wolf who's not tangled in this at all - namely Brinn, Pitch, or Sally. (Both Mac and Sally kept giving Brinn passes for weird reasons, btw, I'm not sure if it's a pattern or just coincidence though.)

Not that it's really my job to figure this out anymore :p

Also one more thing that I completely forgot to mention in my first post - if I dreamed the Cobbler I'd see them as an ordinary villager. So it's still possible that Shasta or Rikae is the Cobbler! I'm fairly sure Shasta isn't, and Rikae is a possibility though wouldn't be my first guess.

[Huinesoron]

[Mac's DT communication plan] seems really logical and a good idea.

Woooooooolf!

Mac's plan is great for the wolves, because it means Greenie not using the Medium to boost a vote on a wolf (or by an innocent). Since the Medium is only revealed at DL, this vote would therefore have no effect toDay, and by toMorrow, the wolves can hope to have good/evil equality (though not sufficient to win).

hS

[A Little Green]

Mac's plan is great for the wolves, because it means Greenie not using the Medium to boost a vote on a wolf (or by an innocent). Since the Medium is only revealed at DL, this vote would therefore have no effect toDay, and by toMorrow, the wolves can hope to have good/evil equality (though not sufficient to win).Agreed. If the rest of the village falls for that, they kind of deserve a wolf victory. :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

Agreed. If the rest of the village falls for that, they kind of deserve a wolf victory. :rolleyes:
Sadly it seems a little like that: both Nilp and Kath have already endorsed the idea... :(

It would have been nice if Nilp would vote Mac - then we could both give a Mac one more vote and follow his list which says that empower Nilp if Mac is a wolf. That would be sweet indeed. Letting his own dogs bite him, as we say in Finland.

Regrettably Nilp says: PS. To the Dead thread, I'm endorsing Mac's list. And despite being on my list, this line:If Macalaure is a wolf, empower Nilp. makes me want to trust you. Please don't be a Wolf.

[A Little Green]

It would have been nice if Nilp would vote Mac - then we could both give a Mac one more vote and follow his list which says that empower Nilp if Mac is a wolf. That would be sweet indeed. Letting his own dogs bite him, as we say in Finland. Agreed again. Instead it looks like the village is, to quote another Finnish saying, urinating on their own cereal. :rolleyes: Also Nilp's endorsement of Mac's plan is especially worrying as, given his more or less known innocent status, other remaining innocents are more likely to follow his lead.

[Boromir88]

Now that he's said it, I can finally tell Lottie...

(I was more disappointed with my DAY 1 choice: it was down to Lottie or Bryn [sic], and guess who I chose.)

Very close Night 2, but yet not quite. :cool:

(Also Boro if you Mod again I will write up the stories for you! I love writing!)

Ohh, thank you. It may be a while before I want to mod another one, but don't be surprised if you hear from me to keep you to your word. :p

Congratulations guys, we've done it! If they don't figure this out then I would like to suggest to BoroMod that our Medium whacks everyone across the face. No words, just a good old whacking.

No words and just whacking might be good. I do constantly worry about over-stepping the 'official' capacity.

I didn't see any unfair advantage to convey the general feeling of displeasure with the entire village voting for Form yesterday. It probably would have been clear enough the fact he was the one mediumized, I just found myself laughing (but also agreeing) with the hair pulling and frustration that was going on in this thread yesterday, and wanted to convey that through Form in the narration since he was getting mob lynched anyway.

I do always attempt to tread carefully though, because even as a neutral official, I was asked if I unconsciously find myself rooting for one side over another? I've always felt the village starts out at a minor disadvantage (usually not so bad it can't be overcome) but there is a reason, looking at Kuru's stats why there is a slight advantage to the wolves at least at the beginning. And even when I'm on my own side, as a werebear/weredragon, I tend to want to slaughter the wolves first, before the townspeople :p.

I guess all I hope for is balance where both sides feel like they had their chances to either win or lose and those decisions rest in their own hands, not from some sort of unfair advantage given by the mod.

There will be plenty of time for further discussion after, I do quite like how the BH role turned out. But there's still a game to play out that can very much go either way and at least in the narrations I won't be confirming or denying the reasoning behind the dead's choices for their medium. Even if I find myself agreeing with Nog's position here...

So it starts again...

Why don't they learn that is not going to work? It's just a waste of time they'd need to put in reading Greenie's posts to find what hS did so nicely.

[Huinesoron]

I do always attempt to tread carefully though, because even as a neutral official, I was asked if I unconsciously find myself rooting for one side over another?

The only place I feel you might have given away more than you meant to is here:

She was in the middle of a disturbing vision. She clearly saw 1 villager's face and the face turned into a horrible, furry werewolf. There were 3 other shadowy figures in the vision but she could not make them out.

Which seems pretty clearly to indicate a) the Seer dreamt of a wolf last Night, and b) she hadn't dreamt of one before that. Both of which we dead'uns know to be true! I don't think any of the Living have caught it, though, because they're all convinced she voted Legate based on a dream.

hS

[Huinesoron]

Er...

Day3

Her list helps a lot.
not dreamt of: Brinn, Form, me, Pitch, Sally, Lommy
possible wolf: Kath, Legate
possible innocent: Nilp, Rikae, Shasta

So Mac has just pulled out all three innocent dreams from Greenie's Seer-post. If he's a wolf - does he realise how strongly he's pointed the innocents at it? And if he's not a wolf - then why does he act like one?

hS

[A Little Green]

I'm now imagining a scenario where Legate was super nervous and paranoid all the way through every single night and convinced the pack to go for whoever suspected him each time. Legate, is this true? :D:D

[Loslote]

Now that he's said it, I can finally tell Lottie...


(I was more disappointed with my DAY 1 choice: it was down to Lottie or Bryn [sic], and guess who I chose.)

Very close Night 2, but yet not quite. :cool:

AhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHH so close!! :o

Boromod, I have a question: if we vote to Mediumize Form again, could his disembodied voice ghostly whisper the words "you're all terrible" in the narration? :Merisu:

[Huinesoron]

Boromod, I have a question: if we vote to Mediumize Form again, could his disembodied voice ghostly whisper the words "you're all terrible" in the narration? :Merisu:

+-this

hS

[Nogrod]

So Mac has just pulled out all three innocent dreams from Greenie's Seer-post. If he's a wolf - does he realise how strongly he's pointed the innocents at it? And if he's not a wolf - then why does he act like one?
My thoughts as well... :confused:

I'm still a bit unsure what we should do toDay. I mean yes, with not empowering anyone we'd send a message to them that we have no known wolf - which is correct and would probably be interpreted correctly by the villagers as what it says (I doubt they would pick from there any annoyance form our part if that is what we'd want to say).

But then again, isn't our job to try and get wolves lynched?

We're getting pretty close to a situation where if there is even a slight feel of a wagon starting on a one of them the others might tighten their lines and it might end up close. Then our vote might make the difference.

So, I'd suggest we don't rush into voting to empower some specific person quite yet, but wait and see how it goes in the Game Thread.

And maybe share some general ideas as to what would be our best course of action.

[Loslote]

If our vote might swing it to someone we suspect (Kath, Mac, Lommy, maybe Sally or Pitch) from someone we don't (Shasta, Rikae, Nilp), we definitely should do that, regardless of what "message" it sends. If it's another mob lynch, we either shouldn't vote or, if Boro will allow us to Mediumize one of our own Dead friends, do that as a protest Medium vote. I will be around but maybe a little distracted for the last half hour before the DL, and we can have two innocents not vote or vote early and be overvoted if need be.

[Formendacil]

But then again, isn't our job to try and get wolves lynched?

We're getting pretty close to a situation where if there is even a slight feel of a wagon starting on a one of them the others might tighten their lines and it might end up close. Then our vote might make the difference.

So, I'd suggest we don't rush into voting to empower some specific person quite yet, but wait and see how it goes in the Game Thread.

I absolutely agree: killing Wolves is the full priority.

But if, for example, Mac is already on the chopping block, I say we maintain silence.

[Loslote]

Of these six people:

Kath
Mac
Lommy
Sally
Brinn
Pitch

We have three or four evils (three wolves, one cobbler - I am fairly confident the cobbler is not one of Greenie's dreams, so probably four). Odds should be really good that they hit a wolf toDay. I don't know why the living still seem so confused. What are the innocents doing? :o

[Huinesoron]

My thoughts as well... :confused:

I'm still a bit unsure what we should do toDay. I mean yes, with not empowering anyone we'd send a message to them that we have no known wolf - which is correct and would probably be interpreted correctly by the villagers as what it says (I doubt they would pick from there any annoyance form our part if that is what we'd want to say).

But then again, isn't our job to try and get wolves lynched?

Absolutely, and I agree with waiting and seeing. I think following Mac's plan (and not Mediumming anyone, to tell them we have no known wolf) is a plausible Plan C, but I think we can do better.

My Plan A would be to follow the Mac plan (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=726981&postcount=482), but with a wolf as the target of the Medium's vote. So Nilp , Brinn , or maybe Mac - whichever votes for a likely wolf. The main issues here are a) they might not vote that way, and b) we'd be deliberately lying to the village.

Plan B would be to ignore the Mac plan entirely and just Medium someone voting for a probable wolf. This gives us the highest chance of affecting today's lynch, but would be wildly misinterpreted if the villagers buy into Mac's plan. We'd definitely want to avoid Mediumming Pitch, Sally, or Lommy, since those three would 'implicate' a known innocent.

hS

[Loslote]

Absolutely, and I agree with waiting and seeing. I think following Mac's plan (and not Mediumming anyone, to tell them we have no known wolf) is a plausible Plan C, but I think we can do better.

My Plan A would be to follow the Mac plan (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=726981&postcount=482), but with a wolf as the target of the Medium's vote. So Nilp , Brinn , or maybe Mac - whichever votes for a likely wolf. The main issues here are a) they might not vote that way, and b) we'd be deliberately lying to the village.

Plan B would be to ignore the Mac plan entirely and just Medium someone voting for a probable wolf. This gives us the highest chance of affecting today's lynch, but would be wildly misinterpreted if the villagers buy into Mac's plan. We'd definitely want to avoid Mediumming Pitch, Sally, or Lommy, since those three would 'implicate' a known innocent.

hS

They'd better not hold off on voting until the last ten minutes, or we'll never be able to sort through all the ramifications in time. :rolleyes::mad:

[Loslote]

But yes, I agree with you, Huey - I'd lean towards even deliberately misleading them into thinking we know a wolf over holding our vote.

[Loslote]

If Pitch was a wolf, he would have known that Form was innocent, and I don't think he would have reacted so strongly to Rikae's Seer hinting. But if he was a cobbler, he would have shown up as an ordo, and wouldn't have had to worry about the Seer at all. I'm very confused about him right now. :confused:

[A Little Green]

But yes, I agree with you, Huey - I'd lean towards even deliberately misleading them into thinking we know a wolf over holding our vote. I agree. Right now I still think Mac, Lommy and Kath are the likeliest candidates for our remaining wolves, though I could be very wrong too. But guys - if we wanted to nudge them towards having a look at Lommy, in Mac's list that would mean empowering Brinn again :D:D Trouble is, they'd probably just think we were trolling and not take us seriously. And anyway, a Macwolf might be a bigger problem at the moment than a Lommywolf, given how he's taking the reins now..

Second thing - I won't be around at deadline (it's 1AM here and I'm not good at staying up late) so if we need to react quickly to last-minute voting again I won't be much help. But if we do come up with a plan by around 2h before deadline, I can vote then and you guys can still change the plan afterwards if something comes up?

[Loslote]

I agree. Right now I still think Mac, Lommy and Kath are the likeliest candidates for our remaining wolves, though I could be very wrong too. But guys - if we wanted to nudge them towards having a look at Lommy, in Mac's list that would mean empowering Brinn again :D:D Trouble is, they'd probably just think we were trolling and not take us seriously. And anyway, a Macwolf might be a bigger problem at the moment than a Lommywolf, given how he's taking the reins now..

Yes, I think Mac is a very big problem right now for the village. He seems to be very good at leading the innocents astray.

Second thing - I won't be around at deadline (it's 1AM here and I'm not good at staying up late) so if we need to react quickly to last-minute voting again I won't be much help. But if we do come up with a plan by around 2h before deadline, I can vote then and you guys can still change the plan afterwards if something comes up?

Yes, we can afford for two innocents to vote early and still be able to change our minds last minute. Probably a safe early vote if you have to vote before the Living start voting would be for Nilp, as that would implicate Mac.

[A Little Green]

Okay I just read Lommy's most recent post and I'll be astonished if she's innocent. Like, I know it's been a confusing game but this is nuts -

I read Brinn's analysis and I very much agree with the conclusions. It's fairly intriguing Rikae comes to less certain conclusions with the possible remarkable difference of downplaying Shasta's perceived innocence. This *could* point to Rikae being a wolf reluctant to give the village a known innocent, or to Brinn being a bold packmate of Shasta's.
I can't even.

[A Little Green]

Yes, I think Mac is a very big problem right now for the village. He seems to be very good at leading the innocents astray.

Yes, we can afford for two innocents to vote early and still be able to change our minds last minute. Probably a safe early vote if you have to vote before the Living start voting would be for Nilp, as that would implicate Mac.
Sounds solid. Although another thought - if Mac is the cobbler he's a total genius.

[Boromir88]

AhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHH so close!! :o

Boromod, I have a question: if we vote to Mediumize Form again, could his disembodied voice ghostly whisper the words "you're all terrible" in the narration? :Merisu:

I think I'll just train myself to better give an Elvish answer...that is to say both yes and no.

That is you don't have the option to make one of yourselves the Medium "to speak." You do have the option to not choose anyone though. Even if Legate votes, if he's the only one, there still won't be one chosen today.

[Loslote]

Hey, we're back!!

I think it's entirely possible we're too close to numbers being even to discount the use of the Medium vote as what it actually is - a vote.

Thank you! That's what I was trying to get at above. If we follow Mac's scheme or Lommy's, we'll only know what the Dead were trying to say when the lynching's done. IMO the better alternative would be for all of us to do a +-prevote, so if the Dead have a known wolf they can empower those voting them, and if they have known innocents they can empower votes to save them.

THANK YOU to Shasta and Pitch for thinking of us poor Dead. :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

That also makes Pitch look a tad better in my eyes.

[Nogrod]

if Mac is the cobbler he's a total genius.If Pitch is not the Cobbler it might actually be Mac. :eek:

Trying to enforce that voting-scheme would have been a genius idea from a cobbler.

[Huinesoron]

I think it's entirely possible we're too close to numbers being even to discount the use of the Medium vote as what it actually is - a vote.

Yesssss Shasta thank you.

I can't see Lommy's 'let's muddy the waters on what their votes mean' as anything but wolfish. For bonus points, her 'we think this is stupid' Medium is Pitch - who under Mac's scheme implicates a known innocent.

I think the wolves spotted the Seer-post ((after all, they know who Greenie would see as innocent or guilty!). That means they know Greenie had no known wolves before last Night, and they must suspect she dreamed of Legate. The Seer post hinted at Lommy as last Night's dream - and by Mac's plan, a Lommy wolf would be signalled by a vote for Brinn, which is the easiest to disregard as trolling.

Come to think of it, pointing the finger at Mac by empowering Nilp is also easy to dismiss - 'they were just supporting the person we all know is innocent!'. So it's only Kath who's in danger.

hS

[Loslote]

Because we need to lynch a wolf toDay, not toMorrow. ToMorrow may be too late. If we mislynch toDay and the Ranger fails to foil the Night kill it'll be 3:1:3 toMorrow - in which case the Wolves could just come out and call on the cobbler's support to lynch anybody they like.
I'm getting really really suspicious of Mac right now.

And there's the issue right there. A "known wolf" toMorrow is too late. They NEED to lynch a wolf toDay. Mac and Kath keep insisting there's a known wolf to discover this way, but in the mean time, they're not helping anyone find the actual wolves on the Day it matters.

[Huinesoron]

If we mislynch toDay and the Ranger fails to foil the Night kill it'll be 3:1:3 toMorrow - in which case the Wolves could just come out and call on the cobbler's support to lynch anybody they like.

Uh-huh. And we can only help if all 3 innocents vote before all 4 evils.

I assume the Wolves will kill Nilp tonight, since it seems the Ranger protected him last Night. So it would be really nice if we could kill one of them today and not lose...

hS

[Loslote]

Really wishing we could just vote for someone instead of Mediumizing like last game. :p But that would be too easy...

[Loslote]

Stop with the "empower x" lists, please!! :eek:

[Loslote]

Stop. Talking. About. The. Lists!!! Who are you voting for TODAY??? :rolleyes::mad:

[Formendacil]

The obsession with finding out who Greenie might have dreamed of on Night 4 when they have not figured out the clues she left for the three other Nights is... troubling.

[Loslote]

The obsession with finding out who Greenie might have dreamed of on Night 4 when they have not figured out the clues she left for the three other Nights is... troubling.

Right??? And why in the world is no one talking about who they're going to vote toDay???

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Sorry for not being with your sooner, I had a surprisingly busy day (but I spent part of it right after waking up by reading up on most of this thread - which was before everything else came tumbling down on me. But I must say, delightful read)!

I will try to do my best to make up for everything by accompanying you now, my dear, clueless friends. :smokin:

Another result that would make me disappear from the planet for a few lifetimes in shame would be seeing Legate here.
I am very glad you did not have to do that back then, Nog! Incidentally, first thing I wanted to do once I got here was to apologise for contributing to your lynch, except... except I realised if I speak strictly and only for myself, I was being perfectly genuine in my intent of lynching you, so... that would be hypocritical of me. :p But I could say that I would not have minded having you around longer and could have lynched someone else had there been better targets available. To pick one good example for all, in retrospect I would not mind hadGreenie been lynched already then ;)

I agree, Form. I'd like to vote that we have a Dead Thread every game, even if the Dead play no role. Just to chat.
Let me just absolutely second... third... tend (?!?) this. I think a DT should always exist, even if for only discussion, however I think it would be better that it should have some power (and obligation) so it motivates and gives the players a purpose, and isn't just empty talk.

I mean granted so far this is just dead villagers, but it is a uniting force you don't get as a "live" player. And just my luck these are the only games I'm immortal in and never die
Then we just gotta keep doing it every game, one Day, you are gonna die early...

Some day I want to mod a game.
Well, once this is over...?

My guess is Legate is a Wolf. Greenie is the Seer. Greenie is dying tonight.
That was pretty impressive.

[Loslote]

I find myself in agreement with Mac and in opposition to particularly Pitch and a bit less Rikae and Shasta. That kind of naturally pushes me to feeling ok about Mac and not good about Pitch.

There it is! The wolves are pushing Pitch. The innocents NEED to come together and push against the wolves NOW.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Stop with the "empower x" lists, please!! :eek:
Now absolutely honestly and disregarding the particularities of this game, of my role, and whether or not this helps anyone - I generally think "using the Dead Thread as channel for lists" is, for lack of better word, un-classy. As long as the Dead can use the Medium to speak their mind freely, that's good, but making the Dead Thread into an instrument, like a computer that just spits out a result after we feed it data, I generally don't like. I actually think that was the reason why Nog originally in his previous game decided not to go the empowering vote-route (because this has been done before, and more often), but to make the Dead vote straightaway. I mean, this is okay - nothing against it - and it can be used for various shenanigans by both parties (and I remember a game when the Living gave a list, then they changed it after the Dead already voted according to the previous list and the Dead would have strangled all the Living in their sleep if they could) - but I think Nog was onto something when he picked a different route.

I'm having an interesting idea - making the Dead disempower a person with their vote (making it count as zero). I mean, it would be perfect ventilation for frustration of the Dead players, could be used to communicate, etc. If I mod again, I'm gonna explore that possibility. (But if anyone wants... think about it. I think it's a nice idea. Maybe it has downsides. Likely it has. Haven't thought of them yet.)

Right??? And why in the world is no one talking about who they're going to vote toDay???

Because that's what people do. To be fair, I think - and after reading this thread I felt reassured in that opinion - that the Dead perceive things differently than the Living. When you are Living, everything until about one hour before you have to vote feels like plenty of time. There's time for everything. Then yes, of course, suddenly you are in a hurry. But you didn't realise it before. There was time to discuss everything in the world from Gifteds and Cobblers and lists to Wolf manicure.

When you're in the DT, you're just waiting... and waiting... and waiting for the bloody Living to say something concrete, and they... just don't. Because time simply passes differently if you're already in the Beyond, seeing everything from the perspective of Eternity rather than living every moment and every post as if it could be your last! Ha! I'm onto some metaphysical revelations here, possibly.

[Loslote]

I'm having an interesting idea - making the Dead disempower a person with their vote (making it count as zero). I mean, it would be perfect ventilation for frustration of the Dead players, could be used to communicate, etc. If I mod again, I'm gonna explore that possibility. (But if anyone wants... think about it. I think it's a nice idea. Maybe it has downsides. Likely it has. Haven't thought of them yet.)

What if the Dead had one vote, one empowerment, and one disempowerment to use over the whole game, and they had to use them wisely? That could be fun!

[Loslote]

We have three hours, better now than later/never. Okay, alternative suggestion:

If night 4 dream = innocent, no vote
If night 4 dream = wolf, as follows:

If Brinniel is a wolf, empower Kath.
If Kath is a wolf, empower Lommy.
If Macalaure is a wolf, empower Pitch.
If Pitch is a wolf, empower Mac.
If Rikae is a wolf, empower Brinniel.
If Sally is a wolf, empower Nilp.
If Shasta is a wolf, empower Sally.
If Nilp is a wolf, empower Shasta.
If Lommy is a wolf, empower Rikae.

Or some other arrangement that pairs people who are unlikely to be wolves together.

Apparently we are using this list now. :rolleyes:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What if the Dead had one vote, one empowerment, and one disempowerment to use over the whole game, and they had to use them wisely? That could be fun!

There is something to that! But that would limit those who came "later". If some stupid Dead (or evil Dead, or Cobblers - hi G55 - or whoever) wasted one useful thing on the first Day, then those who came later would be robbed of the chance of even having it as their option.

[Loslote]

Looks like the "safe vote" to indicate we suspect Mac would be Pitch. Since Kath listed Pitch as her number one suspect, that might suggest he isn't a wolf, so I guess Mediumizing him would be okay.

[Loslote]

There is something to that! But that would limit those who came "later". If some stupid Dead (or evil Dead, or Cobblers - hi G55 - or whoever) wasted one useful thing on the first Day, then those who came later would be robbed of the chance of even having it as their option.

Exactly - gives the evil Dead the chance to actually affect the game! Also gives the Dead high stakes decisions to make.

[Loslote]

Also, in Mac's old list, empowering Pitch meant Nilp was a wolf, so they should be unlikely to get confused which list we meant to be voting off of. Definitely we need to wait and see who Pitch votes for, but it sounds like he was leaning towards Mac anyway.

[Formendacil]

Also, in Mac's old list, empowering Pitch meant Nilp was a wolf, so they should be unlikely to get confused which list we meant to be voting off of. Definitely we need to wait and see who Pitch votes for, but it sounds like he was leaning towards Mac anyway.

This is a good point.

[EDIT--since I can edit with impunity here, I shall emphasise the following is unrelated to Lottie's quote]

In my hypothetical future game, there will be a Ghost: the Dead Thread can send back one member each day to "haunt" the village (selected anew each Night). I haven't thought any further on the mechanics of that (i.e. would the Ghost get to communicate things wholesale, or only be able to give approved messages, or censored messages... but I'm definitely daydreaming about being able to yell at the Living from Beyond. ;)

[Loslote]

This is a good point.

In my hypothetical future game, there will be a Ghost: the Dead Thread can send back one member each day to "haunt" the village (selected anew each Night). I haven't thought any further on the mechanics of that (i.e. would the Ghost get to communicate things wholesale, or only be able to give approved messages, or censored messages... but I'm definitely daydreaming about being able to yell at the Living from Beyond. ;)

Maybe the Ghost can only repeat things they'd posted while alive? So like, if you were the Ghost, you could repeat "you are all terrible" but you couldn't tell them why. :p

[Loslote]

Look, I just think with 5 good votes to 4 evil ones right now, using the Medium vote for information only could be what tips the scale here. If there's a way to do both (info AND as vote strength) I'm all for it.

I do think anyone wanting to have a "no vote" is misguided at best and wolvish at worst. We do not have that luxury.

Thank you Shasta!!!

[Boromir88]

All I can say, is I'm cracking up laughing.

Thanks, I'm glad at least through all the hair pulling you're all enjoying the living thread as much as I am right now. :p

[Formendacil]

Maybe the Ghost can only repeat things they'd posted while alive? So like, if you were the Ghost, you could repeat "you are all terrible" but you couldn't tell them why. :p

You can only post quotes of yourself?

Not a bad twist. There'd probably have to be some rules, like "whole paragraphs only" (i.e. don't quote "the" then "village" then "are" then "idiots") and no italicising/bolding/underlining/etc allowed.

[Formendacil]

well, we've made our bed, now let's lie in it. I hope the dead thread can make it work, or we're all potentially very dead. :eek:

it would help if you all started voting!

[Formendacil]

it would help if you all started voting!

Fascinating--I typed that in all-caps. I did not know that an all-caps post would be automatically de-capsed.

Learn something new all the time.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Exactly - gives the evil Dead the chance to actually affect the game! Also gives the Dead high stakes decisions to make.
Maybe. Interesting thought for sure.

You can only post quotes of yourself?

Not a bad twist. There'd probably have to be some rules, like "whole paragraphs only" (i.e. don't quote "the" then "village" then "are" then "idiots") and no italicising/bolding/underlining/etc allowed.
Whole paragraphs would be so fun. Even though knowing it, people may be careful in advance and plan how they post so it can be used more easily later on. Which might lead to some rather funny structure of posts.

I would be careful about any "messages" though... people coming back from the Dead has also been used before (although, there it was literally returning, for a Day, bringing info from the Dead, then "dying" again). I didn't particularly like it, it's again one of the things that smells like it isn't phantomproof. My rule no. 1 - if something looks prone to "phantom-ing" on first sight, I'm not using it (or I adjust it so it can't be easily exploited).

But I like the idea of Ghost, in essence. It would only require really thorough planning.

[Formendacil]

So, let me try again (with these sentence having been the safeguard...

IT WOULD HELP IF YOU ALL STARTED VOTING!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Fascinating--I typed that in all-caps. I did not know that an all-caps post would be automatically de-capsed.

Learn something new all the time.

People were shocked by it last time. Also if you try to type a post only with a smiley that consists of pictures of big letters (such as " : D "), it will decap it, therefore making it un-smiley.

But it's one of the ancient policies of the 'Downs and I daresay a clever one. Prevents "caps wars" (not that I think that's a thing anymore).

[Formendacil]

Whole paragraphs would be so fun. Even though knowing it, people may be careful in advance and plan how they post so it can be used more easily later on. Which might lead to some rather funny structure of posts.

That could actually be a feature rather than just a quirk: you'd definitely get layers of people getting lynched or suspected for weird set-ups--and Wolves who would be able to backtrack bad posts with "sorry you all took that wrong--just wanted to lay some Ghost Post fodder."

I would be careful about any "messages" though... people coming back from the Dead has also been used before (although, there it was literally returning, for a Day, bringing info from the Dead, then "dying" again). I didn't particularly like it, it's again one of the things that smells like it isn't phantomproof. My rule no. 1 - if something looks prone to "phantom-ing" on first sight, I'm not using it (or I adjust it so it can't be easily exploited).

But I like the idea of Ghost, in essence. It would only require really thorough planning.

Definitely--like I said, I haven't thought it through other than to note that would be needed. And phantom-proofing is an especially ironic name, in context.

[Formendacil]

People were shocked by it last time. Also if you try to type a post only with a smiley that consists of pictures of big letters (such as " : D "), it will decap it, therefore making it un-smiley.

But it's one of the ancient policies of the 'Downs and I daresay a clever one. Prevents "caps wars" (not that I think that's a thing anymore).

Just goes to show that, in my 15+ years as a Downer, I've apparently never tried an all-caps post!

[Loslote]

Brinn / Shasta / Sally pack, anyone? Nicely flying under our radars the whole time? Scarcely mentioning each other? It suddenly makes a lot of sense to me.

Yep. It's Kath, Mac, and Lommy, 100%.

Well, I currently think Mac and Kath are evil together and Sally feels good. So there's that.

PLEASE listen to Shasta, innocents!!! :eek:

[Loslote]

Also, beginning to think Sally or Brinn might be the cobbler.

[Formendacil]

It's drastic, but I almost want a Ranger Reveal, since Nilp has gone exceedingly missing and the village needs someone other than the Wolves and Cobbler directing things.

[Loslote]

It's drastic, but I almost want a Ranger Reveal, since Nilp has gone exceedingly missing and the village needs someone other than the Wolves and Cobbler directing things.

If the Ranger is Shasta or Pitch, and they direct the innocents to vote for Mac or Kath, I'd be all for it.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Definitely--like I said, I haven't thought it through other than to note that would be needed. And phantom-proofing is an especially ironic name, in context.
Ha! Didn't realise that. Nice catch.
Just goes to show that, in my 15+ years as a Downer, I've apparently never tried an all-caps post!
Certainly nothing to feel sorry for.

Otherwise - watching the Living Thread for the last, what, over an hour, I haven't had so much fun in ages. It looks like out of a stageplay of something by Franz Kafka.

[Formendacil]

Ha! Didn't realise that. Nice catch.

Certainly nothing to feel sorry for.

Otherwise - watching the Living Thread for the last, what, over an hour, I haven't had so much fun in ages. It looks like out of a stageplay of something by Franz Kafka.

This is going to be a little Other-Fandom as a comment, but it's like watching the Jedi bumble their way through the Clone Wars knowing what Palpatine's up to--they keep coming SO close!

[Loslote]

Also, empowering Rikae means Lommy is a wolf. If Rikae votes for Mac or Kath, I'm comfortable with Mediumizing them or Pitch (points to Mac). Definitely not going to empower Lommy (points to Kath). :o

[Formendacil]

Shasta very much. Sally maybe. Brinn I find unlikely. I think you're too quick to discard Pitch as a cobbler.

I'm reading this as "hey pack, let's all vote Shasta."

[Blind Guardian]

:rolleyes:
Some day I want to mod a game. :)
Well, once this is over...?


The rules say mods have to have seven games under their belt and I don't think I do. However, modding would be significantly easier than playing.

But if I do mod I think I'd make a rule that the living can't communicate with the dead. :rolleyes:

[Loslote]

Shasta voted Mac. Every single innocent has to follow now, or the wolves can swing it.

[Formendacil]

Shasta voted Mac. Every single innocent has to follow now, or the wolves can swing it.

On the plus side, if things come down to a tie, we can empower Shasta and the Mac-waggon win the tiebreaker.

So even if all the Wolves vote together, we only need one vote for Mac (and for the cobbler/other innocent to split their votes elsewhere).

[Loslote]

I think we need to tell the living that Lommy is a wolf. They don't seem to be suspecting her, like, at all. So if Rikae votes for Mac, I think we need to Mediumize them.

[Formendacil]

I wasn't criticizing anything, I was giving a warning.

COME ON, SHASTA! (/uppercase)

[Huinesoron]

Okay, Lommy/Mac for sure. Who's the third, do we think? Kath?

YES!

Also, we know from Greenie that neither Shasta, Nilp, or Rikae is the Ranger. If the innocents had only spotted her post, a Ranger reveal would net us 4 known innocents.

hS

[A Little Green]

WHAT ON EARTH ARE THEY DOING???????????????

Like - they were handed a dead wolf and a dead Seer in one go, and instead of trying to figure out who the remaining wolves (or at least previously dreamed innocents) are, they spend the entire Day debating increasingly convoluted ways to communicate with us? Seriously the wolves deserve to win this one. :rolleyes:

I think we need to tell the living that Lommy is a wolf. They don't seem to be suspecting her, like, at all. So if Rikae votes for Mac, I think we need to Mediumize them. This makes sense. Which list are we using again? Rikae's? I lost track :D Basically I'm happy mediumising anyone who votes for Mac, extra points if it makes them look at Lommy too.

If the Ranger is Shasta or Pitch, and they direct the innocents to vote for Mac or Kath, I'd be all for it.Well we know it isn't Shasta (sadly, since a Ranger reveal might have made the rest of them listen to him :rolleyes:).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

WHAT ON EARTH ARE THEY DOING???????????????

Like - they were handed a dead wolf and a dead Seer in one go, and instead of trying to figure out who the remaining wolves (or at least previously dreamed innocents) are, they spend the entire Day debating increasingly convoluted ways to communicate with us? Seriously the wolves deserve to win this one. :rolleyes:
I'm with you on that one :Merisu:

[Huinesoron]

Rikae - I didn't go after you, I asked you a question. You answered. I was satisfied with that answer, so I moved on.

I tried that. Didn't work. :p

hS

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

“The right understanding of any matter and a misunderstanding of the same matter do not wholly exclude each other.”
― Franz Kafka, The Trial

Or how about this, borderline rude, but:

“They're talking about things of which they don't have the slightest understanding, anyway. It's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves.”
― Franz Kafka, The Trial

Who would have known Kafka had such a profound knowledge of Werewolf? One could make an entire game just on these quotes! (Perhaps that's what you should do with the Ghost, Form! A pre-selected bunch of lines from some classics, and see what they can do.)

[Loslote]

Okay, Lommy/Mac for sure. Who's the third, do we think? Kath?

YESSSSSS GO Shasta GO!!!!!!

[Huinesoron]

(Perhaps that's what you should do with the Ghost, Form! A pre-selected bunch of lines from some classics, and see what they can do.)

You can only post the first sentence of any chapter of any work written by J.R.R. Tolkien. :D

hS

[Boromir88]

Who would have known Kafka had such a profound knowledge of Werewolf? One could make an entire game just on these quotes! (Perhaps that's what you should do with the Ghost, Form! A pre-selected bunch of lines from some classics, and see what they can do.)

Seconded. :D

[Loslote]

YES Sally voted with Shasta!!!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

You can only post the first sentence of any chapter of any work written by J.R.R. Tolkien. :D

hS

Actually perfect. *is tempted to go and start browsing to see whether there are any good ones, or some "overpowered" ones*

[Formendacil]

Well, I trust Shasta. Not necessarily his judgement (on everyone at least), but I agree with him here, so let's put my money where my big ol' mouth is. The odds of Mac being a wolf outweigh my current suspicions of Kath.


++Mac


x'd since my last


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

(x-posted with a few)

++Shastanis Althedruin for the extra vote?

[A Little Green]

YES Sally voted with Shasta!!! THIS is why I dreamed Shasta Night 1! I figured he'd make a formidable ally if I knew I could trust him from the start.

Also Form? We need that ghost game. :eek:

[Loslote]

Yeah, the Ghost Game sounds like a ton of fun. :D

And I want to wait to see if Rikae votes for Mac. If they do, Mediumizing them tells the living that Lommy is a wolf. If they don't, Shasta deserves it for single handedly dragging the vote Mac's way. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Actually perfect. *is tempted to go and start browsing to see whether there are any good ones, or some "overpowered" ones*

I realised immediately that majority are about someone walking, riding, going or arriving somewhere. But not necessarily bad. There are other interesting ones, too. And many can be quite lengthy, which is fun.

For the current situation, I would propose:

"Pippin lay in a dark and troubled dream: it seemed that he could hear his own small voice echoing in black tunnels, calling Frodo, Frodo!"

[Formendacil]

THIS is why I dreamed Shasta Night 1! I figured he'd make a formidable ally if I knew I could trust him from the start.

Also Form? We need that ghost game. :eek:

This is the summer for me to fall back into WW...

We'll probably need several drafts of rule rewrites.

(For one thing, I think paragraphs better than sentences, because then you're a lot more vague--"what part of this paragraph doe the ghost mean!!" is better than being able to narrow things down more.)

It would be quite strange after all these years to make the game MORE Tolkien-related.

[Nogrod]

Let's see how this develops, but Shasta could be nice empowerment (even it increased the chances he's killed the next), regardless of any version of the lists.

BUt let's still wait and see how this plays out.

There sure looks to be the two sides now - just some mist in between the borders of both camps.

[Loslote]

Tolkien quotes are the obvious and best choice, but the one thing I LONG to say to the living right now is "Lord, what fools these mortals be." :p

[Huinesoron]

Actually perfect. *is tempted to go and start browsing to see whether there are any good ones, or some "overpowered" ones*

A nice 'we're doomed' one is Silm chapter 9:

After a time a great concourse gathered about the Ring of Doom; and the Valar sat in shadow, for it was night.

And Silm 17 is good if you need to send a message about Nilp:

When three hundred years and more were gone since the Noldor came to Beleriand, in the days of the Long Peace, Finrod Felagund lord of Nargothrond journeyed east of Sirion and went hunting with Maglor and Maedhros, sons of Fëanor.

And I feel like this one is nicely nuanced, though not terribly useful:

Among the tales of sorrow and of ruin that come down to us from the darkness of those days there are yet some in which amid weeping there is joy and under the shadow of death light that endures.

Edit: "You're listening to a fake!"

It is said by the Eldar that Men came into the world in the time of the Shadow of Morgoth, and they fell swiftly under his dominion; for he sent his emissaries among them, and they listened to his evil and cunning words, and they worshipped the Darkness and yet feared it.

hS

[Loslote]

Sorry if I summarised it badly, what you say is how I read it. But I left Lottie and Nilp out of the summary bc they're not relevant right now.

Um, rude. :p

[Formendacil]

Let's see how this develops, but Shasta could be nice empowerment (even it increased the chances he's killed the next), regardless of any version of the lists.

BUt let's still wait and see how this plays out.

There sure looks to be the two sides now - just some mist in between the borders of both camps.

Granted, I don't WANT the Wolves to go after Shasta, but wouldn't it be better if they kill an Ordo tonight instead of the Ranger? And his "that's a warning" post sure FELT like Ranger.

Through Nilp's ostensible presence into the mix and the Wolves have an actual choice to make.

I have no idea who voting for Shasta signified on the schema, though...

[A Little Green]

I think this would be rather fitting just about now -

In the meanwhile, the dwarves sat in darkness, and utter silence fell about them.

...Except I'd almost prefer the utter silence to some of the utter insanity on that thread :rolleyes:

[Loslote]

I think Rikae is the Cobbler, and I think Lommy is cozying up to Brinn to try to persuade her to vote their way. We need Pitch and Nilp to vote Mac asap, and then our empowerment will force a tie that we win. Tense deadline.......

[Blind Guardian]

++Shasta

I have to go and I won't be back before the DL. I want to vote for someone (as opposed to silence, which I think is bad!) and agreed that Mac is furry.

Hopefully this helps and doesn't hinder.

[Huinesoron]

Am starting to worry Rikae might be the Cobbler. I mean:

If the cobbler were smart, they would have done it and gotten Nilp lynched. Guess we don't have a very bright cobbler.

If they're not the Cobbler, then they just insulted the Cobbler directly, which seems a bit beyond how the game is normally played? This just feels like a poke at themselves more than at an unknown other player.

hS

[Loslote]

Yes, I think Rikae is the Cobbler and I think they know who the wolves are.

[Loslote]

And yes, for those who have to vote for Medium early, Shasta is a good choice - but remember that the vote locks in the second we hit four votes!!

[A Little Green]

For the Dead:
+-Macalaure
Go Pitch! Don't let us down now :eek:

[Loslote]

WHERE is Nilp? If Brinn and Rikae vote with the wolves, we NEED him.

[Nogrod]

So we're waiting for the wolves to open the game on their behalf.

Interesting to see, whether they have patience to wait for an innocent to misfire first (Rikae looks likely candidate to make a bad decision at the moment) and how hungrily they dare to jump on it - especially if Mac starts gathering more votes (which is quite possible indeed).

That of course presupposing our theories are correct.

[Loslote]

The wolves will have to vote soon, if only to indicate to their cobbler who to vote. One of Brinn and Rikae is a misled innocent. We either need the innocent to figure out what's going on, waste their vote, or Nilp to show up.

[Nogrod]

If they're not the Cobbler, then they just insulted the Cobbler directly, which seems a bit beyond how the game is normally played? This just feels like a poke at themselves more than at an unknown other player.
That's actually a good catch.

[A Little Green]

And yes, for those who have to vote for Medium early, Shasta is a good choice - but remember that the vote locks in the second we hit four votes!!I might have to since it's already midnight and I'm not sure I'll still be functional in an hour, though rate this is going I'm not sure if I can sleep :D So I'll hang around for a little longer and if I have to go I'll vote to empower Shasta.

[Formendacil]

If Pitch pulls through (wow, I did not expect to say that when I was still aLive...), our vote would make four--so the wolves would need both an Innocent AND the Cobbler to break a tie (assuming of course that we're not so foolish to empower a later voter).

Nilp being MIA cuts both ways there...

[Boromir88]

WHERE is Nilp? If Brinn and Rikae vote with the wolves, we NEED him.

He messaged me when the BD was down (that's how I knew to check) and said that he unfortunately really needed to get some sleep (it was after all like 2 am for him). He said he would set an alarm, but no promises of course.

[Nogrod]

Uhhh Rikae and Brinn and Nilp. Does Mac really look so suspicious to you that he should reasonably garner such a big chunk of the village suspicion?
Ugh. :rolleyes:

[Loslote]

Hold up. I'm one of your top suspects??

Brain... whirling.

Yeah, didn't Brinn think Greenie dreamed Shasta innocent? :confused:

[Loslote]

He messaged me when the BD was down (that's how I knew to check) and said that he unfortunately really needed to get some sleep (it was after all like 2 am for him). He said he would set an alarm, but no promises of course.

Ahhhh. Well, hopefully the alarm works.

[A Little Green]

No way is Mac innocent. He just listed Shasta as "bad" after saying earlier toDay that my list made Shasta look like a dreamed innocent. How are they not picking up on this?

[Loslote]

No way is Mac innocent. He just listed Shasta as "bad" after saying earlier toDay that my list made Shasta look like a dreamed innocent. How are they not picking up on this?

Right?????

[Nogrod]

Brinn is stepping to the dark side... Rikae is there already.

So we need Nilp.

[Formendacil]

Well, I'm off to pick up supper, so I'll be dark 20-25 minutes, but I'll be back.

...not that I think we're going to need to reconsider Shasta as our voice, though it may end up futile, even so.

[Nogrod]

Actually. If the wolves pick - or are aided to pick - Shasta as their forerunner, we'd have all the reasons to empower him!

A new tradition: The Dead Thread empowers the one villagers wrongly lynch.

[Loslote]

I can't believe Brinn is buying this. :o

[Loslote]

Actually. If the wolves pick - or are aided to pick - Shasta as their forerunner, we'd have all the reasons to empower him!

A new tradition: The Dead Thread empowers the one villagers wrongly lynch.

Gotta stay true to form. ;)

[Boromir88]

Actually. If the wolves pick - or are aided to pick - Shasta as their forerunner, we'd have all the reasons to empower him!

A new tradition: The Dead Thread empowers the one villagers wrongly lynch.

I am very much loving every minute of this past hour. This is great

[Loslote]

If they kill Shasta/Sally toDay, whoever of Brinn and Rikae is innocent will (hopefully :eek:) realize they're on the wrong side and swap over. Someone else probably dies toNight, leaving four evils and three innocents, plus a Medium vote. It'll be a race to vote.

[Nogrod]

I am very much loving every minute of this past hour. This is great
I feel you.

The previous game was also hilarious from the Mod's POV. The only sad thing is that you can't actually share your laughs with anyone but need to hold them with you. :)

[A Little Green]

If Brinniel is a wolf, empower Kath.
If Kath is a wolf, empower Lommy.
If Macalaure is a wolf, empower Pitch.
If Pitch is a wolf, empower Mac.
If Rikae is a wolf, empower Brinniel.
If Sally is a wolf, empower Nilp.
If Shasta is a wolf, empower Sally.
If Nilp is a wolf, empower Shasta.
If Lommy is a wolf, empower Rikae.Is this the list they were expecting us to use? If so, and if Pitch does follow through and vote Mac, I think he might be our best shot. If not, I'm all for empowering Shasta and trusting them to figure out that Nilp isn't actually a wolf. Though probably shouldn't take that for granted in this game :rolleyes:

[Loslote]

I don't think the news that Mac is a wolf will surprise anyone no matter what happens. Either he dies and is a wolf, or an innocent dies and everyone knows who the wolves are. At this point, I don't think we can pass them any information that they shouldn't already know.

[Nogrod]

Is this the list they were expecting us to use? If so, and if Pitch does follow through and vote Mac, I think he might be our best shot. If not, I'm all for empowering Shasta and trusting them to figure out that Nilp isn't actually a wolf. Though probably shouldn't take that for granted in this game :rolleyes:
Because there are several lists, it will be a matter of contention toMorrow anyway. So I'd just ignore it. The wolves will use any version of the list that suits their purposes whatever we do.

And Shasta's vote is also the earliest possible, if it comes to that being important.

[Loslote]

Pitch should make his vote official asap, and hope Nilp gets here. Otherwise, as soon as Brinn votes, the wolves + cobbler will slam on that vote within seconds and win the tiebreaker.

[A Little Green]

Pitch should make his vote official asap, and hope Nilp gets here. Otherwise, as soon as Brinn votes, the wolves + cobbler will slam on that vote within seconds and win the tiebreaker.YESSSSSSSS well done Pitch!

[Nogrod]

It's suddenly oddly quiet in there. You can "hear" the brains working on overload in different parts of the planet.

The calm before the storm. :eek:

[Loslote]

YESSSSS A+ WORK Pitch!!!! :D :D

[Loslote]

Just waiting for Nilp now. Or for Brinn to see the light.

[A Little Green]

I don't think the news that Mac is a wolf will surprise anyone no matter what happens. Either he dies and is a wolf, or an innocent dies and everyone knows who the wolves are. At this point, I don't think we can pass them any information that they shouldn't already know.
Because there are several lists, it will be a matter of contention toMorrow anyway. So I'd just ignore it. The wolves will use any version of the list that suits their purposes whatever we do.

And Shasta's vote is also the earliest possible, if it comes to that being important.Fair enough on both counts. So empowering Shasta then?

[Loslote]

Imagine if Nilp shows up and insists Mac can't be a wolf because he didn't get Night killed that one time. :eek:

Greenie - Yes, I think we might as well make Shasta our Medium. He deserves it.

[Nogrod]

Fair enough on both counts. So empowering Shasta then?
Probably yes.

If you need to go to sleep, I think you can go. But can you sleep at this situation? :D

[A Little Green]

Imagine if Nilp shows up and insists Mac can't be a wolf because he didn't get Night killed that one time. :eek:Oh my God I can actually see that happening.

[Loslote]

There's the Rikae vote. Interesting that our suspected cobbler starts it off.

[A Little Green]

If you need to go to sleep, I think you can go. But can you sleep at this situation? Don't think so somehow :D

[Formendacil]

Imagine if Nilp shows up and insists Mac can't be a wolf because he didn't get Night killed that one time. :eek:

Oh dear [deleted expletives]! Don't even think that!

[Nogrod]

Imagine if Nilp shows up and insists Mac can't be a wolf because he didn't get Night killed that one time. :eek:
That is sooo possible! :(

Let's hope he believes more strongly to the Greenie-reading that Shasta is innocent.

[A Little Green]

Yeah, there's no way three innocents just randomly decided to make a bandwagon against Mac. Randomly? Lommy, pay attention!

[Nogrod]

Yeah, there's no way three innocents just randomly decided to make a bandwagon against Mac.
:)


EDIT: X'd, naturally.

[A Little Green]

Also it's kind of frustrating to be a dead Seer when no one actually pays any attention to what I said before I died :o

[Loslote]

While I don't want to split the vote up too much I have no interest in voting Shasta.

THANK GOODNESS. If Brinn and Rikae don't vote the same way, we won't need Nilp's vote after all. The wolves are going to try to convince her to vote Shasta, though.

[Formendacil]

Agreed, but I don't think all of them are wolves either.

While I don't want to split the vote up too much I have no interest in voting Shasta.

Listen to that little voice, Brinn!

[Nogrod]

Also it's kind of frustrating to be a dead Seer when no one actually pays any attention to what I said before I died :o
:(

That's actually pretty sad.

Also for the Village's sake in general.

[Nogrod]

Go Brinn! Go! Trust your instincts!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Also it's kind of frustrating to be a dead Seer when no one actually pays any attention to what I said before I died :o

“Anyway, it’s best not to think about them, as if you do it makes the discussions with the other lawyers, all their advice and all that they do manage to achieve, seem so unpleasant and useless, I had that experience myself, just wanted to throw everything away and lay at home in bed and hear nothing more about it. But that, of course, would be the stupidest thing you could do, and you wouldn’t be left in peace in bed for very long either.”
― Franz Kafka, The Trial

:)

[A Little Green]

Go Brinn! Go! Trust your instincts! She's so close to doing the right thing!

[Nogrod]

Nail-biting time...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

“Intrusive, thoughtless people!" said K. as he turned back into the room. The supervisor may have agreed with him, at least K. thought that was what he saw from the corner of his eye. But it was just as possible that he had not even been listening as he had his hand pressed firmly down on the table and seemed to be comparing the length of his fingers.”
― Franz Kafka, The Trial

Seriously, I didn't realise that this was all about Werewolf. Please, continue...

[A Little Green]

I love that our only dead wolf just kind of hangs around quoting Kafka at everyone. Very classy way to handle it. *hats off*

[Loslote]

I misread Brinn's "two top suspects".

*bashes head on desk*

That's a cobbler who made a mistake if I've ever seen one.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I love that our only dead wolf just kind of hangs around quoting Kafka at everyone. Very classy way to handle it. *hats off*

Well what is one to do. I ran out of popcorn. (Or, ice cream, as it were, in this weather.)

[Huinesoron]

I misread Brinn's "two top suspects".

And that is a clear confession that they voted for Shasta solely because they figured Brinn would join the wagon.

hS

[A Little Green]

Well what is one to do. I ran out of popcorn. (Or, ice cream, as it were, in this weather.) I think you're right. I can't figure out if the genre is horror or slapstick comedy, but either way it's popcorn time.

++ Shasta for medium

[Loslote]

I am really gonna kick myself extra hard if Mac and Kath are wolves and it was obvious to everybody except blind old me (and to Rikae if she isn't the third one).

And there goes Lommy trying to cover herself in case Mac gets caught. :D

[Loslote]

++Shasta

No reason to wait imo.

[Boromir88]

Shasta is the Medium.

I think I have that correct. :D

[Huinesoron]

Is that 4 here?

++Shasta

For solidarity at this point.

hS

[A Little Green]

I am really gonna kick myself extra hard if Mac and Kath are wolves and it was obvious to everybody except blind old me (and to Rikae if she isn't the third one).And there goes Lommy trying to cover herself in case Mac gets caught. :DYeah. Blind old Lommy, who'd ever suspect her. :Merisu:

[Nogrod]

I guess that's it then: a Shasta vs. Mac run.

So let's empower

++ Shastanis Althreduin

The wolves will use any version of the lists they see fit, so no worries about what someone might read from our vote. I'd rather stick to our new tradition.


EDIT: X'd with most everyone coming to the same conclusion. Well, that's unity! :)

[Huinesoron]

At least lynching the cobbler would shift the voting majority to innocent toMorrow.

No no Brinn , don't buy it!

hS

[Loslote]

Brinn breaks the tie unless Nilp comes back. If neither vote, we have the tiebreaker.

[Huinesoron]

Brinn breaks the tie unless Nilp comes back. If neither vote, we have the tiebreaker.

Or if Brinn protest-votes third party...

hS

[A Little Green]

Whichever one they lynch, the result will force them to start making sense toMorrow. Right? :(

[Loslote]

YES Brinn!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Should I pro forma vote against you? :) Nah, I am not one for gestures like that.

“Don't concern yourself about anybody. Just do what you think is right.”
― Franz Kafka, The Trial

[A Little Green]

Or if Brinn protest-votes third party...Noooooo I can totally see this too!

[Loslote]

Also, I think Brinn is the Ranger. Pretty sure anyone else would have come out by now.

[Formendacil]

Urgh. I'm not happy about toDay at all and I'm sticking to my principles.

++Sally

Hopefully I'm wrong and Greenie didn't dream of Shasta, but I'm quite concerned.

WOOO!

As long as Nilp doesn't somehow vote appear and vote Shasta, we have the tiebreaker!

[Huinesoron]

Or if Brinn protest-votes third party...

hS

Hah, called it!

Now we need Nilp /not/ to come back and make an ill-judged vote... :eek:

hS

[Nogrod]

So thus far, with our empowerment, it is 4-4 and Mac is on the gallows with the four gotten earlier.

Two innocents to vote.

:eek:


EDIT: OOOOPPPPSS!

[Loslote]

I kind of feel bad for Brinn. :D

Ha! Wolf.

[Nogrod]

Please sleep Nilp!

:rolleyes::D

[A Little Green]

I'm beginning to think the Dead Thread should ignore the whole blasted lot of us and go their own way. Not sure we've done much to help matters toDay.
I love how Kath gives us permission to go our own way, not knowing we already have :smokin:

[Loslote]

And not for me???????????

If you're wolves with Rikae and Kath I'm not gonna recover.

Doubling down on the social distancing. :D

[A Little Green]

And if Greenie did dream of Shasta, I'm sure she's screaming at y'all beyond the grave. Finally someone understands me!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Whichever one they lynch, the result will force them to start making sense toMorrow. Right? :(

“Logic is of course unshakeable, but it cannot hold out against a man who wants to live.”
― Franz Kafka, The Trial

[Nogrod]

Oh, the concern!
Since my voters voted first, if one of them is the medium, assuming Nilp doesn't magically appear, I get lynched.
And how come you think we might be empowering someone who voted for you, dear Mac?

[Huinesoron]

DEAD THREAD, EMPOWER ME, FOR FLIP'S SAKE.

I love how much calmer we are over here. :) Don't worry, we're on it, as long as Nilp stays gone...

hS

[Nogrod]

Five minutes... please sleep Nilp.

Worst case scenario: Nilp comes and is totally clueless - and the wolves guide him to do "the right thing" - and he has no time to really consider things himself. :eek:

[Huinesoron]

Ha! Wolf.

I really hope the innocents spot this confession that the Wolves mass-voted.

hS

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Five minutes... please sleep Nilp.

Worst case scenario: Nilp comes and is totally clueless - and the wolves guide him to do "the right thing" - and he has no time to really consider things himself. :eek:

“Someone must have been telling lies about Joseph K., for without having done anything wrong he was arrested one fine morning.”
― Franz Kafka, The Trial

[A Little Green]

The dead thread is going crazy. Maybe they're actually mobilizing! Cross your fingers, chaps! :cool::cool::cool:

[Formendacil]

I love how much calmer we are over here. :) Don't worry, we're on it, as long as Nilp stays gone...

hS

CALMER!

I'm thrice as tense as I was aLive!

[Loslote]

The dead thread is going crazy. Maybe they're actually mobilizing! Cross your fingers, chaps!

We've BEEN going crazy, we're just now finally calming down! :D

[Nogrod]

I'm refreshing both threads in 30 second intervals... :)

[Huinesoron]

I'm refreshing both threads in 30 second intervals... :)

Ditto!

But in a relaxed sort of way. :D

hS

[Nogrod]

We just might do it.

[Loslote]

Here we go. Mac, I really hope to see you soon. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

CALMER!

I'm thrice as tense as I was aLive!

Isn't it amazing?

Peace is a lie, there is only passion!

(I recall, was it Hui who quoted the Jedi Code here? Felt like I should complement it. No, this wasn't Kafka this time.)

[Nogrod]

Noooooooo!!!!!!!

[Loslote]

NOOOOOOOOoO!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

[A Little Green]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NILP what are you doing?????????

[Huinesoron]

OH, GOD'S TEETH!

hS

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay. This Sith Code just got out of hand... :eek: Peace IS a lie, there is only passion. There! *points* That's it for you!

[Loslote]

Shasta, we tried. :o

[Huinesoron]

Isn't it amazing?

Peace is a lie, there is only passion!

(I recall, was it Hui who quoted the Jedi Code here? Felt like I should complement it. No, this wasn't Kafka this time.)

It was. Curse you and all your kind, SithWolf. :mad:;)

hS

[Loslote]

Last FLIPPING second. :mad::rolleyes::o

[Formendacil]

I take back anything nice I said about anyone Living in this game!

...though I'm struggling to think what that might have been.:p

[Huinesoron]

A Ranger save would be really nice toNight.

Also I could use a bigger straw to grasp at. This one's crumbling.

hS

[Nogrod]

Well... well, nothing to say right now.


But welcome Shasta anyway!

Read the Thread and see that some people at least valued your effort!

[Loslote]

We have one more Day. It'll be a race to get the votes, and the wolves can coordinate to all vote the same person at 4:00 on the dot, and hope the cobbler echos as quickly as possible.

[Huinesoron]

Hey, Shasta. I think you were the only Living villager to correctly put all the dots together, so well done! It very nearly worked. :-/

hS

[Formendacil]

I wish we could protest that Nilp's vote came in on the 10:00 GMT minute itself and is therefore disqualified, but that is a slender legalism indeed.

If you thinking of it as killing off his own team (and thus himself), that really was the Nilping to end all Nilping.

[Boromir88]

The Dead

Boro (Town Recorder) - murdered by pack Night 1
Huinesoron (Villager) - lynched Day 1
Loslote (Villager) - killed by pack Night 2
Nogrod (Villager) - Lynched Day 2
Blind Guardian (Villager) - killed by pack Night 3
Formendacil (Villager) - lynched Day 3
A Little Green (Seer) - killed by pack Night 4
Legate of Amon Lanc (Werewolf) - caught in BH booby trap Night 4
Shastanis Althreduin (Villager) - Lynched Day 4

Welcome Shasta. Join your place among the Dead. I believe you will find comfort here.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

It was. Curse you and all your kind, SithWolf. :mad:;)

hS

Hey. I am just stating some general principles here.

But I guess we can agree on that nobody of us expected anything like this at all. Never. Anywhere.

[Blind Guardian]

This game is infuriating.