Cryptic Clues

[Orual]

Take note that it's almost eleven, but I've got a wild guess...could it be Aragorn? I'm just working off of a connection to Eowyn ("Progressive female from the Mark") and something that sounds like "Rider" (Strider).

I'm likely wrong, but why not try...?

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 12:07 AM December 31, 2003: Message edited by: Orual ]

[Gil-numen]

Meriadoc Brandybuck ?

Dernhelm took him as a rider

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"Show it to me"
Thingol to Beren

[The Saucepan Man]

Nope. Think less literally and more cryptically. smilies/evil.gif smilies/wink.gif

[Lord of Angmar]

This is a hard one to crack, Saucepan, but I shall take a rather imbecilic crack at it:

Since "her" is the possessive form of "she" ("Possesive female"), and since you talk about a the Mark, meaning Rohan, perhaps you mean Herugrim, the sword of Theoden?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Or could it be Dernhelm? Or is my answer too obvious? smilies/cool.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Lord of Angmar, you are very close indeed. So close, in fact, that you are just one syllable out.

Nope, Nilpaurion, not Dernhelm.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Herunúmen?

[Finwe]

Herucalmo?

[The Saucepan Man]

Nope. Right two syllables, wrong ending.

Try solving the cryptic clues (the Lord of Angmar has done some of this already). I will not be awarding a correct answer without an explanation. smilies/evil.gif

[Turambar]

Herubrand ? L of A's cryptic reasoning + the name of a Rider of Rohan ?

EDIT: plus "Mark" = brand ? So "Mark" was a double - a cryptic AND a straight clue ?

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 4:05 PM January 05, 2004: Message edited by: Turambar ]

[The Saucepan Man]

Actually, "Mark" was a cryptic clue for brand, with a sounded "you" (ie "u") before it. The straight clue was "Rider".

But you were on the right track, and gave the corrct answer, so the thread is yours, Master of Doom. smilies/smile.gif

[Turambar]

Famed as caretaker of lost treasure.

[Celebrian]

Smeagol or Smaug? Smeagol or Smaug?
I choose Smaug

[Turambar]

No, neither.

Nice avy ! smilies/wink.gif

[Celebrian]

Our friend Thorin of the Arkenstone?

Thanks! and thank you for the Yul inspiration!
*hums and drums on her computer desk "The Twelve Days of Christmas"

[Turambar]

No - there's a "cryptic" clue in there.

[Celebrian]

Great...something?
Edit for clarity: That is, does the word "Great" figure in?

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 12:45 PM January 06, 2004: Message edited by: Celebrian ]

[Turambar]

Nyet.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

...nyet?

[Turambar]

Errr - no, the word "Great" does not appear in the answer.

[Celebrian]

Steward of Gondor?

[Turambar]

Nope.

HINT: A "cryptic" clue (by my definition) means a Scramble, a word-within-words, a "sounds like", etc.

HINT 2: "stolen treasure" might be more accurate.

[Kath]

I can't remember his name but maybe the guy who stole the Silmarils?
If this is wrong could you still tell me who it was cos I've lost my copy of the Silmarillion - doh!

[Elrond of Rivendell]

I can't remember his name but maybe the guy who stole the Silmarils?
If this is wrong could you still tell me who it was cos I've lost my copy of the Silmarillion - doh!
You probable mean Morgoth or Melkor, as his original name was.
But honestly, I don't think Turambar's riddle will be THAT easy. smilies/biggrin.gif
But anyway, welcome to the Downs.
Greetings,
EfR

[Finwe]

Beren?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The answer would be Ascar.

[Turambar]

Nilpaurion has it - the river Ascar, where the stolen treasure of Doriath was drowned.

[The Barrow-Wight]

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[Finwe]

*keels over in a dead faint*


And I thought that the other crosswords were hard!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Twice bearing south

and...

I will not be awarding a correct answer without an explanation. smilies/evil.gif

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

What? No takers??? smilies/eek.gif

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

C'mon, people! This is faux-naïf for you expert quizzers!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

OK, how about someone ask me for a hint...although I did recall someone say...

Hints are for wimps. smilies/tongue.gif smilies/wink.gif

OK, if I make the first four posts of the eight page of this thread, I'm going to be really sad... smilies/frown.gif

[Elrond of Rivendell]

OK, if I make the first four posts of the eight page of this thread, I'm going to be really sad...

Nooooo! ... I won't let this happen. smilies/wink.gif
So: Could I have a hint please? smilies/biggrin.gif

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Wow! Thank you!

South is both a straight and a cryptic clue. Twice means you'll have to use bearing twice.

There! That's all I could give without giving away the answer!

[symestreem]

Is the answer Sarn Gebir? Because if it is, that's been posted here before. Or maybe it was another thread...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I know what you mean. But this is different.

And the answer's not Sarn Gebir... smilies/wink.gif

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

*drool drizzles from the dank, dark, dungeon that is my mouth*

Any takers? *wrings hands in agony* Pleaeaeaeaeazzzzzzzzeeeeeee!!!!!!

[Finwe]

Was it Smeagol, because he held (or bore) the Ring twice?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I'm sorry, but no...

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 3:30 AM January 24, 2004: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[Finwe]

lbo?

A hint would be nice, though, if that isn't the right answer.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Hints? Like what? Like, if I say they are a group of people? That kind of hints? No, I won't give you hints. smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Finwe]

The Edain?

[Gil-Galad]

The host of the Last Alliance?
they both went south and there were elves and men together (elendil and Gil-Galad)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

And both answers are...wrong!

[Finwe]

Sauron? He fled south twice.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Your answer is wrong. smilies/tongue.gif

Oh, by the way - the question is one pure cryptic mess.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 9:48 PM January 28, 2004: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[Celegorm]

This may make no sense, but on the other hand it does, if reading the cryptic clue word by word.

Shadowfax is bearing Gandalf two times south to Minas Tirith. So, I say: Shadowfax?

[Turambar]

Near Harad/Far Harad ?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Clarifying question:

Bearing bearing south.

And...the answer is a group of people. Yohoho! smilies/cool.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Is the answer Corsairs?

Not sure how it works, but "course" is a synonym for bearing, and the Corsairs came from the south.

That and the yohoho thing. smilies/biggrin.gif

[Turambar]

Ah ! And air is also a synonym of "bearing", in another sense.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Must have not given too much clues...

and...

I hate you, "Tim"...

*deadpan* The thread is yours... smilies/frown.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Source of illumination for pointless standard

[Turambar]

Ormal ?

[The Saucepan Man]

I will not be awarding a correct answer without an explanation. smilies/evil.gif

[Turambar]

Ormal - one of the Lamps of the Valar, hence illumination. Also, it's "normal" (standard) without "N" (point).

QED. smilies/tongue.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

That's the ticket. smilies/wink.gif

You're up next, Master of Doom. smilies/smile.gif

[Turambar]

Cavalry captain died in this spot, we hear.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Dúnhere is our cavalry captain (of Rohan). The rest of the clue makes a play of his name sounding a bit like 'done here'.

[Turambar]

Well done !

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Thanks, old boy. Here's a simple one to ease me back in.

Eastern land is a character, you say?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Welcome back to this wonderful game, Laird of Dun Sóbrin! Your absence has been dearly felt - right, people?

*looks around, no reaction*

Oh, well. At least I tried. What? Oh, yeah. The answer.

Rhûn. Another word for character. smilies/smile.gif

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 2:05 AM February 06, 2004: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

I thank thee for thy kind words.

That is, of course, the answer. Take it away, Nilpaurion.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Thanks, oh Wraith of Decline! smilies/smile.gif

I've been thinking: if my hard cryptic clues are nothing to Saucepan(heck, he answered both of them), maybe an easy one will stump him. It would be a happy day if I could do that. smilies/wink.gif

Cut the crap - give us your question!

OK, OK...

Danish brick note direction.

[Turambar]

Teiglin ?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

:)

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Could it be Caradhras, the Redhorn?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

:p

[Celegorm]

Isn't a brick something like Baggins in danish?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I don't know, but "Baggins" is not part of the answer.

[The Saucepan Man]

maybe an easy one will stump him No such luck! :p

Danish brick = Lego :D
note = La
direction = S (South)

The whole being Legolas. :cool:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhh! Not again! This can't be! Why! Why! Why! *bonks head on a rock*

Adam, a random alter-ego: Does that hurt? Cool! He's hurting himself!

Oh, and yes, that is the answer, Mr. Man...Bildûr...your legion of characters at I - PA. *continues bonking head on the said rock*

[The Saucepan Man]

Hey, Nilp - lay of that poor rock. :p :D

Hobbit studied subject at North American university gaining initial recognition where another failed.

:smokin: (gratuitous use of new smilie)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Hey, Nilp - lay of that poor rock. :p :D
Laying off...

Elfstan Fairbairn? How about a hint?

And don't give me this!

Hints are for wimps.

[The Saucepan Man]

No, it's not Elfstan Fairbarn.

And no hints until we've had a few more guesses.

It's quite simply, really ...

[Celegorm]

Peter Jackson?

[The Saucepan Man]

:D

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Pansy Baggins?

Somehow, I find that quite amusing.

Yeah, me too. But I think that's not the answer.

Andwise Roper?

[The Saucepan Man]

Nope.

You know folks, it's really not that difficult. But here's a hint anyway - the cryptic clues are as follows:

Hobbit
studied subject
North American
university
initial recognition

Put these together and you should get the answer, for which the straight clue is:

where another failed

Capiche? :D

[Turambar]

Sammath Naur.

Sorry - I kept thinking that Hobbit was the straight clue.

- - - - - - - - - -

I'm pretty sure that's right, so to keep the game going I'll post a new one:

Father of friend, note, made noise and stole.

[The Saucepan Man]

You should wait for confirmation, all the same. :rolleyes:

Is the answer Paladin, father of Pippin Took (friend=pal, note=a, noise=din)?

[Turambar]

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Bereaved father takes directions from rap artist.

[The Saucepan Man]

Anyone?

*A tumbleweed blows across the empty thread*

:rolleyes:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

And no

Hints are for wimps. :p ;)

[The Saucepan Man]

The hint is in the question! :p

[Finwe]

Dior?

[The Saucepan Man]

Nope, not Dior.

And I expect an explanation with the answer. :p

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Circumventing the hint-giving process by pointing out that the hint is in the question. How about a hint not in the question? :p

[Celegorm]

Mim?

(Eminem -e-n-e)

[The Saucepan Man]

See, no hints needed! :p

Well done, Celegorm. That's the answer I was looking for. Please proceed. :)

[Celegorm]

... and with my bad english... :rolleyes:

Anyway, so this is easy:

alcoholic precious in ruling position

[Silmarien]

It isn't King is it?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

alcoholic - Brandy
precious - buck
in ruling position - the Brandybucks are masters of Buckland.

[Celegorm]

Nope, both wrong... a little hint: king isn't the word, but part of the clue.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

"alcoholic precious" reminds me of the time Gollum and I got a little drunk...*sighs*...memories...

Anyway, is it the One Ring?

[Celegorm]

No.

:D And I thought, this would be easy for you and S-Men.

[Lindolirian]

It makes me think of Holdwine, a nickname for Merry, which actually meant good friend, but had other obvious implications as well. As for ruling position, he did receive this nickname from the King of Rohan, and Merry was also the Master of Buckland for sometime. Anyway, Happy Birthday!

[Celegorm]

No, not exactly what I was looking for....

[Miriel]

Oooh! Is it The Kinslaying? 'shiny' and 'ale' (cheating slightly with the h and e) are inside 'king'. Not sure about the 't', but...?

[Celegorm]

No, not the Kinslaying. You are thinking much too complex...

Lindolirian was close, but as I said, not exactly what I was looking for.

[Finwe]

Is it Master of Buckland?

[Silmarien]

Goldwine?
a king of the Rohirrim the ring was gold and wine is alcoholic

[Celegorm]

Yes, Silmarien got it.

It's Goldwine.
Gold ~ precious
wine ~ alcoholic
and as a king, he is in a ruling position.

Please go on, Silmarien. :)

[Silmarien]

Oh my goodness I can hardly believe I got one. Anyway here goes
Group of musical underwear invents a popular sport

[NightKnight]

Bandobras Took?

[Silmarien]

And here was little me thinking I could trick wizz quizzers *sigh*, well done Knight.
Pray continue thou hath guessed right. :)

[NightKnight]

"Invents a popular sport" kinda gave it away...

Alright...

Constellation without superpower sends instant message to shortened river plus m-less subject in the woods.

[Finwe]

Isengrim Took?

[NightKnight]

Nope.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Taur im Duinath

The constellation is Taurus, and by removing a superpower (U.S.) from it we get Taur. Instant Message abbreviated gives us I.M.; the shortened river is [An]duin and the m-less subject is [M]ath, the final answer being a forest.

[NightKnight]

Perfect, Mr. Squatter. Your turn. :)

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Let's see how you get on with this one:

Flower involved in rite

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Ummm...simbelmynë?

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

I'm going to be difficult with this one and demand the full solution. As it happens, Simbelmynë is a long way from the right answer anyway.

Clue: double meanings are pivotal to the solution.

[Turambar]

Thinking out loud . . .

"Flower" could mean the name of a flower (rose, iris, daisy, to name some short ones), or the name of a river (Aros, Celos, etc., again starting with shorter names).

As a cryptic clue, "involved in" might mean that one word is inside another, as where "Soldier involved in familar area" becomes "LOGICAL" ("GI" in "local").

"Rite" - can't think of any short synonyms or examples.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Well said. Do you have an answer to my question?

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Any takers? It's easier than it looks.

[Turambar]

I'm sure I'll kick myself when the answer is guessed, but I don't see it.

Is there a "straight clue" in there ? :confused:

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

In a way the entire clue is straight. Then again, in another sense the clue is entirely cryptic. At its heart there is a double meaning and yes, you will kick yourself.

[Finwe]

Let's see... Nenuial?

(Flower) --> (One who flows) --> Nin, nen

involved in --> is a part of/ along with

(Rite) --> Ritual --> uial

That gives you Nenuial.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

You're going in the right direction, but that's not the answer. There are no anagrams in this clue, and one need know only English to get the answer.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Surely someone must have worked this one out by now.

Since I'm stalling the game at the moment I'll post the solution if nobody gets it by the end of the week.

[Son of Númenor]

Squatter, your cryptic clue has had me staring at my computer screen for many hours these past few days, & I have had naught to show for it but dry eyes & a headache. I hope I, or, at least someone, will be able to do you the service of solving it before the week's end.

-Númenor

[The Saucepan Man]

Is it Celebrant?

A celebrant might be said to be someone involved in a celebration or rite, and it is also a flower (ie something that flows) in Middle-earth.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Gaudeamus igitur: we have a winner.

Nice one, Saucepan.

[The Saucepan Man]

Cheers Squatter. :)

Next up:

Grave beauty seen in pointless comforting words.

[The Saucepan Man]

Yet again, great silent empty vistas open up ...

... anyone?

[Fingolfin II]

Is it Arwen? She was very beautiful and when Aragorn died, he comforted her with words? It's a feeble guess.......but you never know.

[The Saucepan Man]

That's not it, I'm afraid. You're thinking too literally. For a refresher on the types of elements which might make up a cryptic clue, have a look at my post #7 on the first page of this thread. That might help ...

[Morsul the Dark]

im gonna say gandalf here's why
G is the first letter of the clue
G is the first letter in Gandalf
Denetor basicly thought all his words were pointless "Pointless comforting words"
Denetor...or Theoden...called him Stormcrow...which is a sad name..sad has a synonym.."Grave"
Faramir still admiired him "Beauty"

I dont suppose im right?

[The Saucepan Man]

Good effort Morsul, but unfortunately your supposition is correct. It's not the right answer.

OK, time for a hint. To find the answer, you need to think of some comforting words and make them pointless. :p ;)

[Morsul the Dark]

well i dont get the hint really but heres my second guess
using ur hint i came up with this (its over=pointless its over but so much was lost)......so

Aragorn?
he brings comfort with an army...
from the GRAVE.....
which is beautiful because it helps end the siege of Minas Tirith.....
r hint is annoying me lol it makes little sense to me

[The Saucepan Man]

Nope, I'm afraid not.

The hint will make more sense if you look at the guidelines on cryptic clues on the first page. "Pointless" should not be taken in its literal sense.

By the way, Morsul, since this site is devoted to the works of one who was a master of his language (and many others besides), we prefer not to use "chatspeak" here, so it's best to avoid using it. :)

[Morsul the Dark]

im sorry ill try not to use chat speech....just so used to it...grr...i give up on that one

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

By removing North from never mind, we get Evermind; a grave beauty.

[The Saucepan Man]

Quite so, Squatter. Pray proceed. :)

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Two greetings heard from barrier.

[Morsul the Dark]

is it Isengard?

two (two hobbits)
barrier (fortress)
two greetings heard- wogh=tree eard+b=treebeard

merry and pippin welcomed the others
Treebeard took Isengard Down
and Isendgard was a fortress which is in close relation to the word barrier

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

The real answer's much simpler than that.

[The Saucepan Man]

Not sure about this one, but "Hi" and "Hey" are two greetings. Put together, they sound like (are heard as) "High Hay", the hedge around the eastern border of Buckland.

So I'll say High Hay.

Any good?

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Which is just good enough to make you the next up. :smokin:

[The Saucepan Man]

Head-line writer produces article for exiled king. :p

[Morsul the Dark]

Is this one Gandalf hehe
Head-Line writer someone who brings news
Gandalf was always bringing news
Produces article for exiled king
Gandalf crowned Aragorn
Gandalf

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

How about a clue to your cryptic clue?

[Morsul the Dark]

it's been eleven days since the question has been asked so by my understanding i may ask one

"Son of God bent on seeing a mouse"

[NightKnight]

Actually, it's not your turn, since people have been guessing within the 10 days. I think the rule applies when there is no confirmation of an answer or no new question has been asked within 10 days.

[The Saucepan Man]

Miffed though I am that my question has been superseded (as I quite like it), bumping and asking for clues don't count to delay the 10 day rule. So I'm happy to let Morsul's question stand. I will simply repeat mine next time it's my turn. :D

[NightKnight]

Oh. I'm sorry then.

[Morsul the Dark]

well handsome is as handsome does I shall repeat my question(though for all watching for 10 days ill use my original post as the timer until i get a guess to confirm)

"Son of God bent on seeing a mouse"

[Morsul the Dark]

boy and i was scared someone would have applied the 10 day rule by now. No guesses? there must be one or two? :eek: unless this is too hard for you? :rolleyes:

[Morsul the Dark]

ok fine then may i reword the clue?

"The boy who cried wolf went and forgot what it looked like"
"Son of god bent aon seeing a mouse"

both clues to the same answer
hint:

(son of god, boy that cried wolf) were considered...

[The Saucepan Man]

(son of god, boy that cried wolf) were considered...Well the only link that I can see between these two is that they were both shepherds.

So is it Shepherd of the Trees or Ent?

[Morsul the Dark]

yes ents

also another thing both clues had in common
bent and went i used word in word

go ahead saucepanman

[The Saucepan Man]

Thanks Morsul. :) Although, for future reference, it's best to indicate a word in word clue by preceding it with something like "found in" or "hiding within".

Eg "Boy who cried wolf forgot what it looked like when hidden in vent."

A-n-y-w-a-y, the next clue is the previous one, which remained unguessed:

Head-line writer produces article for exiled king.

*sits back and waits for unadulterated silence* :rolleyes: :D

[Morsul the Dark]

Is this one Gandalf hehe
Head-Line writer someone who brings news
Gandalf was always bringing news
Produces article for exiled king
Gandalf crowned Aragorn
Gandalf

that was my last guess which was not verified and ill use it again

[The Saucepan Man]

No, not Gandalf.

[Morsul the Dark]

I shall try Frodo

Frod is writing LOTR in the book...
and he offers the ring to Aragorn(I'm trying to remember if that was in the book as well.)

Or it could be Bilbo he wrote the Hobbit and he gave an article of clothin to Frodo who was master of Bag-End
master being a synonym*(SP?) for king

[The Saucepan Man]

Nope. It's neither Frodo nor Bilbo.

[symestreem]

Methinks it could be Elrond-
Head-line writer: He wrote down much lore, including the lines of many heads of houses
Produces article for exiled king: Gave Aragorn the tokens of his house

[The Saucepan Man]

Nope, not Elrond either I'm afraid.

Hint: The exiled king is not of Middle-earth.

[Morsul the Dark]

wow that completely destroys all my hopes of knowing it hehe so Sauron he was very well known and he was most likely a headline subject and he made to ring to serve his lord Melkos who was exiled from Valor

wow that is so wrong

[The Saucepan Man]

That is so wrong. :p ;)

The only literal clue in the question is "head-line writer", although it's a tricksy one. The other elements are cryptic clues (and require a reasonable knowledge of twentieth century European history). :smokin:

[The Saucepan Man]

By the way, that lasy post was intended to provide a hint. But don't be put off if you know little of modern European history. You should be able to get it by thinking of a "head-line writer", but you will need to think a little bit laterally.

[Morsul the Dark]

Grima wormtounge I know nothing of moern Euro history I think you mean the king of Germany after WWI but I forgot his name

but Grima gave news to Theoden he didn't write it but he told him...

wait if I'm thinking of the right king he may have been Hapsburg(its aAustria but I'm oin to something I hope) Burg=hornburg= helm hammahand...

Hama?
or Grima?

[The Saucepan Man]

No. Sorry, Morsul. :p :D

I need a few more guesses before I give any more hints.

[Morsul the Dark]

:mad: dont stick your tongue out at me! just kidding let's see...

looked up laterally didn't help me...hehe

king euro history...

hgeadline writer using the definition of laterally I'll say

Sam? brought news to Merry and Pippin about Frodo who he is equal to?

[The Saucepan Man]

Nope, sorry. Not Sam either.

OK, here's a BIG hint. You have to think both laterally and literally. Who was literally a head-line writer? :D

[Morsul the Dark]

Saruman? I'm sure wrote about the ring and such and gave all his notes headlines

Bilbo Is the only one i know that wrote head-lines or titles

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

He wrote headlines in Arda? Or in Europe?

[Morsul the Dark]

accroding to saucepan man

article for the exiled king is the europe bit

the headline writer is ME


The Saucepan Man:

The only literal clue in the question is "head-line writer", although it's a tricksy one. The other elements are cryptic clues (and require a reasonable knowledge of twentieth century European history).

[The Saucepan Man]

Nope. Not Bilbo or Saruman.

OK, here are some BIG clues:

Think of a head line writer.

As for the cyptic clues, the article is grammatical in nature and the exiled king was South-East European in origin.

:smokin:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The "exiled king" was King Zog of Albania.

Azog wrote on Thrór's head.

Tricksy, Saucepan. :)

[Morsul the Dark]

I was looking at that name too about five minutes before you answered but I didn't know he had any relation to ME I did't know that one.... sadly at work I had thought up an awesome clue but I shall wait for my next turn

[The Saucepan Man]

Well done, Nilpaurion. :)

Naughty of me, I know, to use an exiled Albanian king as part of the clue, but I do enjoy the occasional bout of tricksiness. ;)

Sorry, Morsul. Better luck next time.

Take it away, Nil ...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Don'tcha worry, Morsul mah man, I'm-a lay it easy on you.

So there's this dude, an' he was, like, just waitin' for me, man, y'know what I'm sayin'? So then, I pass him, an' then he started shoutin' like crazy.

Photographic equipment without age is missing, man.

I just, like, say, "Whatevah, dude."

[Morsul the Dark]

I'll wait for the next one thanks that is utterly weird...

unless...wips out elvish dictionary

kodak=kuduk which is hobbit for hobbit and their age of orign is unknown so theyre ageless and now they are not to be found

Hobbits will be my first and perhaps last guess

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

But the "photographic equipment" is general, not a specific brand. :)

[Morsul the Dark]

Beren or Camlost

Camera is lost beren is a man the age is throwing me

and I thought I was sly with kuduk

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Camera (photographic equipment) - era (age) + lost (missing) = Camlost, or Beren.

Good job, Morsul! :)

[Morsul the Dark]

Here's my cryptic clue perhaps to easy but I think it sounds cool

"deep into that darkness peering long I stood there wondering fearing doubting, for 20000 leagues under the sea that Cursed word repeated again and again and I began to wonder would this be my tomb?"

I used a a bit from Edger Allen Poe's the Raven for anyone that actually cares :rolleyes:

[Morsul the Dark]

OK this is the second puzzle up here that I made and it is the second one that has been ignored.do I make them too hard? :p

I'm looking for a plce...maybe that was confusing If i wanted a place or person

It's a place

[Nuranar]

I'm not familiar enough with The Raven to know when it leaves off and your clues pick up! That's what's confusing me, although I'll keep trying...

[Morsul the Dark]

It is part of the clue (and the quote ends at doubting)

[Morsul the Dark]

Taunts Players come on its not as hard as it looks its long yes but simple

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I'm not learned in the lore of Pôe, so I can't answer.

And I'm already drowned in readings as it is . . .

[Morsul the Dark]

It doesnt matter that its from poe merely a cool quote and I figured Id let everyone know in case they were curious...

as for the answer it has its own meaning

[Morsul the Dark]

tralalala did i stump you all? or are you ignoring my? its mainly entirely a strait clue except two things

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

So, it is a place. Is it a tomb?

[Morsul the Dark]

it is a tomb in a tomb

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Balin's Tomb in Moria?

[Morsul the Dark]

yes

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Universe reversed blue waters after high direction.

[Morsul the Dark]

Unviere-heavens-stars stars= elin

blue wtaers reversed Nile=Elin

Look up ward at the sky

Elin

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Try again. ;)

[Morsul the Dark]

Forochel

it was my original answer but Elin made more sense

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The straight clue is "waters". Hope that helps.

[Morsul the Dark]

hmmm waters
plural?

i could assume it is a river....

north....for...forn....forod...formen

...elub...nuhl...niul...enuil...

but what is universe...Gulf of Lune lune=lunar

forlond lhun sounds like lune

so Forlond

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Wrong.

[Morsul the Dark]

aeron

Ocean on is kind of a high direction
Universe is great great ocean
and reversed...um...Dont know...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Although some parts are eerily close.

[Morsul the Dark]

which parts I wonder...

Andrast (on-drost)
An sounds like on and thaat needs to be in front

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Colder.

[Morsul the Dark]

colder Ill wager my next few guesses are warm places I dont know the geography well so Im slinking around picking words that seem to fit

Ringwil?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I meant "colder" further away from the true answer.

Not Ringwil. Two words. Take the clue step by step, and you'll get it.

[Morsul the Dark]

Eithel Serion

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Still not there.

[Morsul the Dark]

Eithel Ivren?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Use wordplay on the cryptic clue.

And . . . because I'm http://www.geocities.com/louis_martian/smilies/evil.gif . . .

I will not be awarding a correct answer without an explanation. http://www.geocities.com/louis_martian/smilies/evil.gif

[Morsul the Dark]

nein? deustch solsst ich in deautsch this ting lesen?(cant spell in german sorry)

but was that a clue?

and I need an explanation well you wont be hearing from mer for a bit

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Universe reversed
blue
waters
after
high
direction.

Bold - cryptic elements
Italics - position
Normal - straight clue

That should help. ;)

[Morsul the Dark]

universe reversed-bigbang-nothingsness-abyss
blue-sad


passed over away- over= passed away= Dead
before
abyss sad oceans= marshes

dead marshes?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

If you check your previous posts, you'll see a correct version of universe reversed. ;)

[Morsul the Dark]

aelin-uial?

by looking at the post that was eerily close
then this had two word
an ia(abyss) is in the second part

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

But still no.

Universe reversed is after high direction. Think about that . . . :smokin:

[Morsul the Dark]

I don't know thats all I could find "starts having mental breakdown" :eek: :rolleyes: :mad:

Branda-nin

an=on
da=Down away
nin=nil(nothing)-l+n

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

You were on the right track on universe reversed on your previous answer.

[Morsul the Dark]

ia is right?

ok high direction
up north elevate......elevate a way

Ethir Anduin

I dont have an explanation
Anduin is close to my other guess Ethir could be a high diretion I have no idea...just let it be right..... :(

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

High and direction are separate, remember?

Oh, and "ia" is wrong. Sorry. :o

[Morsul the Dark]

so im basicly back to square one

high

upaway
overaway
elevatedaway

Henneth annun

nun=none=nothing=universe reversed

hen not sure...

neth=north=direction

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I'm really evil, ain't I?

Your perception of universe reversed is incorrect. It is:

Universe
reversed

Use the aforementioned legend. ;)

[Morsul the Dark]

ok reversed as a position? oh wait hmm

Grand
Great
Cosmos
heaven....menel lenem....

nen hithoelit
a lake is above something
it has two words

..........and I am utterly wrong right

Mark my words when I get this because I will eventually the next one will be a cryptic clue that cannot be solved! :mad: :p :cool:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

. . . in assuming that you're wrong. :p

Mark my words when I get this because I will eventually the next one will be a cryptic clue that cannot be solved!
You'll have to get this first. ;) :p

[Morsul the Dark]

nen Girith

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

En - Oh!

Sorry, Morsul.

Try using English -> Elvish direct; no synonyms.

[Morsul the Dark]

jeez Id get to post mine quicker with the ten day rule

universe doesnt translate into elvish
closest thing is heaven menel

Lenem does not have a meaning nor is it anywhere to be found

so I am utterly stumped...

I admit defeat I have run out of ideas...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Morsul, check your Ainulindalë. ;)

[Morsul the Dark]

its the song of creation....

alen-uial is the only A that has two words and is about water...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Universe reversed is after high direction, remember? ;)

[Morsul the Dark]

nen echui

my reason: Im pretty sure this is the only answer in the entire "languages of middle earth" dictionary I havent said...I dont want to use the encyclopedia of arda...but i guess I have to.... :(

[NightKnight]

Tarn Aeluin.

Ae - Ea (Universe reversed)
Luin - Blue
after
Tar - Not sure about that
N - North (direction)

[Morsul the Dark]

Please say night is wrong(not that I have anything against you ninght, just Ive been guessing and guessing and guessing...you know what) Tell him hes right Im annoyed with that clue

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

NK, Tar means high in Eldarin!

But you got it. :) Sorry, Morsul.

[Morsul the Dark]

good job night secondly I now look at that and go "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH" ;)

Ill have my revenge! :D

[NightKnight]

Maybe you will. ;)

I'll post a new one when I get home.

OK, here we go:

Half an archer blinds us.

[Morsul the Dark]

hmmmm

hal an archer...a halfling

makes us blind... destryoys the eye of Sauron

Frodo

[NightKnight]

Nono, you're thinking the wrong way. Look on page 1 of this thread, SPM has made a good guide to Cryptic Clues.

[Morsul the Dark]

I know I was merely hoping you used straight clues

Herumor?

Half an archer=her

and a tumor can make you blind=tumor-t=umor

her+umor= herumor

[NightKnight]

Nope!

[Morsul the Dark]

Anar

the sun blinds us if we stare at it

an archer -cher= anar

[NightKnight]

Score. ;)

[Morsul the Dark]

ok then sorry for the wait here it is

Mr.Myers, Mr.Affleck, and Mr.Atkinson watch the fun clothed man

[Morsul the Dark]

fun clothed man is a straight clue

Mr. Affleck think of his first name

as for the other two think of parts they played

[The Saucepan Man]

Mr Myers -> Wayne -> Iarwain
Mr Affleck -> Ben
Mr Atkinson -> Blackadder -> Adder -> Adar

The whole = Iarwain Ben-Adar, aka Tom Bombadil, a fun clothed man. :D

[The Saucepan Man]

So here's another:

A thousand found in bird heard by inquisitive fellow.

[Morsul the Dark]

well...i wont guess but you were right good job!

[The Saucepan Man]

Thanks Morsul. :)

No takers?

OK, here's a clue. The word "heard" is often used in cryptic clues to denote a "sounds like".

[The Saucepan Man]

I'm waiting ... :rolleyes:

[Fool Of A Took]

Oh my, it really is a hard one! :D