One Thing in Common

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What do Náin, Isumbras III. and Éomund have in common?

Note: I haven't noticed that before, but TM, look up this page. It's really... interesting. A private page, I'd call it. Well, almost. Shards has no avvie, so his two posts are not that easy to spot.

[The Might]

One more question, which Nain is it?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Náin the "not-numbered".

[The Might]

Aha

Maybe that their sons lead their people in important battles
Dain II, son of Nain in the Battle of Dale
Eomer, son of Eomund in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, and later at the Black Gate
Bandobras, son of Isumbras III in the Battle of Greenfields

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Yes, yes, good way, though it is not exactly what I had in mind, could you be somewhat more concrete? There is something yet more concrete.

[The Might]

Ok, another idea
Each of them had a child that killed the leader of the opposing force in battle.
Eowyn, daughter of Eomund, killed (reduced to impotence) the Witch-king
Dain II, son of Nain, killed Azog
Bandobras, son of Isumbras III, killed Golfimbul

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Not exactly. This is very close - though not exactly what I had in mind. The Eomund part is the hardest, probably, but the thing the persons have in common is very, very, very specific. Not just "they killed some leader" but something very concrete.

[The Might]

I've got it...maybe that they killed these leaders with one blow

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Umm, no, no, if you want to hear it, Éowyn is not correct in the answer.

[The Might]

Well, I was going to say their sons became leaders of their people, even though the fathers didn't have this function, but Isumbras III doesn't fit the pattern
Maybe just that their sons became leaders of their people

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No, no, the killing part was also true, but it referred to something else. The Rohirric-family part is the most difficult about it, obviously, but this is ultimately what lead me to forming the question.

[The Might]

Maybe that their sons killed Orc chieftains whose heads were separated from their bodies
I believe Golfmbul's head fell down a rabbit hole, while Azog's and Ugluk's were set on stakes.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Good, good. The killing of Orc leaders was sufficient. Now it's your turn, so I hope you'll present something interesting and brain-racking, so that I have things to do for late nights! :D

[The Might]

Now this one is really an interesting one:
What do Faramir, Sam and Frodo have in common? :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I don't know, being in Henneth Annun? I suppose it's something that really no one else has, right?

[The Might]

No...btw, the correct list is
Faramir, Frodo, Sam and men of the White Mountains

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

And Beregond not? (just checking one thing that popped up in my mind)

[The Might]

no
But please mention that thing; it might be it is what I had in mind, but that I overlooked Beregon (though I doubt it).
That way we could avoid making this a very long thread. :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I thought that it might have had something to do with being given mercy, or a certain privilege, by the King, and hereditable, at best. But I guess that's off track...

[The Might]

No, since others such as Hama had suffered the same fate
This thing is, as far as we know, only reserved to them.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I suppose you mean Faramir as the brother of Boromir and son of Denethor, that one Frodo&Sam met in Henneth Annun, right? Just for confirmation.

EDIT: And, to not make the thread too long - by the "Men of the White Mountains", you mean all Men of the White Mountains, or just the Dead of Dunharrow? (and/or their ascendants?)

[narfforc]

Their mothers are dead.

[The Might]

No, since there are many more whose mothers are dead
As I said, this is only restricted to them as far as I know.

[narfforc]

They weren't at The Black Gates.

[The Might]

Just like Thranduil, Celeborn, Ghan-buri-ghan and many others.
As I said, this thing is, as far as I know, ONLY restricted to them.

[narfforc]

The Staves made of Lebethron.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

The Staves made of Lebethron.
Well, but are you sure the Men of the White Mountains had them as well? :rolleyes:

I thought about several things, had the Men of the White Mountains not been there...

Could it be that they understood Aragorn was King before he was officially made the King? I think not, but I really can't make anything better :p

[narfforc]

'I have no fitting gifts to give you at our parting,' said Faramir; but take these staves. They may be of service to those who walk or climb in the wild. The men of the White Mountains use them...........

I don't know if anyone else uses them but it is a link.

[The Might]

narfforc is correct :)

[The Might]

Okay, ten days are gone...
So does anyone else have a good one?...I don't :D

[The Might]

What do Fram and Thingol have in common?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Being killed by Dwarves because of some issue with a necklace? :D

[The Might]

yes

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What do the Gondorian stewards of Isengard and Galadriel have in common?

[The Might]

Maybe that they ruled over people of a different folk then their own.
Galadriel was one of the Noldor, ruling over Silvan Elves.
The chieftains of Isengard were Gondorians ruling over people with mixed blood, partly Dunlending.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hmm, hmm, sure, but for example Thranduil also did that... try to focus another direction.

[The Might]

Well the chieftains were left in charge after the lords of Gondor left that area, just as Galadriel came to Lothlorien after Amroth disappeared.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

That's not much good answer. The Stewards were appointed by Gondor, and were still the same folk. No, no, I had something different in mind.

Try to think about Rohirrim (in both cases).

[The Might]

Ah...maybe that the Rohirrim lived close to Lorien in earlier times, and later close to the chieftains of Isengard?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ah...maybe that the Rohirrim lived close to Lorien in earlier times, and later close to the chieftains of Isengard?

Hmm, no, not exactly. The Rohirrim hardly lived near Lórien, their home was far too northwards... think something else.

[The Might]

Maybe that they helped the Rohirrim.
The chieftains by keeping watch over the northwest of Rohan and by keeping any evil Dunlanders out (at least for a while) and Galadriel by providing Eorl and his host with a protective cloud of mist so they could pass unseen near Dol Guldur.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, that was quite short-term. And the protection was not much... both Lórien and Isengard cared mainly for themselves. Try to look from another point of view...

[The Might]

Well, I won't give up..yet
I suppose they both had for a certain period the Dunlanders as neighbours...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No, no....

Okay, let's repeat it... Isengarders and Galadriel (personally)... what do they have in common... and think from the point of view of the Rohirrim.

Now THAT was the biggest hint I could ever give...

[The Might]

omg, I can't believe it's been almost 4 months since you first asked this...lol

Anyway...new idea...they suspected them of witchcraft and dark magic

I only now had the idea the answer might not be in LotR, but UT and so it was...I guess.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Yup, that's it, being accused of witchcraft. Take over, please.

[The Might]

What do Treebeard and the Witch-king have in common?

(could well be they have more then just this, but what I'm looking for is quite obscure)

Oh, and a good hint: the answer is to be fund in Tolkien's works :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What about that they spoke with Saruman?

[The Might]

Well, you're almost there.
I was hoping it would take you longer. :eek:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Then that they were both charmed by his voice to leave Saruman alone for the moment.

[The Might]

yes

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, what do Sam Gamgee and Amroth have in common?

[The Might]

Well just read through UT a bit and I must say the only thing I guess they have in common (except simple things) is that they both jumped into water trying to reach the person they loved and cared about. (Amroth trying to swim back to shore knowing otherwise he would not find Nimrodel [ok, he would in Valinor, but the guy is anyway a bit strange] and Sam that wanted to join Frodo on his quest).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

And that's what I had in mind. Nothing complicated, it was about realizing it. Please continue.

[The Might]

Ok, what do Oin and Frodo have in common?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

They were attacked by the Watcher in the Water? (in one case, with tragic result)

[The Might]

:eek:Yes:eek:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Why the face? :)

Okay. What do Aragorn and Éomer have in common? (apart from a few battles they fought together)

[Finduilas]

They both felt sorry for Eowyn:p.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nooo... :p

Besides that, Imrahil did too, at certain time, and Merry as well... and Gríma maybe would if he could.

[The Might]

Well...maybe that they both held Eowyn in the Houses of Healing while she was being cured (Aragorn said something like Eomer should also take her hand since Eowyn's love for her brother is bigger then the love for himself).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

That's true, but not what I had in mind. An advice: forget Éowyn now. Forget all complicated. It's a very, let's say, simple thing.

[Finduilas]

By the end of the books they were both kings...

[Thinlómien]

They both lost their father when they were children?

[The Might]

ok, a question, is this only resticted to them, or there are othes who share this?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

By the end of the books they were both kings...
That's true, but that was Thorin III. Stonehelm and Bard II. son of Brand as well...
They both lost their father when they were children?
...and that's true as well, but then I could include Frodo with the lot of them...
ok, a question, is this only resticted to them, or there are othes who share this?
...so as you see, the answer is restricted to them. Or, to be precise, technically I am quite sure it was not restricted to them, but a) we are not told about it, and b) the concept of the question itself is put in that way that what I am asking just what do these two have in common. It's them who are important here - the emphasis is on this part of the question; and that determines the type of the question.

[Thinlómien]

They were both fostersons of a lord that was kin to them?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No, no... think more... concrete things.

[Black_Widow]

They both led the assault against the southern lands together.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No, no, not such a "plain fact" in that sense... think more... more... more concrete things.

[Black_Widow]

They were both innate leaders. What do you mean by more concrete?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

More... bruta facta. :)

[The Might]

Maybe since they were the first to renew the oath of Cirion and Eorl?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No.
The answer is one word. (Or if you wanted, then two, one being a pronoun.)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay. A final hint.

Q: What do Aragorn and Éomer have in common?

A: Their ............ (insert one word)

Or you can say it differently, but this is also a way and also a large hint.

[The Might]

Bah, another hint.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

*sigh*

It is something physical.

[The Might]

Lol, nobody posted...
Their...eyes?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No :)

[Marky Lazer]

Royal blood?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No. Something really easy. Physical.

[TheGreatElvenWarrior]

their... men

[McCaber]

You have the wrong "their" there, TGEW. What you're looking for is "they're."

(Score one for grammar)

Oh, and my vote goes to their choice of weapons. Swords are clearly the awesome.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Both wrong. Every Rohir and every Gondorian and most probably every Ranger of the North had a sword. This is not such a thing that everyone would have in common with them (though there could have been, and most likely were such people, yet they are not mentioned in the books).

Keep trying!

[TheGreatElvenWarrior]

You have the wrong "their" there, TGEW. What you're looking for is "they're."

(Score one for grammar)

Oh, and my vote goes to their choice of weapons. Swords are clearly the awesome.
Sorry, I sometimes don't spell everything wright or use the correct homonyms! Sorry for sinking your boat!

[McCaber]

Oh, it's ok, TGEW. My boat sunk quite a while ago.

Hmm, I'll need to think about this puzzle, Legate. Give me some time.

[TheGreatElvenWarrior]

Oh, it's ok, TGEW. My boat sunk quite a while ago.

Hmm, I'll need to think about this puzzle, Legate. Give me some time.
Yes, this is quite a hard one!

[Thinlómien]

Their height.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Their height.

*applause!!!*

Indeed, that was what I was looking for. At last! Continue the thread, please. :)

[Thinlómien]

Well that was a very difficult question, if you ask me (not in a bad way though - it was surely challenging :D), because it's always more difficult to see the similarity between two major than two minor characaters (of whom we don't know much).

Now, let's proceed with an easier one...

What do Gwindor and Andróg have in common?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Beleg met them when he was looking for Túrin?

...Easier one? You are evil ;)

[Thinlómien]

1) I'm not evil
2) that's true
3) it is not the answer I was looking for

:D

Surely Beleg met other people as well, when looking for Túrin - like the rest of Túrin's men for example.

Keep guessing.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

1) No, you ARE evil
2) I knew it
3) I knew it!

;)

Alrighty, what about the fact that they both suffered a mortal wound when there was only one mighty hero around who survived? (I know, somewhat complicated but also true.)

[Thinlómien]

No, even though it's related to that fact.

[Gwathagor]

Four things: D, G, N, O, and R. :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well I don't know. Túrin was always captured (or "captured") shortly after they died. Or he changed his name short time after that. Or is it more focused on them personally and not having too much in common with Túrin?

[Thinlómien]

I might be slow today, but I'm afraid I don't get what you're saying, Gwath. :)

Legate - no and no, like you suspected, it has less to do with Túrin (even though part of the answer is related to him).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Something like that they were the most brave in the battle when a place Túrin was hiding in was destroyed? :confused:

[Thinlómien]

No...

Ok, I'll take my words about being evil back, for the combination Legate + confused smiley + Quiz Room made me laugh. :p ;)

Anyway, Legate's second guess remains the one that is closest to what I'm thinking about.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay. Let me see. Andróg saves Beleg before he dies, but Gwindor does not save anyone before he dies, quite the opposite, Túrin carries him out of the battle. Technically, Andróg saves Beleg and Gwindor saves Túrin, but that's kinda strange and does not seem much as "in common" - well, at maximum I could say "they saved a hero". I really can't think of anything else.

[Thinlómien]

Now, first off, I managed to misread the part of the story from CoH that is about the answer (or part of it) so the answer I had in mind is not actually true. :o :D

This might make everything confusing, but I can and I will alter the answer, but then it needs stretching a little. If I do it, it actually means that Legate is very very close to the answer with his latest guess.

Yes, Andróg saves Beleg and we could say that Gwindor saves Túrin. That is the part of the answer you got absolutely right. However, that itself doesn't form a connection between the two. And "they both saved a hero", as true as it is, is not original enough. (After all, there are loads of people saving heroes in Tolkien's works.) :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Is it, like, some details? Like, that they both saved a hero who was in bonds, cut off his bonds or something like that? Or something else, like, some events that occured at that time? I don't know what you are looking for (once again, :confused: )

[Thinlómien]

Is it, like, some details? Like, that they both saved a hero who was in bonds, cut off his bonds or something like that? Or something else, like, some events that occured at that time? I'd rather make this easy than difficult and complicated, so I can tell you it has something to do with their relationship with the one they saved.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, they saved someone whom they have seen as an "enemy". But in Andróg's case, Beleg was his "enemy" earlier, while Gwindor was Túrin's "enemy" later.

EDIT: or maybe "jealous" is the word?

[Thinlómien]

I accept that answer. I was thinking that they saved someone who was their rival for someone's love/ attentions/ regard, but that is very close to your answer as there certainly is the jealousy-aspect.

The thing that I originally had in mind was that their rival tried to save them right before they died, but then, a while ago, I discovered this was not true in Andróg's case (unless you're stretching a lot). So I changed it to that what you said, although it makes the timeline-thing a little illogical. I'm not content with myself :rolleyes::D.

Anyway, like I said, that is the correct answer, so Legate, please take the thread. :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

That happens ;)

Okay, now what the heck am I supposed to post as a question?

What about this, in hope not to be too vague:

What do Boromir and the Nazgul have in common?

And to avoid confusion, I could add that right now I cannot think of anyone else who would have that thing common with them (and I really hope I am not mistaken so that I'm not confusing you, but I'd say you can take for granted now that it's right. If it's wrong it will show sooner or later :D ).

[Gwathagor]

I might be slow today, but I'm afraid I don't get what you're saying, Gwath. :)

I reread my post, and it really didn't make any sense. At all.

Regarding Boromir and the Nazgul: both tried UNSUCCESSFULLY to take the Ring from Frodo.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

That's a good one, but not the thing I had in mind. One could say, technically, that they did not want to take the Ring, but Frodo as a whole (Ring included). Anyway, I want to say that I wanted another answer. Keep trying. :)

[Thinlómien]

They lost their horses while crossing a river?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Very good! That's what I was looking for. Lommy, you may continue the thread.

[Thinlómien]

What do Faramir and Sam have in common?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hm, the first thing I thought about is that they are the "second in rank" after a hero, you know what I mean? Boromir -> Faramir, Frodo -> Sam. Though it hardly is what you have in mind. Maybe the fact that they both did not like that Gollum accompanied Frodo?

[Thinlómien]

Hm, the first thing I thought about is that they are the "second in rank" after a hero, you know what I mean? Boromir -> Faramir, Frodo -> Sam. Though it hardly is what you have in mind. Maybe the fact that they both did not like that Gollum accompanied Frodo?Yes, I do understand what you mean by that first one, but as you guessed, it's not the answer (and after all, they're not the only ones sharing this "trait"). As for the second guess, yes, that's very true, but the answer I'm looking for is less obvious (and if possible, even more simple). :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Simple? Surely not that they resisted the Ring, for they were not the only ones (Galadriel). Well, they had in common the high esteem of Elves. That was someting they really had in common, meaning, something they could agree on. But just technically speaking, that was a thing other people had as well...

[Thinlómien]

Simple? Surely not that they resisted the Ring, for they were not the only ones (Galadriel). Well, they had in common the high esteem of Elves. That was someting they really had in common, meaning, something they could agree on. But just technically speaking, that was a thing other people had as well...Good guesses - but like you said, those fact are not restricted to those two. :)

Keep guessing.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh yes, I probably found it - right after I hit the submit button of my last answer, I felt as if I were struck by a lightning, and I only had to check what I thought of - they married the same year, is that what you had in mind?

[Thinlómien]

Oh yes, I probably found it - right after I hit the submit button of my last answer, I felt as if I were struck by a lightning, and I only had to check what I thought of - they married the same year, is that what you had in mind?
Yes, that is very true, but one could say that also Rosie and Éowyn and many anonymous yet mentioned hobbits married in 1420 S.R. as well. But hey, that was actually a very good one that didn't even cross my mind. :) And you're in a way very close to the correct answer with that guess.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Typical syndrom of the Quiz Room - finding more answers than you thought of when you posted the question :)

Close, you say? Hmm...


Aha, born the same year :) Not as romantic as I thought, but anyways :)

[Thinlómien]

Yes, but anyways the correct answer. Take the thread, please. :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, so what about something trickier for a change. Brodda and Finduilas of Dol Amroth. :cool:

[Nerwen]

They each married a foreigner?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Surely they were not the only ones. But you are on the right track.

[Nerwen]

Er... they were each distantly related to someone named Morwen?

(Okay, that's a bit weak.)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

That is indeed. Nope. You were aiming the right direction before.

[Nerwen]

Oh, I get it.

Their spouses both ended up setting fire to everything?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

That's it :D

You may take the thread.

[Nerwen]

First, a question about the rules: is it always two people?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Any number you choose, obviously (well, maybe only asking about one person would be somewhat odd ;) ); the very first post of the thread is about five people. I must say I thought till this time that it has to be always about just two people, hm, in fact, I did not even think about it. Might have been easier to think of some questions...

[Nerwen]

Okay. Second question. Do they have to be the only people with this thing in common?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, they should. On the other hand... if you ask a thing, like, that they had blue eyes, maybe it will do... I think you should specify it, at least, that it may be a thing they may have in common with even someone else, so that someone does not dismiss it... asking what do Bilbo and Sauron have in common, people would generally assume you mean something else than that they wore the One Ring, unless you included also Gollum, Isildur, Frodo and Sam etc.

[Nerwen]

Fair enough. I just wasn't sure how this one worked.

Well, this is the first thing I can think of:

Maedhros,

Celegorm,

Freca.


(And they'd have this in common with other people.)

[Dimturiel]

Each tried to take something that wasn't theirs to have.
Maedhros tried to take the Silmarils, Celegorm wanted Luthien and Freca wanted Helm's daughter for his son. Each were thwarted in their attempts.

[Nerwen]

While that's a perfectly good answer, it's not the one I had in mind.

[The Might]

Perhaps that they all insulted certain kings?

[Nerwen]

Sorry, no.

[Thinlómien]

Could you give us a little hint? :)

[Nerwen]

It's something physical.

[The Might]

Aha, maybe the unlikely hair colour.
Freca had dark hair, although the Rohirrim had blonde hair.
And Maedhros and Celegorm, who should have had dark hair also had a different colour.
Maedhors auburn from his grandfather Mahtan and Celegorm had blonde hair.

[Nerwen]

You have it, Might.

Well done.:)

[Nerwen]

Might?

[Nerwen]

Morgoth

Bilbo

Frodo

Beren



(Again, they weren't the only ones...)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

They managed to touch the object named in the title of the books they were in? :D

[Nerwen]

That's rather a good one... but no.

Try again.

[Siiw]

They all visited a place where they technically shouldn't have been?

[Nerwen]

Sorry, still not the right answer.

It's not something they did, but rather something that happened to them.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

This one is rather week, but. . . . you never know.

They all got injured in battle/fighting

[Nerwen]

When I said they had this in common with other people, I didn't mean that many other people.:D

Try again.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I don't recall Bilbo losing a body part, otherwise I would have answered that.

Were they all attacked by giant spiders?

[Nerwen]

Indeed they were.

Please take the thread, Nilp.:)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Thanks. :)

Now then:

Beren

Hûrin

Gwindor

[Nerwen]

They were all captured by the enemy?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

. . . and then . . .?

[Nerwen]

Tortured?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

. . . and then . . .?

[Lalaith]

They all escaped from capture by Morgoth.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Actually I was thinking of them entering Angband and leaving alive (Beren wasn't captured by Morgoth.)

Well, your turn, Lal. :)

[Lalaith]

Sorry, this is so late.

Eldarion
Gil-galad
Maeglin
Celebrimbor

[Gollum the Great]

They all had enchanted items (weapons, rings, etc.).

[Lalaith]

No, that's not it.
As far as I can discover, there would be no others on this list. If that helps.

[Gollum the Great]

Well, you've just made it harder. A clue?

[Lalaith]

Think about family trees.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

They are all from the House of Finwe?

[Azaghâl]

[...]
As far as I can discover, there would be no others on this list. If that helps.It would help if you could be absolutely positive about that. :)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

No, that's not it.
As far as I can discover, there would be no others on this list. If that helps.
Oh I overlooked this. . .then I am definitly wrong.

[Lalaith]

Actually Rune is on the right track.

[Lalaith]

I mean totally on the right track. Come on Rune!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am confused. . .

It seems that they all represent the end of a family line (if one can put it like that) within the house of Finwe.

Celebrimbor being the last of Feanor's line dying without heirs, just like Gil-galad and Maeglin.

Eldarion is the last decendant we know of. (thus being the last of Finarfin and Fingolfins line)
------------------------------------

That seems to make no sense, but if I was to draw a family tree you would know what I mean.

Anyways I am really confused and cannot see the forest for the trees.

[Azaghâl]

And they have to be male, or we would miss Finduilas. :confused:

[Lalaith]

Don't be confused, Rune, you are spot on. So are you, Azaghal.

They are the last known male descendants of the House of Finwe, down each branch of the tree.
I did think about Finduilas - also the daughters of Aragorn and Arwen; but as I wasn't sure F was entirely canonical, and the daughters didn't have names, I just stuck to the chaps.

[Azaghâl]

It's been a while so I thought I'd take it.

Bilbo
Frodo
Tom Bombadil
Samwise

[Gwathagor]

All held the Ring at some point?

[Azaghâl]

You're on the right track. I can hardly say more without giving it away.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

They all used the ring?

[Lindale]

They all used the ring?

"wore" would be a better term. bombadil didn't actually use it, the way the Ring is meant to be used--to turn invisible.

[Azaghâl]

Many people besides the four I listed did hold, use or wear the Ring. There is something quite unique concerning these four people and the Ring (though a fifth person might arguably be added to the list).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What about the fact that they willingly gave the ring to somebody else when they had it?

[Eönwë]

The ring didn't completely take them over?

[Azaghâl]

As it happens, Legate is right. Your turn now. :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ah, I hoped that won't happen :) I won't be around the next week to see the results. But I think I might post it anyway and just hope that my question will be once again one of those hard enough to guess :) Let's see if I'll succeed.

What do those have in common:

Old Took
Bungo Baggins
Drogo Baggins
Gaffer Gamgee
Glóin

You may just keep guessing, and then we shall see.

[Eönwë]

They are all ancestors of people in the fellowship?

[Groin Redbeard]

I think that Eonwe has got this one, but I'll just go ahead and guess anyway. Could it be that they are all short?

[TheGreatElvenWarrior]

Bungo Baggins? Bilbo wasn't part of the Fellowship... who was he related to?

[Eönwë]

Bungo Baggins? Bilbo wasn't part of the Fellowship... who was he related to?

Good point.

Could it be that they are all related to people in the fellowship?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nope, neither of the answers presented here is correct (as for them being short, they were, but then, there were many others who were. All Dwarves and Hobbits, in particular).

Seems it's working this far :cool:

If you choose to, I may give you a minor hint to point you in a certain direction.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

All of them had at least one child and I non of them died in battle. . .

really I have no idea, maybe you should give that hint

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

In some way, you are aiming the right direction, Rune. Anyway, I will tell you that it's a thing which is specific only for them, but not of all the people, beings, whatever in M-E, but from Dwarves and Hobbits. So, that is the beginning of the answer. What do these have in common: "Of all the Dwarves and Hobbits..." There's an important hint in this fact, if you think of it.

[Azaghâl]

Well, of all the Dwarves and Hobbits, those five are the only (known) ones who had a son who went to sea.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Good, good! That was exactly it. Okay, your thread now :) Well done!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

To think that I spend hours reading to figure out the answe for that quiz and never got it. . .:mad:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

To think that I spend hours reading to figure out the answe for that quiz and never got it.

Ah, but you know, that sometimes happens even to the best of us :)

...while that doesn't say anything about you, of course, but... ;) :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

*bump* Azaghâl? Are you around?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

*bump* Azaghâl? Are you around?
I also thought about "bumping" this thread earlier, but decided that I should stick to only a few threads.

[The Might]

Bumping doesn't do the trick, you just need a fresh start:

So what do strawberries, Hobbits and the Eotheod have in common?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Since I couldn't think of any good answer in the last two days, I will post the first thing that occured to me when I saw this, but it is far from an actual answer.

The only thing I thought of is that they have something to do with straw, like straw-berries, or for the Eotheod, being called straw-heads. No idea what could it be with the hobbits, though.

I also thought it may have something to do with the year 1420 SR.

Any close, Miggy? Or, any hints?

[The Might]

Well interesting ideas, but as you would say in my place, it actually is something simple. But I'm sure you'll figure it out.

So as a hint, it has nothing to do with etymology or anything.

I really cannot think of any other hints which would help, but would not spoil it as well.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, I have a question about the strawberries. Does this have to do with strawberries in general, or with some quality or aspect of them that is seen in Tolkien's works?

(Goodness, that does sound silly, phrased like that. :D I was just wondering.)

But I'm rather clueless. The only thing that pops into my mind that they were all misused or misrepresented in the movies, but they have that in common with just about everything else. :rolleyes:;)

[The Might]

Umm, well, it is smething particular to Tolkien's world, yes.

[skip spence]

They're good with whipped cream?

[The Might]

:D That answer almost deserves a free win... almost. No, as you probably expected. No, it really isn't any nonsense, it really is a fact. Still funny answer though! :D

[Gollum the Great]

Okay, this might be be a bit far-fetched, but strawberries I know have their seeds on the outside. This might be aligned with the Dunlendings name for the Rohirrim: "strawheads", and perhaps Might is thinking that hobbits are prickly or have curly hair or something. Bizarre I know, but perhaps I'm right.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

But I'm rather clueless. The only thing that pops into my mind that they were all misused or misrepresented in the movies, but they have that in common with just about everything else. :rolleyes:;)

My goodness, Miggy, I hope it has nothing to do with the movies! In that case, I'd boycott the answer ;)

[The Might]

No, nothing as complicated that. And not from the movies.

A tip: It's Eotheod, not Rohirrim.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

They all originated in the Anduin Vales :rolleyes: Though I have never read the "M-E book of the origin of plants".

The other things that occured to me were that they are favoured to be eaten by Gollum (but that would not concern the Éotheod, and who knows if Gollum ate strawberries), or eaten by Gríma (but again, you say that it's Éotheod, not Rohirrim, and I am not aware of that he'd eat Rohirs anyway, and who knows if he liked strawberries, too).

Besides that, I have no idea :)

[The Might]

Yes, you're right with the Anduin Vales! :D

It was simple as that.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ah :D Okay... :rolleyes:

In that case, hmm...

What do Legolas and Saruman have in common?

(It is the thing which, based only on the evidence of the books, only the two of them have in common, as far as I know.)

[The Might]

Wow, that's a hard one since I can't imagine where to start looking.
Apparently they had little to do with each other, but surely there is something if you say so.

The problem is a lot is said in the books about them and if they are the only ones to have it in common then it must be some minor detail hard to find.

Ummm... maybe the fact they both heard that Hasufel and Arod had met Shadowfax that night near Fangorn Forest?

I know it's a strange answer, but nothing else comes to mind right now.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No, that is not what I am looking for.

I understand that it is a hard one, and I am actually trying to think of how to give a hint which way to look without giving away too much.

Hmm... I think I may as well leave it for a while, that with chance, you may think of it on your own. And if after let's say a day or two people still seem at loss, I may give a bit of a direction.

[Thinlómien]

Okay I'm still thinking about Legolas and Saruman, but I have a question about the previous riddle. Just, out of mere curiousity, where does it say that strawberries are from the Anduin Vales? :) I thought about an explanation like that too but rejected it because I didn't remember anything like that about strawberries...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Just, out of mere curiousity, where does it say that strawberries are from the Anduin Vales? :) I thought about an explanation like that too but rejected it because I didn't remember anything like that about strawberries...

I actually wondered about it yesterday too, but then I concluded that Miggy probably meant just the fact that they were growing in the Anduin Vales: Bilbo ate some after he got out of the Goblin tunnels and was hungry.

[The Might]

Indeed, it only meant they existed there, not that they were from the Anduin Vales as nor were the Eotheod nor the Hobbits for that matter.

[Beregond]

Can we have a hint, please? This question kept me up last night and I still couldn't find a relationship between Legolas and Saruman. I think it might be something they said? :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Can we have a hint, please? This question kept me up last night and I still couldn't find a relationship between Legolas and Saruman. I think it might be something they said? :)

Oh, Yes, indeed, since you ask, it was expressed by something they said. It was a kind of... common view of things :) Like for example if they had met somewhere (if they happened to sit together in an inn, or in a train or something ;) ) and started to talk, they could discover that they have this thing in common.

[Beregond]

Clearly this is a two-hint question. :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, you see, this is something they would both agree on, some kind of opinion they had in common, and they both expressed it in their words at some point. Each of them at least once. But they both did not necessarily express it just by words - only I think the words are most apparent.

Hmm, I had some better hint in mind last time when you asked, but unfortunately, I forgot it, apparently :D But if you ask for more hints, hopefully I can come up with something better. This is just for now.

[Inziladun]

Would it be something along the lines of both believing the time of the Elves to be over, and the time of Men beginning?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nay. I am sure there were more people who thought that - many Elves, like Galadriel, for example.

The thing in concern was expressed by Legolas in a far "milder" way than Saruman did. Nevertheless, it is obvious that their opinion on this thing is shared.

They would disagree on this with almost all the other characters in the Fellowship.

[Pitchwife]

They both disapproved of / were annoyed with other people smoking the weed of the halflings.
I don't have the books with me to give you exact quotes, but the situations were these:
- Legolas with his companions in the ruins of Isengard (Flotsam and Jetsam)
- Saruman with Gandalf at the White Council, before he took up the habit himself (somewhere in Unfinished Tales).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Now, that's what I call a 'Downs entrée! It is exactly like that, indeed. Well done, and let me welcome you by the means of this on the Downs, Pitchwife! And you can post a new question here rightaway. :)

[The Might]

Wow, good job there!

[Pitchwife]

Thanks for the warm welcome!
Now let me see... off the top of my head, here goes:

Tuor
Maglor
Thorin Oakenshield
Galadriel

[Thinlómien]

They all played the harp?

[The Might]

Hmm, the only thing I see connecting the dwarf to the other characters is Orcrist.

So, maybe they all had something made in Gondolin.

Thorin with Orcrist.
Galadriel with the Elessar.
Tuor had... Idril? Or something else, he did live there after all.
And Maglor...bah, no idea at all there. :(

EDIT: somehow I feel Lommy is correct.

[Pitchwife]

They all played the harp?

Exactly!

[Thinlómien]

Alright, then. :D

What do

Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin

have in common with

Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli?

[Pitchwife]

Both groups lost their horses/ponies at some point of the story? (FSMP at Bree, ALG on the outskirts of Fangorn Forest after their encounter with Saruman/Gandalf/Saruman's spectre/Gandalf's spectre/whoever it may have been...)

[Beregond]

Pitchwife's connection is excellent, but I'll have a go.

Perhaps I would be right in saying that the third-person narrative only follows the four hobbits and the three hunters? It does not follow Gandalf or Boromir when they are alone. I do not remember if Gimli, Legolas, and Aragorn are ever followed separately; maybe this is why you grouped them together.

(but the narrative also follows Fatty Bolger, and maybe more)

[Thinlómien]

Pitchwife is on the right track, but I'd like him to give a more precise answer. ;)

[The Might]

Maybe that someone else deliberately got rid of the rides?

So this spectre/Saruman/whatever scaring the horses off into the plains of Rohan and someone else letting the ponies ride away in search of Lumpkin.

[Beregond]

I have a feeling it's more like:

Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin had their ponies scared off, but they were found by another horse: Fatty Lumpkin.

Aragorn, Legolas (and Gimli) had their horses, Arod and Hasufel, scared off, only to be found by another horse: Shadowfax.

So both groups had horses fall into the care of another..."uber-caretaker-equine" if you will.

[Thinlómien]

Yes, Beregond, that's what I was thinking of. :) Please take the thread (unless you wish to be very gallant and give it to Pitchwife ;)).

[Beregond]

I actually do want to be very gallant and give it to him, because there's no way I would have connected the missing horses as the one thing in common! Like Morgoth, I merely "refined" what was there. :p

But I don't want to delay the thread. Pitchwife, if you see this, go ahead andask a new question! Otherwise, if a day has passed, I'll try to think one up myself.

[Thinlómien]

Seems like a good solution. :)

[Pitchwife]

Thanks for the offer, Beregond, but I don't have a question ready at the moment and won't be able to post for a couple of days anyway. Go ahead!

[Beregond]

This is hard! :eek:

Okay - what do Glorfindel and Pippin have in common?

[Ilya]

They both have fair hair?

[Beregond]

Thanks for guessing, but, no! :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

They are both saving somebody who is just fainting from being almost killed by Nazgul? :)

[Beregond]

That's a good connection, but not what I'm looking for. :)

[The Might]

Maybe fighting to save someone they cared for?
Glorfindel with the Balrog like Pippin with the troll?

[Beregond]

I don't think that would be unique to them...

You're not warm. ;)

[Pitchwife]

Both of them left a jewel behind as a sign for somebody following: Glorfindel's beryl on the bridge of Mitheithel for Frodo and Aragorn, Pippin's Lorien brooch in the grass of Rohan for the Three Hunters. (Note that Aragorn was involved in both cases!)

[Beregond]

Aha, very cunning, and 100% correct! :D

[Pitchwife]

:D
That was a nice one.

OK - while we're talking about Glorfindel, what does he have in common with Fingolfin?

[Pitchwife]

I'd hate to kill this thread, so here's a hint: It happened to both of them after their death. (And yes, that means I'm talking about Glorfindel of Gondolin, whether he was the same person as Glorfindel of Rivendell or not.)

[Nerwen]

Their bodies were salvaged by Thorondor.

[Eönwë]

The Ban was lifted?

[Pitchwife]

Nerwen, you've got it - Thorondor the Winged Undertaker is the answer.
Your thread!

[Nerwen]

I have returned from delving into the prehistory of the Downs. All these ancient, forgotten names... what has become of those who bore them once? Do they lurk here still? Or have they moved onwards, seeking greener forums?

*blinks*

...Er, I mean, I've been going through this thread, looking for something that hasn't been done already. Quite hard.

Well, then. What do

Arwen

and

Celebrimbor

have in common?

[Thinlómien]

They both gave something valuable to Galadriel's keeping?

[Nerwen]

Sorry, no. (But yes, Unfinished Tales is relevant).