Odd PLACE Out

[The Saucepan Man]

This thread is closed due to its length. Symestreem, please open a new topic to continue with the next question.

Thanks. smilies/smile.gif

[symestreem]

Here we go, ladies and gentlemen:

The House of Stewards
Osgiliath
Bag End
Meduseld
Thingol's treasury

I have gotten sick of people not reading the thread and therefore not including Thingol's treasury, so I am adding it myself.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 1:54 PM January 11, 2004: Message edited by: symestreem ]

[Heni]

House of the Stewards: the only tomb?

too easy I guess..

[symestreem]

That's not it, but that's not a bad guess.

[Heni]

Osgiliath- The only place taken over by orcs

[symestreem]

No.

[Heni]

Ok then smilies/tongue.gif

I give up...this is not only a quiz for me

[Lindolirian]

Osgiliath is the only one not built on a hill.

[symestreem]

True. But no.

[Lindolirian]

The House of the Stewards is the only one without a river running in close proximity to it. The Water snakes right by Bag End on the Hill, the Snowbourne flows past the gates of Edoras, and Osgiliath is divided by the Anduin. The House of the Stewards is deep in Minas Tirith backed against Mindolluin.

And if that's not it, then I think after four good answers have been given, and they just don't seem to be the thing you're thinking of, it's about time for a wee directional hint, if you think you could manage. smilies/wink.gif

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 5:33 PM January 11, 2004: Message edited by: Lindolirian ]

[symestreem]

Not the rivers.

HINT: The location doesn't matter. The common thread is something that happened there. Go to the books and read about each place. You will need to go to the Appendices for one of these.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 7:18 PM January 11, 2004: Message edited by: symestreem ]

[Gil-Galad]

Meduseld was only place retooken to live in
(osgiliath was used as a barricade)

[symestreem]

Nope, that's not it. Specifically, it has to do with something people did there.

[Finwe]

Bag End, because at all the other places, the King (at one time or the other) and the royal family were driven out.

[symestreem]

Nope. When was the King/royal family driven out of the house of Stewards specifically? Last hint: Thingol's treasury would also meet the criteria.

[Finwe]

Ah, right, you have a point there.


Bag End, because no one brought or looked into a palantir there.

House of Stewards -- Denethor
Meduseld -- Pippin (it's stretching it)
Osgiliath -- a palantir used to be there

[symestreem]

No palantirs in Thingol's treasury.

[Arvedui III]

Ack, this is hard.

Maybe The House of Stewards because it was never visited by dwarves? (Although that may apply to Osgiliath as well, dunno)

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Was Osgiliath visited by Hobbits at all?

[symestreem]

We can't know that for sure. Pippin and Merry were said to have visited Gondor a couple of times, so perhaps they went to Osgiliath. So no, that's not the answer.
Arvedui, your answer is a good guess... but no.

[NightKnight]

There was some kind of kinslaying in all except Bag End?

[symestreem]

You are on the right track, NightKnight. It does have to do with slaying, but not kinslaying specifically. Denethor didn't actually kill Faramir, either, so House of Stewards would also be "odd one out" in that case.

[NightKnight]

Someone killed someone of their own race in all of them, except Bag End.

[symestreem]

It doesn't have to do with race. Go back and read the accounts of the events at those places.

[Mad Baggins]

Wars were fought near all of them except for Meduseld?

[symestreem]

A war was fought near Meduseld as well, when Helm Hammerhand was driven out of Edoras. HINT: This event has something to do with the answer.

[NightKnight]

I can feel I'm near, but I can't put my finger on it.
But is it something about the king being killed?
"King" Wulf was killed in Meduseld.
"King" Castamir was killed in Osgiliath.
House of the Stewards is the one that really puzzles me. No idea there...
Nothing in Bad End.
And as for Thingol's treasury, Thingol was killed there...wasn't he?

I think I'm confusing myself more and more as I try to come up with something. :P

[Arvedui III]

Herm...Treasure and slaying. Treasure-slaying.

No one was killed over wealth or gold or some kind of riches in the house of stewards?

[symestreem]

It's neither the treasure nor the royalty. Keep guessing!

[Evisse the Blue]

Bag-End: Bilbo didn't want to let go of the Ring
Meduseld: Helm Hammerhand did not want to give his daughter to Freca's son
House of Stewards: Denethor did not want to relinquish power
Hence, Osgiliath would be the OPO?
(oh, and Thingol did not want to give the necklace to the dwarves).

[symestreem]

Actually, Denethor chose to relinquish power when he committed suicide. So that's not it. It has to do with killing.

[Mad Baggins]

Meduseld was the only place where someone was not killed in it or "on its doorstep", so to speak:

House of Stewards: Denethor burned to death
Bag End: Saruman and Grima were both killed right outside the door
Osgiliath: A battle went on there, so people were obviously killed

[symestreem]

Oooo... close... But Meduseld is not the odd place out. Be more specific in your criteria, and reread the events you refer to. Read the Appendices.

[The Perky Ent]

Um...well...how about....The House of Stewards, because it is the only place where kin slaying happened? In hobbiton, hobbits weren't killing hobbits (or were they) and in all the other places normal killing was going on...not abnormal kiling. Yes, i know how stupid what i just said is...but it's my guess

[symestreem]

There was no kinslaying in the House of Stewards. You guys are getting colder, it's not the type of killing that matters!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Only Men died before the gates/doors/entrances of all these places, except in Osgiliath, where, along with Men, Orcs, Trolls, and Oliphaunts died before it.

Probably even those weird smoking hobbitses joined the fray... :smokin:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

symestreem? *poke*

[symestreem]

Hold your horses, Nilpaurion, I'm here! You are very, very close! However, I suggest you go back and read the whole thread again to find the hint about Thingol's treasury. You are on the right track, but you're making it overly complicated and... shall we say narrow?

P.S. Saruman wasn't a man.

[Nirvana II]

osgiiliath...built before the others?

[symestreem]

Nope. I suggest you go back and read the thread to see the other answers. Also, Thingol's treasury was built before Osgiliath.

[Nirvana II]

The house of Stewards....uh....no one died of old age.....i think


Nirvana II:smokin:

[symestreem]

I don't believe anyone died of old age in Thingol's treasury, either. That's not it. *feels like a broken record* I suggest you go back and read the whole thread...

[Gilwen]

This has nothing to do with treasure or killing, but Bag End was the only one not built by men

[Nirvana II]

Bag End....only one where a wizard was killed....i think

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

P.S. Saruman wasn't a man.
Like Telchar(where is he, anyway) said,

I will at least claim to the day of my death that IT WAS A TYPO!!!!!! :D
What typo? You bloody fool! No way that was a typo!

Well, at least I tried...

Anywhen...

The House of Stewards - only Denethor died there, and it happened on a single day.
Thingol's treasury only Thingol died there, and it happened on a single day.
Bag End - only Saruman and Wormtongue died there, and it happened on a single day.
Meduseld - only Haleth died there, and it happened on a single day.

<b style="color:#ff0000">OPO - Osgiliath.</b>

[symestreem]

Thingol was not the only one to die at his treasury. Haleth was not the only one to die of Meduseld, he was merely the last and he fell...
It's not the wizards- only two of them actually died, and you are looking for the location that does not share something the others do. It's not being built by men- Thingol's treasury was not built by men.

Nilpaurion, if you do not stop poking me, you stand in danger of losing the appendage that is doing the poking. Have a nice day.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

No, no appendage. It's a bayonet. :)

I think I got it.

The House of the Stewards - Denethor died there, and rule of Gondor passed to Faramir.
Thingol's treasury - Thingol was killed, and the Nauglamir passed to the Dwarves.
Meduseld - Wulf died there, and rule of Rohan passed to Fréalaf.
Osgiliath - Castamir died there, and rule of Gondor passed to Eldacar.

<span style="color:#ff0000">OPO - Bag End</span>

[symestreem]

No, you do not yet have the correct answer. Go back and read the whole thread. You're getting colder now.

*summons the Killer Rabbit. It eyes Nilpaurion hungrily.*

[Arvedui III]

Gah! Herm...Bag End is the only place where a man never slew anyone.

The Killer Rabbit? *gulps* RUN AWAY!!!!!

[symestreem]

Sorry, Arvedui. However, the general killing theme is correct. I suggest you go back and read the whole thread...

For all who are not Nilpaurion: Do not worry about the Killer Rabbit. It is only here to defend my poor, maligned, poked, *sob* and abused self from the evil Nilpaurion. It shall not harm you.

[Arvedui III]

Herm...Saruman was killed over the control of the Shire, Halleth was slain over the control of Rohan, and Castamir (I think) was slain over the control of Gondor.

So, the house of stewards was the only place where someone wasn't slain over the control of said place.

It shall not harm you.
Oh, that's good to know. But I'm still keeping my holy hand-grenade close, just in case.

[symestreem]

It does not have to do with control. It does not have to do with why people died.

[The Saucepan Man]

Is it the House of Stewards, because no one was actually slain there? Or because it was the only place where someone took their own life, rather than being slain? Denethor killed himself, but failed to bring about his son's death.

Osgiliath - Many were slain in the battles fought there.
Bag End - Saruman and Wormtongue were slain on its doorstep.
Meduseld - Helm's son, Haleth, was slain defending the hall.
Thingol's treasury - Thingol himself died there.

If that's not it, and given that this question has already taken up nearly 2 pages, I would suggest that a BIG hint is in order.
:rolleyes:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A really big hint, yeah.

And, Sauce, I think you should ban anything with the adjective "killer" on it. *coughcoughkillerrabbitcoughcough* :p

It is only here to defend my poor, maligned, poked, *sob* and abused self from the evil Nilpaurion. It shall not harm you.
I AM EVIL? I've been poked, too! (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3944&perpage=40&pagenumber=1)

[symestreem]

I don't know as I can give a huge hint without totally giving it away, but I will try my best. I will also compile all the hints that I've given so far.

House of Stewards
Bag End
Osgiliath
House of Stewards
Thingol's treasury

It has to do with people being killed. It does not have to do with who died there. It does not have to do with royalty, money, the location of the building/city, or a reluctance to give up something. It does not have to do with who did the killing. It does not have to do with what the weapon of death was. It does have to do with where the deaths occurred. It does not have to do with when the deaths occurred. It does not have to do with why these people were slain (yes, they were all slain. That means Denethor is not involved here.) You will need to go back to the Appendices, the Silmarillion, and Return of the King to find these particular events. Nilpaurion has come the closest so far.
Other than the above (HINT: reporters should have an easy time of it), the best hint I can give you is to go back and read the whole thread. Also, think about what one place is that the other four aren't. When you figure this out, think about what that one place must lack as a result of this that the others have.
An event did not take place at the OPO that occurred at all the others.

I AM EVIL? I've been poked, too! (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3942)
Nilpaurion, if you've been poked and turn around and poke someone else, that's like withholding chocolate from someone if you've been deprived yourself!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I'm not poking you, symestreem; I'm poking the killer rabbit.

Nilpaurion, if you've been poked and turn around and poke someone else, that's like withholding chocolate from someone if you've been deprived yourself!
No. It's more like you've realised chocolate tastes nice, and you want others to taste it. ;) :rolleyes:

[symestreem]

Actually, Nilpaurion, I was referring more to your line of reasoning as being very close rather than the OPO.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

House of Stewards - Before Denethor, none had died in this place before.
Bag End - Before Saruman and Gríma, none had died in this place before.
Meduseld - Before Haleth, none had died in this place before.
Thingol's treasury - Before Thingol, none had died in this place before.

[symestreem]

That's not it. Bilbo's father and mother probably died at Bag End; at least a couple of kings probably died at Meduseld, and likely Theoden's queen as well.

HINT: The event at Thingol's treasury does not involve Thingol. The event at the House of Stewards does not involve Denethor or Faramir.

[NightKnight]

Probably something with Mablung in Thingol's treasury then. He was killed outside the door, guarding the Silmaril.
Wasn't Wulf killed outside the doors of Meduseld as well?
Beregond killed the man with the keys outside of the House of Stewards.
And now we've come to the hard one... Bag End or Osgiliath? I'm gonna say Osgiliath is the OPO, since Wormtongue and Saruman were killed just outside Bag End. I suppose people were killed outside Osgiliath as well, but no such kills are recorded. Am I close?

[symestreem]

I'm going to give it to you, because you're so close that if I didn't accept it I'd be nitpicking.

Mablung fell before the doors of Thingol's treasury.
Haleth fell before the doors of Meduseld.
Denethor's servants (not the porter) fell before the door of the House of Stewards.
Saruman and Wormtongue fell before the door of Bag End.

No one fell before the "door" of Osgiliath because Osgiliath, being a city and not a room or building, would have gates not doors. (It's not even walled, is it?)

*pats thread fondly and walks away* The thread is yours, NightKnight.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Foiled again! :mad:

[NightKnight]

Then get this one, Nil. :)

Formenos
Angband
Gondolin
Nargothrond
Tol-in-Gaurhoth

[The Perky Ent]

Hmm....would it be Angbad?

Formenos - Morgoth invaded and took the simarils
Gondolin - Morgoth's servants discovered and invaded
Nargothrond - Morgoth sent Glaurung to invade the stronghold
Tol-in-Gaurhoth - Sauron invaded and captured the Isle

Therefore, Angbad is the OPO because it was the only place that wasn't invaded by forces of evil!

[NightKnight]

That's wrong.

[The Perky Ent]

NK, Am i wrong in the sense that my info is wrong, or wrong, but my info is right?

[NightKnight]

Your info is right, but your answer is not.

[symestreem]

They were all attacked by an opposing force, but Tol-in-Gaurhoth was the only one occupied. Or, Formenos was the only one not destroyed or injured in some way.

[NightKnight]

Wrong.....

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Angband - was occupied by Morgoth.
Gondolin - was occupied by Morgoth's forces
Nargothrond - was occupied by Glaurung, Morgoth's "pet"
Tol-in-Gaurhoth - was occupied by Sauron, Morgoth's lieutenant.

Formenos - OPO

[NightKnight]

Wrong again. I'm beginning to think I've made a hard one! :D

[Finwe]

Angband, because it was the only place that was never an Elvish stronghold at any point.

[symestreem]

Angband was the only one that wasn't a fortress of the elves.

[NightKnight]

Not what I was looking for.

[symestreem]

I'm going to go for the really obvious and say that Formenos was the only one that was not located in Beleriand.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

...was the only one that didn't fall in a battle.

By battle I mean about half a thousand troops on both sides. ;)

[NightKnight]

Both wrong.

[symestreem]

Gondolin is the only city among them.

[Arvedui III]

Tol-in-Gaurhoth was the only fortress where an elf destroyed it. (Luthien)

[NightKnight]

Nay.

[symestreem]

Gondolin was the only one that fell through treachery... wait... wait...

Turgon died at Gondolin
Finrod died at Tol-in-Gaurhoth
Orodreth died at Nargothrond
Finwe died at Formenos

Angband is the only one where an elf-king did not die?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

...but not actually in/on it.

OK...Formenos was the only one not in Middle-earth? :)

[NightKnight]

Symestreem has the right reasoning, but the wrong OPO. I guess it's who gets here first now...

[symestreem]

Symestreem gets here first, but hasn't a clue what you're talking about.

Gondolin is the only one where an elf-king is not slain?

[Lindolirian]

Formenos- You put it first in the list. It's gotta be it, cause that's just the way you are... :rolleyes: Ok, and it doesn't fit the rest of the criteria
Angband- Fell because of Earendil's (who was half Man) plea to the Valar for help
Gondolin- Many of its people were saved from its sack by Tuor
Nargothrond- Was destroyed easily because of Turin's decision to build a bridge
Tol-in-Gaurhoth- Was destroyed for the sake of Beren's escape

Formenos was the only one whose downfall did not concern or involve a Man.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Tol-in-Gaurhoth is the only place where a High-King of the Noldor didn't die...albeit my father did. :(

[NightKnight]

Nil is very close now. :D

And Lindo, how do you know I'm like that? :cool:

[symestreem]

Well, neither Finrod Felagund nor Orodreth were High Kings of Noldor, being the sons of Finarfin...

OK. First, Finwe dies at Formenos, leaving Fingolfin as High King of the Noldor and the oldest of the "accepted" (non-Feanorian/not banished) line. Then, Fingolfin dies at Angband, leaving Fingon as High King of the Noldor and the oldest. Fingon dies in the Nirnaeth Arnoediad, leaving Turgon as the eldest in the eldest line. If he was never proclaimed High King, he had the right. Then Turgon dies at Gondolin, leaving... um... I guess Finrod Felagund would be next. He dies at Tol-in-Gaurhoth (sorry, Nil), leaving Orodreth as the eldest who could claim that title. He dies at Nargothrond.

I don't know if this matters, but on your list Nargothrond is the only one that does not fit the above... um... reasoning. The event that occurs there is out of order chronologically... Finrod dies in Tol-in-Gaurhoth before Orodreth dies in Nargothrond. On the list it's out of order. So that would make Nargothrond the OPO because it's the only place where an elf-king didn't die there within that time frame. Ie, noone died there between Turgon's death and Finrod's death.
Does that make any sense whatsoever?

[NightKnight]

Eh...I think so. You get it, the answer was as simple as that no elfking died in Nargothrond - Orodreth died at the field of Tumladen.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

My father can't be High King of Noldor in Middle-earth, because the eldest line was the House of Fingolfin. After Turgon Ereinion Gil-galad was the next king.

Just a tidbit there. Carry on.

[symestreem]

I stand corrected, Nilpaurion.
I need a few days to come up with something hopefully easier than my last one... I'll be back then.

[symestreem]

Here's the next set. I'm telling you now that it has nothing to do with death. Think happy thoughts!!

Rivendell
Beorn's house
Minas Tirith the 2nd
Vinyamar
Ivrin

[The Perky Ent]

Ivrin, the only place where someone didn't live?

[Evisse the Blue]

Beorn's house - the only one not near a river?

[symestreem]

Nyet.

[Bombadil]

Beorn's house,only place not banking off of mountains, or in mountainous area?

[symestreem]

Nien. Think happy, hobbit-like thoughts!!! :) :cool:

[NightKnight]

Hobbit-like, you say? Does that perhaps involve food? :rolleyes:

There were no parties at Ivrin?

[symestreem]

Right reasoning, but the wrong OPO.

[NightKnight]

Gotta be Vinyamar then.

[symestreem]

Yes. One of the elf-kings held a feast near the Pools of Ivrin.

[NightKnight]

Alright, here we go then:

Umbar
Isengard
Edoras
Amon Hen
Rivendell

[The Perky Ent]

Amon Hen, the only place where Legolas and Gimli didn't travel with Aragorn

[NightKnight]

Nope.

[The Perky Ent]

Rivendel, the only place where a man didn't rule?

[NightKnight]

Wrong.

[The Perky Ent]

Isengard, the only place to be invaded by Ents?

[NightKnight]

Negative.

[The Perky Ent]

Umbar, the only place not to be visited by a Istari?

[NightKnight]

Now you're getting closer...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Isengrim...errr..gard, the only place where an Istar made his abode. :)

[NightKnight]

Nope.

[symestreem]

Umbar was the only one where an Istari, specifically Gandalf, did not use his power?
Gandalf threw Saruman out of Theoden at Edoras. He prevented Sauron from finding the Ring at Amon Hen. He cracked Saruman's staff at Isengard. At Rivendell he... um... helped with the flood and convinced Elrond to let the Meiadoc and Pippin join the Fellowship.

[NightKnight]

Good answer, but no.

[symestreem]

Amon Hen, the only one where an Istari did not stay?

[NightKnight]

No. You need to think smaller.

[Evisse the Blue]

Umbar - the only place where a hobbit hasn't been?

[NightKnight]

Correct. :)

[Evisse the Blue]

Woodhall
Imladris
Frogmorton
Mithlond

:)

[NightKnight]

Frogmorton - the only place where the hobbits didn't meet elves?

[Evisse the Blue]

I mean, I expected it to be short lived, but not that short-lived. :D

Your turn, again, Nightknight!

[NightKnight]

Woodhall gave it away...the only thing that ever happened there was the hobbits meeting Gildor and his people.

An easy one:
Erebor
Ered Luin
Nulukkizdin
Ered Mithrin

[symestreem]

Ered Mithrin is the only one without a colony of dwarves.

[NightKnight]

Not what I was looking for.

[symestreem]

Ered Luin is the only one that has not been sacked by a dragon or more?

[NightKnight]

You have it. :)

[symestreem]

Minas Tirith
Doriath
Rivendell
Gondolin
the Fens of Sirion

Again, think happy thoughts.

[Mad Baggins]

Rivendell was the only place where blood was not spilled?

[symestreem]

Happier than that.

[NightKnight]

The Fens of Sirion, the only one where two lovers didn't meet? (Minas Tirith - Faramir and Eowyn, Doriath - Beren and Luthien, Rivendell - Aragorn and Arwen, Gondolin - Tuor and Idril)

[symestreem]

You're definitely on the right track, but you need to narrow your criterion.

[NightKnight]

They met lovers of another race... If Minas Tirith is the one in the First Age, then could it be Beren and Luthien meeting there?

[symestreem]

It's Minas Tirith of Gondor, and it's not meeting lovers. You're on the right track, though.

[Lindolirian]

The Fens of Sirion is the only place where a half-elf was not born.
Minas Tirith- Eldarion
Doriath- Dior
Rivendell- Arwen
Gondolin- Earendil

[symestreem]

We don't know for sure that Dior was born in Doriath, Eldarion was born in Minas Tirith, or Arwen was born in Rivendell. And I don't think Arwen counts as a half-elf- but let's not go into that. Anyway, you're forgetting two very important people who were born at the Fens of Sirion.

[NightKnight]

Elrond and Elros! And then Eärendil in Gondolin, Arwen in Rivendell, Luthien in Doriath... which leaves Minas Tirith. Or maybe Rivendell, since you said you weren't sure of Arwen, and instead we take Eldarion in Minas Tirith.

[symestreem]

Sorry, NightKnight, but it's not birth. Something related, though, at least in Middle-earth. But that's a great answer!

[NightKnight]

Marriages between people from different races:
Gondolin - Tuor and Idril
Doriath - Beren and Luthien/Thingol and Melian
Minas Tirith - Aragorn and Arwen
Rivendell - Elrond and Celebrian
Fens of Sirion is the OPO.

[symestreem]

Now you need to widen your criterion, and never assume anything that the books don't tell you (or imply beyond a reasonable doubt). Were Elrond and Celebrian of different races?

[NightKnight]

At least one half-elf got married in all except Gondolin?

[symestreem]

No. Widen your focus some more. And, perhaps I don't have the information you have (in which case this question is doomed!) but, don't assume something unless the books explicitly state it.

[symestreem]

OK, I have decided to change the question, because of the possibility that something in that vast and often self-contradictory Tolkien Legendarium is making the answer to this puzzle wrong.

I've taken out Rivendell and added two places. The OPO is still the same as before, so continue with the trains of thought you were on before. New list:

Minas Tirith
Doriath
Lothlorien
Gondolin
Nan Elmoth
the Fens of Sirion

[Arvedui III]

Herm...this is a horrible guess, but Nan Elmoth, as an elf and her mortal love lived in all the other places at some point in time.

[symestreem]

Nope. It's a lot simpler. But close.

[symestreem]

I'm... confused. Odd Place Out II disappeared.
Anyway, noone is getting this, so I am abdicating the thread and leaving it open for whoever gets here first.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

There are no more "Something thread 2" threads, as they have been assimilated to the original "Something thread".

You serious about abdicating?

[symestreem]

You know what, I'm not. I'm not giving up yet.
The answer is very simple, and some variation or other has been guessed several times- not with the correct OPO, though.

[Evisse the Blue]

The Fens of Sirion, because two people (both Elves and Men) did not fall in love there?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

You changed your mind? Figures. Next time you change your mind, you probably accept Adam's proposal to marry you.

No, she will not! What about GCHQ?

What about it?

Uh...

While Adam is thinking of a witty retort - :rolleyes: Yeah, right. - I'll give it a shot.

The Fens of Sirion - only one half of a mixed-raced couple passed there. (Beren from Doriath to Nargothrond)

[symestreem]

Nope. Simpler. Reaaaally simple.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Minas Tirith of Gondor did not exist during the Third Age?

Oh yeah! Simple! :rolleyes:

[symestreem]

Minas Tirith of Gondor did not exist during the Third Age?


What??
No. It's on the general track of all the other guesses. But simple.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

What did happen in the Fens of Sirion?

Hmmm...no elves were married in Minas Tirith?

[Mad Baggins]

Minas Tirith was the only place where the entire Fellowship was, at one time?

[Gil-Galad]

Boromir was there with the fellowship though...he lived in Minas Tirith

[symestreem]

It doesn't have to do the races being married, so no to all of the above.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Nobody was married in the Fens of Sirion...

At least, nobody I know. :)

[symestreem]

Wrong OPO.

I just realized how incredibly ironic this question is... :rolleyes:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Nobody was married in Doriath?

[symestreem]

I believe Galadriel and Celeborn were married in Doriath.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Nobody ever met in the Fens of Sirion?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

symestreem?

[symestreem]

But they did. Earendil and Elwing met in the Fens of Sirion.

I 'm tying up this thread from a more fun and challenging question, I know. This time, I really do mean to give up.

Correct answer:
Lothlorien
Lothlorien is the only place of the list where there is no specific marriage that takes place.
Minas Tirith- Arwen and Aragorn
Doriath- Galadriel and Celeborn
Gondolin- Tuor and Idril
Nan Elmoth- Eol and Aredhel
the Fens of Sirion- Earendil and Elwing

This thread is open to whoever gets here first.

[Gil-Galad]

hopefully i'm first here to post...


Minas Tirith
Tol-in-Gauroth
Minas Anor
Taur-Nu-Fuin

[Sleepy Ranger]

Hey its Minas Tirith,
Its the only place not under the control of Sauron

[Gil-Galad]

very close but no

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

symestreem darling, surely you must refer to the Mouths of Sirion, not the Fens.

Yet by Sirion and the sea there grew up an Elven-folk, the gleamings of Doriath and Gondolin...

(The Silmarillion 23)

Bright Eärendil was then lord of the people that dwell nigh to Sirion's mouths; and he took to wife Elwing the fair...

(The Silmarillion 24)

Gil-galad: Minas Anor. Its the only place Sauron never controlled.

[symestreem]

...Oops... :(

There are also fens at the mouth of the Sirion, however. Still... that was really stupid, and I apologize to everyone.

[Gil-Galad]

good job Nilpaurion! your turn!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

That's OK, sym dearie. After all, we are all imperfect here.

Thank you, Gil-galad. And thank you, too, Sleepy Ranger. [evil grin] :D

Here's mine, then.

Nargothrond
Emyn Arnen
Gondolin
Tirion

Have fun! :)

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Could it be Emyn Arnen, the only one of the four not the dwelling of elves?

[Gil-Galad]

Tirion was the only place Morgoth ever been in, or the only place he has knowledge of

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A clue: nothing to do with Elves, as a race, that is...

[Gil-Galad]

nargothrond only place where a race dwelled before the elves

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I really mean it. Nothing to do with the word "Elf" or "Elves"; although they are involved, their race doesn't matter.

[Tuor of Gondolin]

If this is the answer it's aggravatingly simple/tricksy/whatever. :p

Nargothrond the only underground dwelling?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It's not that simple, but it still beats Quantum Mechanics in simplicity.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Anyone?

Please?

[Evisse the Blue]

Emyn Arnen the only one not a stronghold?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Clue: Rulers. Not the metric kind. ;)

[symestreem]

Hmm. Tirion is the only place where a younger brother did not reign.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Finarfin did rule in Tirion. And he's younger than Fëa or Fingolfin.

Nope. Try another hook.

[Lhunardawen]

Hmm...Emyn Arnen is the only place where the original ruler did not die???

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Look at the rulers closely.

If you need hints, well... :p
Ask for it.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

First, I gave rulers.

Now, the clue is phoneme.

Please, please, please . . . solve this. I implore. I beg. I grovel. I'll even bribe.

[Evisse the Blue]

Hmm, that hint brings even more confusion to me...

Emyn Arnen the only one who had rulers who shared the same name, but different titles, as in: Hurin I, Hurin II?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The list of rulers of the respective places are quite short. Try listing them all. Then you'll see one place has a weedle problem. ;)

Hope that helps!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

My last clue is "F". Hope that helped.

[Telchar]

Is it as simple as: Nargothrond Because it was the only place that was ruled by someone whose name did not start with "F" (Orodreth)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Your reason was correct, but the answer was wrong. :p

[Glirdan]

Gondolin because Turgon was the only one who ruled in Gondolin and his name doesn't start with and "F".

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

After a year and two months, you have finally got it, Glirdan! :D

That means you can think of a puzzle for us now. :)

[Glirdan]

WOW!! That long?? My, my!! And me the one to guess it!! As if!!! Here we go, my first time:

Misty Mountains
Osgilith
Mordor
Minas Morgul

Hint: Think of where all Hobbits have gone.

PS: This is probably really easy, but I can't think of anything else right now.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Is It the misty mountains

The only place they have all been ?

(I think)

[Glirdan]

You're right Rune!! You're thread!!! ;)
*Mutters* I knew it was to easy....... :rolleyes:

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Ok here goes:

Gondolin
Nargothrond
Menegroth
Elgarest

Hint: Think War of the Jewles

Just say if you want a new hint.

[Telchar]

Menegroth was not sacked by the forces of Morgoth, but by dwarves...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Yes thats the answer i was looking for.

your turn.

[Telchar]

Rauros
Hornburg
Edoras
Moria
Amon Sul

I think this one is rather difficult, so don't look for simple answers ;)

[The Perky Ent]

Hornburg - The only place a hobbit was not present?

[Telchar]

All the hobbits went to Helms Deep on their way home, didn't they?

[NightKnight]

Moria: The only place where a Nazgul was not sighted?

[Morsul the Dark]

or amun sul because its the only place orcs werent

[Telchar]

Moria: The only place where a Nazgul was not sighted?
Well the same goes for Rauros, doesn't it? The Nazgul which steed Legolas shot, were encountered at the beginning of the Sarn Gebir some 30-40 miles north of Rauros.


or amon sul because its the only place orcs weren't
That goes for Edoras as well... Dunledings are not orcs.


HINT: Connect a single caracters actions at the sites (or very close by), and see where that brings you :)

[Morsul the Dark]

ok....aragorn is the only consistent charactor at all the places....sooo....um edoras is the only one aragorn didnt fight at?

[Telchar]

Very close! Aragorn is correct, but Im not concerned with fighting in this question...

[Hiriel]

Well, then, perhaps this. Rauros was the only place that Aragorn didn't stay at more any great period of time. They burried Boromir and started running. He stayed many days at Edoras, Moria, and the Hornburg, and spent the night at Amon Sul.

[Telchar]

A nice quess but no :)

[Telchar]

Correct answer: Aragorn Spoke verse, chanted or sang at all places save Moria.

Im going away for a week (to lovely Spain), and won't be back until next monday, so anybody can continue this thread :)

[Glirdan]

Okie dokie!!!

Mirkwood Forest
Fangorn Forest
Rivendell
Lothlorien

Hint: Once again think of Hobbits. This one might be easy alos, but I can't rack my brain for anything right now.

[Hiriel]

Fangorn, because that is the only forest that a Baggins did not enter.

[Glirdan]

Nope!!! Good reasoning behind that though. I would have given it to you because I forgot what the answer wasm but now I remember. Keep guessing!! ;)

[Hiriel]

*sighs* Alright then. Mirkwood, because no halfing member of the Fellowship ever went there.

[Glirdan]

Again, good reasoning but not quite what I'm thinking of. Wow!! I didn't know it would be this hard!!! :eek: :p ;)

[NightKnight]

I suppose it's not as easy as Rivendell, because it's not a forest? :p

[Glirdan]

Nope!! Wrong again. Keep guessing. :p :D

[Hiriel]

Herm...Mirkwood, because that was the only place a hobbit had to fight anything (spiders).

[Glirdan]

Still no. :D Need a hint?

[Telchar]

No hobbit lost their way in Lorien

[Glirdan]

Right place, wrong reason. If you can guess that, I'll give it to you. :p

[ElentariGreenleaf]

Lothlorien is the only place Gandalf is not mention to have been in the LotR trilogy?

[Glirdan]

Reason is completely wronf there. Gandalf did go to Lothlorien after he came back from the dead. He was flown to Lothlorien on Galadriel's orders and was given clothes and he stayed there for a week or so (I think I'm wrong about that) and then headed to Edoras. Guess again!! :p :D

[ElentariGreenleaf]

Ah yes, so he did. Well, it's been a while since I read the books ^_^;

[Telchar]

The reason is more important than the place ;) ... im not going to continue this thread...

[Glirdan]

Oh come Telchar, I'm pretty sure you'd be able to get it. Remember, it still has something to do with Hobbit, but more importantly, a Baggins.

There's your hint.

[Telchar]

Seriously, Im lost! Bilbo never went to neither Lothlorien or Fangorn. Frodo never went to Mirkwood or Fangorn... :(

[Glirdan]

Ok, you got it. I know that was difficult, and there are numerouse possibilites for that, but that's what I wanted, Bilbo never went to Lothroien. I hate it when there's numerous answers because then you just want to give it to that person!!! :mad: GRRR!!!! Sorry that I had to put you all through that. :( I truly am!!! :(

[Telchar]

ok - here goes

Hobbiton
Long Cleeve
Nobottle
Needlehole

:rolleyes:

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Long Cleeve is the only one in North-farthing/not in West-farthing.

The only thing I could think of, just now.

[Telchar]

Its a nice guess Rune, but sorry, no. It thas nothing to go with the four farthings...

[Estanesse]

Is the odd out Long Cleeve. Its the only Took village.

[Telchar]

no - as always when I post odd outs - one stands out because the others have something in common. Being "not-a-took-village" isn't much to have in common :p

HINT: Its geographical!

[Estanesse]

:o :o :D

Is it Long Cleeve, doesnt lay near a river and the others do.

[Telchar]

Thats good enough for me :) Long Cleeve is odd out for not being situated on The Water

[Estanesse]

Thanks Telchar,

Carchost
Minas Ithil
Thousand Caves
Barad dur

[Eonwe]

ill go with the thousand caves, as it has no tower.

[Estanesse]

No sorry,

Hint *The Thousand Caves is not the odd out.*

[Gil-Galad]

Barad Dur, only place not to be held by different races

(Carchost - Orcs and men)
(Minas Ithil - orcs and men and nazgul)
(Thousand Caves - men and dwarves)

[Estanesse]

No but good guess.

[Gil-Galad]

Carchost...nothing lived in it

[Estanesse]

No thats not it

[Glirdan]

I'm going to guess at Minas Ithil. It was the only building constructed by Numenoreans.

[Estanesse]

Warm but no

[Glirdan]

OOOOO!!! So it is Minas Ithil. Or, I'm pretty sure it is. Now to think of a reason.....It was the only one that got taken over by orcs? That's probably wrong.....

[Gil-Galad]

Carchost was taken over by orcs...


Minas Ithil...only place to be taken and left standing during the Last Alliance?
(Barad Dur was destoryed but foundations left, Carchost was built after the Last Alliance)

[Estanesse]

No no its not Minas Itil :D but your reason was not so far off from the reason I'm looking for.

[Gil-Galad]

Barad Dur then? with the reasons stated above

[Estanesse]

Its not the reason I'm looking for, but you are looking in the right direction.

[Gil-Galad]

so its Barad Dur...any hints?

[Estanesse]

*HINT* Thousand Caves is the odd out