Character Trivia

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

please explain how you remember this on top on your head!

Please tell me you did a bit of searching in your books.

Of course it is correct

[The Might]

Dior came intantenously, and Nimloth soon after...
Galathil I looked up in the book

this character made a statue of himself to protect some friends

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I just had the same expirience kind of. . .I remembered the story very well, but not the name.

Aghan

[The Might]

yes, a very interesting story it is
and Aghan is CORRECT :)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Companion of the doomed

[The Might]

I'd say Turin since he joined the outlaws

nice idea btw, I like vague things ;)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

nope, but somehow on the right track

[The Might]

well, this is the problem, there were several people who might qualify as...companion of the doomed...
perhaps Mim the Dwarf ?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

yes there are many. . . well I could give a hint

btw it was not mim

[The Might]

Beleg perhaps?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

ehm no

[The Might]

not Beleg either...
maybe one of the outlaws themselves...Algund

[Valier]

Perhaps Samwise? Frodo could be considered Doomed

[Beleg Cuthalion]

Finrod Felagund perhaps?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Nope non of those. . . the answer is to be found in the UT

[The Might]

the UT ?

I just thought it might be Voronwe

One might consider Tuor the one doomed to go to Gondolin, so it makes sense

Still, I find the question a little ambiguous.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

nope you were closer earlier.

[The Might]

ok, so it still is Turin...
his companion...

Gwindor perhaps ?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

hehe no not at all. . .I Gwindor is mentioned in the Sil.

The name I am looking for is not.

[The Might]

Orleg ???

I am really puzzled I must say :confused:

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

No. . .who is Orleg? I cannot remember the name.

[The Might]

Orleg is one of the Outlaws and he is mentioned in the UT...

Ulrad

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

no no no

if I say Travel Companion of The Doomed. . .then you say?

[The Might]

Travel...still it doesn't narrow it down too much...
And the doomed seems to be Turin
Dorlas was his companion as he set out to kill Glaurung

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

but that was not to travel. . .that was going against a foe together, they did not even really leave Brethil.

[The Might]

Gwindor and Beleg traveled with him, but I already said that

Androg ???

I just read through almost the whole Narn I Hin Hurin and I'm running out of answers

[Beleg Cuthalion]

Hunthor?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

well, then it should be obviouse to you, at least if the titels are anything like the Danish.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

and no not Hunthor

[The Might]

I have a feeling I'm not going to find the answer in this Age of the earth

ok, maybe Gethron and Grithnir, these are the 2 servants that travelled with Turin from Dor-lomin to Doriath

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Finaly you got it!

Gethron it was. . .I chose Gethron over Grithnir, because Grithnir sounds like Glitnir an Icelandic bank for whom I did some very dull work. Well, not for them, but for some of their supliers.

What was the Titel of the part of Narn Hin Hurin in which you found their names?

[The Might]

the departure of Turin...why?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

well I told you that they where travel companions. . . and the Danish is called "Turins afrejse" so I figured the German would be called "Turins abreise" (reise and rejse meaning travel)

You are German, right?

[The Might]

not really
I am a Romanian, living in Germany, and all my books are in English
I like English to German when it comes to Tolkien, because it's the original, just as he wrote it

anyway...to keep it similar, but clearly easier

a companion of Thror

[Valier]

Thorin?

[The Might]

nope...

[Valier]

Thrain?

[The Might]

nope (fortunately for you Tolkien didn't name so many Dwarves :D)

[Valier]

Borin?

[The Might]

not Borin either...
I thought the answer was pretty easy, it's a pretty well known story

[Valier]

Nar?

[The Might]

Congrats :)

btw it was with Nar that Thror travelled to Moria. There he was killed by Azog, and after the Orc branded his name in Thror's head he sent Nar back to the Dwarves to give them the message that any other Dwarves that would come to Moria would also suffer that fate

[Valier]

YAY!!!!!!! Ok welll

Who was told he could not have two wives by his Father?

[The Might]

Aldarion maybe

I remember Erendis telling him he was wedded to the Sea as well...so that makes sense

[Valier]

Good job!! The thread is again yours Might.

[The Might]

wow...I'm...surprised to say the least
I haven't read that part of the UT for a long time

anyway...at whose passing do birds start to sing and flowers open ?

[Valier]

Vana the ever young?

[The Might]

Vana it is

[Valier]

Who led the woman and children of the house of Beor from Dorthonion?

[The Might]

Emeldir

[Valier]

Correct indeed!! :p

[The Might]

two members of the Baggins family had the same name as well...what was it?

[Valier]

Ponto?

[The Might]

quick and correct ;)

[Valier]

What was the name given to Turin by Finduilas and what is it's translation?

[The Might]

Thurin (the secret)
pretty close to the truth

[Valier]

Indeed :D

[The Might]

Who was the strongest of the Elves of Gondolin ?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ecthelion?

[The Might]

nope :eek:

[Anguirel]

Rog, I'm fairly certain...

[The Might]

Rog it is :)

[Beleg Cuthalion]

10 Rule... ROCK THE THREAD!!! Who had a tombstone made out of black rock?


~Beleg Cuthalion http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/happy/35.gif

[Shards of Narsil]

New to Barrow-Downs... been watching for a while and now decided to jump in.

It was Elendil I believe.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Hey SoN, why don't you go introduce your self. . . . http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=506047#post506047

[Beleg Cuthalion]

New to Barrow-Downs... been watching for a while and now decided to jump in.

It was Elendil I believe.




Hello Shards of Narsil, you are right Elendil it is.

[The Might]

10 days...so here is a new one:

Two people that had the same name and were born 536 years apart.

[Elmo]

Was it Boromir the steward and Boromir of the nine walkers?

[The Might]

Well, yes, but not born 536 years apart

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Just one question. Would you let me take the thread if I tell you more than 40 persons who I surely know are not the right answer? :D I just spent a lot of time in the books with a calculator, and I really didn't happen to find anyone who would fit this.

I guess it's a lot harder than it seems, eh?

[The Might]

Not really...
Actually I was first asked this on another site.
There the question was the same just 535 instead of 536.
I managed to find those with 536, but nobody with 535.After looking for some time, the person told me it was a typo and it should have been 536 instead of 535...that was annoying

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I knew it. I overlooked it. The Dwarves were among my first thoughts and I was not clever enough to look up if there are any without the "I." or "II." in their names who have the same name. *sigh*

Of course, Oin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

Great, this was surely a braincooker, if you understand what I mean. :D A good training. You know how I did it? I was reading J.C.A.Tyler's Tolkien Companion and always stopping and checking when I saw two same names together. Fortunately, I stopped at G, and from Gloin it was not so far...

[The Might]

Yeah, the problem is you have several kings of Gondor/Arnor/Numenor who sometimes fit the first part, but never the second one
Good job! :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Who was the fairest of all elven princes?

[The Might]

I am not sure...maybe Fingolfin?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nope. :p

[Gil-Galad]

i would say Fingon, but the fan-girl inside me would have to say Legolas perhaps...

[Thinlómien]

Finrod Felagund?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Lommy got it! Finrod it was.
Just to support this:
Thus King Finrod Felagund, fairest and most beloved of the house of Finwë, redeemed his oath; but Beren mourned beside him in despair.
(...)
They buried the body of Felagund upon the hill-top of his own isle, and it was clean again; and the green grave of Finrod Finarfin's son, fairest of all the princes of the Elves, remained inviolate, until the land was changed and broken, and foundered under destroying seas. But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.
His father Finarfin was called the fairest of Finwë's sons, and his son Finrod was called the fairest of the elven princes.
I knew fan girls might protest (although I didn't expect it right from you Gil-Galad :D ), but the Professor said it clear ;)

Congratulations, Lommy! Your turn now.

[Thinlómien]

It was just a guess...! :D

But, Legate, you know I'm a Finrod fangirl, so it was pretty easy... ;)

Who was the Lalwendë in Tolkien's writings?

[Gil-Galad]

Lalwende means "laughing maiden"


and she was the Third child of Finwe and Indis.

so i guess she was the laughing maiden?

[Thinlómien]

Correct, I guess. (I'm not 100% sure about her being the 3rd child, but I'm sure she was their child... :rolleyes: )

So, please take the thread, Gil. :)

[Gil-Galad]

Alrighty...


What was the Poetic Title of the lord of the skies?


its somewhat easy...

[The Might]

Almost forgot about this thread, but I guess it's never to late to answer:

Sulimo I suppose

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Or the Elder King. But Súlimo is far more poetic, I think...

[Gil-Galad]

close, but not exact! guess again!

[The Might]

I guess that "Lord of the Breath of Arda" does sound more poteic

[Gil-Galad]

there you go TM

[The Might]

A new one:
Who was the first King of Gondor to die childless`?

[Dimturiel]

That was Falastur, right?

[The Might]

Yes...guess it was kind of hard to have kids if you're wife is Beruthiel

[Dimturiel]

Yeah, hard indeed. ;)

Ok, so tell me the name of the Rohirrim king in whose time Saruman comes to Isengard.

[The Might]

It was at Frealaf's corronation that Saruman first appeared and also gained the king's approval.

[Dimturiel]

Yep, so it was. Go ahead.

[The Might]

Who was the last to try to go past the Dark Door before the War of the Ring?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Baldor son of Brego?

[The Might]

Yes

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Who built the sentinels of Argonath?

[The Might]

Romendacil II according to Appendix A of LotR

[Gil-Galad]

Well the Numenoreans did... but do you mean which King was Reigning during its building?

King Romendacil II was at time the regent...

EDIT: X-Posted with TM only because i decided to research it... bah humbug

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Of course, Rómendacil II, correct. It was far easier than I thought. Now, choose between yourselves. :) Well, maybe if we take it in the most basic line, TM has the two-minute bonus, so... But anyway, great job of both of you :cool:

[The Might]

Yay!

Anyway, who managed to save Gondor by first winning in the South, soon after in the North too?

[Gil-Galad]

King Earnur i'm pretty sure... he defeated the Wainriders then about 10 years later he drove the Witch-King out of Arnor with Glorfindel

[The Might]

Not really the answer I was looking for, but you're close

[Gil-Galad]

or maybe i mean Earnil, who defeated the Haradrim then went north and defeated the Easterlings

[The Might]

Yes, Earnil is the one I had in mind.

[Gil-Galad]

another easy one...


Who was the last king of the North?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Arvedui, eh?

[The Might]

I'd say Earendur, since Arvedui was the last king of Arthedain, while Earendur was the last king of the whole northern kingdom

[Gil-Galad]

hmmm... i was meaning Arvedui mainly because he was there and the last of the northern line though Earendur claimed the northern kingdom... but i will have to go with Legate so we can get a change of people

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Actually, I think since you said "north", then Arvedui it was...
Arvedui Last-king †1975. End of the North-kingdom.

But let's not quibble over semantics. Here is the new one:

What were the names of the two close relatives, who were among the Corsairs of Umbar?

[The Might]

Sangahyando and Angamaite perhaps?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Of course, TM. Whom else could I have expected to answer :p

[The Might]

I thought about this answer yesterday already, but I thought it might be wrong since as great grandsons of Castamir, they might not be seen as "close" relatives...but as I didn't know any other names I tried it

Anyway...

Where and how did Aragorn's grandfather on his father's side die?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

If I remember correctly, then he was killed by trolls north of Rivendell... Coldfalls, or how was it called.

[The Might]

How is correct, where...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I had to look it up. Coldfells was the name of that place. It is called simply "Cold Waterfalls" in Czech...

[The Might]

Looking forward to your next question

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

This is probably not so hard as braintester, but I think it is very typical "trivia" question...

How many fingers were on Treebeard's hands?

[The Might]

10?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nope. ;)

[The Might]

Now that I read through the chapter again, I am not so sure fingers are ever mentioned...
He didn't have any at all I guess

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No, I can assure you there is precisely said how many fingers he had. :)

[Gil-Galad]

going to guess with 4 on each hand...

[Thinlómien]

Twelve?

[The Might]

Well, all I know is he had 7 toes on each foot...
But fingers on his hands...maybe 14 then?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, I must apologize, I realize now what is written in the original... of course I was using the translation and there it seems as if he had seven fingers on his hands, where the original speaks obviously about seven toes on feet. :rolleyes: I should have looked it up, but it didn't even come to my mind that the translation could be so twisted :mad:

*scratches head* Since if I started from the original, I would probably have asked about the toes, then TM's answer would be correct and I'll pass the thread to him. Most of the other answers, maybe except Gil-Galad's, would anyway be wrong - at least if Treebeard was like other ents. There is said that generally they had "anything from three to nine" (both about the fingers and toes). So TM, ask away.

[The Might]

Translations can be a problem sometimes...

Anyway, who hid himself in abandoned mines?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Arvedui? These were Dwarven mines, and he hid himself there after his retreat from the defeat by Witch-King...

[The Might]

I was actually hoping it will take longer to answer, since it's only a pretty obscure thing...guess the thread is yours. :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, it happens I like to look at stuff like that, these "not-too-common" things. I like it, because you can see stories or characters behind it that you'd otherwise pay a little attention to. And since the story of the Arnorian chieftains is very elaborate, I have the bits of it in my mind :)

Okay, it took me now some time, since I was trying to come up also with something "not too ordinary"... I hope this will be interesting enough:

Who was the person whom even the Lord of the Nazgul feared, but who received a Morgul-wound and died?

[The Might]

Earnur I believe...
He clearly died from a Morgul-wound as he accepted the Wicht-king's challenge some time later and never returned

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No, it was not Eärnur :cool:

WK mocked him, he wasn't afraid of him, maybe not at all, and we don't know for sure what his fate was, maybe he died by Morgul-wound, maybe he was tortured to death, maybe something else. But the person I am looking for is someone else. Someone... well, someone the WK feared and who died later by the Morgul-wound, as I said earlier :D

[The Might]

This makes me think of Frodo
I believe the WK did fear him, and it was the Morgul wound that forced him to leave Middle-earth

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Perhaps he feared him, but this is not who I am looking for. That person actually died.

[The Might]

I forgot about Boromir, son of Denethor I

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

That was him. Interesting person he must have been, just from what is written about him... not to forget that Boromir of the Nine Walkers was named after him...

Your turn http://www.forumup.cz/images/smiles/Trilly-166-icon_thumright.gif

[The Might]

I guess it was somehow a repeating pattern of the father called Denethor, and the son Boromir

Who wanted to punish others by throwing them into snake pits?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

The Goblins of Misty-Mountains? The Great Goblin, namely.

[The Might]

I was hoping that Hobbit questions might be harder to answer

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

They do, but I just have some things (including the speech of the Great Goblin) in memory, so... :rolleyes:

But if you say the Hobbit ones are more difficult, what about this: Which person owns red handkerchiefs? (or, at least owned one, which was borrowed by Bilbo - but this implies that this person owns more red handkerchiefs in general :D )

[The Might]

Well, he took Elrond's red silk handkerchief...poor Elrond

Anyway, looking for the answer, I came across something else which I find interesting, but that's another topic

Who made Minas Anor the permanent residence of the king?

[Dimturiel]

Wasn't it Ostoher?

[The Might]

No

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

King Tarondor, eh?

[The Might]

yep, Ostoher only made it the summer residence

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Who was the person who almost saved Théodred at the Battles of Isen?

[The Might]

Grimbold if I remember correctly
Anyway...I've always thought that Rohan made a big strategical mistake there and lost too many men unnecessarily

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Correct, Grimbold it was.

And I don't know about the strategical mistake, because it is one of the parts of the ME history I am not much familiar with. But you might take the thread :)

[The Might]

Well...I think they could have used those forces much better to maybe attack Saruman's Uruks on one side of the river and then return for the others, or as Erkenbrand proposed I think to retreat a short distance and then with a cavalry charge drive all the forces on one side into the river, then go for the others. But I'm no military strategist, so I'll leave it as it is.

What Ent died during the attack on Isengard?

[Thinlómien]

His name is Pyökkiluu in Finnish but I can't recall it in English... Something like "Beechbone"?

[The Might]

Pyökkiluu it is

[Thinlómien]

Pyökkiluu it is
:D

Well then. (By the way I had to check what he was in English and I was right about Beechbone... but I assume you all knew that already... :rolleyes: )

The next one:

Who had two birds as pets?

[The Might]

Good question.
I have been thinking, and thinking, and thinking and 20 seconds ago it came to me suddently.
Erendis received two birds as a gift and later let them go.

[Thinlómien]

Yes, you're right. Please take the thread. :D

[The Might]

Who was said to have lead the Silvan Elves of Lorien in the War of the Last Alliance?

[Macalaure]

I think this was Amdir/Malgalad.

[The Might]

Malgalad indeed

[Macalaure]

Thanks!

Who denied Arvedui the Kingship over Gondor?

[The Might]

Pelendur

[Macalaure]

..and back to you it goes. :)

[The Might]

Ok...What other folk were the Dunlendings closely related to?

[Dimturiel]

I know! The Dead Men of Dunharrow.

[The Might]

Correct
And I'll reward you by posting this new Estelyn smiley I just noticed: :Merisu:

[Dimturiel]

Heh, thanks, that's cute. :Merisu:
Ok, so tell me who were Thorin's nephews?

[The Might]

Fili and Kili right?

[Dimturiel]

Right. Do go on.

[The Might]

Who threw down his crown?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Wasn't it Fingon?

[The Might]

No

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh, sorry. First, I meant Finrod :D Second, I now became to think it was actually Orodreth. Is any of these two correct? :)

[The Might]

Finrod is

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ah, so indeed. I knew only it was someone who did that because he had enough of Celegorm&Curufin, so...

Okay, another one. Who dwelt in a city which was named the same as his father? (I hope this is understandable)

[The Might]

What does city mean...a big settlement?

[Gil-Galad]

Orodreth, Gondors 16th steward and ruler of Minas Tirith in Gondor was named after Orodreth, brother of Finrod, who was in charge of the first Minas Tirith in Beleriand

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What does city mean...a big settlement?
Yes, a big settlement.

Orodreth, Gondors 16th steward and ruler of Minas Tirith in Gondor was named after Orodreth, brother of Finrod, who was in charge of the first Minas Tirith in Beleriand
Oh, this is why I wrote that I hope the question is understandable. Let me use what Gil-Galad wrote as an example: if Orodreth the Steward was to be correct answer, then he would have to live in a city not named Minas Tirith, but in a city named "Belecthor I." (this was his father). :D

[The Might]

I asked because I found the members of the Gamwhich family in the Shire that lived in the village with the same name...but it's not a city I guess

Anyway, what about Hama, son of Helm Hammerhand
He followed his father to the Hornburg and died during the winter, afterwards the city was named after his father

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

But he died at that time, right? So he didn't live in Helm's deep when it was named the same as his father, only before, when it was not named at all.
And, he didn't live there... quite the opposite, actually :rolleyes:

[Gil-Galad]

well i meant Father, as more of a analogy to the past, like in memory, not of the maternal sense, as the line of stewards(at least i think so) was connected to the royal family of Numenor which was connected to the Elven royal family.

So with Orodreth the elf being lord of the first Minas Tirith and Orodreth the man being lord of the second Minas Tirith, i just saw the connection there. if the grammar was changed in the question, like adding a comma after city, then this anwser would make more sense

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Yes, but there is no comma and the question is far simpler than that, though it shows really constructive "riddler" thinking. Try something else :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

The original question was:

Who dwelt in a city which was named the same as his father?

We agreed on that "city"stands for a "big settlement" here.

Now, here's the hint:

This "city"'s name had two parts, while one of them was the name and the second had the meaning of "city" or something like that. Like, for example:

Port Sauron

or

Aragornsville

Hope this helps. I don't want to see threads dead! :)

[The Might]

I would have said Ephel Brandir, but he had no sons...and it wasn't that big

Maybe Meneldil...Minas Anor/Anarion
I know it's not good, but I can't seem to find anything else.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Good attempts, nice attempts... though it is still not what I'm looking for.
This - "city" - is not necessarily named after the person's father. This is why I formulated my question the way I did - because I don't know about any evidence that it was named after him. It is the same name, though, so there probably is a connection, but as far as I know, Tolkien didn't write anywhere explicitely about any connection (like "X came and named this city after his father").
I might also add that the father never visited that "city" (unless you deduced that from the question, because otherwise I'd simply say "who lived in a city named the same as him").
Oh, and the name is exact. So no Minas Anor/Anárion, in that case it would really be "Minas Anárion".

[Gil-Galad]

Dol Amroth?

Imrahil's bloodline was said to be mixed with elvish blood of Amroth, of which the city is named after


thats all i got

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No, Amroth was not Imrahil's father, as far as I know. This is really name of a real biological father of the person who dwelt there.

[The Might]

:mad: I can't believe it was right there before me all this time and I didn't see it, now I realise the question wasn't that hard, you just had to have a good memory with the names.

Celeborn lived in Caras Galadhon, and his father was also called Galadhon

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Very good, very good! Once again you proved your good knowledge of obscure matters like names of Celeborn's family members... :cool:

Eagerly awaiting your next question. Though, I have still yet to answer the one at the Verbal Reasoning thread... ;)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I was going to object because I thought you had said somewhere that it was man. . .in a way so that it looked like you were talking about the race of men, but it seems that it was not the case. I must just have been really tired then.

Anyways I am quite annoyed now, because I spend over 2 hours searching for the answer last night and totaly messed up my sleep. I quicly found the possible cities, but non of them made any sense, because I was only looking to the race of men.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I was going to object because I thought you had said somewhere that it was man. . .in a way so that it looked like you were talking about the race of men, but it seems that it was not the case. I must just have been really tired then.

Anyways I am quite annoyed now, because I spend over 2 hours searching for the answer last night and totaly messed up my sleep. I quicly found the possible cities, but non of them made any sense, because I was only looking to the race of men.
Oh, really sorry, Rune... Though I really think I didn't write anywhere that it should be a Man... not even anything implying it...

Well, possibly you should follow a paraphrase of Boro's signature: "For your health, sanity and good sleep, please read carefully the thread."

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I think it has more to do with bring tired than not reading through the thread carefully enough. . . This took place at 5-7 am

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I think it has more to do with bring tired than not reading through the thread carefully enough. . . This took place at 5-7 am
Oh, then this explains a lot. How comes you have such a nerve? :eek: Oh, or was it that you were already awake? Or not yet asleep? :rolleyes:

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Not yet a sleep. . .anyways better stop here before a mod comes around and kick our asses for being off-topic

[The Might]

Okay...who took care of the Shire's border areas?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

A special sort of Shiriffs... (looks at the English term for it) Bounders.

[The Might]

Indeed :Merisu:

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I thought this was charachter Trivia not Profession Trvia :p

[The Might]

Legate, maybe we should let Rune answer one? :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

During the rule of which Gondorian steward Isengard was lost?

EDIT: Oops, sorry, cross-post - I was re-thinking the question so many times that I had the post window open and meanwhile, you posted... well, it also seemed to me that is not much of a character trivia question... but at least you have something to answer now, Rune... TM would certainly let you take at least one guess before he himself attempts, right? ;) ...everyone's happy.

After all, we have plenty of threads with riddles here... you might look at others meanwhile... :cool:

[The Might]

Well, I believe you mean the take-over of Isengard by Dunlendings in 2710 TA
Which would mean sometime during the reign of Steward Egalmoth

EDIT: Oops...I've just edited it after noticing your edit

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

*AHEM* of course, correct.

EDIT: Nothing. Riddle in the riddles section coming soon...

[The Might]

Who has a name meaning "earth servant" ?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, simply by translation I would say Cemendur, who was the son of the famous Meneldil you mentioned in your question not too long ago.

[The Might]

indeed

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Who were the last two orcs to attempt to flee Cirith Ungol? (before Shagrat)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I had to do a bit of searching for this one, I have to admit. Normaly I only answer if I do not have to put a lot of efford into figuring out the answer, but this once I made an exeption.

I belive you are thinking of Muzgash and Lagduf

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Exactly. Here goes the thread to you, Rune.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

The hardest thing about quizes is always to figure out a good question and to make sure that it has not been asked before. . .I am going to skip all of that this time and just copy a previously asked question. I leave it up to you if you want to search the thread for the answer (if you do not know the answer your self)

What character had an elderly companion named Zamîn in his/her childhood home?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I think Erendis it was. I just read the story a short time ago... :rolleyes:

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

That is almost correct. . . .

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Almost? A-ha! Ancalimë, then.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Correct. . .

If the Childhood bit had not been there you had been right the first time.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Who was called "slave of slaves"?

[Thinlómien]

The orc named/called Snaga? :confused:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nope, that would be simply "slave". This was not the person's real name, and he was called that only in certain occassion. But a rather significant one, I might add.

[The Might]

Brodda

[Thinlómien]

Nope, that would be simply "slave". This was not the person's real name, and he was called that only in certain occassion. But a rather significant one, I might add.I was that thinking that if orcs were (sort of) slaves and there was a low-rank orc called Snaga "slave" then you could think it was... Well, yes, that was quite far-fetched, but I had to try. :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Brodda

*AHEM* And I thought this could be hard...

(or is it that you already received your copy of CoH and in tolkienic maddness read it as far as that moment?)

Of course, correct. Please, take over.

I was that thinking that if orcs were (sort of) slaves and there was a low-rank orc called Snaga "slave" then you could think it was... Well, yes, that was quite far-fetched, but I had to try.
Understood. I thought you meant it like that. And, as you say, at least you tried. That counts as well ;)

EDIT: I just noticed, that last time, the posts I send in reply to TM mostly start with the word *AHEM* :rolleyes:

[The Might]

Nah, I believe in the earlier version of the story this part is also present so I remembered about it

Ok...what character, as the only one of six, reached his goal?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Six? Are you sure they were six? I found many examples of two, one of four, several of five and seven, but none of six. Could you at least say if they were... um... all together, like for example a company of whom only one survived till the end, or that these where six totally different characters, like six people trying to reach something at several times or even enemies trying to reach some goal, of who only one succeeded?

[The Might]

A company, but not of all six.

[Gil-Galad]

hmmm... i'm thinking of the Grey Company...

Aragorn - became king of gondor

don't remember if Gimli, Legolas, Elladan, Elrohir, and Halbarad had any other proclaimed goal...

[The Might]

1. wrong
2. The Grey Company had 30 other Dunedain as well

[Gil-Galad]

1. wrong
2. The Grey Company had 30 other Dunedain as well


i know that, but only six of that company was given names in the book... seesh

[The Might]

Sorry for my response, I'm under quite much stress right now, I apologize. :(

As a tip for all of you, there were only six people who EVER attempted this feat, and out of them only one succeeded.
Believe me it is a very obvious answer ( if you find it), so if you have your doubts it probably is wrong. ;)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Eärendil?

[Gil-Galad]

Turin Turambar?



i'm trying to remember... but his goal was to slay Glaurang, but many before him have failed... like Azaghal and i can't think of others...


now i'm thinking of Frodo, and destroying the Ring/Sauron, mainly Sauron

Gil-Galad
Isildur
Finrod
Elendil
Elrond
Frodo


yarg... another though... could be Eowyn who killed the Witch-King...

Glorfindel
Earnur
Avredui(maybe?)
Theoden
Gandalf
Eowyn

to much thinking

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ah, Witch-king, it didn't occur to me, perhaps...?

But I am 100% sure it is not Túrin nor it's slaying Sauron, I checked those possibilities, so if TM says it's true, I'm going to get angry!

If Gil-Galad is not right, perhaps some little, just little hint might be of help? Like what time, age...?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Damn, far more people than six tried to to find the way to Valinor, Turgon alone sent 7 ships. . . that is what happens when you guess with out thinking things through.

[The Might]

No, as I said it is very obvious, and Legate knows what I mean. Just like for his riddles once you find the answer you'll know it's correct.
For example people wanting to slay the WK isn't very good, one could say Merry, or maybe also Eomer would have desired to kill him...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Borondir the messenger of Cirion to Éotheod?

[The Might]

*gives aspirine for the headache* :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

You won't believe how stupid I felt back then. For illustration, Hirgon was among the first possibilities I checked. I don't know how I could have forgotten Mr.Udalraph, especially when he was riding round Dol Guldur.

A sort of riddlish question: Tell me the name of this one who was surely a fine craftperson, though not as good as Fëanor, but still succeeded at one thing in which Fëanor failed.

[Gil-Galad]

Aule perhaps? he created the vessels in which the Sun and the Moon to travel the world, thus he created the light of the world, but Feanors Silmarils failed in its task.

also, i'm pretty sure in the Silmarillion Feanor was placed higher then Aule as a craftsmen

[The Might]

I would say Enerdhil
He is the legendary craftsman of Gondolin rumored to have made the first (and possibly only) Elessar
The stone could heal things. Feanor failed at this, as he refused to give Yavanna the Silmarils so that she could heal the trees, and the whole world as well...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Good attempts, but you both did one thing which I didn't mean in my riddle: Fëanor refused, from his own free will, not to give the Silmarils to Yavanna. You might consider it as failure, but I meant by it that Fëanor didn't succeed in something even though he wanted to.

[The Might]

Aha, now that you mentiont that aspect, I believe I know who you mean, it's good old Gimli.

He managed to get a hair of Galadriel's, which Feanor didn't, although he asked.
And Gimli is also a craftsman, but of course not as good as Feanor.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Once again, correct, of course it was Gimli, precisely as you say.

[The Might]

Sorry about the time...
Who shares a name with a tree?

[Anáwiel]

Celeborn (the tree on Tol Eressea is named so, and the husband of Galadriel bears the same name)

[The Might]

Correct :)

[Anáwiel]

So, I guess it is my turn :) This one is easy, but I am not that good in trivia games as most of you :(
One elf (and his son) dwelt often as a guest in the dwarven mansions of Belegost and Nogrod and became skillful as a metalsmith. Who was that?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I swear, I wanted to give someone else a chance, but I just can't leave an unanswered thread to rest in peace...

Eöl and Maeglin, you mean?

[Anáwiel]

Correct. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Fine, nice one it was. So then...

...give me the surnames of at least three characters who - consciously or just indirectly - served the Enemy (so that it does not confuse you, you might just imagine "who were evil" instead of it).

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

(so that it does not confuse you, you might just imagine "who were evil" instead of it).
That bit really confused me!

Thalion
Turambar

hmm neither maeglin or Uldor seems to have a last name. . .neither does Saruman

Ok I have nothing so I am going to give a guess I am almost sertain is wrong, but my third guess will be

Gorlim the Unhappy

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No, no, Rune, in your case, it'd be perhaps better if I stayed just with the first formulation "served the Enemy, consciously or indirectly" :D Neither Húrin nor Túrin served the Enemy at any point. And I wouldn't call them "evil" as well. You might use these examples to show you where are the "borders" of the terms I used.

Also, note please, that neither Turambar, nor Thalion, and certainly not Unhappy are surnames. Or, at least not how I meant it. Surname is, well, the family name, the name you have common with your son or father or whatever.

If there are any further questions, please don't be afraid to ask :D

[The Might]

1. Barliman, Butterbur, who forgot about the message he was supposed to send and so indirectly helped the Nazgul track Frodo
2. Goatleaf, Harry and
3. Ferny, Bill who were suspected by Aragorn of doing work for the Nazgul

I also though about Hobbits, but none really helped Sauron
I actually had a more or less strange idea
It might also be that the Horblowers indirectly helped Sauron. Because of his cultivation of pipe-weed, it spread in the Shire and eventually even Saruman decided to purchase some. The squint-eyed Southerner that was on his way to Isengard to bring the pipe-weed was caught by the Nazgul and revealed precious information about The Shire and Baggins.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

No, no, Rune, in your case, it'd be perhaps better if I stayed just with the first formulation "served the Enemy, consciously or indirectly" :D Neither Húrin nor Túrin served the Enemy at any point. And I wouldn't call them "evil" as well. You might use these examples to show you where are the "borders" of the terms I used.

Also, note please, that neither Turambar, nor Thalion, and certainly not Unhappy are surnames. Or, at least not how I meant it. Surname is, well, the family name, the name you have common with your son or father or whatever.

If there are any further questions, please don't be afraid to ask :D
They sertainly did serve the enemy indirectly! Well in the sense that they served his purpose.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Good, good. Only I would except old Barney from it. Simply put: I'm looking for characters, who were evil and/or directly or indirectly served the Enemy. Barney was not evil, it was a mistake. The same on Túrin&co - their intention was not to do evil. Ah, yes, that's probably the best formulation: I'm seeking for three surnames of some who had evil intentions in mind. (and thus, indirectly served the Enemy)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

hehe thanks for clarifying. . .

Sackville-Baggins (debatable)
Wormtongue (or was he one of the enemies?)
Ferny