Character Trivia

[The Might]

You should try mentioning that in the beginning...;)
Ok, so you have two...
I'd add Baggins, Frodo
After he put on the Ring he became ensnared by it and definitely had evil intentions of controlling M-e; this served Sauron as he realised how close to destruction he was.

btw, I think Wormtongue is a title not a family name

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Wormtongue is not a family name, as far as I know.
Sackville-Bagginses are debatable, as you said. Of course, we would mean Lotho here. But from what we know about Hobbits, and even from what is said in the Scouring of the Shire, it seems that his intentions were not actually evil. So, furthermore, we are leaving all hobbits out of that.

So, I believe here it is stated at the point I wanted it to appear: we're looking for three surnames of some who had evil intentions in mind. We do not include any hobbit in that. I'm waiting for your answers ;)

EDIT: Cross-posted with TM. Frodo is another possibility, at the Sammath Naur point, but we might say, it was not his own will that was guiding him at that moment. He repented after that. I'm looking for some who didn't repent, I'm looking for some who really meant it (I think it was not Frodo's intention to rule Middle-Earth even at that moment), I'm looking for some, who would you really place into the rubric labeled "EVIL".

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Wormtongue is not a family name, as far as I know
No it is not, but you asked for a surname and that it is, just like Turambar is not a family name.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No it is not, but you asked for a surname and that it is, just like Turambar is not a family name.
And that's what I said earlier. Turambar or Wormtongue is... well... epitheton, or how would you call it. It's the problem of "surname" having seemingly more meanings in English, counting in even another name... I mean just "family name". So no Turambar, no Wormtongue, no Felagund...

[The Might]

Ok, so I have Goatleaf and Ferny so far.
And I need one more who did bad things and so helped Sauron.
But I can't find anyone, since all others have no family names, but titles or nicknames.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Yes, yes, Goatleaf and Ferny. However, the last one is the biggest trick. :) Hint: the answer is in the vicinage.

[The Might]

:) Eureka!
Bill Huggins!
I had almost forgotten that the troll actually had a family name...strange, isn't it?
And he did help Sauron, as he almost managed to kill Bilbo, which would have probably meant the failure of the Quest of Erebor.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Of course, poor professor Huggins. Uh... that's not how it was... never mind... so, please take the thread :)

[The Might]

Who owned a red axe?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Dáin, he fought with Azog with that one.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I hope you agree with my answer and did not mean any other fellow with red axe whom I don't know...

To hold with the topic, who owned a red shield? :)

[The Might]

Yes, that was correct.
Erkenbrand.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Quite obvious :D Please continue.

[The Might]

Please excuse the delay...
Here is a new one:

Who carried the banner of Rohan initially at the Pelennor Fields?

[Gil-Galad]

Please excuse the delay...
Here is a new one:

Who carried the banner of Rohan initially at the Pelennor Fields?


quite sure it was Gamling

[The Might]

Gamling wasn't even there...:D

[Aganzir]

As far as I remember it was Gúthlaf.

[The Might]

correct

[Aganzir]

Who carried the news that started the War of the Dwarves and the Orcs?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Náin I believe (I once wrote a cartoon about it :D )

EDIT: Baah, take it back. Actually, it was Nár, I checked it now. I knew it was some "Ná..."

[Aganzir]

Nár it was, yes.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Fine :) So... here's another one, a little bit changed to make it more interesting:

Who was the only one at Minas Tirith who could see the night breeze?

[The Might]

The Rohirrim, as Ugluk says they can see the night-breeze.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ha-hahahaaa, wrong. :)

Only to note: we are in Character Trivia, so it's only one individual.

And to clear it up a little bit more, I'm speaking of someone who was in Minas Tirith at the time of siege.

[Finduilas]

Could it be Denethor? I know there was some talk in Minis Tirith about his Palantir.

Or Shadowfax? Sometimes animals are said to be scared by things like that...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Finduilas is right! Here's the evidence:
[The Rohirrim] have better night-eyes than most Men, from all I've heard; and don't forget their horses! They can see the night-breeze, or so it's said.
Shadowfax was a horse of Rohan and was in Minas Tirith. TM, you were close, but Uglúk said this about the horses, and not men :)

Finduilas, please take the thread.

[Finduilas]

Thanks.

I couldn't think of a good question, so this will have to do...

What is the name of the Elf that met Frodo, Sam, and Pippin in the Shire?

[Beleg Cuthalion]

Thanks.

I couldn't think of a good question, so this will have to do...

What is the name of the Elf that met Frodo, Sam, and Pippin in the Shire?Gildor Inglorian I believe

Elen sila lumenn omentielvo.
Darn, now I have to think of something... http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/fragend/confused-smiley-010.gif

[Finduilas]

Aye, aye captian.

[Beleg Cuthalion]

Aye, aye captian.

ARrr Matey, set us a course for the white shores at world's end. ArrrHAhahahahhah!. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-056.gif

Ok I got one, it's pretty easy though: In the last battle when the world is old, who will be at Tulkas's left hand...?

[The Might]

Turin Turambar

[Beleg Cuthalion]

Turin Turambar

Arrr...

[The Might]

Arr Arr...
But who was at his right...?
*I guess Beleg knows*

[Beleg Cuthalion]

Arr Arr...
But who was at his right...?
*I guess Beleg knows*

Arrr, that I do. "and on his right hand shall be Eonwë"

[The Might]

Yes...still calle Fionwe back then

[Beleg Cuthalion]

Yes...still calle Fionwe back then Hmm... okeeey another easy one: who called the Mereth Aderthad?

[The Might]

I believe it was Fingolfin that organized that.

[Beleg Cuthalion]

I believe it was Fingolfin that organized that.

Arrr.

[The Might]

What Rohirrim sensed a change in the air?

[Finduilas]

Widfara?

[The Might]

yes

[Finduilas]

Who professed to never wanting to eat an apple again, after a certain "adventure"?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Wasn't it Kili? (I'm not sure now if it wasn't Fili...)

[Finduilas]

Um... well amusingly, I don't have the book with me, and I'm not totally sure either :o . Oh well, you can have it since you know.

[Beleg Cuthalion]

It was Fili (just so you know for sure).

[Finduilas]

lol. So sorry that I didn't know, but it seems as if two guesses are allowed, and Legate kind of guessed two, and therefore would have gotten it.

Thanks Beleg.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, I actually wasn't sure which one was it, but I knew it was one of them. But okay, let's have another.

Could you name some Middle-Earth's vegetarian? (Of course, the question is not based just on an assumption, but on real evidence from the books which explicitely states that someone was a vegetarian.)

[Finduilas]

Beorn. Unless vegetarians don't drink milk or eat honey...

[The Might]

Depends...Lacto-ovo vegetarianism means you also eat honey, milk and eggs, while veganism means none of them.
But I was thinking about Fangorn. I mean ent draughts are vegan, right?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

You are both right, though Finduilas was first. Since I said "vegetarian" in general, it may include people who drink milk etc. Actually, my first thought when I formed this question was Beorn. So, Finduilas, take the thread.

[Finduilas]

TM can have it since I just did, and I don't have any riddles at present.

Your thread The Might.

[The Might]

Well...thanks.
Who had an accident while carrying a load of rocks?

[Finduilas]

A quick question, are these confined to any particular books, if so which? I have seen what appear to be Silm, Hobbit, and LotR.

[The Might]

Well, since it's character trivia, I guess you can take any book (except HoMe though)

[Finduilas]

Haha. It's been ten days, and I claim this thread!

Might, go 'head and give us another.

[The Might]

Nah, try answering this one...
A tip: it's linked to the White Mountains...this should make it easy :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hey, I'm not sure now, but I remember something about a giant who had this accident and this way formed the Valley of Stone Wains... or how is it called in original... I don't know his name, though. Is it possible you mean him?

[The Might]

Yes, this is true, but I believe it is another valley.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

But is it true? Funnily enough, this is the first time something like that happened to me, but I don't know where the information can be found :) Not that I generally have to look it up, but normally I know where to find it to check... I guess the story comes from some improbable source, like HoME... which would mean that you contradict your own post above. *points up about four or five posts earlier*

[The Might]

Well, folk say many things. ;)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Indeed, I looked it up. It's Tarlang's neck, so the fella was Tarlang the Giant.

And I may add that especially this was very mean from you, because poor Finduilas (and who knows how many others) may have racked her brain while trying to find the information in any source EXCEPT FOR HoME, about which you explicitely said that it cannot be used as a source... oh well...

[The Might]

Of course

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, something simple for a change.

Can you name me a hobbit guerilla leader? (and no, I don't want to hear about Merry or Pippin here)

P.S. TM, you have a riddle to post in First Age Trivia about a month ;)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

OK I really cannot remember, but was Pippin's father Paladin not Thain at the time and leading some sort of resistance with the other Tooks.

[Morthoron]

Fredegar 'Fatty' Bolger (not so fat after he was freed from the 'Lockholes').

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Yup, it was the well-known Robin Hood-like figure, Fatty Bolger, who I was looking for. Rune, you are also right about the Tooks, but Fatty was explicitely mentioned in the connection with a "rebel band".

Dark Elf, please continue the thread.

[Morthoron]

Name another king besides Gil-Galad and Elendil that died in the War of the Last Alliance.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What about Oropher? ;)

Or Malgalad (Amdír?).

[Morthoron]

What about Oropher? ;)

Or Malgalad (Amdír?).

Either Oropher or Amdir would be acceptable. Please continue.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Either Oropher or Amdir would be acceptable. Please continue.
Thanks. Good one, btw. ;)

What about this: Who was the only one to realize that there's a real possibility to be caught and eaten, despite the person was not cooked, as some others were?

:D

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

2 things. . .

And don't get me wrong I am not mad about not getting the thread I just want to point something out.

1. you said "a hobbit guerilla leader?" this sugests that there is more than one and therefor several answers. and Guerilla is an independent/irregular armed force. Normaly connected with Guerilla warfare. As far as I can see there is nothing that points towards the rebels being more guerilla like forces than the tooks. . .and I do belive the Thain is also mentioned when Frodo and the gang gets an update on the state of the shire.

It would just please me if you could word you question in a way that there is no doubt that you are thinking of one specifick person.

2. Whatch out that you do not turn every quiz into a "cryptic clues" or "riddle".

anyways I am pussled by this one. . .it of course leads one thoughts to the company of Thorin Oakenshield, but it does not seem to fit.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

1. Sorry, but if you take it as how it's written, then Thain is mentioned separately and it does not necessarily mean he has anything to do with the Tooks who shoot the ruffians. There is said that he didn't like Lotho, and when Lotho send men after him, Tooks started to shoot. But then the Thain is not mentioned to have any connection with that (of course he probably had, but it's not written there).
And mainly, and the most important is, since there were two answers posted here, and the answer I was looking for was Fatty, I could choose, and I chose Fatty.

2. Don't worry, it's not anything like that. It's exactly the same as if I said "Who was the one who realized that Gollum is tracking the Fellowship?" Yup, you are right that this riddle is a little bit nontypical, but it reflects normal statements in the book, nothing cryptic. I.e. you'll find it in the book and say "yes, this is him."

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

So the answer would be Gollum?

As he knew that Shelob was living at Cirith Ungol and he was not "cooked" like Frodo was when she poisoned him.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

But Frodo was not cooked. Frodo was poisoned, you yourself said it.

The question is exactly as I wrote it. I now understand what you meant by saying to be careful that the question is not turned into a riddle, if you thought I mean something like that, then you were indeed mistaken. :p

[Narawen_Eluchil]

Balin, Lord of Moria

[Beanamir of Gondor]

See, my first thought was Bilbo, because of the trolls arguing over how best to cook him. However I don't have my copy of The Hobbit with me, and something's making me think "caught and eaten" is more specific... maybe it's one of the dwarves. I'll have to check back.

[Rikae]

Thorin? Wasn't he the last to come up to the group of trolls, and realised the danger?
Not that anyone was actually cooked, though, so I suppose this is wrong...

[Gil-Galad]

i was going to say Bilbo but he has already been said... and now i want to say Bombur because when he got captured by the spiders of Mirkwood he was being constantly poked while the other dwarves were poisoned by the spiders...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nah, all your answers are wrong. One hint: what am I saying in the question is absolutely true and is 100% according to the book. And it is no metaphore or something like that. Quite the opposite (and that's the main thing on which the riddle is based): I am interpretating the book literally.

[noldon]

which book(s)?

Gandalf, directly before Moria and Beorn's home. The wolves were cooked both times.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

But in that case, Gandalf was not the only one to realize that he and the Dwarves can be caught and eaten. The Dwarves realized it too. And the Wolves (<= note for WW players: see?) were not cooked, they were... well... roasted. So, no.

My question was

Who was the only one to realize that there's a real possibility to be caught and eaten; despite the person was not cooked, as some others were?
The italicised words are important. They are exactly (in different forms or tenses, maybe) in the book.

And it is one book and I won't tell you which one, only I can ensure you that it's not any History of the Middle-Earth or something like that.

[Gil-Galad]

well all of our guesses are from the Hobbit and i jut finished reading it yesterday and i'm raking my brain on it...

also i'm assuming its a person we haven't said yet....

i'm going to pull this out of my hat and say.... Master of Lake-Town? he fled the town when smaug was attacking because he knew that the dragon would deal major damage... and smaug did burn the town thus burning some people

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No, it's not the Master of Lake-Town. You have now the advantage that you read the whole Hobbit now, so you have enough information to decide if the answer can be found in the Hobbit or not.

As I said, you can find these exact words in the book where it is located (about cooking, and about being caught and eaten).

[Gil-Galad]

so it is not any of the following then?

Bilbo
Balin
Gandalf
Gollum
Bombur
Master of Lake-Town
Thorin


that does not leave many characters left... and you better not be making me go through all of the dwarves of the company...

i beleive it was Thror, grandfather of Thorin? or father...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I will say it plainly and simply. You are absolutely correct, Gil-Galad, in your thoughts that it does not fit with any person from the Hobbit. Because the person is not from the Hobbit.

So here you have it, now you can start thinking who the heck it is :)

[Gil-Galad]

you are confounding me... first you say i have an advantage by recently reading the hobbit, now you are saying its not from the hobbit...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

you are confounding me... first you say i have an advantage by recently reading the hobbit, now you are saying its not from the hobbit...

Yup, I meant you have the advantage that you can see for yourself that nothing such as this is in the Hobbit;)

[Finduilas]

I could so easily be wrong...

What about Frodo or Sam, in the Old Forest, when Merry and Pippin were caught in the willow, and they(Frodo and Sam) started a fire, the willow being who was cooked, and ... ? In that case it would be Frodo or Sam, can't remember which, who was the only one on gaurd.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No. And to give you some hint, the ones who were cooked were quite many.

[Shards of Narsil]

Legate, its been two months and nothing on this. Maybe another small hint is in order?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Whoops... okay.

Just to repeat the question:
Who was the only one to realize that there's a real possibility to be caught and eaten; despite the person was not cooked, as some others were?

This means:

a) there was a certain situation, moment or place in the story.
b) at that certain situation, moment or place, whatever you wish, there were some, let's say, folks. One of them was the one I am asking about. The others were quite many. Some of them, if we trust the info we are given in the book, at the situation, moment or place that I am referring to, are cooked.
c) But our subject was the only one who realized that there is REALLY a possibility that someone will catch and eat them.

Italicised words are exactly in the book, as I quote them, at that situation, moment or place.
Though, there is a trick: you have to think deeply. When I say if we trust the info we are given in the book, it does not necessarily mean that the narrator is the one who is providing the information. It could be a subjective opinion of some character(s). However, if the narrator does not say his opinion on that, technically nothing prevents us from trusting it.

I know it's tricky, and I won't wonder if anyone had the idea to hit me with something hard after learning the answer. But that's for creative thinking.

And it is from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

[The Might]

'Maggots!' jeered the Isengarders. 'You're cooked. The Whiteskins will catch you and eat you. They're coming!'



In case this is the part you reffer to, I already thought about it some time ago, but since you always said the only one, I thought you meant a single person.
Also I think this doesn't really fit. I mean the Isengarders are the ones who are not cooked, unlike the Northerners. But the Isengarders never realised that they could be caught and eaten, but that the Northerners would be.
So you see, it's very confusing...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

The question was: Who was the only one to realize that there's a real possibility to be caught and eaten; despite the person was not cooked, as some others were?

That was only one person, and the first part is the important one.

[The Might]

Dunno, maybe Grishnakh?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Good, it was Grishnákh.

It was all about this moment:

"Maggots!" jeered the Isengarders. "You're cooked. The Whiteskins will catch you and eat you. They're coming!"
A cry from Grishnákh showed that this was not mere jest.

So, taking all of it literally: we are told (by the Isengarders) that the mountain-maggots are cooked. Grishnákh is not one of them, so he is not cooked, of course. But he is the one who points out that the horsemen are indeed approaching, which would mean (again, if we trust the Isengarders) that they'll catch them and eat them.

It was a little bit of playing with logic, but here you go :) Please, take the thread.

[The Might]

Still doesn't make sense to me.
It would mean in my opinion that someone who was not cooked realised that those who are cooked will be caught and eaten.

Maybe a bit more clarity next time...

Who set sail only after the sun set?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Maybe a bit more clarity next time...
Yup, surely, it was just a try to do it somewhat different. Not much succesful, indeed.

Who set sail only after the sun set?
Hmm... would it help if I know who it was not? :)

I'm thinking Eärendil, in which case it would not mean literally, but at the moment when he was risen to the skies (rising after sunset).

[The Might]

Not the correct answer.

[Thinlómien]

Possibly Tilion?

[The Might]

That could also be an answer, if you consider he is sailing with the vessel of the moon, but I am referring to sailing in normal ships.

Plus, we know Tilion didn't always stick to the plan.

[Gil-Galad]

Well gandalf, Elrond and galadriel all left when they deemed teh 4th age to be "the age of man"... but it could be Cirdan too who was the last to leave.

[The Might]

Sorry, but I'm going to need an explanation.
Though you are close...actually I thought you'd figure out it must have something to do with Belegaer.

[The Might]

Well, trying to revive some Quiz threads right now, so a hint: it did have something to do with Elves. :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

*stops*

Hmm... that's not much of a hint, TM, as it was rather obvious. Don't you have anything better?

[The Might]

Well...I disagree.
The question was who sets sail only after sundown, and my tip was Elves.
hmmm...wonder who it could be? :rolleyes:
Actually I thought the hint would solve it.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, Gil said Círdan (or something like that) and you said he is "close" (which I understand the way that it's not correct). I could say Teleri, but it will be merely guessing. Checking the places where I thought some information could have been, I didn't find anything.

[The Might]

Close not because of Cirdan's origin, but because of his function. ;)

[Thinlómien]

Now I can't think of anything except Elvish smugglers... :rolleyes: But creatively thinking, could that be even close to the correct answer?

[The Might]

Well, yes it is Elves, but why smugglers?

[The Might]

Why isn't anyone interested in this one anymore?

[Nerwen]

Because we need a hint.:)

[The Might]

Ok, so it is Elves.
But which Elves?
When do Elves leave in a certain direction only after sunset?

[Nerwen]

Well... do you just mean Elves sailing West?

[The Might]

Indeed.

The 'immortals' who were permitted to leave Middle-earth and seek Aman – the undying lands of Valinor and Eressëa, an island assigned to the Eldar – set sail in ships specially made and hallowed for this voyage, and steered due West towards the ancient site of these lands. They only set out after sundown. (Letter #325)I was thinking you could figure out it had to be the Elves sailing West sooner. :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Pah! Letter! :rolleyes:

Sir, my view of you has certainly gone low after this one. Of course one would say Elves, but I never saw that to be said in the books. No wonder: it wasn't.

*shakes head and leaves*

[Nerwen]

Who brought the shards of Narsil to Valandil?

[McCaber]

Was it Ohtar?

[Nerwen]

Yes, it was. Please continue.

[McCaber]

What was Gil-Galad's weapon?

[Nerwen]

Aeglos.

[McCaber]

Take it.

[Nerwen]

Who was the Eagle of the Star?

[Thinlómien]

Aragorn

[Nerwen]

Of course.:)

Your turn.

[Thinlómien]

There were three siblings who shared a hair colour that was rare for their kin. Who were they?

[Nerwen]

Maedhros, Amrod and Amras.

[Thinlómien]

Of course. :D Your thread.

[Nerwen]

Who was killed by Felaróf?

[Thinlómien]

Léod, I believe.

[Nerwen]

And you'd be right.

Who was Aragorn's maternal grandfather?

[Thinlómien]

Dírhael.

Even though it was my turn to ask, you know. :p ;)

:D

[Nerwen]

Oops!:o

I was in a hurry when I typed that.

Ask me TWO questions! Then we'll be even.

[Thinlómien]

Don't worry. :) I think I'll ask just one question. (Of course if it happens to be you who answers it, I can ask you another one as well. ;))

Who was the chief of Elrond's councillors?

[Gil-Galad]

Glorfindel was it not?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What about Erestor? Though I'm not 100% sure if this was his task.

[Thinlómien]

I think the status of Glorfindel could be discussed and argued, but it is clearly stated that: Beside Glorfindel there were several other councellors of Elrond's household, of whom Erestor was the chief...Now I'm not sure if we can assume Erestor's position is higher than Glorfindel's based on this, but as Glorfindel is never named the chief of any councellors (as far as I know), I think we can safely call Erestor the chief of Elrond's councellors and thus Legate is correct. So, take thread, Leggie. :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So, take thread, Leggie. :)

Who does she call "Leggie", I wonder :)

All right, the next question:
Who wanted to have orcish skin?

[Quempel]

Sorry I read this and the first thought that popped into my mind was 'Paris Hilton'.

[Finduilas]

I'll go with Sam. It was either about bitting flys or thorns, I haven't got a book (I think Folwren stole it for the day) so I can't look it up.

[The Might]

Not an answer, cause I think Finduilas is right about that, but I had an idea.

What about the "Leggie and Miggy" show? :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What about the "Leggie and Miggy" show? :D

That doesn't sound too bad :D

And Finduilas is right. Finduilas, you may continue.

[Finduilas]

Right. Thanks.

Who's wail kept some group of people (dwarves, elves, hobbits, or men) from praising their leaders good shot at a deer?

[The Might]

Before they could shout in praise of the shot, however, a dreadful wail from Bilbo put all thoughts of venison out of their minds. "Bombur has fallen in! Bombur is drowning!"

It is Bilbo that kept the Dwarves from praising Thorin's shot.

[Thinlómien]

What about the "Leggie and Miggy" show?No, no, no, that doesn't sound.. symmetric enough, if you know what I mean: it should be either "Leggy and Miggy show" or "Leggie and Miggie show"... ;) And this is horrible, but the name "Miggie" reminds me of Mickey Mouse... :eek: But as long as it's not Miggey I think it'll be alright... :p

Well, erm, anyway, Finduilas, do go on, I'm sure we're all eager to see the next question.

[Finduilas]

The Might is indeed correct.

Have a go, Miggie.... :D

[The Might]

Who was suspicious of Frodo because his mother was a Brandybuck?

[Nerwen]

Lobelia Sackville-Baggins.

[The Might]

No, or at least not what I was looking for.

[Nerwen]

Old Noakes of Bywater, then.

[The Might]

yes

[TheGreatElvenWarrior]

What's the next question then?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Neerween... haalooo...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Give me the name of the mariner who sailed the Entulesë

[Ibrîniðilpathânezel]

Veantur. I wrote a novel using "entulesse" in the title. :)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Right you are. . .I thought it was a semi-hard question, but you proved me wrong. Not even my wrong spelling of the ships name threw you off :)


The thread is yours

[Ibrîniðilpathânezel]

Who was Lathspell?

(Not a toughie, but my brain's a mite frozen, with the blizzard outside. :) )

[Nerwen]

Gandalf

[Ibrîniðilpathânezel]

Quite right! And I hand off to you so I can go hunker down out of the cold for the night. Nasty things, blizzards.

[Nerwen]

Funny– over here we've got a drought. I tell you, the water restrictions are getting so tight, it's like being in "Dune".

How did Hunthor die?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

A rock fell on his head. And he fell down into the chasm.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

This is starting to annoy me. . .I might now the answers, but I never see the questions before Legate has answered.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

This is starting to annoy me. . .I might now the answers, but I never see the questions before Legate has answered.

Sorry :(

But you can still always answer my questions ;) :p

But, you know, lately I did not answer to anything for some time and no one posted still, so...

[Nerwen]

Legate, you are, of course, correct. Your turn.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay. Who did not become a dragon, but became a jackdaw?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I can of course only talk about when I am around. . . it might be that you don't answer all the time, then I am just unlucky.

Anyways it was mostly said in jest, it was just frustrating looking at a question, knowing the answer and then as one clicks on "reply" up pops your post with the answer.

Now moving on to your question. . .it was Saruman

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

See? You are doing well. So you can now post the next, so that I answer it, and... :smokin:

:D

No, of course, that was a joke. Anyone can try. (But I'll be first ;) )

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Give me the name of the charachter who died in the same battle as his brother Faramir.

[Gil-Galad]

Artamir.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Correct

[Manwathiel]

can i ask a question?

Why is Treebeard on nobodys side?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

can i ask a question?

Well, normally we try to *bump* the thread and if the person (in this case Gil-Galad) does not react, then anybody can ask a question.

Of course this is the unofficial rules, there is a guideline for what to do on the forum, but I cannot remember them right now.

Anyways I don't think Gil will mind you taking over this thread.

[Manwathiel]

Thank you:)

[Gil-Galad]

Well, normally we try to *bump* the thread and if the person (in this case Gil-Galad) does not react, then anybody can ask a question.

Of course this is the unofficial rules, there is a guideline for what to do on the forum, but I cannot remember them right now.

Anyways I don't think Gil will mind you taking over this thread.

the rule is to wait ten days. usually we give a good two weeks with *bump* posts.

no for our newcomer, i shall grant him(or her) the pleasure of asking the next question

[The Might]

Boring...
Ok, so who was the person that stepped through a door although it felt that it's doom was waiting on that path?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Halbarad?

(Why am I answering?)

[The Might]

Why are you right? :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I know couldn't think of anything good :)

Name at least one Maia who might have been of the folk of Mandos.

[Nerwen]

Either it's Pallando (in one version) or that's a trick question.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

It is Pallando :)

[Nerwen]

To whom was the Gaffer apprenticed?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh yes, I know. "I wasn't long the apprentice of old Holman (he was the cousin of my father's)" or something like that (I don't know the quote in original, but the name should be it) :)

[Nerwen]

You have it.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, something interesting. Name an Orc who actually spoke aloud some thoughts concerning the metaphysical nature of the M-E universe.

And I would like at least some backup of your guess (or even actual quote, but that's not necessary, just a brief outline will do), not just a name, as I would consider that just a blind shot and not count it.

[Gollum the Great]

Is this a trick question?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What do you call "trick"? No, it is not. It is a normal question, one Orc indeed did it.

[Gollum the Great]

Is this in LOTR?

[Eönwë]

Yes, but sadly I can't remember the name now:mad:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Try to search - there's not that many Orcs in Tolkien's works after all, at least not many who speak and could get into such deep discussions :)

[Gollum the Great]

Finrod Felagund, in the Orc guise and transformation spell after being questioned by Sauron

[Nerwen]

Is it Gorbag?

He says that the Nazgûl

"...skin the body off you as soon as look at you, and leave you all cold in the dark on the other side."

showing that he knows about the spirit-world.

He also discusses the set-up with Shagrat– though I should call it more political than metaphysical:

"As I said, the Big Bosses, ay," his voice sank almost to a whisper, "ay even the Biggest, can make mistakes (...) And we've got to look out. Always the poor Uruks to put things to rights, and small thanks. But don't forget: the enemies don't love us any more than they love Him, and if they get topsides on Him, we're done too."

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Yes, the first one with the "other side" is what I meant. Your turn, Nerwen. Well done! :)

[Gollum the Great]

Mine was sort of right

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Mine was sort of right

Could be, but not sure whether he really spoke about metaphysical things. But mainly, it was not the question I had in mind. However, Nerwen should show up soon, and if she doesn't show up in the limit, you are eventually allowed to continue with the thread.

[Nerwen]

And here she is.

Who greatly prized the iron that came from the Mine of Anghabar?

[Gollum the Great]

Maeglin son of Eol the Dark Elf loved that metal

[Nerwen]

Yes, he did.

Your turn.

[Gollum the Great]

We rockses!


Hang on....

[Gollum the Great]

This shouldn't be too difficult.

Who was almost slain after chasing after a woman?

[Gollum the Great]

Anyone in the graveyard?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

*sigh* I didn't want to start that... but you probably mean Andróg?

[Azaghâl]

That is the only name I could come up with as well. I kept my mouth shut because to say he was "almost slain" seems a bit far-fetched.

From the Narn:
"But as he stood looking down in amaze at the blood [of Forweg] upon the grass, Androg came out, and halted also astounded. 'Evil work, Neithan!' he cried, and drew his sword; but Turin's mood ran cold, [...]."

[Gollum the Great]

Right

Please continue, fellow phantom.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right...

...something simple...

...what about: who hid himself in abandoned dwarven mines? (Please read well what I say. The mines were already abandoned when that one came there!)

[The Might]

Aha, it was Arvedui :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh, seems my activity awakened even Miggy... or summoned him from long sleep... :D

Quite, of course, how would it be possible for you not to get it right? :) Take the thread, please!

[The Might]

Yeah, a bit like the dwarves do with the Balrog you manage to disturb me from time to time enough so that I finally make a post in here.
Hmmm... must think of a good character question...

Ok... name me the spouse of she, who could have been queen. ;)

[Eönwë]

Is this from lotr? (I don't think it is, but you never know)

[Gollum the Great]

Hmmmmm....
If you mean the ruling queen, I'll go with Ar-Pharazon the Golden.

[Azaghâl]

And I'd go with Arvedui again, this time as Firiel's husband.

[The Might]

Both wrong.

[Azaghâl]

Could it be Tar-Aldarion then?

[The Might]

No

[Azaghâl]

Well, another idea then, could Idril have been a Queen in Gondolin, say if Turgon had been killed in the Nirnaeth?

[The Might]

No, also not.
Tip: what I mean is this person's wife would have become queen in another time

[Azaghâl]

Not sure exactly what "another time" is supposed to mean but, Elatan of Andunië?

[Morthoron]

It was Silmarien who did not succeed her father, Tar-Elendil. The laws of Numenorean succession were later changed, allowing first-born daughters to rule as queens. In any case, Silmarien begat a line of Kings in her own right, for it was from her that the Lords of Andunie would eventually become Kings of Gondor and Arnor.

Oh yeah, and I almost forgot, she married Elatan -- which I guess would be the answer.

[The Might]

Well done Morthoron, good explanation but Azaghâl beat you to it.
So, Azaghâl, pos a new one! ;)

[Azaghâl]

I'll try to think of something. If anyone has an idea before I do, please feel free to take the thread.

[Nerwen]

*bump*

Azaghâl?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It's been more than a month, I guess someone else can take it right now.

No, not me! Do not tempt me!

[Mekor Karun]

Alright, since no one seems willing to take the helm, i suppose i will. Where were the Palantiri when Frodo first set out from Hobbiton?

[Pitchwife]

One in the tower of Elostirion on Emyn Beraid, two lost in the Icebay of Forochel, one in Orthanc, one in Minas Tirith, one lost in the waters of Anduin, one in Barad-dûr.

[The Might]

I fully agree with Pitchwife, I'm just pointing out here that since you have not specified that these must be the palantiri of M-e one could also add the Master-stone in the Tower of Avallone on Tol Eressea.

[Mekor Karun]

BIngo, Pitchwife, and good point, the might. Pitchwife's turn.

[Pitchwife]

Thanks!
Name a one-eyed, limping Dwarf.

[The Might]

Wow, seriously, I don't know if this is too easy and I'm just too dumb to notice the obivous answer, or if it's that hard that I just don't know enough lore, but I cannot come up with any answer for this.

A small hint perhaps?

[Pitchwife]

Hint: he's quite prominent, but his physical handicap is only mentioned once. In LotR.

[The Might]

Wow, Pitchwife, you never stop amazing me! Without the tip for LotR I still would be searching. :D

The answer is Thráin II, who was injured at the battle of Azanulbizar.

None the less in the morning Thráin stood before them. He had one eye blinded beyond cure, and he was halt with a leg-wound; but he said: 'Good! We have the victory. Khazad-dûm is ours! ' ~ Appendix A of LotR, Durin's Folk

I'll have to dig through the books long and hard to find something matching this question!

[Pitchwife]

Correct, of course! And don't think I doubted for a moment that you'd get it.:)
(Want to know how I came up with this? Opened the book on a random page and picked the first detail that looked obscure enough. Maybe you'd like to try the method...;))

[The Might]

Who could help Elves heading south?

I have by the way used the method you suggested and it was the best I could come up with given the page I was on.

And also, Pitchwife, I like your sig! :)

[The Might]

Nobody? Want some help?

[Pitchwife]

I've got an idea... Elves heading south, as in, Tuor and the exiles of Gondolin on their march to Sirion's Mouth via Nan-tathren? In this case, the helper would be Ulmo, whose power was in the great stream and protected them (or words to that effect). Is that it?

[The Might]

Well, the answer does indeed make sense, but it's not what I had in mind.

I'm thinking Third Age. :)

[Pitchwife]

Ah... then maybe the Elves are Amrod, Nimrodel and company heading from Lórien to Edhellond? UT, History of Galadriel and Celeborn:
'If she [Nimrodel] came through the settled lands of Gondor', they said, 'she would not be molested, and might receive help; for the Men of Gondor are good[...]'
So the answer would simply be 'Men of Gondor'?

[The Might]

:eek:

You apparently have a palantir of your own with which to find the answer within the works.

I have not expected this to go this quickly... thread is yours!

[Pitchwife]

You apparently have a palantir of your own with which to find the answer within the works.
Grrr...you found me out!
Apparently Feanor had his apprentices make some small-scale models in imitation of the stones he made himself. Don't ask me how they survived all the cataclysms of the intervening ages, but occasionally they're still sold as marbles at car-boot sales - that's where I got mine. Works perfectly, but it hurts your eyes trying to read a book in it.

Speaking of books:
Which person of royalty was famous for making books with his own hands?

[The Might]

Hmm...

The only that I can come up with right now is Merry.

The first part - he was "royalty" I guess since he was the Master of Buckland after all, and part of the ruling house of Buckland.

The second part - from all the people that I could think of he is the only one that made several books, all other "royalties" wrote just one for example Elendil with the Akallabêth. Merry at least wrote the Herblore of the Shire, Old Words and Names in the Shire, the Reckoning of Years and contributed to the Tale of Years.

[Pitchwife]

Nice thought about Merry, but sorry, no. You've got to think of somebody way more exalted - I do mean royalty as in 'a house of kings'.
Elendil, although he wrote only that one book (that we know of), is warmer.

[The Might]

Ha-ha, I found it! Thing is I was concetrating on books that we know more of, such as those written by Merry, but I realised that it's not really necessary to know what the books were exactly.

As such, the answer seems to be Tar-Elendil (so that's why Elendil was so "warm" :D), of whom the following is said in the UT, The Line of Elros: Kings of Númenor:

He was also called Parmaitë, for with his own hand he made many books and legends of the lore gathered by his grandfather.

[Pitchwife]

See? You don't need a palantír after all! Tar-Elendil it is. Take it away!

(Btw, you realize we two have been playing ping-pong with this thread for over a month now? I wonder where everybody else is - hopefully we haven't scared them away?!:()

[The Might]

Yes, you're right about the ping-pong part, but I used to have that with Legate a lot, after a while others will join in, it's always like that. :D

Who grabbed her spouse by the beard?

I was trying to go with "its spouse" but I realised it would be pointless. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nah, obvious! Silly me was thinking about it for several minutes, thinking who the heck could that have been, whether some Morwen or whoever (trying to figure out which Men had beards), but of course it's Goldberry.

[The Might]

I start suspecting that Legate is in fact Voldemort. I just happen to say his name in here and POOF! he already gives a correct answer. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I start suspecting that Legate is in fact Voldemort. I just happen to say his name in here and POOF! he already gives a correct answer. :D

Mu ha ha ha ha ha ha!

*Makes a Horcrux out of the 'Downs* (Hey, that would be cool, wouldn't it? I'd like to see poor Harry try to destroy it - no chance!)

Ha, I haven't been doing this for a long time. Sooo... let's try it this way.

Who had cast his/her own greatest and most beloved treasure into a pit?

[Loslote]

Maglor cast the Silmaril into a pit when he realized that he no longer had a claim to it.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Good try (and welcome to the 'Downs btw!), and I might also add that it surprises me that it took so long for somebody to try this answer, because I have been expecting it far more early. However, as you might have figured from my way of writing, this is not the answer I am looking for. Because, actually, the person who cast the Silmaril into a pit was Maedhros, not Maglor, but neither of the names is the correct answer for this question anyway. Because Maglor cast his Silmaril into the Sea, not into a pit, whereas Maedhros cast himself into the pit along with the Silmaril. And the person who I am talking about didn't cast itself in there, just the abovementioned "his/her own greatest and most beloved treasure".

(I think it could also be argued whether the Silmaril could be called their "most beloved treasure" at the time.)

But do not let the unsuccessful attempt scare you away :) It is nice to see "new blood" in the Quiz Room.

[Mnemosyne]

Could also be argued that Sam's pans weren't his most prized possession (after all, he kept Galadriel's dirt) at the time when he pitched them into that pit in Mordor... but that's what came to mind for me...

So count that as a guess.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

And indeed that's what I meant. :) Good! Take the thread, Mnemo.

As for the dirt, good point, I didn't think of that. But anyway, it could truly be argued, but Sam had a really hard time parting with his pans, and certainly it had been his most prized possession for all the journey before he got Galadriel's gift, and for all his former life, it seems.

[Mnemosyne]

And indeed that's what I meant. :) Good! Take the thread, Mnemo.

As for the dirt, good point, I didn't think of that. But anyway, it could truly be argued, but Sam had a really hard time parting with his pans, and certainly it had been his most prized possession for all the journey before he got Galadriel's gift, and for all his former life, it seems.

And depending on how you define "possession"... well, Sam certainly wasn't going to pitch his master into the crevasse...

Although that's a really funny mental picture.

It'll take a bit but I'll figure out something.

[Mnemosyne]

Who is really good with accents?