Family Tree Trivia

[Eruwen]

So, everyone who has read LOTR knows that there is a family tree of the Hobbits and others in the Appendices. There is also a few in The Silmarillion. I'm sure there are more in other books as well. This is a trivia to find which family member this person is. I'll start, and anyone can answer after that.

Ok. This one should be quite easy.

..:*In what relation is Arwen to Galadriel and Celeborn?*:..

Believe me, there is one. I found this out today.

[Pallando B.C]

Galadriel and Celeborn had a daughter named Celebrian. She married Elrond and they had Arwen. So Galadriel is Arwen's grandmother. smilies/wink.gif

[ December 03, 2002: Message edited by: Pallando B.C ]

[Eruwen]

Right. Sorry it took me so long to reply. Your turn.

[Pallando B.C]

Ok, if I were Elwing, what would Elwë be to me?

[Tower of Moon and Shadow]

The best I can tell it woul be your great Grandfather He and Melian had Luthien= Beren they had Dior He i belive married Nimolth And had Elwing or something like that
smilies/smile.gif

[Pallando B.C]

Correct, you may proceed.

[Tower of Moon and Shadow]

In what way are Holman and Marigold linked Names please smilies/evil.gif smilies/evil.gif smilies/frown.gif smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/cool.gif smilies/confused.gif

[ December 06, 2002: Message edited by: Tower of Moon and Shadow ]

[Pallando B.C]

In what way are Holman and Marigold linked Names please

I think they are linked when Marigold married Tolman Cotton. Holman is Tolman's father, so Marigold is Holman's daughter-in-law.

[Tower of Moon and Shadow]

That would be correct smilies/evil.gif

[Pallando B.C]

What relation is Turin to Tuor?

[Tower of Moon and Shadow]

its his its his mothers,fathers,brothers daughters,son smilies/evil.gif smilies/smile.gif

[Eruwen]

Would all of that mean it would be his 3rd cousin? I'm just trying to figure all of that out. Whoa... smilies/eek.gif

[Pallando B.C]

You have to be more specific, Tower of Moon and Shadow. Think of their father's and it is really not that complicated.

[Tower of Moon and Shadow]

I belive that makes them third cousins

[Pallando B.C]

Sorry, incorrect.

[the real findorfin]

Hurin and Huor are brothers.

Turin his Hurin's son, Tuor is Huor's son.

This makes them 1st Cousins!

[Pallando B.C]

Good Job, the real findorfin.

It was pretty easy wasn't it.

[the real findorfin]

yeh, quite easy (but only if you know!)

Name Elendil's father and grand-father.

[Tower of Moon and Shadow]

Amindal is his father.Vardamir is his grand father

[the real findorfin]

Yes I suppose, but wrong Elendil. I was referring to the Lord of Andunie that escaped the Sinking of Numenor, not the King of Numenor many centuries before.

sorry for the confusion!

[Pallando B.C]

Tower of Moon and Shadow seems to be on a holiday, so I will continue, since this topic is good!

Which marriage connected the Houses of Olwë and Elwë?

[the real findorfin]

Elrond and Celebrian?

Elrond was Elwe's great,great grandson and Celebrian was Olwe's great grandaughter.

By the way, no one has correctly answered my question, Who were Elendil's (as in isildur's father) Father and Grandfather?

[Pallando B.C]

You are correct.

Also, the answer to your question is ( I think):

Vardamir
I
Amandil
I
Elendil

[Pallando B.C]

It's your go, the real findorfin

[the real findorfin]

Thats still not right!

Amandil is correct but Vardamir was not his father, who was????

[Pallando B.C]

Someone from the Lords of Andúnië?

Maybe Arendell?

[ December 19, 2002: Message edited by: Pallando B.C ]

[the real findorfin]

Yes, a Lord of Andunie (they all were!). If nobody gets it before tomorrow I'll tell you!

[Pallando B.C]

Gee, I feel dumb.

But I can't remember reading it, and it's not recorded anywhere in my books.

Ok, last guess....Valandil

[ December 20, 2002: Message edited by: Pallando B.C ]

[the real findorfin]

Nope, heres the answer, but I don't know where I got it from! I did family trees of all he major lines a while back but have forgotten the source.

NUMENDIL
|
AMANDIL
|
ELENDIL

Good guesses though! I suppose Pallando it is your turn!
(gloats...nobody got my question, heehee)

[Pallando B.C]

Good job, It's hard to trick people here.

Ok, If I was Gimli, who who be my Great Uncle's Grandfather?

[the real findorfin]

Oh damn, I'm only good at elvish and mannish family trees, darn!

I guess I'll have to leave it.

[Beren87]

Would it be Borin?

[Pallando B.C]

Yes, well done!

[Beren87]

Thank ye!

Who was the mother of Saradoc Brandybuck?

[Thengise Greenleaf of Mirkwood]

Would the mother be Menegilda Goold?

[Beren87]

Well...Menegilda Brandybuck, because she married before having the children I assume, but yes.

[Thengise Greenleaf of Mirkwood]

Oops sorry, but thanks for giving it to me.

Who's the grandmother of Lotho Sackville-Baggins on his father's side?

[Pallando B.C]

Longo?

[Thengise Greenleaf of Mirkwood]

Close! Though that would be his grandfather not his grandmother.

[Beren87]

Would it be Camellia Sackville?

[ December 27, 2002: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[Thengise Greenleaf of Mirkwood]

Yep that's correct!

[Beren87]

Wonderful!

Who was Esmeralds Took's great-grandfather's grandfather's brother?

[Thengise Greenleaf of Mirkwood]

Umm...father's or mother's side?

[Beren87]

Fathers side.

[Thengise Greenleaf of Mirkwood]

Would that be Bandobras Took?

[Beren87]

Yep! Bullroarer it is!

[Thengise Greenleaf of Mirkwood]

Who are Celebrian's great-grandfathers on her mother's side?

[busybee]

Hello people! OK I think i have the answer

Olwe of Alqualonde & Elwe are her great Grandfathers
I
Earwen
I
Galadriel
I
Celebrian

[ December 28, 2002: Message edited by: busybee ]

[ December 28, 2002: Message edited by: busybee ]

[Beren87]

Is she correct Thengise? *bumps to top*

[Thengise Greenleaf of Mirkwood]

Oops sorry! I had forgotten that I had the last question here. That is partially correct Busybee, but I had said on her mother's side, which doesn't mean it had to be traced through only females. So you have 2 out of the 3 great-grandparents. I need one more grandfather.

[zacattack]

Finwe Olwe
| |
Finarfin=Earwen
|
Galadriel
|
Celebrian

That's all the Great Grandfathers I got Thengise because Elwe can't be her Great Grandfather because he is Olwe's brother so he'd be here Great Great Uncle

[ January 08, 2003: Message edited by: zacattack ]

[lathspell]

Finwë - Indis the Fair = greatgrandparents
||
Finarfin - Earwën = grandparents
||
Galadriel = mother
|
Celebrian

This is it, I guess.

[lathspell]

Oops... my mistake, you asked for greatgrandfathers. In that case zacattack has already answered your question correctly, I believe.

[Thengise Greenleaf of Mirkwood]

Yes, zacattack is correct! The third great-grandfather is Finwe. Unfortunately Busybee got two of them, so I believe it would rightfully be her turn. Right?

[zacattack]

Hey I got two of them aswell so I'll list all 3 of them

Finwe
Olwe
Elwe

I am the first person to have all 3 so am I right

[Beren87]

Just interjecting my two and a half cents. It would now be zacattack's turn as he was the one to come up with the final and complete answer. (Still wait for Thengise to confirm your answrees though)

[Thengise Greenleaf of Mirkwood]

LoL! Yes zaccattack you are the first to state them all. And Beren87 thanks for telling me, I didn't know that's how it went. I'm deeply sorry. So yep zacattack it's your go!

[Lyra Greenleaf]

10 days are officially up, so who is Pippin's older sister's aunt's grandfather's youngest sister's youngest daughter's husband's father?

[elven maiden Earwen]

Merry??

[Eruanna]

Fosco Baggins??
I think it goes: Esmerelda>> Hildegrim>>Mirabella>> Primula>>Drogo>>Fosco.

Primula and Drogo being Frodo's parents.

[ March 30, 2003: Message edited by: Eruanna ]

[Lyra Greenleaf]

Eruanna is correct. Your turn!

[Eruanna]

Ok, here's mine;

Find the name of Elrond's Great-Great Grandfather's (on his father's side)eldest son's son.

[ March 31, 2003: Message edited by: Eruanna ]

[Beren87]

Elrond's father was Earendil, who's father (his granfather) was Tuor, who's father (his great-grandfather) was Hour who's eldest son was...Tuor, Tuor's son was Earendil.

So is the answer Earendil?

[Eruanna]

Nope.... I'm looking for the Great-great grandfather's eldest son's son.

[Beren87]

Huor only had one son didn't he?

[Eruanna]

Tuor was Huor's only son, but Huor was Elrond's Great-Grandfather. You need to go back another generation... Or to another relation of Huor. smilies/smile.gif

[the real findorfin]

Turin.

Elrond>Earendil>Tuor>Huor>galdor>Hurin>Turin

[Eruanna]

Yes!...Your turn. smilies/smile.gif

[the real findorfin]

Elros' youngest grandson's youngest great grandson's son's son.

[Eruanna]

I'll have a guess....Aragorn?

[the real findorfin]

Nope

[Eruanna]

Is this it:

Elros > Nolondil > Hallatan > Hallacar > Anárion?

[the real findorfin]

Yes, Tar-Anarion it is.

[Eruanna]

OK. smilies/smile.gif

Who was Pippin's sister's Great-Grandfather's oldest brother's son's son?

[Faenaduial]

Ferumbras III?

[Eruanna]

That's right! smilies/smile.gif smilies/smile.gif

[Faenaduial]

Okay

Elrond's Great-Great-Grandmother on his father's side. smilies/smile.gif

[Lyra Greenleaf]

There are lots of possibilities, in fact 4, although the only named one I could find is Hareth

[Faenaduial]

That was the person I was looking for Lyra.

Your turn.

[symestreem]

Elrond's uncle's cousin's sister's roommate's... just kidding. smilies/smile.gif
How about: Aragorn's foster father's maternal grandmother's aunt's son? (Aunt by blood, not marriage)

[nobody]

Dior?

[symestreem]

Oops, sorry, meant paternal grandmother. Sorry, Nobody.

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

Got it! Maeglin, right?

[symestreem]

Yes, Luthien_Tinuviel, it is Maeglor. Your turn.

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

Okay, how about Pippin's paternal great-grandfather's sister's great-grandson (it's actually not that hard).

[Carlas]

Would that be Pippin...or am i not thinking straight?

[Lord of Angmar]

Close, Carlas. That would work if it was Pippin's paternal great-grandfather's wife's great-grandson. I believe (though I am not quite sure I remember) that the answer you are looking for is good ol' Fredegar "Fatty" Bolger, the Hobbit Left Behind.

[Carlas]

Oh, right! Well missed that one, but all the grand-these and grand-thats can be quite confusing. smilies/wink.gif

[Lord of Angmar]

Indeed they can! smilies/rolleyes.gif I can usually make no sense of the long Hobbit family trees in the Appendices of The Lord of the Rings, at least not without my reading glasses and more than a few minutes to spare.

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

Ah, the good old hobbit family trees. Maybe it is harder than I thought.... I used an internet resource, and didn't realize that the needed info is probably on two separate trees. So, I'll give a hint, which is the fact that the paternal great-grandfather is Hildigrim Took, and the sister I'm looking for is Mirabella Took. You may need to use both the Took and Brandybuck trees. No one has it yet.

[Evisse the Blue]

It's Merry!

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

Right you are, Evisse. It's a little known fact that Merry and Pippin were third cousins as well as first cousins (on different sides of their families, of course).

[Evisse the Blue]

What is Elfwine to Morwen?

[Elrond of Rivendell]

I suppose and hope you mean Morwen of Lossarnach, if not this will become really embarrassing. smilies/rolleyes.gif
So here we go:
Morwen's daughter (together with Thengel) was Théodwyn, whose son (together with Éomund) was Éomer. Finally, Elfwine was Éomer's son, which makes Morwen the great-grandmother of Elfwine.
Greetings,
EfR

[Evisse the Blue]

You're correct, as you undoubtedly know! smilies/wink.gif

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Okay here we go:
What was Elentir to Elendil?
Greetings,
EfR

[NightKnight]

Elentir was Elendil's uncle.

[Elrond of Rivendell]

This is correct. Please proceed NightKnight.
Greetings,
EfR

[NightKnight]

What was Thorin Oakenshield to Borin?

[Firefoot]

Thorin was Borin's great-great-nephew.

[NightKnight]

He was indeed. Please continue. smilies/smile.gif

[Firefoot]

Thank you.

How were Merry and Frodo related?

[symestreem]

Merry's grandfather Rorimac was Frodo's uncle, because he was Frodo's mother Primula's brother. I think this would make Frodo Merry's first cousin, once removed.

[Firefoot]

That's half of it. They're related in two ways.

[symestreem]

Hmm... Frodo's great-uncle is Merry's great-grandfather? That would make them... I have no idea.

[Firefoot]

Sorry it took so long to get back to you, symestreem... I didn't realize that you had posted. Hmm, I'm not sure what that would make them. I didn't see that one. That relation also affects the other one I was looking at and makes them even more closely related than I thought. I was going back to Balbo and Berylla Baggins which would make them third cousins once removed but that changes it...I don't know how. So you can go ahead and ask the next question.

[symestreem]

Please detail the relationship between Ar-Pharazon and his wife.

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Ar-Pharazon's wife was Tar-Miriel (Ar-Zimraphel). She was born the daughter of king Tar-Palantir.
Ar-Pharazon was Tar-Palantir's nephew, being the son of his brother Gimilzhad.
Ar-Pharazon usurps the throne of Numenor by marrying his (first) cousin.

[symestreem]

Yes.

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Name at least 5 (first cousins) of Bilbo Baggins!

EfR

[Ruitha]

Um, right, uh...
Sigismond, Flambard, Adalgrim, Fortinbras II, Otho Sackville-Baggins, Odo Proudfoot, Falco Chubb-Baggins...?

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Five of Frodo's first cousins:
Milo Burrows, Seredic Brandybuck
Saradoc Brandbuck, Merimac Brandybuck,
Daisy Baggins.

[Evisse the Blue]

It's been ten days so I'll take the liberty of posting a new one:

Whose wife is also his aunt? (there are at least two instances of this kind).

[The Perky Ent]

MAN! That's a tuffy! I can't think of one! altough it's probably obvious, can i get a hint?

[Evisse the Blue]

okay, a hint: they are of Elven descend.

[nobody]

Is it Elrond?

[Evisse the Blue]

Correct, nobody. Elrond married Celebrian who was also his aunt. The other instance is his father Earendil.

[nobody]

Which elf's brother was also his great-great-great-granddaughter's grandfather?

[Evisse the Blue]

Could you give a hint, nobody?

[NightKnight]

Fingolfin, the brother of Finarfin?

[nobody]

NightKnight: Close but no cigar. You missed out a generation.
Hint: The great-great-great-granddaughter is Arwen

[NightKnight]

Then it would be Celeborn and Galathil.

[nobody]

Yes correct.

[NightKnight]

In what way are Pippin and Bandobras Bullroarer related?

[symestreem]

Bullroarer was Pippin's great-great-great-great-uncle on his father's side, and on his mother's side... j/k.

[NightKnight]

Close.

[Firefoot]

Bullroarer was Pippin's great-great-great-great-great-uncle.

[NightKnight]

That's it. ;)

[Firefoot]

On her mother's side, how is Arwen related to Gil-Galad?

[NightKnight]

He was her grandmother's cousin's son.

[Firefoot]

Yes, go on NightKnight.

[NightKnight]

What was Bregolas to Arwen?

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Bregolas was Arwen's great-great-great-great grandfather.

[NightKnight]

Correct. Your turn. :)

[luthien-elvenprincess]

What relation were Elwing and Celebrian?

[Arvedui III]

Elwing is Celebrian's mother-in-law.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Well...yes, that is correct. But, I was actually thinking of another relationship between the two.

[NightKnight]

Elwing was Celebrian's cousin's daughter.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

You are on the right track in thinking about the 'cousin' relationship. Specifically, I was thinking about which generation of cousins that they were to each other...

[symestreem]

Elwing is Celebrian's first cousin, once removed. Celebrian is Elwing's mother's cousin.

[NightKnight]

I don't understand all those cousin thingys in English. Sorry. :(

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Ok, I'll give a big hint. Going back 3 generations from Celebrian and Elwing, you have the brothers Olwe and Elwe. Their children, Earwen and Luthien were first cousins. The children of Earwen and Luthien would be second cousins to each other...making the next generation ????? cousins to each other!
Quess:p

[Thorongil]

Third cousins?
But all that cousin stuff IS confusing. first, second and third cousins, once, twice removed, what's the point of it?

[luthien-elvenprincess]

THe point of it shows the relationship between people and generations.
For instance: Luthien and Earwen are first cousins; their children (Dior and Galadriel) would be second cousins to each other. But, Dior and Galadriel could also be called 'first cousin, once removed (cuz of generation)' from either Earwen or Luthien, as the case may be.
The term 'cousin' show the relationship and is used without the 'removed' adjective when the cousins are in the same generation. The term 'x-removed' is used to show the relationship between different generations.
Hope this helps!:eek:

Your turn, Thorongil.

[Thorongil]

Ok, I got it(i think)

What's the relationship between Celebrimbor & Maeglin?

[NightKnight]

I didn't know that. Thanks luthien. :)

For the question: Second cousins?

[Firefoot]

Half-second cousins? Because Feanor and Fingolfin were half brothers.

[Thorongil]

Yes Firefoot, but I'll accept NightKnight's answer, and he was first so it's all yours NightKnight.

[NightKnight]

Thanks Firefoot.

What was Barahir to Turin?

[Firefoot]

Barahir was Turin's great-great-uncle.

[NightKnight]

That's right. Your turn. :)

[Firefoot]

How were Gimli and Kili related?

[Arvedui III]

Gimli and Kili's great-great-grandfathers were brothers.

[Firefoot]

Yes, go ahead, Arvedui.

[Arvedui III]

Thanks. How are Luthien and Arwen related?

[Nirvana II]

Arwen=Luthien's great-great grandaughter

[Arvedui III]

Yes indeed. Your go.

[Nirvana II]

yup....i got a good one


Eorl to Eomer

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Eorl would be Eomer's great (x15)-grandpa.

[Nirvana II]

not quite

[The Perky Ent]

Eorl is Eomer's great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather!

[Nirvana II]

not quite....almost there

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Hummm...I count Eomer as the 18th generation from Eorl. That would make Eorl the great (times 15) grandpappy of Eomer.

Would you give a hint as to the relationship you are looking for in your answer?

[symestreem]

Eorl->Brego->Aldor->Frea->Freawine
->Goldwine->Deor->Gram->Helm's sister (Hild?)->Frealaf->Brytta/Leofa->Walda
->Folca->Folcwine->Fengel->Thengel
->Theodwyn->Eomer

That makes Eomer the sixteenth generation after Eorl.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Oops, I said Eomer was 18 generations after Eorl. I should have said that 18 generations were represented counting these two.
Eomer was actually 17 generations from Eorl, not 16 as you said.

Since, Eomer is the 17th after Eorl; Eorl would be Eomer's 15xgreat grandfather.

[Nirvana II]

not yet


hint:Eomer wasnt in Eorl's right line

[symestreem]

Eomer was a direct descendant of Eorl, just not always through the male line.

[Nirvana II]

nope

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Well... when the Second and Third Lines of the Kings of the Mark began, they began with the nephew of the prior king. However, their mothers were sisters of the prior king, daughters of the king before that. So, they were in the direct line descending from Eorl.
Or, do you have different information? Or, are you thinking of something else entirely?

[Nirvana II]

i have different information

[The Saucepan Man]

I find it hard to fault symestreem's analysis:

Eorl->Brego->Aldor->Frea->Freawine
->Goldwine->Deor->Gram->Helm's sister (Hild?)->Frealaf->Brytta/Leofa->Walda
->Folca->Folcwine->Fengel->Thengel
->Theodwyn->Eomer

That makes Eomer the sixteenth generation after Eorl.
and

Eomer was a direct descendant of Eorl, just not always through the male line. Which means that luthien-elvenprincess's original answer is surely correct:

Eorl would be Eomer's great (x15)-grandpa. I am not sure where you are going with this one, Nirvana II, but it seems to me that luthien-elvenprincess has it. If you disagree, I think that, in the circumstances, you ought perhaps to explain why.

[Nirvana II]

Saucepan Man,my good fellow, she isnt correct one one reason.........Eomer is Eorl's 15x great nephew!not grandson !i will give luthien the go.....

[NightKnight]

Nirvana, you are wrong. Eomer's mother, Theodwyn, was the daughter of king Thengel.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Yeah...(victory dance):D
I don't mean to belabor the point...but I still count Eomer as the 17th generation after Eorl. (moves gracefully on);)

What is Gloredhel to Rian?

[NightKnight]

Gloredhel was Rian's husband's aunt.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

yes, yes, yes, NightKnight.

[NightKnight]

What was Elwë to Elrond, in both ways please! :D

[Miriel]

*groans*
Um ... great great grandfather, and ... great great great uncle?

[NightKnight]

I just realized I thought of the wrong person. *Hits self* That should have been Elladan/Elrohir/Arwen, and not Elrond. *Hits self again* Well, since they are only related in one way, and you got it, I'll give it to you. *Smacks self really hard*

[Miriel]

Be calm, NightKnight, I'm sure we'll forgive you. :)
(yeah right...)
Anyway, name Gil-galad's (male) cousin's father's wife's brother's father's half-brother's wife's father.
And I hope you have as much fun working it out as I did making it up. *innocent smile*

[NightKnight]

And that would be Mahtan. ;) Tricksy one there. ;)

[Miriel]

*grins*
Well done, Nightknight, correct. :D

[NightKnight]

It was actually fun. :D

So, who was Agarwaen's "stepfather"'s brother's daughter's husband?

[Firefoot]

Finarfin?

[NightKnight]

Correct. :)

[Firefoot]

Maybe something a little bit easier. :)

Túrin and Brandir.

[The Perky Ent]

Brandir's great uncle is Turin's Grandfather...so um...third cousins? If not, then i'm stickin with Brandir's great uncle is Turin's Grandfather!

[NightKnight]

They were second cousins.

[Firefoot]

Umm, I was looking for second cousins, but that is the same thing as Perky Ent's "Brandir's great uncle is Turin's Grandfather!" So whoever posts the next question first can carry on.

[The Perky Ent]

Gimli and Dain

[Firefoot]

There were two Dáins. If you mean Dáin I then he is Gimli's great-great-great-uncle. If you mean Dáin II Ironfoot then they are 3rd cousins once removed.

[The Perky Ent]

You're right, but only if you tell me what once removed means!

[Firefoot]

It has to do with generations. So Glóin and Dáin are third cousins, and Gimli being Glóin's son is once removed.

[The Perky Ent]

um...sure! Your turn!

[Firefoot]

Lotho Sackville-Baggins and Frodo.

[Fingolfin II]

First Cousins?

[Thorongil]

Third cousins?

[Firefoot]

Thorongil has it.

[NightKnight]

*Bumps to the top*
Thorongil?

[Thorongil]

Oh,sorry. I forgot this thread. I can't make a new one right now, but I'll post another in 8-9 hours.

[Thorongil]

Ok, lets try this...
What is the relationship between Thorin II and Gimli?

[luthien-elvenprincess]

third cousins, once removed.

[Thorongil]

Yup.
(Now I understand the removed thingy :D )

[luthien-elvenprincess]

What is Hathol to Arwen?

[NightKnight]

Hathol is Arwen's great great great great great grandfather.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Yep, Nightknight...your spin :)

[NightKnight]

I happen to know Arwen's family tree quite a way back. ;)

Anyway, what was Celebrimbor to Elrond?

[Thorongil]

I don't have the family tree right now, but I'll give it a shot: second cousin, once removed?

[Firefoot]

second cousins, twice removed?

[luthien-elvenprincess]

or third cousins, in-law :rolleyes:

[NightKnight]

Firefoot has it.

Luthien, could you explain that?

[Firefoot]

Give both ways that Túrin and Tuor were related.

[symestreem]

Turin's maternal grandfather was Tuor's maternal grandfather's brother; their fathers were brothers.
So, you could say that they were first and second cousins.

[Firefoot]

Yes. Go ahead. :)

[luthien-elvenprincess]

or third cousins, in-law
Luthien, could you expain that?

Elrond was married to Celebrian. Celebrian and Celebrimbor were third cousins. (or half cousins).
Finwe>Feanor>Curufin>Celebrimbor.
Finwe>Finarfin>Galadriel>Celebrian (married to Elrond).

[NightKnight]

Ah, yes. Now I see. Thanks. :)

[symestreem]

Serinde's husband's son's daughter's son's lover's friend was the ancestor of _______.

[alaklondewen]

I'm thinking either Galador, the first Lord of Amroth, or further down the line and more debatable...Imrahil. Here is my line of thinking:

Serinde married Finwë, who's son was Finarafin, who's daughter was Galadriel. Now it has been proposed that Amroth was Galadriel and Celeborn's son (some controversy over that, but some places do claim it). Amroth's "lover" was Nimrodel, who had Mithrellas as a friend and maiden. Mithrellas, in turn, bore Galador. There are two proposed heritages of the Princes of Dol Amroth, and lineage from Galador is one of them. If that is the case, then Mithrellas would also be an ancestor of Imrahil.

Or, it could be that I am completely off on all accounts. ;)

[symestreem]

It's the former; any one in the line of Dol Amroth would do. Go ahead!

[alaklondewen]

Thanks, symestreem.

Her brother's grandson's wife's grandmother sang for Morgoth.

[symestreem]

This is like one of those backwards arithmetic problems...
Is it Aredhel?

[The Perky Ent]

symestreem, if the answer is Aredhel, then it would be Luthien who sung for Morgoth. I know she sung for Mandos, but i don't recall her singing for Morgoth. If she did, i must reread, but otherwise, it's wrong.....i think.

[alaklondewen]

Symestreem is right. Here is the passage:

[Luthien] was not daunted by his eyes; and she named her own name, and offered her service to sing before him, after the manner of a minstrel....Then suddenly she eluded his sight, and out of the shadows began a song of such surpassing loveliness, and of such blinding power, that he listened perforce; and a blindness came upon him, as his eyes roamed to and fro, seeking her.

She did indeed sing for Morgoth. She sang so powerfully that she was able to lull him into a dream.

[The Perky Ent]

Oh right! I was un aware how she got Morgoth into a deep slumber! Sorry! But she did sing for Mandos! So i get 1/2 points for that!

[symestreem]

What was Chica Chubb's father-in-law's youngest brother's eldest grandson's wife's mother's mother's maiden name?
:D

[NightKnight]

Adamanta Chubb?

[symestreem]

Yep! :)

[NightKnight]

Who was Tuor's wife's mother's father-in-law's younger brother's youngest son?

[symestreem]

Tricksy, NightKnight!
Is it Aegnor?

[NightKnight]

'Tis indeed. And I like being tricksy. :rolleyes:

[symestreem]

Olwe's sister-in-law's son-in-law's father's elder nephew's daughter's cousin's husband's younger uncle's grandson was _______.


It seems that on these family trees, the eldest sibling is the farthest left. The youngest is on the far right.

[Firefoot]

Brandir the Lame.

[symestreem]

Yes.
These family trees are so twisted. Turin killed his something-cousin, and Brandir wanted to marry his.

[Firefoot]

Holman Cotton's first grandson's wife's youngest brother's sixth child's father-in-law's aunt's husband's father's youngest daughter's grandfather-in-law's oldest brother's fourth child's son.

Have fun! :D

[Thorongil]

I'm probably way off, but...Odo Brownfoot?

[Firefoot]

Do you mean "Odo Proudfoot?" I don't know of any "Brownfoots", but Odo Proudfoot is correct.

[Thorongil]

Well, sorry about that. It's difficult with norwegian names for those hobbits. A lot of weird translations. Well anyway...

Frodo Baggins's mother's oldest brother's son's wife's grandfather's wife's father's youngest brother's great grandson is...

I liked these family trees.

[Firefoot]

Frodo.

[Thorongil]

Yup :D

[Firefoot]

Tar-Aldarion's oldest aunt's grandfather's aunt's father's niece's three known great-great-grandfathers are...

[The Perky Ent]

hard to follow, but Huor, Turgon, and Beren, i don't know if you wanted it on her father or mother's side, but since you didn't specify, i think this will work! Or...

[Firefoot]

Yes, that will work. I was thinking great-grandfathers when I wrote it but I put in an extra great. Your turn.

[The Perky Ent]

oh, great grandfathers would be so much easier, but then. Oh well, new question:



Fili's nephew's great grandfathers youngest great nephews grandsons loves brother-in-laws daughters second son!


That's a mouthful!

[symestreem]

Fili's nephew's great-grandfather has no great-nephews.

[The Perky Ent]

Woah....johnny! You're right. I meant to say uncle! Woah!it should say:

Fili's uncle's great grandfathers youngest great nephews grandsons loves brother-in-laws daughters second son!

[NightKnight]

Elurín?

[The Perky Ent]

It most certainly is! Good work! Your turn!

[NightKnight]

Alright, here comes:

Who was the Silver Tree's grandfather's grandson's grandson's grandfather?

[Firefoot]

Umm, The Silver Tree?

[symestreem]

Are you referring to the armor of Gondor, the tree itself, or the person?