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03-22-2002, 03:19 PM
Lotr is up for 11 oscars (or is it 13). anyway, anyone got any ideas on how the film will do?

03-22-2002, 03:23 PM
13 it is. I certainly hope they take every one of them. I really hope Ian McKellan wins. He deserves it for his way of portraying Gandalf. And of course Enya, for her song "May It Be", which she's also going to perform live.

03-22-2002, 03:27 PM
It should get all of the ones it was nominated for - it deserves everyone of them, and more - but then I would say that wouldn't I...?!

03-22-2002, 03:29 PM
I sure hope it wins them all but if they do i'm gonna have no voice on monday morning as I am gonna scream the house down every timne it wins one

03-22-2002, 03:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I am gonna scream the house down every timne it wins one <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Count me in on that one. Maybe we end up hearing each other!?!?

03-22-2002, 05:00 PM
Ummm...Ian McKellan might take home a statue and it might win for Best Cinematography or whatever but I don't think it will win Best Picture or any of those other big ones.Why?Because it's a fantasy movie(people have lots of bias against fantasy and often shun it in favor of more...cultured films.) and it's up against movies like A Beautiful Mind and In The Bedroom(hated that movie ). Judges consider these movies to be more...artistic and thoughtful, and unfortunately, although FOTR deserves to win every single nomination, the sad truth is it may not win anything at all. Anyway, that's my two cents, and I couldn't care less what judges think of it, I KNOW it's a great movie.

03-22-2002, 07:24 PM
Yeah, got to go for the realism, like "Gladiator" or "Moulin Rouge".

03-22-2002, 08:15 PM
I think LotR should win a lot of awards, especially Best Picture, but most of the critics I've read or heard seem to think that "A Beautiful Mind" will win. I don't know why, but the writers for the movie section in the <I>Dallas Morning News</I> (my local newspaper) seem really biased against LotR. They also gave it a "B+" rating when nearly every other source I've seen has given it at least an "A"...kind of annoys me.<p>[ March 22, 2002: Message edited by: ElanorGamgee ]

03-22-2002, 08:50 PM
It's very strange, but I've gone out of my way to read every <I>negative</I> review of the FotR I could find. Across the board I've found that there is a certain group of people who routinely give it a bad rating. They are almost always: women. And: reference some past bias against the books. Their issue is with the "sort of person who read Tolkien" - in their experience - not the movie. They just hate Tolkien. Period. One woman called it "still a story for 13-year old boys" petulance showing, and I could see the former 13-year-old girl stamping her feet at those obnoxious 'D&D nerds'. Another said "it became popular in the '60s, in a cloud of ganga smoke" and the aging smug former-hippie looking back, and down, on the things he wasn't involved in thank goodness, was quite apparent.<P>I'm off-topic, aren't I?<P>A Beautiful Mind will take best picture, because it's Ron Howard, and because the LotR is 1/3 of a movie, not a whole movie, and they'll be thinking there are two more movies to go. But it will sweep all the costume and cinematography awards. Ian McKellen won't get best supporting actor I don't think, there have been a lot of good performances this year.

03-22-2002, 10:21 PM
i doubt the movie will do well - it's not the sort that appeals to the hearts and minds of the academy. in my thinking, though, it deserves every one of them!!!!!

03-23-2002, 03:12 AM
For some reason, the judges just LOVE those "authentic-real-life-I'm-being-mental-or-having-a-disease" movies. No care if the oh so true story has been rewritten to the point, where you barely recognize it. As it is with "A Beautiful Mind". See the movie and then think of the REAL story and it's like: "Uhm sorry, but why should we tell it the way it was? Who wants to know that the wife actually filed for divorce, and got it? And so on and on and on and.....<BR>OK, I'm getting quite off topic here. I just hate this concept with "reality" movies always getting the Oscar, no matter how bad it is. <BR>I really think FOTR deserves to win in all of the 13 categories it's been nominated.

03-23-2002, 03:47 AM
I really hope FOTR wins them all!! I'm beginning to dislike all those realistic sappy movies. Things like "A Walk to Remember" at one point in my life would have made me jump for joy to go see. Now, if it's not action/adventure/horror/comedy I do not want to see it. Though I usually end up getting dragged to see them anyways. But movies like A Beautiful Mind just look sooo BORING!!<BR>But back to the topic, when it comes to costume and special effects, FOTR will definately win, no question about it. Ian McKellen actually has a pretty good chance in my mind for Best Supporting Actor. And if FOTR does NOT win Best Movie, you know something will be breaking in my house. Let's just hope it's not anything like the TV. *note to self: stay away from TV when in violent rage*

03-23-2002, 03:58 AM
I'm sorry to say this, but then I'm truly afraid something's going to break in your house, Thinhyandoiel. Honestly, I really believe (no matter how much I hate to say this) that "A Beautiful Mind" is going away with that. First, it's reality (well, basically), second, it's Russel Crowe. Now I really don't know why, but Hollywood seems to love that guy. <BR>But know that if this is what happens, then I will be with you in my thoughts, screaming my lungs out. And possibly hitting on something.

03-23-2002, 04:21 AM
*pouts* I really want them to win that one though, yet I see your point. Russell Crowe has been like a Hollywood fave ever since Gladiator. Before then I never heard about him, and then it's all Russell Crowe this, and Russell Crowe that. I'm really starting to think I should go see A Beautiful Mind, just to see what all the fuss is all about. Have to wait until payday though. Argh.

03-23-2002, 04:52 AM
I guess it will sweep most of the technical categories, even if you intensely dislike fantasy, you have to admire the organization of it... but then, they might choose to spread those awards over the next two movies (I am sure this will be considered, however wrong it seems)<P>Beautiful Mind is a good movie, come on, guys, although I love FoTR so infinitely more, but I wonder how it is possible to compare two things so different... I certainly can't. Perhaps that is the difficulty this year. The movies in running are so different in what they offer to a spectator.<P>I guess in reality FoTR will get 5-6, and mostly technical categories, although I would also like it to be more, but the others also don't deserve to do that bad...

03-23-2002, 05:16 AM
Yeah, I guess I can't be all judgmental until I've seen the rest of the nominee movies. Though *so far* I do feel that nothing can compare to it. Though, I did just watch Resident Evil and it could actually rival FOTR for special effects, if it was released in time for the oscars that is. Was it released in time?? *shrugs* i don't know. but I loved that movie too. Just made me want to pick up the game again. Which I did! And LOTR? Made me want to read the book again! In my opinion, if a movie makes you want TO DO something, it's a damn good movie. Like the Matrix, sure it's all actiony and all, but did anyone notice the parallelism between it and the bible? I just went right to the Good Book and read a few pages after I watched that movie. Same with LOTR. Also made me want to become an archer, and live in the woods so I can become so agile that I can balance on chains and shoot trolls. ^.^ Or at least learn how to hold a sword! All the actors did so well and committed themselves wholly to the making of these masterpieces!

03-23-2002, 07:09 AM
I don't see how critics can whinge about the lack of strong female roles in the movie when PJ shoved arwen into protecting Frodo and Galadriel did that whole mega pwerful/scary/green thing and Gladiator phff don't even get me started for one thing you couldn't hear a word the actors were saying, there was little or no plot, and absolutely not a strong female charicter anywhere to be seen. If that could win anything LOTR should take home every single oscar nomination although I doubt it with all these twisted "real life" films about like Iris and A Beutiful Mind. *sigh* PJ's ikkle baby'snot gonna get what she deserves and thats very sad I'll prolly lose my voice anyway though from yelling obcenities at the TV

03-23-2002, 08:25 PM
A Beautiful Mind will most likely win the best picture category, though I've heard complaints that it's highly overrated and just "okay." I haven't seen it so I can't judge. I agree that Hollywood seems to love Crowe. Gladiator was a good movie, and I liked it a lot. As for no female characters in Gladiator, you have to give credit to Commodus's sister (can't remember her name) to being strong...okay, I don't want to get this off topic. Anyway, A Beautiful Mind will most likely get the award, seeing how LOTR is a little discriminated because of its genre and the fact that it has two more years to go.

03-23-2002, 10:33 PM
Well, there will definitely be lots of obscene yelling at the TV at my house (am preparing my vocal chords), because we'll be ducking snowballs in hell when FotR wins Best Picture. Sad, I know. Maybe I'm just trying not to get my hopes up.<BR>Besides that, I doubt that good Sir Ian will win. Why? Because he's playing a <I>wizard in a pointy hat</I>, and you know how those Academy voters tend to bristle at anything that shows it has the slightest bit of unusual imagination behind it, brilliant acting or no brilliant acting. Ugh.

03-23-2002, 11:57 PM
Seems like it should get more than it will, but I think it's biggest areas would be in cinematography, best supporting actor, etc. Let's face it, the film was literally beautiful. But I agree that there seem to be a certain faction of people (although this woman isn't one of them!!) who didn't like it before they saw it. A Beautiful Mind I think is what will give it the stiffest competetion.

Tigerlily Gamgee
03-24-2002, 11:49 AM
I have been stocking up on Oscar's mags and watching E all week, and here's what people say...<BR>Most votes have gone to A Beautiful Mind for best pic - but there are still sceptics - I think that the award could go to almost any movie nominated - I would rather any movie BUT abm win, surprises are nice!<BR>Ian McKellen should have his in the bag according to most.<BR>Entertainment Weekly guesses that Peter Jackson will win<BR>Most everyone predicts that LOTR will get all of the tech awards except for the Costuming (which will probably go to Moulin Rouge)<P>All I know is that I am rooting on LOTR all the way, I even have my new Arwen necklace to wear for the occasion. I am having an Oscar's party tonight!<BR>Well, I am nsure I'll see ya'll on a new topic after tonight!

03-24-2002, 12:35 PM
Anyone else making a special oscar dinner in honor of the FOTR?<P>Hobbit Wild mushroom Stew with herbed Dumplings<P>broccoli trees(galadadh) with 'the fires of moria' fiery sweet and sour dressing<P>lembas made from puff pastry dough and sprinkled with honey and chopped hazel nuts<P>Bag End apple pie with ice cream<P>& perhaps a dark, stout dwarven beer to quaff when the oscars are presented!!

03-24-2002, 01:43 PM
Wow, that sounds really yummy. I'm starting to get hungry, so please save some for me, OK? <BR>There´s definetely going to be a new thread tomorrow. Either a lot of people will be enraged (which i honestly believe and fear) or else, there will be partying all over the Barrowdowns.

03-24-2002, 02:24 PM
I'm thinking it will get an armload of the technical awards but get shafted for the big ones (best picture, supporting actor). This is mostly because the Academy seems to like the socially-relevant "One woman/man's struggle against society" sort of movies at Oscar time; it shows what intellectual hotshots they are, I suppose. (And "one hobbit's struggle against Sauron the Maia" probably isn't the way they're thinking of it). I hope I'm wrong, though, and can be exulting shamelessly tomorrow . This is one of the times when I sort of wish I had a TV - now I'll just be hitting Refresh 1,000 times on the net tonight to see how much LOTR has gotten so far.

03-24-2002, 02:39 PM
Well, here's hoping that we'll be celebrating tonight instead of griping

03-24-2002, 02:55 PM
'ABEAUTIFUL MIND' THIS, 'A BEAUTIFUL MIND' THAT! IT CAN'T BE THAT GREAT! Let alone greater than LotR. Fantasy movies make movies great! If it weren't for 'A FREAKING BEAUTIFUL MIND' LotR would have 'em all! Not ALL. But you know! LotR deserves them! I REALLY hope Ian wins that award! He really deserves it! I mean REALLY deserves that award! He's a great actor and portrays (or whatevers) Gandalf so completly well!!! 'A beautiful mind' better not win as many as they are up for!

03-24-2002, 10:40 PM
3 Oscars well done PJ and team. <P>

03-24-2002, 10:54 PM
So far, this is what we have:<P>LOTR:FOTR Picks Up Best Original Score<BR>LOTR:FOTR Picks Up Best Visual <BR>LOTR:FOTR Picks Up Best Cinematography<BR>LOTR:FOTR Picks Up Best Make Up

03-24-2002, 11:14 PM
and the Winners are <BR>1)Makeup (Peter Owen and Richard Taylor)<BR>2)Music score (Howard Shore)<BR>3)Cinematography (Andrew Lesnie)<BR>4)Visual effects (Jim Rygiel, Randell William Cook, Richard Taylor and Mark Stetson)

Elanor Proudfoot
03-25-2002, 12:08 AM
4 OSCARS!!!<BR>Just four oscars! I mean of course it's well done, but I hope that it would have get more than four.

Mayla Took
03-25-2002, 12:13 AM
Ian Mekellan should have won best supporting actor! I was so mad about that! I think they are saving the Best Picture award for ROTK! Did anyone notice that Enya seemed rushed and her voice sounded like she had a could? I felt bad for her.

Child of the 7th Age
03-25-2002, 12:16 AM
Re, the Oscars. No, I am not pleased, but I have to say I'm also not surprised. I think the cruelest blow was to deny the supporting actor to Ian. Moreover, I truly fail to see that a Beautiful Mind was so superior to merit both Best Director and Best Picture. If Rings couldn't win, I'd rather see some of that honor go to Moulin Rouge or any one of the others. I truly believe Hollywood has a real hang-up about taking a fantasy movie seriously. The many little humorous, but also somewhat snide remarks, regarding Middle-Earth were not appreciated by this fan. Let's hope that, by the time the third film comes out, Hollywood and the Oscars will do something to rectify their error.

03-25-2002, 12:20 AM
Grrr, I say. Grrrr.<P>OTOH think of it this way; two years from now ROTK will be (hopefully) reaping the rewards of FOTR and TTT's popularity and general excellence, and "A Beautiful Mind" will be gathering dust in the 5-day rental section. Fell for the "famous actor playing victim" thing again, they did. How unoriginal. <P>OK, enough spleen for now. I'm not shocked or anything but I had been crossing my fingers that maybe, maybe...oh well.

03-25-2002, 12:51 AM
Guys, does anyone else have a feeling that Academy is paying off old debts (e.g. Densel Washington)?<P>Costume to Moulin Rouge is a trade-off too.<P>I did see Beautiful Mind and it is a good movie, BUT NOT THAT GOOD! And my opinion is that Russel Crowe made it come alive on screen, and now see what happens!<P>And adapted scrypt? PLLEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSEEEE! Those Academy members should take three Tolkien books, and make them into a scrypt while millions of fanatical fans are looking over their shoulder!<P>Ah, there's no justice in this world...

Tigerlily Gamgee
03-25-2002, 12:53 AM
Well, I am generally pleased with the Oscars. LOTR got four awards which were well deserved - especially Howard Shore, rock on! I, too, am disappointed that Ian McKellen did not win, but the award went to Jim Broadbent (who is a wonderful actor).<BR>I was not surprised about all of the A Beautful Mind award, those were preficted by many. But dont fear because LOTR still has two more shots in the next two years. Ian McKellen is bound to get an Oscar some day (whether for LOTR or not) because he is a marvelous actor.<BR>I must say, though, that my fav two moments were when Halle Berry and Denzel Washington won (I was just pleased to not see the award go to Russell Crowe)!!!!<BR>Well, I know there is a lot of disappoinmemt, but I am sure we will be discussing wins and loses again next year.<BR>This year was tough because everything that was nominated deserved an award - had it been another year I am sure that LOTR would have walked away with more.<BR>On another note... did Peter Jackson, Elijah Wood, Ian McKellen, and Sean Astin look so cute all dressed up!

Mayla Took
03-25-2002, 12:54 AM
I believe that the Oscars are all just political. Some things were given to thoughs who did not deserve them, but others were well deserved! I think that LOTR will get what it deserves in 2003 with the comming of ROTK! ha ha

Mayla Took
03-25-2002, 12:57 AM
Oh, I just thought I would add that I was so annoyed with Hally Berry! I was like "say your thanks, shut up and sit down!" I know I probably sound like a grouch, but, it kinda buggs me when people blab forever! No one really wants to hear it!

03-25-2002, 01:20 AM
AAAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!! It´s the end of the world!! <BR>....Sorry for that, I am just very disappointed, angry and sad...

03-25-2002, 01:45 AM
indeed, it couldn't be less than expected that 'a beautiful mind' would win over lotr:tfotr; the academy normally picks human interest stories over other genres. i thought they would make an exception with lotr, though, considering ALL its weight vs. abm. i mean, abm is a good movie, but it's not that outstanding. another thing, abm's direction is not exceptional; in fact, except for the scene where the nash theory of equilibrium was visualized using the standing babes, i'd say ron howard's work was somewhat regular. peter jackson by far made an outstanding directorial work, what with all the fantastic shots, the seamless transition from the various sub-plots of the story, the visualization of every scene and most importantly, how salient, important and memorable each and every character in that populous plot was made. that's awesome work only a movie vala could do!<P>i agree that the oscars sort of compromised on some of its awards, by allowing some sentimental wins -- denzel for one, and that song! i mean i loved monster's inc., but please! at any rate, we won four awards, and by eru they are all technical awards, they at least couldn't deny that!<P>let's all hope that by rotk, the ampas has overcome it's bias against fantasy films and finally recognize peter jackson's work for what it's truly worth.<P>---------------------------------------------<BR><I>every man's life is a path to the truth -- hesse</I>

Child of the 7th Age
03-25-2002, 08:35 AM
Here, here! sharon

03-25-2002, 08:37 AM
Augh!!! The Oscars last night were so annoying! I can't believe I was up till 12:00 last night just so I could see "A Beautiful Mind" take all the awards! What a waste of time. And now I'm tired and grouchy as well. And I agree with Child of the 7th Age, the snide comments from Whoopie got really annoying, especially when she said something about the "sprites and fairies" in the movie. Did she even go see it? Oh, well, I'm done ranting; I just hope the other two movies do well. And the evil eye icon is for the people who gave "A Beautiful Mind" all the awards. Grrrr.....<p>[ March 25, 2002: Message edited by: ElanorGamgee ]

03-25-2002, 09:46 AM
THE ACADEMY IS A GROUP OF IDIOTS! How can they like abm THAT FREAKING MUCH? And that weirdo that won against Enya! "Oh, he's been up for so many but never won!" Then why did he win so suddenly? HELLO?! They felt sorry for him! They can't, and shouldn't have, let him win! Just because he can't win a single award at the Academy Awards, doesn't mean you can GIVE it to him just like that, 'cause you feel SORRY for him! I HATE HIM! And that whole, abm winning best pic! C'MON! These are a bunch of LOSERS jugding here! 4! Yes, they won four, but I accpected better. If it weren't for abm, LotR would have done SO much better! Grrrrr! I hate the academy! They should learn how to jugde RIGHT! I'm not saying that LotR shoulda won all of them, but that whole best origonal song! They felt SORRY for him! That song was BAD. May it Be was a GREAT song! It made me cry when I downloaded it, and it lost to 'if i didn't have you' from MONSTER'S INC? Monsters Inc didn't WIN anything... Sorry, I am just REALLY mad. I'll shut up now.

03-25-2002, 10:20 AM
Hi all.<P>I'm not surprised that LOTR won mainly in the technical categories since fantasy movies rarely win a lot of Oscars. So, actually I'm pleased that it won the awards that it did. The fact that the rather staid Academy recognized the movie in spite of its traditional reserve when it comes to this genre says good things about LOTR. Winning 4 Oscars is nothing to hang your head about. I haven't seen abm, so I can't comment on it, although I've been told by friends that it is a good movie.<P>So here's raising the mug to PJ, the cast, and the whole crew of LOTR for a job well done!

03-25-2002, 10:35 AM
I really think PJ deserved to win best director. How could those fools (of Tooks?) just give it to Ron Howard???? I mean, PJ had to keep an eye on a lot of things. After all, they were shooting three movies at the same time, and in no particular order. AND, besides that, they were shooting in several locations at the same time, and he directed via satelite. Now THAT deserves a prize. THAT is hard work. GO PJ, my hero.<BR>and Enya didn't win either. How did THAT happen? Thankfully, Howard Shore won for best score. And I'm listening to it again right now, for the 1047'th time or something.

Mayla Took
03-25-2002, 11:42 AM
I think LOTR should have won the best scenery award (or whatever that is called) insead of Mulon Ruge! AHHHH!~ They really deserved that one!

03-25-2002, 11:43 AM
The biased griping here is quite amusing. Mereth'iel, it is nice to see a level-headed reply. I quite agree with your post. Lord of the Rings did great and about as I expected. I'm not disappointed in the least. Congrats to all the hardworking folks who put an award-winning movie together.

The Barrow-Wight
03-25-2002, 12:40 PM
LotR suffered in the acting categories because there were just too many characters - each character's part, even Gandalf, was small compared to typical supporting acting positions, particularly this year. Mereth'iel already explained why LotR didn't fare well in the director and film categories.

03-25-2002, 03:08 PM
Quite right. I've said this before elsewhere, but I don't mind being dull and repetitive, Peter Jackson would have had a greater chance at best director if he'd held off and released all three movies in the same year, six months apart. No doubt he knows that. But that would dilute the ticket sales, and more important to Peter I think, not give him the time to fine-tune each movie based on fan reactions. Still, if each installment is as popular and slightly better than the last, he may still have a shot in the next two Academy Awards. <P>I'm quite pleased with the results, and the nominations in the first place. It did slightly better than I expected: since Howard Shore didn't win the Golden Globe I thought it only a 50/50 chance he'd win.<P>I think the awards for best supporting actor will become more of a factor in the Return of the King. The role of Frodo is plum. He dies, or appears so, then survives, perseveres against staggering odds, fails, then through chance succeeds, then it looks like he's gonna die again, then is rescued, hailed a hero, then is a nobody in his own land. Then "dies" again. In a way. <BR>Ugh - if Elijah doesn't rip your heart out in the RotK, he should hang up his spurs.<P>As for Enya, it's actually her bad luck that her song was nominated from the Fellowship, rather than the Return of the King. One of the things judges look for is how the title song suits the tone of the movie. Her song is perfect for the ending of the LotR, but somewhat off for the first installment.

Fili Mithrilhelm
03-25-2002, 06:26 PM
yay lotr

03-25-2002, 10:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The biased griping here is quite amusing. Mereth'iel, it is nice to see a level-headed reply. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>red-this is an lotr site, you could expect people to be biased here, or else, where else? please let us all express ourselves freely here without dripping condescension on anyone on this board.<P>---------------------------------------------<BR><I>every man's life is a path to the truth -- hesse</I>

03-25-2002, 11:38 PM
I went to see A Beautiful Mind today. It was not better then Lord of the Rings! What made me even more mad was that Enya didn't get it for "May it Be". That song is so pretty and how that other song one just boggles my mind! I'm glad that it did win what it did though. I just hope someday a fantasy film will be taken seriously and will win big...like next year maybe

Bramblerose Gamgee-Took
03-25-2002, 11:59 PM
Hmm, I sat up all night last night watching the awards, and in a big thunder storm, to find that A Beautiful Mind won! I saw that movie two days ago, and it was good, but in no comparison to LOTR. But still they won a few awards. Uh, does anyone know who that was sitting next to Elijah Wood? The one with long brown hair. Weird

03-26-2002, 07:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> who that was sitting next to Elijah Wood? The one with long brown hair. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Actually, that was Ian McKellen's boyfriend. Weren't they just SOOOOO cute together, sitting there holding hands? I think it's so wonderful, that he doesn't care about what Hollywood thinks about gay people. My thumbs up. GO IAN!!!!!

03-26-2002, 10:44 AM
4 out of 13! What an insult, my God!<P>My first complaint: only one actor of LotR was nominated. Mortensen should've been up against McKellen, and Wood should've been up for Best Actor. Mortensen should've won and so should've Wood. <P>My second complaint: no other director deserved Best Director as much as Peter Jackson. I bet within the first week of shooting "The Fellowship of the Ring" Ron Howard (who by the way looks like a vampire on a diet) would've seriously injured himself. <P>My third complaint: Enya didn't win the ****ing Oscar! Who cares if Randy would've had to be the Susan Lucci for another year? "May it be" was a song that evoked the feelings of Tolkien and the movie perfectly--which is what should be counted on, not some dorky Gringo fave. Argggh!<P>My fourth complaint: they didn't have a cleansweep of all 13 (and there should've been more than 13!). <P>Time to go perform some witchcraft on the Academy members.

03-26-2002, 12:51 PM
i do also think that the lord of the rings should have got more oscars then it did but i was sleeping when they showed it on tv

Tigerlily Gamgee
03-26-2002, 01:26 PM
Well, look at it this way. If LOTR would've won all the awards this year would the Academy be willing to give them any for the next two installments??? I think that it's time will come. Peter Jackson is bound to win for one of the next two. It was Ron Howard's year & I am sure he deserved it.<BR>As for the Art Direction award and the Costumes award - Moulin Rouge totally deserved these awards (sorry to upset anyone). Have you seen that movie? In LOTR most of the scenery is actual landscap, but everything in Moulin Rouge was built up from scratch, and the costumes were fenominal (can you tell I love that movie as well).<BR>I don't see any reason to be ****ed, after all, it is just a stupid awards show. Isn't the general populations' opinion better than an academy's anways? Just remember that there are probably lots of people on the same side with you all, and those are the people that will not forget LOTR. Whereas, A Beautiful Mind will probably be forgotten (for the most part) by the time that ROTK is released.

Tigerlily Gamgee
03-26-2002, 01:28 PM
Wow, why did one of my words get bleeped out, it wasn't a bad word. Interesting.

Jessica Jade
03-26-2002, 03:49 PM
I watched the ENTIRE Oscar show, all for Lord of the Rings...and i'm not really disappointed in any of them, except one (or 2, but i'll get to that later) because everyone who won really deserved it.(for the most part). Everyone KNEW Beautiful Mind was going to win best picture. I didn't expect LOTR to get it, because many ppl in the Academy might be saving their votes for Return of the King in 2004. I think Ron Howard did deserve to win, because he sure did get ripped off that year with Apollo 13. (btw, he DOES look like a starved vampire! LOL) It's highly possible and likely that the Academy members are saving some nominations for the other actors when the next installments come out. I have high hopes that Elijah Wood will get nominated for Return of the King. He really deserves it. I'm sure that in '04, the voters will honor the entire trilogy and that ROTK will sweep up a lot of awards. At least, i really hope so. The down side to having 3 movies is, by the time '04 rolls around, the academy might think that LOTR is "getting old" and not give it so many nominations. It depends heavily on other things as well, like what other movies come out that year. This year, there was definitly stiff competition. Who knows what wil happen in 2 years from now? Also, another reason that more actors didn't get nominated for LOTR was maybe because there were other great people that needed to be recognized. They had to give other people a chance and not just let the LOTR actors fill up half of each category, you know. I'm glad that at least the movie got 13 noms. That's an awesome accomplishment in itself. And just think....2 more movies yet to come!!! <P>As for the awards that LOTR won....It was by far a shoo-in for Best Cinematography. If anyone else had won, i'd have been pretty darn annoyed! I'm glad it won such a well-deserved award! The best makeup was well deserved too. It's tough to portray Tolkien's vision as well as the LOTR crew did. From the hobbit feet, to the beatiful elves, to the Orcs. I was pretty suprised, though i was half expecting it, when it won for Best Soundtrack. I was so happy about that one especially, because the soundtrack matches the movie so well and brings all the emotion and characters home to you and grips your heart with emotion. The more you listen to it the better it gets. It had tough competition in that area and i'm glad they pulled through! And of course, special effects...there is definitely NO movie this year with better ones! I'm glad that LOTR won the ones that it deserved they most. <P>However, i was mad that best song when to that horrible, generic, soulless piece of crap from Monsters Inc. I mean, hell, i could write a better song than that right now if i wanted to. It was so run of the mill, and nothing speical at all- no meaning, no talent and no thought required to make a pice of redneck "music" like that. ANY other song deserved it ten times more than that one. Ugh. I think that LOTR deserved Best Adapted Screenplay sooo much more than that Beautiful Mind did. Do these people have ANY idea how incredibly difficult it is to even attempt to make a film out of Tolkien's vast, intricate, mythological Middle Earth? Peter Jackson and crew did a magnificent job and shoudl definitely have won that award. Beautiful Mind? Please. Let's not forget that they even forgot to mention in the movie that John Nash was a homosexual Jew-basher. Such key things to the biography that they left out. And yet they still win. Now, i shouldn't really judge that movie, because i haven't exactly seen it yet (I'm going Monday) but i guess that it's the year for that film, with all the hype about it. I'm sure it's a great film with a powerful message and dynamic meaning, but i'm wondering now what all the excitement is about. I shall see....<P>The fact that LOTR didn't win as many as we wanted it to, and if it does not get the honor it deserves in the next 2 Oscars, does not change the fact that it's a beautifully made work of art. People will soon forget about Beautiful Mind (because everyone didn't exactly want it to win, they just knew that it would) but no one will EVER forget the magic in Lord of the Rings. In many competitions, it's the 2nd and 3rd place winners and runner-ups that go on to have much bigger success in the end. So...cheers to LOTR. Long after Beautiful Mind is forgotten, people in years to come will still be passionate about Frodo's desperate, tragic quest and Tolkien's timeless Middle Earth.

Bramblerose Gamgee-Took
03-27-2002, 12:21 AM
Maikadilwen, are you serious? Because I am easily lead

03-27-2002, 03:09 AM
I must confess i was the saddest when Russel Crow didn't win, because he was the best part of that movie and all the other ones did<BR> he was really good in that movie<P>I agree with you guys about ENYA, she should have won, although that dumb song that really won was quite funny. I was really sad when Ian Mckellen didn't win, but yesterday i saw IRIS, where was Broadbent who win, and guys, he was really good whatever you say. I'm sure Ian WILL win 2003 or 2004. (Hey i didn't know he was a gay. Is he really? I would want to have a boyfriend like the one he has if that is really his boyfriend)<BR> And about MOULIN ROUGE, well, that was my first favorite movie (before FOTR)and now i'm not sure which is, but i adore Baz Luhrmann SO MUCH, because his movie is pretty much about different world too, so full ofwonders and sadness and brightness, it made me realize quite a lot and i'm so thankful

03-27-2002, 06:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Maikadilwen, are you serious? Because I am easily lead <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I am VERY serious. I thought you knew Ian was gay? He came out several years ago, and the most "intelligent" question most slim-slam reporters could think about asking him, was what effect it would have on his portrayal of Gandalf. Sigh. As if he would suddenly do his job different, just because he told them his "little" secret. I couldn't imagine anyone else as Gandalf.

03-27-2002, 10:47 AM
I have no respect for the academy anymore. A Beautiful Mind got all the Oscars! Ridiculous.

03-27-2002, 12:04 PM
My feelings were that if Peter Jackson did not receive best director (and I'm sure he will after RotK comes out), Robert Altman should have. He has paid his dues, and is way more admirable than Ron Howard, who, for all his charm, takes few risks and is not <I>that</I> good. PJ's direction was breathtaking, Altman's incredibly skilled and 'Gosford Park' was therefore heartfelt, yet devoid of cliches, while Howard, for all his tricks, had a truly great moment only in the theory of equilibrium scene, like you said.<BR>I loved 'A Beautiful Mind', it touched me, and Russell Crowe, for all his attitude problems, is a great actor, and Jennifer Connelly is splendid as well, but Best Director? I don't think so. It seems the Academy was just playing it safe on that one. I guess the logic was, "well it's a great film, but Ron isn't that great of a director, then again, everyone <I>loves</I> Ron, and this human-interest forumal sure as heck qualifies!" Sheesh.

Jessica Jade
03-27-2002, 03:38 PM
I did not know that Ian was gay! Ahhhh...at first i thought they guy sitting next to him was Viggo Mortensen, but then i realized he wasn't there....soo...Gandalf the Gay? (sorry i had to say that) Ummmm sure....<BR>actually, it doesn't change my opinion on him, because i have a lot of respect for him as an actor. A great injustice was done that he didn't win! I don't care how good that guy from IRis was, i think Ian should have won. <P>My biggest complaint about Beautiful Mind is its lack of originality. I mean, that kind of film has been done before. Good Will Hunting, for example, is sort of SORT of similar to it. A lot of people think Gosford Park should have got best picture....well, i can't wait til '04 when ROTK sweeps up Best Picture. (hopefully).

03-27-2002, 04:07 PM
Aye, twas disappointing. But we do have another two films still to come...<P>I never had much respect for the academy and the folk who decide these things anyway, and now my point was pretty much proved.<P>Just remember though: LOTR won the best film awards at the British Academy awards earlier this year- and one of them was voted <B><I>by the public</I></B> and isn't that what counts?<P>Did you see the celeb's going up the red carpet and getting interviewed? They were talking to Sean and Elijah - can you say energy??? They were so enthusiastic! (wonder what they were like *after* the oscars...)<P>"It's going to be like a rollercoaster, and I'm already on it!" - Sean (words to that effect, my memory's pretty poor [say goldfish]) <P>They also talked to Ian - i love that man! He's got such a wonderful spark in his eyes <P>GO HOWARD! Woo-hoo! best score! hahahahahahaaaaa!!!!!!!<P><BR>end of rambling.

03-27-2002, 04:23 PM
I was disappointed that LOTR didn't win Best Picture or Best Director, but I did not expect it to win. Ron Howard is a great director. He deserved the Oscar so many years ago for his other movies and they were making it up to him. Besides, I'm sure PJ will be nominated for either the second or third movies (or both!) LOTR also has a high chance for winning for the next two installments. <P>I didn't expect LOTR to win Best Song either. I thought Pearl Harbor would win, because it is a good song. I really didn't expect Monsters, Inc. to win at all! That was a big disappointment.<P>I was disappointed that Ian McKellen didn't win for Best Supporting Actor. I agreed with the critics' predictions that he would win. I haven't seen Iris or Jim Broadbent (ever) though, so I didn't really know.<P>The technical awards that LOTR won were well-deserved, especially cinematography.<P>I agree that the biggest disappointment was Best Adapted Screenplay, but hey, two more years. I'm sure the screenwriters will do a great job on ROTK and then it'll win that year!<P>Hopefully, people won't bash A Beautiful Mind just because it beat out FOTR, especially if they haven't seen it. Just remember...two more years, and surely by the third year, it'll win Best Picture. So don't be too disappointed.<P>I was VERY happy that Howard Shore won for Best Score. It was definitely the best score out of all the nominees, though A.I. was some competition.<p>[ March 27, 2002: Message edited by: dragongirlG ]

Bramblerose Gamgee-Took
03-28-2002, 01:54 AM
Grr!! They never showed them talking to Sean Astin or Elijah Wood or any LOTR people at that. They kind of glanced to them and I jumped up and screamed 'LOOK! LOOK! THERES SAM!!' . I didnt even know that Ian McKellen was gay, he looked one of those men who would have 15 grandchildren

03-28-2002, 01:07 PM
hehe yeah well i did not now that he was gay eather. but i missed the show totally because i did not know when it were but i hope the second film will get more oscars

Mayla Took
03-29-2002, 01:03 AM
I can't accept that Ian is gay!!! That can't be so! I am going to look that up. I thought Ian was married!

Bramblerose Gamgee-Took
03-29-2002, 01:38 AM
So did I Mayla

03-29-2002, 04:51 AM
Nope Ian is gay.<P>4. They Won 4. 4 out of 13? The acadamy are ridiculous grudge hold ing idiots. Did u know that russel crow didn't win best actor becausehe was rude at the BAFTAs? And to add insult to injury Whoopie Goldbirg talking about SPRITES and FAIRIES! Everytime LOTR didn't win one I just thought never mind they'll win all the other ones. But they didn't they won 4. By the end I was disgusted and tearful, yes tearful I was so dissapointed I'm sure the acadamy had something against LOTR I just don't know what.

Mayla Took
03-29-2002, 01:57 PM
I didn't like the "Sprites and Fearies" comment either. But I did think that the "Blobbits" comment was really funny! I was laughing hard. I guess that we should learn not to take the comments too seriously, there are going to be many more to come!<P>Oh, and can somone give a website that says that Ian is gay? He just doesn't seem gay to me! Are you sure that that guy sitting next to him wasn't his son?

03-29-2002, 02:11 PM
Well Mayla, I really don't hope his son would be sitting with his hand on Ian's inner thigh.... And they were holding hands like I do with my fiance, but CERTAINLY don't do with my mother. Try the official Ian McKellen web page. <A HREF="http://www.mckellen.com" TARGET=_blank>http://www.mckellen.com</A> He's actually an open gay-activist. GO IAN. <p>[ March 29, 2002: Message edited by: Maikadilwen ]

Mayla Took
03-29-2002, 09:05 PM
Well, okay. Sorry, I didn't notice the petting. Thanks for the info.

Anarya SilverBranch
03-29-2002, 09:32 PM
What I don't get is the reason why A Beautiful Mind won best adapted script or whatever. They took the stupid script from some stupid small badly written book that had no plot what so ever (I've read it)!! And LOTR is a 300 something odd page novel!!! DOWN WITH THE ACADEMY!!!

03-30-2002, 07:36 AM
I certainly agree!!!! /%"%`)"!...<BR>Have lost my respect for all of it, but am still going to watch it, at least for another 2 years....

03-30-2002, 08:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> They took the stupid script from some stupid small badly written book that had no plot what so ever !! DOWN WITH THE ACADEMY!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>And everyone ducks as the plates are flying across the room.

04-01-2002, 05:03 AM
come to think of it, the adaptation of lotr was indeed much more trickier and sophisticated, not to mention groundbreaking since pj had to consult with the lotr fan base. yeah, maybe lotr should've won that too...but i wonder, how much did "what exactly was cut out of and modified from the book" did weigh in in the judging process?<P>sir ian is definitely gay! watch his movie ca. mid-90's "gods and monsters" -- he sort of made his coming out in that movie. btw, this makes him even a more superlative actor, with both the magneto and gandalf roles tucked in his belt, dudn't it?<P>---------------------------------------------<BR><I>every man's life is a path to the truth -- hesse</I>