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Forum: Novices and Newcomers
03-24-2014, 08:31 AM
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Replies: 269
Views: 154,745
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cellurdur
I am confused about your argument here. You...
I am confused about your argument here. You acknowledge that Earendil and Elwing had children before they were 30 and then you claim there is no evidence that their maturity rate was quicker than... |
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Forum: Novices and Newcomers
03-23-2014, 05:46 PM
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Replies: 269
Views: 154,745
Posted By
cellurdur
I never said that it followed that Dior was...
I never said that it followed that Dior was immortal. I give quite the opposite impression. I say I like to think he would be given a choice, because there had yet to be any ruling. When Earendil... |
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Forum: The Books
03-23-2014, 05:28 PM
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Replies: 55
Views: 19,424
Posted By
cellurdur
Please explain to me the difference, because I...
Please explain to me the difference, because I cannot see what it is? |
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Forum: Novices and Newcomers
03-23-2014, 04:15 PM
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Replies: 269
Views: 154,745
Posted By
cellurdur
On the last point I disagree with you with....
On the last point I disagree with you with. Earendil and Elwing had a swift maturity too, it seems to be a trait of the Half-Elven. They age like Men, but once reaching maturity slow down to the rate... |
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Forum: The Books
03-23-2014, 04:01 PM
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Replies: 55
Views: 19,424
Posted By
cellurdur
Thanks for putting forward the idea much better...
Thanks for putting forward the idea much better than I did. |
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Forum: Novices and Newcomers
03-23-2014, 03:58 PM
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Replies: 269
Views: 154,745
Posted By
cellurdur
Dior getting a choice is wishful thinking on my...
Dior getting a choice is wishful thinking on my part, but not without a little bit to be hopeful for. Dior was immersed in the Elvish lifestyle was married to an Elf and ruled over an Elvish kingdom.... |
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Forum: Novices and Newcomers
03-23-2014, 01:17 PM
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Replies: 269
Views: 154,745
Posted By
cellurdur
"In a note written in December 1972 or later, and...
"In a note written in December 1972 or later, and among the last writings of my father's on the subject of Middle-earth, there is a discussion of the Elvish strain in Men, as to its being observable... |
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Forum: Novices and Newcomers
03-23-2014, 11:12 AM
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Replies: 269
Views: 154,745
Posted By
cellurdur
Belegorn will have to answer for himself why he...
Belegorn will have to answer for himself why he thinks the matter is important. As for it's not just a question of semantics to decide whether Elrond or Galadriel are more powerful. It's... |
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Forum: The Books
03-23-2014, 10:11 AM
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Replies: 7
Views: 7,075
Posted By
cellurdur
In the primary story of Lúthien and Beren,...
In the primary story of Lúthien and Beren, Luthien is allowed as an absolute exception to divest herself of 'immonality' and become 'mortal' — but when Beren is slain by the Wolf-warden of the Gates... |
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Forum: The Books
03-23-2014, 09:50 AM
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Replies: 7
Views: 7,075
Posted By
cellurdur
An elf cannot renounce their immortality anymore...
An elf cannot renounce their immortality anymore than a Man can decide to be immortal. It's quite impossible. There have only ever been two exceptions to his: Luthien and Tuor. If the story of... |
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Forum: Novices and Newcomers
03-23-2014, 07:32 AM
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Replies: 269
Views: 154,745
Posted By
cellurdur
I began to reply Belegorn, but there is no real...
I began to reply Belegorn, but there is no real point, because you keep ignoring what' in the text. Elrond is called the Half-Elven so many times, but you refuse to accept it. There is no point... |
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Forum: The Books
03-23-2014, 07:05 AM
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Replies: 55
Views: 19,424
Posted By
cellurdur
Read what actually happens. They don't reject...
Read what actually happens. They don't reject Arvedui's second argument, but they just choose someone else. You understand that as long as they have Elendil as the first king of Gondor then they... |
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Forum: The Books
03-22-2014, 10:51 PM
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Replies: 55
Views: 19,424
Posted By
cellurdur
No they had made a false claim, which they could...
No they had made a false claim, which they could not back up. Arvedui had made his initial claim on two points. 1. Being Isildur's heir. 2. Being the husband of Firiel. 'On the death of Ondoher... |
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Forum: Novices and Newcomers
03-22-2014, 10:39 PM
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Replies: 269
Views: 154,745
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cellurdur
Please point to me where he is called an Elf? I...
Please point to me where he is called an Elf? I have given you direct quotes showing that Elrond and Arwen are not elves. Look at the quotes you are providing. Elrond choose to be AMONG the Elves,... |
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Forum: The Books
03-22-2014, 09:22 PM
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Replies: 55
Views: 19,424
Posted By
cellurdur
Read what I said again. They rejected his claim...
Read what I said again. They rejected his claim on the basis of being Isildur's heir. However, when Arvedui makes the claim as Elendil's heir the council have no reply. 'To this Gondor made no... |
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Forum: The Books
03-22-2014, 04:38 PM
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Replies: 55
Views: 19,424
Posted By
cellurdur
The Council did not reply to the claim that...
The Council did not reply to the claim that Elendil was the first King of Gondor. They never rejected this, but merely said they had chosen to give the crown to another, due to the current... |
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Forum: Novices and Newcomers
03-22-2014, 04:35 PM
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Replies: 269
Views: 154,745
Posted By
cellurdur
The difference is Rivendell had decreased in...
The difference is Rivendell had decreased in power with other elves leaving and dying in the Last Alliance. At the same time whilst Sauron would have eventually taken Rivendell in the War of the... |
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Forum: Novices and Newcomers
03-22-2014, 04:08 PM
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Replies: 269
Views: 154,745
Posted By
cellurdur
Elrond was not an Elf. He is never referred to as...
Elrond was not an Elf. He is never referred to as an Elf. He is always Elrond the Halfelven. Nor are his sons or daughter called elves. Nothing here says he was an elf. Quite the opposite. He... |
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Forum: The Books
03-21-2014, 03:01 PM
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Replies: 73
Views: 25,996
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cellurdur
Finrod had a choice whether to break his oath or...
Finrod had a choice whether to break his oath or stick by it. The same as Belegrond did. Finrod made the choice to keep his oath. Beren did not need to fulfill his oath to gain any benefit for... |
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Forum: The Books
03-21-2014, 08:41 AM
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Replies: 73
Views: 25,996
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cellurdur
So Finrod was held to his oath, but Beren was...
So Finrod was held to his oath, but Beren was not? They both had a choice whether to keep their oaths or abandon them. Sometimes as Tolkien shows as with Beregond. If I remember correctly Luthien... |
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Forum: The Books
03-20-2014, 06:55 PM
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Replies: 73
Views: 25,996
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cellurdur
Beren cannot be blamed for not having the power...
Beren cannot be blamed for not having the power to match Luthien, but you seem to be forgetting that he saved her from the sons of Feanor. He speared Celegorm off his horse and it was he, who took a... |
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Forum: The Books
03-20-2014, 06:48 PM
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Replies: 53
Views: 20,756
Posted By
cellurdur
Well Christopher Tolkien has seen all the notes...
Well Christopher Tolkien has seen all the notes and he seems to think they were conflicting 'traditions'. This to me suggest that he believes his father intended for both stories to be 'traditions'... |
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Forum: The Books
03-20-2014, 06:04 PM
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Replies: 53
Views: 20,756
Posted By
cellurdur
Possible, but we hear that Gandalf did not go to...
Possible, but we hear that Gandalf did not go to Gondor much in that time. The Sea Kings were too proud and too strong to listen to his council. Yes, but Arwen was constantly travelling between... |
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Forum: The Books
03-20-2014, 05:25 PM
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Replies: 53
Views: 20,756
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cellurdur
I think Gandalf might have read something in the...
I think Gandalf might have read something in the records. He thoroughly was researching the ring and maybe he came across something, which the Stewards had long forgotten. Or maybe it was one of... |
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Forum: The Books
03-20-2014, 05:04 PM
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Replies: 53
Views: 20,756
Posted By
cellurdur
I don't think it is since both stories are...
I don't think it is since both stories are internal. The legend of the Princes being descended from an Elf is something we hear about in LOTR. It is a legend that Imrahil addresses. This is not a... |
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