The effect of the Great Rings upon Men

[Ivriniel]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

But are you saying this somehow disproves my point? I never said males were inherently unable to withstand the Witch-king- where did you get that idea?

believe me, I'm confused as well

There's so many materials here. Um, not so much 'disproves' the point, but implies that the rendering of Glorfindel's prophesy as about "..not by the hand of man..." has more than one emphasis.

I re-read your post 'just happened to be' a woman and a hobbit. I get where you went. It converges with part of the point I made. In one sense out of two.

It's the part you've lifted out 'special properties' as meaning that it is 'not' necessary that women and hobbits possess them that leaves this question.

What is Eowyn? (okay now I'm going to laughing hysterically). Is she not of man? As a woman, she 'just happens' to not be a man - soooo - doesn't this mean that people (or things) 'not men' that can slay a Nazgul have 'something'? Some joo joo, or some facet of mind, or some bearing, or some facility, or something?

Otherwise, why couldn't 'men' achieve it?