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11-30-2007, 02:30 PM | #121 |
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Kath -> Might
Nerwen -> Lommy Valier -> morm Might -> Might (TM 2, Lommy 1, morm 1) Rikae -> Nerwen (TM 2, Lommy 1, morm 1, Nerwen 1) Sally -> morm (TM 2, morm 2, Lommy 1, Nerwen 1) morm -> Valier (TM 2, morm 2, Lommy 1, Nerwen 1, Valier 1) Fea -> morm (morm 3, TM 2, Lommy 1, Nerwen 1, Valier 1) Brin -> Nerwen (morm 3, TM 2, Nerwen 2, Lommy 1, Valier 1) Legate -> Nerwen (morm 3, Nerwen 3, TM 2, Lommy 1, Valier 1) Volo -> Valier (morm 3, Nerwen 3, TM 2, Valier 2, Lommy 1) Half an hour til deadline. Let's make it Mac -> Nerwen (Nerwen 4, morm 3, TM 2, Valier 2, Lommy 1) And just so that it's official: ++Nerwen (edit: crossed with Aganzir's vote) |
11-30-2007, 02:36 PM | #122 |
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Gack! Should have been more active here.
Anyhow, it's getting close to the deadline, and I think I ought to vote. Regarding who seems suspicious, I'm going to go with something I noticed earlier in morm. Basically, he seems to be acting odd lately, posting a lot less than he has in the past (with one of them being a random accusation toss-out near the beginning). I agree that he seems suspicious. Moreover, his stated reason for voting Valier is that she might get him lynched if she doesn't die soon. That really doesn't sound good. Valier and The Might have been described as two wolves that agreed to adopt different playing styles, and I would agree with Rikae's sentiment that their interaction early on appears "scripted" as she put it. However, I doubt Valier is a wolf if a were-morm is willing to put her life in jeopardy. As for The Might's self-vote, that does not mean much to me. I remember a fellow from the old days of WW by the name of Nilpaurion Felagund who used to vote for himself all the time, Wolf or no. My vote today is going to: ++mormegil Now, since it seems unlikely that I'll be lynched today and have not made myself look suspicious enough to be lynched tomorrow, I can only assume that the wolves will eat me tonight. Therefore, after the Day is done, I'll make sure to set the dinner table for the guests and cover myself in butter.
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11-30-2007, 02:41 PM | #123 | |
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This is getting pretty horrible.
I'll probably be voting for Nerwen as well. Like I said before, she is the least non-suspicious of the ones in vote and I dislike the idea of bringing new candidates in. Besides, now that I think on it, I must say that the phrase Quote:
Something about Lommy is still making me uneasy, though.. Should Nerwen be lynched and innocent, though, it would certainly make me put an additional questionmark on Lommy's innocence. Well, better get on with it, then. ++ Nerwen
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11-30-2007, 02:43 PM | #124 |
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Votes this far:
Kath -> Might Nerwen -> Lommy Valier -> morm Might -> Might (TM 2, Lommy 1, morm 1) Rikae -> Nerwen (TM 2, Lommy 1, morm 1, Nerwen 1) Sally -> morm (TM 2, morm 2, Lommy 1, Nerwen 1) morm -> Valier (TM 2, morm 2, Lommy 1, Nerwen 1, Valier 1) Fea -> morm (morm 3, TM 2, Lommy 1, Nerwen 1, Valier 1) Brin -> Nerwen (morm 3, TM 2, Nerwen 2, Lommy 1, Valier 1) Legate -> Nerwen (morm 3, Nerwen 3, TM 2, Lommy 1, Valier 1) Volo -> Valier (morm 3, Nerwen 3, TM 2, Valier 2, Lommy 1) Wife -> Nerwen (Nerwen 4, morm 3, TM 2, Valier 2, Lommy 1) Mac -> Nerwen (Nerwen 5, morm 3, TM 2, Valier 2, Lommy 1) Menel -> morm (Nerwen 5, morm 4, TM 2, Valier 2, Lommy 1) LG -> Nerwen (Nerwen 6, morm 4, TM 2, Valier 2, Lommy 1) Left to vote (unless I am mistaken): Thinlómien Farael (not probable) Shastanis Althreduin Kuruharan Please be careful that you don't cross-post with anyone. A cross-post can mean a double-lynch in these circumstances, so try to type quick. In case of Lommy and LG ( ) such a thing should not happen, but otherwise... EDIT: okay, I'm saying something and not doing that myself x-ed with LG. I'm editing the post to reflect her vote.
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11-30-2007, 02:47 PM | #126 |
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Let's make it a bit more certain.
++Nerwen Now, I hope she really is a wolf. It's not nice for anyone if she isn't (expect for the wolves obv.) and it won't be definitely nice to me, judging by various comments heard toDay... edit: xed with morm
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11-30-2007, 02:49 PM | #127 |
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I'm not totally comfortable with my choices here.
While I can't deny that morm hasn't been posting normally...I'm not comfortable with voting against him. I'm also not comfortable voting for Nerwen either. I'd really rather vote for Thinlómien... But at this point in many respects one is about as good as the other...either one could be a wolf... Course, they might both be innocent too... Still... ++ Nerwen
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This seems horribly apologetic. We vote as best we can and live with the consequences. I never like this approach and it makes me more suspicious than I was before. I feel like you are saying..."well, here goes my vote, when it turns out that your innocent you will all know that I felt really bad for it, so don't come looking my way because I'm innocent"
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11-30-2007, 02:52 PM | #129 |
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A very quickly formed list mainly to avoid being killied during the night for not suspecting clearly ( )
Leaning Good: Thinlómien Meneltarmacil Macalaure The Might Mormegil Leaning Neutral (unknown): Aganzir Feanor of the Peredhil Brinniel Satansaloser2005 Farael Shastanis Althreduin Kuruharan Kath Nerwen Leaning Evil: Legate of Amon Lanc A Little Green Valier Rikae |
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11-30-2007, 02:57 PM | #132 | |
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Since I won't be here the next Day, if Nerwen is innocent, I urge somebody to take a very close look at Thinlómien. I just have a bad feeling about her.
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11-30-2007, 03:00 PM | #134 |
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The sun has set and Nerwen will be no more.
Please wait a moment...
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11-30-2007, 03:43 PM | #135 |
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Day1
What does a shocked and stupefied hobbit do to get over the anguish?
Well you guessed it right. They all crowded into the Green Dragon to get some advice with a pint. The older members of the village: the old Lommy Baggins, Menel "Lupo" Furryface (who did fall asleep only to wake up a minute before the sunset), Morm Harrybelly and gammer Fea-Belladonna Briarpatch, Farael Twofoot (who never woke up after getting a nap after the first pint), Val Furryfoot, Kath Woodyend and the gaffer Kuru Shrewthwacker sat on the big table in the middle of the inn. The adults: both Sackville-Bagginses, Agan and Legate, Volo "Justy" Proudfoot, Mac Sandyman, Brinn Burrows and Rikae Took claimed the second largest one. The youngsters: Might of Greenholm, Sally Shortbrush, Lilla Greenhand, Nerwen Hornblower and Shasta of the River were forced to be content with the smallest one right beside the doorway. One thing was clear on everyone’s mind: no hobbit had ever killed another hobbit in the Shire. But now it seemed that the age-old tradition was in danger of being broken. The faces were stern when the discussion opened but soon the hobbits fell back to their normal manner of speaking with jokes shared and puns thrown over and within the tables. And there was ale a-plenty and loads of food as well. After all if they had prepared for a feast so why to leave the food to rot even if there wasn't the jubilant mood they had been expecting? The old feuds between the Harrybellies and Furryfoots seemed to ignite and in the end of the day the usual “she’s a Baggins so she can’t be up to any good” –argument was brought to the table as well. At one point the young Greenholm already stood up from his table and promised to kill himself if the older people didn’t leave him alone. But as no one seemed to take the dramatics seriously enough he quietly settled back to his seat. After getting a mug or two too much of ale Legate Sackville-Baggins rose from his seat and started throwing suspicions to the table of the elders: “I’m displeased with you Harrybelly; and your arguments old Shrewthwacker are not valid and I don’t even like your behaviour in the first place; and Miss. Briarpatch, your wits are sleepy”. After some cooling down it was decided that no major damage was done – even if he was a Sackville-Baggins. It soon became obvious that also some others than the loudmouthed Legate Sackville-Baggins were having second thoughts over the old Morm Harrybelly. But even more clouds started emerging over the young Nerwen Hornblower. She had actively taken part in the discussions at the early hours but went paler and paler - and fell quieter and quieter - as the discussion got on. "I’d say it’s you", said Rikae Took and Brinn Burrows agreed. The Sackville-Bagginses were ready to follow the line. Mac Sandyman looked at the others around him in the adult’s table and agreed as well. The adult’s table had spoken – only Volo "Justy" Proudfoot looked like disagreeing. Some youngsters as well as oldies seemed to be happy with the decision. “So what shall we do then?” asked Kuru Shrewthwacker. “Killing feels nasty” added Lommy Baggins. “I’ll spare you the trouble” the young Hornblower said and ran out from the Inn. The others followed after her but it was too late. Nerwen had thrown herself into the Water. Her body floated downriver. It was an unchanged body of a hobbit. The dead: Nogrod (mod) - Noggie Boffin - beheaded and played soccer with on Night1 Nerwen (ordo) - Nerwen Hornblower - jumped to the river not to force anyone to kill another hobbit on Day1 The living: Thinlómien - Lommy Baggins Legate of Amon Lanc - Legate Sackville-Baggins Aganzir - Agan Sackville-Baggins Meneltarmacil - Lupo Furryface Volo - Justy Proudfoot Macalaure - Mac Sandyman The Might - Might of Greenholm Mormegil - Mormegil Harrybelly Feanor of the Peredhil - Belladonna Briarpatch Brinniel - Brinn Burrows Satansaloser2005 - Sally Shortbrush Farael – Farael Twofoot A Little Green - Lilla Greenhand Valier - Vallen FurryFoot Kath – Kath Woodyend Rikae – Rikae Took Shastanis Althreduin – Shasta of the River Kuruharan -Kuru Shrewthwacker Night2 has landed. The werewolves do your thing. The Seer and The Ranger give me your picks.
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The werewolves gathered around the mallorn as the Night before. “Before we go on... or okay, we can walk as we talk... I’d like to get this piece out from my mind”, started the Flame. “I mean one thing still baffles me. I really felt good last Night playing football with that miserable hobbit – and you must admit it was a beauty for a goal. But does it mean I’m not bad then because I was doing something that felt good?” “No, no, no... Let’s make one thing clear. We have our own right and our own good. And we pursue them as well as these goodies pursue theirs. Our good just is evil while theirs is good”, the Shard explained somewhat impatiently and kicked the door of a hobbithole in. “But if you take that position you have to admit that in the end we are striving at exactly the same thing as the goodies... the final good I mean?”, put in the Breath who was following the Shard inside at arm’s lengtht. Together they dragged the struggling Furryfoot out from under the cupboard she had tried to hide and threw him violently on to the table for the Drop and the Flame to catch. “Okay, now hold this creature for me if you please. It’s hard to cut not hitting a vein when the thing you’re supposed to cut kicks and bites.” The Drop demanded looking at his friends resentfully. “And coming back to the topic... isn’t the good of the goodies then the good itself and thus the primary good? That would mean that our good is just a corrupted mirror-image or at least derivative of or subservient to the good itself?”, he continued while cutting the hobbit's skin carefully first from the breast and stomach and then continuing down the inner sides of her legs. “That’s a hard nut to crack indeed”, the Flame frowned and started peeling Vallen’s skin off from the cut the Drop had made. This far she had been wailing and screaming but now she seemed to fall in somekind of trance of pain and just shook quietly letting out an occasional wail every now and then. “Alright. So you’re on for an argument, eh?”, asked the Shard who had been building a fire at the other end of the livingroom but now stood up and turned around. “Look at it this way then. If we just make a distinction between the the good and bad as such and the good and bad as we feel them? Wouldn’t that solve the problem for you?” “Ahh, that’s a clever move.” The Breath said raising his head to look at the Shard for a second. He had been helping the Flame with the groins but halted the operation to answer. “But it still doesn’t seem to cancel the fact that we should be striving for bad and still we pursue that which we feel good about”, the Breath looked content with his answer and went back finishing the skinning. “My brain hurts...”, the Drop exclaimed with a low voice bringing the skewer to the table. “Oh, that’s too bad! Or is it good for you?”, grinned the Flame as he took the skewer from the Drop and started turning the now completely skinned hobbit around. “Shut up or I’ll entertain myself with slowly grilling you instead of this hobbit!”, the Drop challenged the Flame now clearly irritated, grasping the skewer from the other end and looking at the Flame to the eyes dead seriously. “I don’t like the way you make jokes over grave matters.” “Okay, c’mon guys. No need to get upset because of a civilised conversation.” The Breath came between the two and tried to cool his mates. “Now let’s ask the hobbit. She seems to be still alive and kickin’”, with that he flashed his most hearty grin. “So what do you say? Is this good or bad?” the Drop asked bending towards the half-dead hobbit’s face. Valier Furryfoot was trembling from cold, pain and agony but managed to mutter an answer. “B-bb-ad, tt-terr-ibly b-bad, p-pleee-ase be ki-iind an-dd le-mme g-go!” “You see? We’re doing the right thing!”, the Shard yelled from the other part of the room triumphantly. “Oh my... the right thing then... here we go again”, the Breath frowned and looked at his two friends standing around the silently squeaking and shivering skinned hobbit. “No, no. Nonsense. She said this is bad and we are baddies so lets get on with it! No more nuts, more action, okay?”, the Flame finally bursted and ran the skewer through the hobbit who screamed the last time in her life as she lost her consciousness from pain. “Maybe you’re right”, said the Drop and hoisted the skinned hobbitskewer with the help of the Breath. “But I’m not sure the matter is settled as yet”. “Right? D’uh!”, the Breath shook his head. “The fire’s ready yet?” Quote:
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Now that was quite disgusting...
The topmost question right now is why was Valier killed. The first possible reason that occured to me was this: (and I believe I'm probably not mistaken here) Quote:
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12-01-2007, 03:19 PM | #138 |
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Oh dear. That IS indeed brutal and senseless violence. I think Noggie's gone a little bit off the deep end.
Let us have a moment of silence for our friend Valier Furryfoot. Her wisdom has guided us, her presence has lifted our spirits, and her body has made quite tasty horsdeouvres. Uhhhh I mean....we'll miss her?
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12-01-2007, 03:22 PM | #139 |
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Lol, again a nice story Nogrod, makes me somehow think of the 3 trolls.
Anyway, about the first day, I think it was A Little Green that put it best, I simply wasn't in the mood of again being voted like in the last game only because I act a bit confused and maybe confusing. No confusion means no fun I guess. And Legate was correct too, I did want to see if I would be lynched like Rikae in the last game. Anyway, it really is hard for me to analyse how people act, as I have very little to compare this with, in some cases nothing at all. I find Legate somewhat suspicious at the moment...as far as the others are concerned I have yet made a clear opinion...really difficult if you don't know the people. Well, hopefully will make my mind today, after I read through some more posts.
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Why I think Val was killed (based on her posts)
Valier's own words (chronologically):
Lynch the loud. Day one is irksome, given lack of useable evidence. She's innocent. Morm is sketching her out by being quiet-- --isn't acting like himself-- --without excusing the change-- "I tend to believe that he has some hair up his sleeve." She's innocent. Morm's sketching her out-- --but she doesn't have evidence, just a feeling-- --she might not be right, but she'd rather find out through lynching morm-- Don't kill her, her feelings are sure to find at least one wolf. She only has her instincts as 'proof.' "Tomorrow is another day and if I survive till then it will be all the brighter" And then she votes for morm. --- Okay. So I think the wolves killed her to frame morm, like I already said. But I also think they probably killed her because of how plainly she was expressing her confidence in her gut reactions. Because we all get whims, you know? And we'd like to think we're right. But she said outright that she was sure she was going to discover a wolf. And whether or not she did discover a wolf, that statement ("I AM going to find you" instead of "so I think I might be right") would be an eye-catcher. So pretty much I agree with Legate saying Quote:
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That was disgusting.
I, too, think it sounds probable that the wolves mistook Valier for the seer, but two other possible reasons struck me as well. 1) Valier & her hunches were considered too dangerous for someone. 2) At least one of the wolves is rather quiet and Valier was considered dangerous as she said we should keep an eye on the quiet ones. There were others who were more than her for lynching the quiet, though, so I don't know.
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The only people Valier mentioned were The Might and morm.
As to The Might, she only disagreed with his tactic about lynching the quiet, so that is hardly going to lead us anywhere. Morm then... this is more complicated... Valier said she's getting a "weird vibe" from him, which sounds like a seerish comment. Quote:
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Lommy and the other wolves you make me laugh! What a cheap attempt at a frame job if I've ever seen one. Let's see...take the person who received the second most votes and kill the person who had nothing more than a hunch and set her up as the seer. Not quite so clever and hopefully futile. The more I read Lommy the more I'm convinced of her guilt.
Of course, those who know me well know that this is a bluff I would try to pull off so there is a problem for many people. My guess is that voting will come down to either Lommy or me. I trust the village to look at things objectively and decide correct...of course, something drastic could happen that changes the course of the day but I doubt it. Fea, the problem is I feel it far more likely that the wolves didn't mention Valier much if at all. That is the general Modus Operandi of first night kills.
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In any case, I'm leaning toward morm's innocence. I just don't think he'd have killed Val, especially if she'd dreamt of him. It's just too self-incriminating.
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12-01-2007, 04:31 PM | #147 |
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Oh couldn't she? In spite of the fact that it was Day 1? Really, Lommy, you know better than to say this. I suppose you're hoping that we will refrain from following day one suspicions now that two were proven innocent, or that this kill will look like an attempt to frame you, but yesterday you looked more furry to me with every post and this does not help.
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12-01-2007, 04:33 PM | #148 | |
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Valier's dead and innocent, eh? Why not me? I could have left cooking instructions and everything...
Being mistaken for the Seer does sound like a good reason for a wolf-kill, and actually would suggest that morm is not really a wolf. I doubt a morm-wolf would vote for somebody that he was trying to lynch last night. Or would he? He could be trying to double-bluff us. Regarding his attack on my reasoning, he does seem to have a valid point about me. I did misunderstand his "Valier wants to kill me because I might lynch her" statement. He follows it up by asking me Quote:
Now morm seems to be asking me to make a similar statement regarding Valier. A smart move for a wolf, goading the innocent into making his family's classic slip-up and going to the gallows for it. However, the last Night's activities do cast doubt on a morm-wolf scenario, so caution is necessary. Mostly, I just wanted to talk here so as not to be too silent. Talking often is always a good idea.
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12-01-2007, 04:34 PM | #149 |
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Well, while I do think there's a chance the wolves thought Valier a seer, I would find it strange that they would kill her if morm's a wolf. After all, if she had been revealed as a seer, her death would directly point to morm as she suspected him so strongly. The wolves should know that a were-morm would most likely be lynched if that situation were to occur. I suppose they could've been worried she would reveal or a second wolf was in danger of being dreamt of, too. If morm is furry, then by killing Valier (thinking she's a seer), he is practically choosing to sacrifice himself for the other wolves. Well, I suppose that's always a possibility.
But it's also possible the wolves killed Valier to simply incriminate morm. And probably more likely. EDIT: X-ed with morm, Fea, Rikae, Menel (sorry, I'm multi-tasking)
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So right now my main suspect is morm and another person I suspect to some extent is Little Green. Great. I find two people suspicious (no, I really don't find Brinn suspicious enough to be included) in a village of 16 living people (discounting myself) in which there are four wolves... EDIT: xed with morm, Fea, Rikae, Menel, Brinn and Agan.... huh.
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Double post, but this was something I'd thought of earlier:
A lot of Nerwen's "wolfish qualities" merely reflected that she was still a bit new to the game, particularly her need to actively defend herself against every perceived threat. I'd like to add now that I suspect at least one wolf (probably just one, two at the very most) of voting for her, so checking the Nerwen-voters is probably a good idea. EDIT: Cross-posted with everyone who posted after my earlier post today
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NOTICE: cross-posted with all since Fea's long post "Everybody that directly mentioned her". I don't have time (or more, energy) to write another thing corresponding to the posts I x-posted with, but I will surely think about them till tomorrow. The main point of this is that the concerned person, morm, has posted meanwhile.
I don't have probably much to add to what was already said. I believe most of what was voiced makes sense, except for, as always, my wife, who is chatting here and making improbable theories instead of preparing something to eat for me (that's how it works at us Sackville-Bagginses). What I mean: Agan, the reasons you say could have been also reasons for her getting killed seem to be very, very weak points. I mean, seriously, I don't think anyone would kill Valier only because he considered her hunches dangerous or that he was a quiet one (that seems really silly to me because there were others speaking about quiet ones and, anyway, surely not ALL the wolves are quiet ones? Or what? Well they could be, but I believe everyone focuses, to a certain extent, on the quiet ones. At least in certain stage of the game it would come). These could have been secondary reasons, but if one of them were, there had to be also one primary reason that was not one of these two. And that I believe to be her comment: Quote:
But all of this is stemming from the basic idea, as I said, that Valier was killed because of being the Seer. It's not the only possibility, but for me really the most probable. I can't just imagine a clever wolf-morm saying "Arrgh! Valier voted me, we must kill her!" as the only reason. He would have three companions to calm him down, in any case. So, as I said - I agree with the basic opinion that was outlined here, and for the finish before I go to sleep, I can say my feelings on the posts of the people who appeared here today this far. Lommy, especially her last (totally confused ) post strike me as very innocentish (if you are a wolf, Lommy, this far you are fooling me brilliantly). Sally makes me quite nervous with these cannibalistic notes, but she is always like that, as far as I noticed. The Might holds up to the image I have created of him, so even he looks more or less okay. Fea is helpful... very helpful. Does she do that always? Agan, last but not least, seems genuine, though... though. Her points that I criticised above play no role in that - they seem genuine. Simply wrong (from my POV) opinions. But the general way of the post can be also that a wolf has arrived here, realised where the wind is turning to and posted according to it. But who knows. I'm leaving now. Bye.
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12-01-2007, 04:38 PM | #154 | |
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Urgh, again.
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Lommy is once again hurrying to understand how the Wolves thought - like when she herself was a Wolf. But since the thought of Valier's assumed Seerdom also passes my head (like when Lommy was Wolf... ) I won't condemn her for this. I have two ideas about Valier's death, although I'll also take the other ideas brought up into account. 1. Valier was thought to be the Seer. (Assuming what the Wolves might have thought -) She might have felt danger during Day1 and already then decided to leave hints about her dream, as her vote for morm was a somewhat wierd and random-ish otherwise. I think that morm might be a Wolf if this is the case. 2. Valier was simply lynched for not leaving a trail and because at least one of the Wolves is sporty. Such players are in my opinion Lommy, Legate, Mac, morm, Fea (?), Brin, Kath, Kuru, Rikae (?) and Aganzir (?) (- questionmarks are signs of doubt if the players are "sporty" enough for the deed). In this case there's probably at least two Wolves in this mightily broad list - which can be reduced in time as new evidence arrives and don't mean everybody dying. I'll go to sleep now, I have some ideas about who might be who, but I'm plain too tired to form a post about them. EDIT: Xd with everything since morm |
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Here's a post I wrote last night, after reading all the posts from day 1 and knowing Nerwen's role. Coment on last night's kill coming up.
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Dang man, did he just defend someone?? (I know, it's a moot point now)What's he going to do next? accuse someone on somewhat circumstancial evidence? You bet.Would you expect any less from me? Quote:
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To me, that sounds like a very clever tactic... offer the bait, and if an eager fish bites on it let them run free... they'll look suspicious and thus you not only kill an ordo, but you make another ordo look bad. Win-win situation anyone? Rikae's accusation of Nerwen is here Quote:
Waaaaa? First he defended someone, now he's going to flip-flop within his very first post? I've played in the past with Rikae and disliked her (game-wise, of course) from Day 1, even though I think she was an ordo (can't quite recall). She is very agressive (again, game-wise) and not afraid to point fingers, she went at me with a vengeance that one game!! However, that's EXACTLY why I suspect her right now. When she started suspecting Nerwen she seemed a little off, but then most people do... but when she shifted the accusations on to Loomy, even though Rikae had started them herself, she looked wolfish. After all, in the past, she's never been afraid to accuse someone! And neither have I. She's a wolf, or I'll eat my two feet!! --Farael Twofoot. P.S: It's a shame that I missed day 1... one of my characters on the LoTR MMORPG is called Folco Twofoot and he's the loveliest of hobbits, I meant to post in-character as him but I never had a chance. P.P.S: Since Fea mentioned that she did the same thing The Might did when she was guilty, I should mention that I reacted the exact same way one time I was being accused and I was an ordo. I just got frustrated that no-one would listen. I don't think his behaviour is particularly fishy, but it's not a "get out of jail free" card either. Veteran players who have played with me know that I've proven once and again that you can say just about any insanity and go unlynched, while you can say all the right things and gather a lot of suspicion. That's why I'm not afraid of speaking my mind. Not to mention that The Might does have a point... Werewolf HAS gotten formulaic, while analysis are useful sometimes, they also bog down the game IMO. It's not a basis for suspecting people, as it has become "good manners" to do long, analytical posts where you have tons of quotes and you look at the whole village all at once. But in my opinion, those posts are useless at this stage of the game. FIrst of all, we have a near-full complement of villagers, but little hard information to go by. Hard information being: -Voting patterns -A dead wolf to analyze his behaviour towards certain people -A revelation by a Seer Therefore, I find it more useful in the first few days to go out there and cause a reaction. If everyone is reacting to everyone else, then when we finally nail a wolf (and it will happen) we'll have hard data (the way the wolf acted/reacted towards others). If all we do are long lists that have much content but little reaction and are very well thought-out, we have no evidence. Why? because reactions are often less premeditated than analysis posts, and therefore more likely to contain a little slip of the furry tounge. Conversely, while writing an analysis, a wolf may look ten times over for those "red flags" that we are all used to noticing. So he posts a red-flag free, seemingly helpful analysis and who's going to suspect him for it? Sure, he might get it all wrong, but don't we all?... Wow, that's a lot of text... but I'd like to go back to my accusation. Rikae looks suspicious, as she started the accusations against Nerwen, she was the first one to vote for Nerwen and yet she made it look as if it was Loomy who was agressively going after Nerwen. Fishy Fishy Furry. Edit: Crossed with everyone after FEa's long post of everyone who mentioned VAlier
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What I meant by that strongly suspect-comment was that surely someone who says "I'm quite confident x is innocent" doesn't seem very seerish to wolves if x is one of them? Or it doesn't at least make them think the someone's a seer in the first place. I mean, seers tend to be careful with their suspicions because if they die, they don't want their words to be misinterpreted. And I'd like to add that I said it all depends on the actual wording. You're overlooking that part of my post a bit too happily. I think it is possible that a partial reason to Valier's death was that the wolves wanted to frame morm, but that creates more questions than it answers to. Why did the wolves choose to make a frame-up kill? It is quite rare, after all. Maybe to confuse us just because of that, but wouldn't they have rather gone after seer (or ranger) -looking people? And if the wolves really chose to frame somebody, why did they pick morm? EDIT: xed with everybody since my last post
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12-01-2007, 04:50 PM | #157 | |
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I must admit I have skimmed the narration, I will have to go back in a bit and see what all the nastiness was about.
But Valier dead. I find myself agreeing with those who think her death may have been due to the wolves thinking she was the Seer. I don't really recall Valier making such a thing of the fact that she can catch people on hunches so early on in the past, and I think it quite possible that the wolves thought she was hiding her Seerness behind those feelings. Of course, it is also entirely possible that they killed her off because they know how dangerous a player she can be, but if you're looking for Seer hints on the first Night you've a chance to, I'd say Valier left some accidental ones. However, as it happens the wolves were, thankfully, wrong, and that brings me to a point from toDay. Quote:
What else has been happening? Oh yes, Lommy is trying to work out whether this is a frame up or a clever double bluff for morm. Well, morm was a little shouty in reply but that is actually pretty understandable given that Lommy practically gave him no way out! Having said that though, I'm pretty used to Lommy trying out every available situation in one post so I'm thinking she's innocent at the moment. morm too for that matter, as he reacted normally rather than defensively to being accused, at least to my mind. Fea, argh! Such loooong posts to go through, and as yet no comment on them. Getting everything together is certainly helpful, but I'd like some of her own words as well. Hmm, think I'd better stop as I believe I have cross-posted with a LOT of people ... I can see the emails coming through. Plus, I'm kinda out of thoughts for a bit. |
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12-01-2007, 04:51 PM | #158 |
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Well, there's something I hadn't noticed, Farael. Thank you for bringing that to our attention.
I think we may have our Nerwen-voter wolf. Rikae's frequent accusations of her weren't good to begin with, but pinning the blame on someone else is worse. Also noteworthy is that both Rikae and mormegil have been pointing fingers at Lommy. Conspiracy, perhaps? Of course, it could just as easily be a coincidence.
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12-01-2007, 04:54 PM | #159 | |
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12-01-2007, 04:55 PM | #160 |
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Ok, more stuff - quickly:
1. I doubt that Valier was killed for looking like a Seer if morm isn't a Wolf, so in that case it would be just to frame him. Which leads us to nothing. 2. Rikae, why did you drop your style (voted self on Day1 in her first post, was it?) from the preveous game so totally and completely? Last game you seemed to regard Day1 as a waste of time and now you're so certain that the Wolves can be found by analysis already on Day1. This is just a questing, it has been bothering me. 3. Looking at yesterDay, I'm quite sure that Lommy has been Seered upon. I wouldn't concentrate on her too much toDay. Basicly because I don't suspect her a lot. Post #126 seems genuine at the very least, a Wolf wouldn't have phrased her words so, unless Lommy did a very smart bluff on purpose. X:d with everything since my preveous post. Now I'm totally offline. |
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