Werewolf XLII: The meaning of life forever

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kath

Lommy as Seer ~ it just doesn't look believable. She was quiet after Nog's revelation and then suddenly pops up with this.

Kath. Two hours before Nog "came out" I went to sleep and said that I'll be away for a long time, possibly for as much as 15 hours. When Nogrod made his "revelation" it was almost 1am our time, my computer was off and I was soundly asleep and I only saw his posts many hours later. That is why I didn't come out earlier.

Originally Posted by Kath

There have been suggestions that we lynch either Nog or Lommy but I really don't want to do that. If we lynch Nog and he takes down Lommy then we lose two toDay and one toNight, with 2/3 of those being innocents. If we lynch Lommy and she really is the Seer we lose a Gifted and with so many wolves I don't think we can afford to do that.

So I basically want to ignore those two until we see the outcome of toNight.

The outcome won't tell anything. You will only hear that I'm dead and Nogrod will claim I was a wolf and you haven't gained proof of anything, only lost a Defender. Don't you see that? Or, from another point of view: even if I was a wolf and Nogrod was a guardian, my death wouldn't help you at all. You wouldn't still know if you can trust Nogrod or not. Thereby it's utter folly to leave me to be killed by Nogrod and his fellows: not only because you'll lose a Defender, but also because my death won't tell you anything.

That post of yours made me immediately suspect you Kath. That ill-reasoned suggestion sounds like the talk of a wolf or a cobbler.

If we lynch Nogrod and he is a wolf, someone of us (not necessarily anyone that can be trusted though) will know his role and can tell it. We will get rid of a wolf.
If we lynch Nogrod and he is a guardian like he claims, he will take me with him and that action itself will prove his innocence and my guilt. We will get rid of a wolf.
If we lynched me, someone of us will know that I truly was a Defender and that Nogrod was a wolf. We won't get rid of a wolf.
If we lynched me and I was a wolf, someone would be informed of that too and we'd get rid of a wolf.
See?

We should get rid of this lying and confusion-causing Noggiewolf, and rather sooner than later. Even for you who cannot know the facts, lynching him toDay is the surest option.

Originally Posted by Agan

No, that's not what I think, and don't twist my words. I was speaking about what kind of impression I got from your posts, and that impression includes the idea that you thought like that.

I never twist words intentionally. I did not understand you meant that, because, to put it bluntly, you phrased it quite unclearly then. And if you got that kind of impression from my posts, well, you're quite quick to jump to conclusions. Wolfishly quick?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'm actually rather interested to see whom Lommy would like us to look at.

Ok. Other opinions? I'm quite torn whether I should reveal it or not, because with bad luck I'm exposing a gifted and with good luck it's a wolf... Should we take chances?

edit: xed with Sally and THE Ka

[Kath]

Lommy I just have a problem trusting anything you're saying. I get the time thing, I must admit that I hadn't seen that you said you were leaving, but you feel very different to me and I find much in what you post suspicious.

However, someone popped up with some stats and it looked to me like leaving the thing with you and Nog for the Day was a far better idea than lynching either of you.

Now, I have to vote because I need to leave and my vote is going to go to:

++VALIER

Next to Lommy I am most suspicious of her for the reasons stated earlier.

[satansaloser2005]

Quite honestly, if there's any person I'd care to NOT lynch, it's Noggie. At least, not toDay. I still quite believe him about being a gifted, and yet I won't deny there's something funny about him. As I've stated, I'd prefer to lynch Val or McCaber as they are my top suspects. And frankly, if Lommie is indeed a seer, I'd hate to lose her, though odds are if both Lommie and Noggie survive toDay, one of them will die tonight. Gah, decisions, decisions! I'm going off to think about this more.

[satansaloser2005]

It occured to me that I should explain that last post a bit. I want to kill Noggie,....I mean....oh you understand. I find him odd and I think we'll need to solve the Noggie mystery eventually, but I don't think now's the time to do it. If he is the guardian and the wolves are silly enough to kill him during the night, then he dies and takes (hopefully) a wolf with him. Leave Noggie alive at least for today and let's try and catch us a wolf and shrink their numbers. Then tomorrow if necessary we can take care of Lommie or Noggie.

[Nogrod]

Okay I'm back and even if I haven't had time to read all there has happened since I last visited it looks like there is some folly swirling around this place...

I don't ask you to trust me. How could you? Trust the sense in my proposal: I will kill Lommy this Night. Also the wolves will kill toNight. Two kills then. That's only possible if the Guardian (me) made the other kill as the wolves only have one.

My case proven, one wolf down and a known innocent around.

If only Lommy is killed it means that either the wolves didn't kill for some unfathomable reason (why should they not kill?) or the protector saved someone. Good for us whichever the case - even if not too probable. But one wolf still down and no innocent dying.

Okay. You say I'm a wolf and we wolves kill Lommy toNight and that's why there is only one death? Well you can lynch me if you wish the next Day but I may take another wolf down when I die then. So even if you don't believe what I say then you still need to admit the endresult is the same.

It's up to you to decide whether you wish to try for better results.

You'll have no problem lynching me toMorrow if there's only one death toNight. I can help you in it if you wish.

I'll try to read now what has been said since I left...

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Quite honestly, if there's any person I'd care to NOT lynch, it's Noggie. At least, not toDay. I still quite believe him about being a gifted, and yet I won't deny there's something funny about him.

If he is indeed a hunter, he can do us the most good if he is lynched now. He can only kill one wolf, and if he does so by day, we will know the wolf's role and his and have something to analyze.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I never twist words intentionally. I did not understand you meant that, because, to put it bluntly, you phrased it quite unclearly then. And if you got that kind of impression from my posts, well, you're quite quick to jump to conclusions. Wolfishly quick?

Ok, after rereading what I wrote I admit I was being rather unclear. But if I have a feeling someone is a wolf, I do tend to say that aloud.

Voting record
Brinn: Nog
Menel: Valier
Zali: McCaber
Kath: Valier
(Val-2, Nog-1, Caber-1)

Where's Valier? She hasn't spoken a word today, has she?

Nog, why is the thought of lynching Lommy now so undesirable to you?

I'll do some reading now and hopefully get a clearer image of Caber.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, I'm preparing to leave, so I need to vote. I simply can't make up my mind between Val and McCaber. Under other circumstances I wouldn't do this, but since there are no double lynches in this game I'll go with....

++McCaber

If for no other reason than to increase his chances of getting lynched. I'll probably be happy with either a McCaber or a Valier kill though. Just putting my vote where I feel it will be best used.

I'll stick around for like ten more minutes and see how things progress, but don't expect any more posts from me unless I think I need to put something in really quickly.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Agan

Nog, why is the thought of lynching Lommy now so undesirable to you?

Possibly because then someone would know he was lying?

In principle, there is no problem if Nogrod's lynch takes place toMorrow instead of toDay, but as I'm afraid I will die next Night, I'd rather see him dead now. Why? Because we're losing already. If it really doesn't matter if we kill a mastermind like Nogrod toDay or toMorrow, why not do it toDay, and "steal" the wolves one chance of negotiating with such a cunning fellow as Nogrod? Also, seeing how his honeyed tongue has affected people toDay, I'm afraid that if we leave him alive, he will speak his way out of the trouble toMorrow when I'm not there to stop him anymore. I'm sorry, I don't want to underestimate anyone here, but it seems like the big majority of this village is easily lead by Nogrod and his nonsense.

Lastly, if we get rid of Nogrod now, it will save us from focusing all the attention on him toMorrow and by toMorrow, there might be other known or heavily suspected wolves around, so I really think we should lynch Nogrod toDay. I will vote for him unless I must vote someone else to save myself.

edit: xed with Sally

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Also, seeing how his honeyed tongue has affected people toDay

How desperate does one get? "Honey-tongued"? Me? Of all the people?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

How desperate does one get? "Honey-tongued"? Me? Of all the people?

Forgive my broken English, I would not, of course, claim that your manner or wording is particularly smooth or sweet - I know you too well for that - but what I was trying to imply is that the action behind your words is smooth and sweet. Yes, honey is the wrong word. You can't phrase your wolvish things smoothly&sweetly like honey, but rather make nonsense sound reasonable and can definitely use rhetorics to your own advantage. Was that a better phrasing?

[Thinlómien]

And I'd rather not take this mirror style back again, but if you're talking of being desperate, just look at what kind of points you're throwing at me: "she phrased this badly, therefore she must be a wolf!"



edit: xed with Agan

[Isabellkya]

I am confused as to why people still seem to think that we will absolutely for sure know what the lynched player's role is. Even when Volo made a clarifying post about it. That yes the lynched player's role will randomly be revealed to another player.. yet it doesn't mean they will be alive, nor does it mean they will be a gifted or ordo.

I don't know if you play werewolf anywhere else Aganzir.. but I do. It has been said since I started playing here. With that.. just because someone reveals their role on the thread, does not in any way make it true. Too often, wolves/baddies reveal their 'role' on the thread as a tactic.. to save themselves. They reveal roles which are hard to prove. Why? Because more often than not, when someone reveals, the villagers get a zombie-like response and want to put absolute faith into such a claim. Especially when the reveal is that of a seer. I would rather look at the claim combined with everything else, than trust it blindly.

Because trust is the ultimate luxury in werewolf games, and too often is trust misplaced.

At the moment, I'm leaning more towards Sally than Nog/Lommy mainly because I get the feeling of unease when I read her posts. It is the 'clarifying' posts which follow her posts which doesn't really sit right.

Anywhoo, I'll continue reading.

X'd with Lommy, Aganzir, Lommy.

[Nogrod]

Okay Lommy chose then to portray herself as a Defender (seer) then. How nice. And also she had the good luck of hitting a non-ordo. Even better. How come the most important things? Although you forgot the fact that we can't trust anyone here with their word and that makes the defender in the worst scenario quite a redundant person here. The only one who can prove his role is the Guardian as he can do things others can't. I can show it to you the next Night. If you follow Lommy's advice there's nothing that could tell you whether what she told you was true or not. Anyone can pose as whatever they wish and we still won't know about even if they die.

Originally Posted by Thinwolf

And I'd rather not take this mirror style back again, but if you're talking of being desperate, just look at what kind of points you're throwing at me: "she phrased this badly, therefore she must be a wolf!"

I'm just gearing up... It's funny you tend to concentrate all the minor sidenotes and jokes but not the actual suspicions. That's understandable but also something one can see quite easily through...

Originally Posted by Lupine-Lommy

Or, from another point of view: even if I was a wolf and Nogrod was a guardian, my death wouldn't help you at all. You wouldn't still know if you can trust Nogrod or not. Thereby it's utter folly to leave me to be killed by Nogrod and his fellows: not only because you'll lose a Defender, but also because my death won't tell you anything.

No and no. Two kills on Night2 will prove everything. And as I said before: if the Protector manages a save which is even better I'm ready to be lynched toMorrow as we have gotten out of the worst situation and I might take one of the wolves with me when I go.

That post of yours made me immediately suspect you Kath. That ill-reasoned suggestion sounds like the talk of a wolf or a cobbler.

A cobbler? What?

If we lynch Nogrod and he is a wolf, someone of us (not necessarily anyone that can be trusted though) will know his role and can tell it.

And who do you think could be trusted with a claim? And seriously there would be another proof then: your death with my hammer.

If we lynch Nogrod and he is a guardian like he claims, he will take me with him and that action itself will prove his innocence and my guilt. We will get rid of a wolf.

Correct. But we lose the chance of my known innocence to come forwards...

I can see though where she's coming from in these two. The wolves have now a nice advantage in numbers so they could afford "sacrifying" Lommy (and she would do it) to prevent me from making more damage to them later.

Originally Posted by Lommy on lynching me

Even for you who cannot know the facts, lynching him toDay is the surest option.

It's our surest option to minimal damage for the wolves and the village losing a chance to have a known innocent even for a Day in this village where no one can trust any claim as there are no roles revealed as shared...

Okay. I need to look at some other things as well...

If the wolves manage to orchestrate my lynch toDay I need to have a good candidate to hunt as I will surely leave Lommywolf for you to lynch toMorrow if I just have a believable better candidate. After you see me killing one (hopefully a wolf) as I go then you know I spoke the truth and no wolf should be able to talk you out of lynching Lommy toMorrow.

EDIT: X'd with Rikae. I might just consider you as my target toDay... But I must read your post first...

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

EDIT: X'd with Rikae. I might just consider you as my target toDay... But I must read your post first...

You don't frighten me, and your threats make me trust you far less. Why not use your kill where you're "certain" you willl hit a wolf, eh?
If you have a kill at all, go ahead and kill me.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Okay Lommy chose then to portray herself as a Defender (seer) then. How nice. And also she had the good luck of hitting a non-ordo. Even better. How come the most important things? Although you forgot the fact that we can't trust anyone here with their word and that makes the defender in the worst scenario quite a redundant person here. The only one who can prove his role is the Guardian as he can do things others can't. I can show it to you the next Night. If you follow Lommy's advice there's nothing that could tell you whether what she told you was true or not. Anyone can pose as whatever they wish and we still won't know about even if they die.

This is a blatent lie. If you are truly the Guardian, your death will reveal your role and, by default, Lommy's as well. If not, you are a wolf, and your death without any assassination will also prove it.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

This is a blatent lie. If you are truly the Guardian, your death will reveal your role and, by default, Lommy's as well. If not, you are a wolf, and your death without any assassination will also prove it.

Sorry but now I don't either get your point or then you don't mine. Yes my death will prove my role. That's what I said. But it does it because of what I do when I die. No one else's role we can no for sure but the Guardian's. With "following Lommy's advice" I meant if you follow the "instructions" she will give you about the innocents, ordos or wolves... there will be no way of telling whether they were true or not.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

You don't frighten me, and your threats make me trust you far less. Why not use your kill where you're "certain" you willl hit a wolf, eh?
If you have a kill at all, go ahead and kill me.

That doesn't sound like an innocent speaking to be sure.

Why should I waste my hunt on Lommy if I can take someone extra with me? After my death you will have all the knowledge to lynch Lommy the next. At best two consequent wolf-lynches.

I think I really need to revise my earlier suspicions... Sorry Rikae but you're veery near my trigger now indeed and I'm even feeling quite good with it.

Try to open your eyes people... Sorry but this is getting once again a bit frustrating.

And remember: if the wolves manage to lynch me toDay and after you see I took someone with me pay close attention to those who orchestrated this thing. It will give you a nice start to your lynch-list.

[Rikae]

Nogrod, if you were truly the Guardian you would be certain about Lommy's role.
If you want to use your power instead to take me out, so be it. I stand by what I said. Our most logical approach is to lynch you toDay - it's the only way we will know for certain what is going on, and if someone else dies with you, it's too bad you might take an innocent or another gifted, but we'll know your role and Lommy's wolfishness.
Honestly, if you truly had the village's best interests at heart, I actually think you would see the sense in what I'm saying and agree to it. Instead, you choose to threaten me. Well, what I'm saying is the truth as far as I can see, and I'm going to keep saying it, threats or no.

[THE Ka]

Even though I don't trust her anymore than anyone else here, I do have to admit someone has finally said something important on the whole 'ranger/wolf' arguement:

Originally Posted by Agan

I don't believe Menel's claim. I think a ranger should have absolutely no reason to come forward now.

Really, they wouldn't. If Nogrod is what he claims to be, it is of no consequence to what other specials like rangers/protectors choose to do and protect. Nogrod might attack a 'wolf', but he might also try to take a protector down with him, or any other player. Besides, even if Nogrod did know with any strong conviction that someone was a wolf, it wouldn't be connected to the rangers at all, since they can't protect a wolf to begin with. If you tried, Volo or Legate would tell you that you couldn't, thus you protect someone else. Which is why Menel's decision to randomly voice his 'role' is interesting. Beyond the 'I am going to protect you Nogrod, *nudge nudge* thought you should know that before you ask anymore questions *nudge nudge*', and justifying it by Legate's decision to voice his role at the end of day 0.1. Which if anything else, looks more panicked than sending a message.

Especially if you are a gifted, and you are the first vote of the trial days. Not only is it a loss for ordo's, but it always is a downer (no pun intended) to be voted off first. Naturally, in such a setup it makes one a little defensive or just annoyed/panic.

If Menel is another wolf, then it might explain some of this, but again it seems too blalant. Which in turn can be a good tactic if you try it when others are using the fun power of shock and surprise, to just ride that boat for awhile, but keeping a safe distance as well (a la 'here you are nothing to hide, just a simple ranger' bit).

Originally Posted by Lommy

When I'm gone, please don't forget the connection between Nog and Agan... it's curiously friendship-like.

If I remember correctly, on the pre-day, there was a little of that going on, mostly Nogrod cheering over something. Though, I am not sure how much reason should be put into those posts, since if they are wolves it's not as if they somehow developed telekinesis and had a lovely chat about it. Though, if they are, I do have to agree there is some sort of friendly rivalry at least. Though, that is only what I saw on my trial day, and only from the position of Agan.


I'm sorry with what others may think, but I don't see the immediate suspicion of Rikae. Even if she says that she doesn't have enough time to make a longer and rational post, she still manages to make good points.
Also, Nogrod becomes very defensive after her vote, which is natural of anyone who's been voted. Though, Nogrod has mentioned in his much earlier posts that even if he was killed, that at least others would be convinced that Lommy is a wolf, even if it costs him. So, I am a bit more suspicious now that he has become even more defensive. The guardian plan of taking out Lommy at night to thus prove his role does work, but also the second plan he noted being a sacrifice.
Whether they are or not, or what may be, I fail to see how ultimately 'evil' Rikae's decision and reasoning is.


~ Ka

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Nog, why is the thought of lynching Lommy now so undesirable to you?

I do not think it undesirable. We get rid of a wolf and that's good for our numbers. But there's the minus point that you others will not know she was a wolf and I have less sure times toNight as I need to find out another one I'm sure enough to actively kill.

If you let me do it during the Night it's all clear - unlike Lommy tries to mislead you. And as I said I'm pretty ready to be lynched then if there's no second kill. You are yet better off then as no innocent died on Night2.

Someone speculated about our possibilities of gaining information of the identities of the killed ones. In this game anyone can say anything and with no roles revealed no one can trust these revelations unless in very improbable circumstances. With my actions you gain some solid information as the Guardian is the only one who can perform a Night-kill alongside wolves.

And as I said we don't lose anything if you give me a go with Lommy. I mean I didn't think I would one Day say that I'm in total agreement with Kath: there's nothing one should believe in there. I'll give you a couple of points from there soon.

I must admit that earlier today I for a moment thought that there was a slight chance the Might could have been a wolf and all this was a giant mistake but now Lommy's preposterous claim nailed her for me and I'm 100% certain of her (okay, unless Volo fooled us all and put two gifteds in the same round... but that would be a bit too much even for this game).

EDIT: X'd with Lommywolf

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I do not think it undesirable. We get rid of a wolf and that's good for our numbers. But there's the minus point that you others will not know she was a wolf and I have less sure times toNight as I need to find out another one I'm sure enough to actively kill.

I think it's quite clear to everybody that she's a wolf and I doubt the one to receive her role would dare to lie about it, even if a wolf or cobbler.
But think it this way. If we lynch her today, everybody will know we caught a wolf. If we lynch someone else, their role can be easily lied. You will know the role of the one you kill for sure. I think we gain more if we lynch her now and you kill someone else at night.

edit: And then she wouldn't have a chance to discuss with her fellows tonight either. Xed with Lommy.

[Thinlómien]

When Nogrod is done with, lynch his fellow Aganzir next. Just look at that:

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I think it's quite clear to everybody that she's a wolf and I doubt the one to receive her role would dare to lie about it, even if a wolf or cobbler.

That is quite outrageously boldly wolvish. Now, if you lynch me toDay, the one who receives my role will not dare to come out with it, because s/he'll be afraid everyone will think her/him a wolf or a cobbler because of that!

I can't believe you actually wrote that, Agan. First time in my life I probably caught Wolfanzir. Wow.

Now, even if you others aren't as confident as I am that this comment proves Agan's guilt, please don't forget about it and take it into account when you're forming your opinion of her.

When I'm gone, please don't forget the connection between Nog and Agan... it's curiously friendship-like.

edit: xed with Izzie

[Aganzir]

Lommy you make me laugh. You're so sweet.

Bah, I think I should be concentrating on my Caberlysis rather than stalking the last page.

[Aganzir]

I have included only those posts with some substance in them.

Day 0
-doesn't see any reasons to throw suspicion around yet.
-Nog is vocal, and if a wolf it will be easier to catch him.
-Valier and Groin haven't said much, and that could also work against them
-top suspects Ka and Legate (because of IC things), but since his suspicions are subjects to change, they shouldn't be valued too much.

-thanks Menel, because "Just because I don't feel a need to say everything that crosses my mind doesn't mean I'm a wolf."

I know I should be wary while analysing a new player, but McCaber has, at least in my opinion, shown quite a good understanding about how the game works. So, let's try to come to some conclusions.
I find his statement that there's no use to suspect people yet strange, mainly because it looks like a wolf who's trying to make the discussion remain in the nonsense area. But on the other hand, I know it looks a bit weird for a newbie that everybody's on one another's throats so early. I'm not going to hold saying that for or against him but I felt the need to point it out.
His reasons to suspect (or be about to suspect) someone seem rather weak indeed. And asking people not to wonder if he decides to change his suspects. Oh gosh, was it really that important that you had to say it? To me it looks like "Don't be surprised when I change my suspects after I've learned my fellow wolves."
Then, that "Just because I don't feel a need &c." Could some native (or otherwise better than me) speaker tell to me what he's saying? The only way I can decipher it looks rather suspicious.

Trial day
-Roa looks alright but too agreeable. Could be wolf trying to make allies or innocent trying not to attract attention.
-naturally suspects Naria because she hasn't said enough for him to form an opinion.
-hopes his silence won't be held against him

-doesn't have a problem with Roa's agreeability; it's rather something to think about.

-explains the reason he thanked Menel: if he said everything that occurred to him, he'd be contradicting himself and that would be a reason to suspect him.
-analyses Roa and finds her more probably ordo or gifted than a wolf. Suspects Naria more than Roa because she doesn't speak as much.

-Roa looks innocent but says there's no need to be hasty (Roa was considering voting him).

-tells Roa that he isn't trying to curry a favour by considering her innocent - doing that would eventually turn against him and he'd die.
-says he was nervous going into the trial day and still is, but thinks he has a chance to survive.

-says he suspects Naria because he can't suspect himself (interestingly formulated statement) and finds Roa innocent.

-thanks Roa and says it'd be unfair to kill Naria without hearing what she has to say first.

I think the way he tried to be in good terms with Roa looks rather bad. He states in his first post that he suspects Naria (with feeble reasons). He makes sure Roa doesn't have any reason to think he's suspecting her. Being overly nice towards Roa and a little jumpy every time she says something that might indicate she's beginning to suspect him.
When Roa has voted, he says it'd be unfair to kill Naria now before she has had a chance to speak.
While I completely agree with that, I must say that if Caber is a wolf that was quite a cunning thing to do. First he makes sure Roa doesn't vote him and then plans to lynch the player whom he considers more dangerous.

Day 1
-tells he would have voted Roa.
-> she didn't really make arguments.
-> they seemed to be allies on their trial day just because Naria wasn't there.
-> Roa had no reasons for her vote except maybe trying to gain an ally.
-> what Roa said was not what he'd expect from a player like her.
-> Naria was logical and desperate and her analyses made sense.
-suspects Lommy rather than Nog; she seems to be trying to survive by casting suspicion on others.

...And now he has a good explanation for why he would have voted Roa. He quickly backs off his earlier Roa-is-my-friend attitude, before anyone has noticed & commented on it. But what worse, he really looks like he's trying to make friends with Naria now. Well, if he's a wolf he can't be sure if Roa was a gifted, so it benefits him more to try to make Naria trust him. After all, it's often easier to believe that a player who trusts you is also innocent.

As a conclusion, Caber looks both honest and wolfy at the same time. I don't really like the way he's being so nice to players who are a possible threat to him... And while I know newbies appear suspicious rather easily, there's just something that doesn't sit right with me. Some kind of jumpiness and wariness.

edit: xed with some Noggies and Rikaes

[Thinlómien]

Ummm... am I the only one who has the feeling that Nogrod has run out of things he could say and is thus repeating things he said earlier?

Okay Lommy chose then to portray herself as a Defender (seer) then. How nice. And also she had the good luck of hitting a non-ordo. Even better. How come the most important things? Although you forgot the fact that we can't trust anyone here with their word and that makes the defender in the worst scenario quite a redundant person here. The only one who can prove his role is the Guardian as he can do things others can't. I can show it to you the next Night.

I see you've thought this through when you've been furiously thinking about which gifted to impersonate... You're tripping over your own feet, Nogrod.

[Thinlómien]

++NOGROD


Brinn: Nog
Menel: Valier
Zali: McCaber
Kath: Valier
Sally: Caber
Rikae: Nogrod
Lommy: Nogrod

(Val-2, Nog-3, Caber-2)

edit: xed with Agan & added a space

[McCaber]

Right now I feel that lynching Nogrod will get rid of one wolf for sure, regardless of if he himself is a wolf or not. Many of my thoughts here have been stated by others already, so I'll simply let my vote speak for me.

++Nogrod

Finally, my voice is heard!