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02-06-2008, 09:06 AM
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Doubting Dwimmerlaik
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 What I obviously meant to write was that Balrogs maintain the same shape/form/appearance whether they're whipping Ungoliant away or fighting Gandalf on the Bridge. Even when wet, Balrogs do not radically change shape. Sauron, on the other hand, had taken many different shapes - some fair (Annatar) and others foul (wolf, Eye, etc). Clearly horses of different colours. The Encyclopedia of Arda has Arien as a Maiar of Vána.
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02-06-2008, 09:24 AM
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02-07-2008, 05:44 AM
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I'm not claiming anything about the origin of balrogs - except that being the "certain 'downer" mentioned on this thread I think I must say I have thought them to be Aulë's Maiar with no canon evidence - but surely I'm either missing something or then some people on this thread have flaws in their logic.
Arien was a fire spirit, yes. Balrogs were fire spirits, yes. But does it prove they both were originally servants of the same Vala? No, I don't think so - why should it prove that? The fact that they share the element doesn't mean, in my opinion, that they are associated with the same Vala. The Valar are not totally different or opposites of one other. If they are, in some cases, quite similar to one another (just think of Yavanna and Vána and flowers, for example), why couldn't their servants be similar to one other too?
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02-07-2008, 05:59 AM
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 If you have read this thread, then certainly not me. For surely at least ten years, I have had a fee opinion that Arien was a Maia of Varda and the Balrogs were also Maiar of Varda. As you can see, from some Yesterday 03:25 PM my beliefs were shaken in their very basis. But you can hardly blame me for developing a misled opinion in my 10 (if you think you are without sin, you may first cast the stone... ).
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02-07-2008, 06:19 AM
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02-07-2008, 06:24 AM
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02-07-2008, 06:55 AM
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Wisest of the Noldor
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Calm down, people! It's actually quite logical to assume that
A. Fire-spirits would all work for the same Vala. and B. That Vala would be associated with fire in some way (Aulë the Smith, Varda the Star-Kindler). Just seems to be wrong, that's all. I don't think Tolkien ever said the Balrogs followed any particular Vala (apart from Melkor). |
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