Werewolf XLII, Mist in the Barrow Downs

[Macalaure]

Aganzir was innocent. Dammit.

I guess Lommy has been killed because I was her main suspect. She yet did not do any harm to a wolf, so better get rid of her before she eventually starts to. It sadly means that we can deduce little to nothing from her death.

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Rikae: what are your reasons for suspecting Nerwen? I haven't caught any traces of wolf yet in her posts, but I'm willing to be convinced.

Don't you think that's a tad convenient? Why don't you reveal a little bit of your own thought processes first. I'm very curious what exactly it was that made you vote Aganzir yesterDay. The way I see it, you could very well be a wolf (together with Sally?) who took advantage of the possibility to start a bandwaggon against an innocent.

Originally Posted by Menel

Then, seeing a vote in play, Rikae jumps in to save Macalaure, followed by the would-be lynchee himself.

I think this would only make sense in the case of a wolf trio Rikae-Mac-Sally (as Legate has already pointed out). Otherwise, Sally would have been the far easier option for her to save me.

Originally Posted by Legate

I noticed that Mac yesterDay repeatedly posted the voting list wrong - he counted Sally's vote for Shasta later as a vote for Sally, so he kept posting the list saying "Sally 2".

Yep, I noticed it. Sorry about that. But why do you say "repeatedly" when it was obviously only once?

Originally Posted by Legate

This time, suddenly a candidate who did not have a single vote 5 minutes before the DL was lynched. That's not a way it should be generally done, I'd say, and I believe no one would like if such a thing happened to us.

You're right, but keep in mind that, even though she did not receive a vote until the end, she had been mentioned as a possibility for far longer than 5 minutes.

I disagree with keeping Gwath out of the considerations for the wolf among the Aganzir-voters. He's genuine, yes, but he's new, so that says little. In my opinion, he yet simply has not given enough input to be judged. I think you're being hasty there.


I still think Rikae, Nogrod, and Menel, are innocent, A Little Green fishy, and Nerwen suspicious. I need to rethink my opinion of Sally.

I need to see more posts from Legate, more details from Gwathagor, more sense from Shasta, and more of all of these from McCaber toDay before I can make up my mind about them.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Mac

I disagree with keeping Gwath out of the considerations for the wolf among the Aganzir-voters. He's genuine, yes, but he's new, so that says little. In my opinion, he yet simply has not given enough input to be judged. I think you're being hasty there.

Sally's head tilted as she considered this. "You're right, Mac. Perhaps I am a bit too trusting. I will look more into this innocent-seeming child."



note: in class right now, so really can't post much more than that. back in about an hour, unless I break down and stealth-post again.

[A Little Green]

Alright, then.

After reading toDay's posts I find my thoughts very contradictory. There are three people I find suspicious, but according to my reasoning all three can't be wolves.

In addition to the troublesome Aganzir-voting issue, Mac's latest post seemed very fishy to me. First of all, the beginning

Originally Posted by Mac

Aganzir was innocent. Dammit.

looks, sorry to say, just false. Secondly,

Originally Posted by Mac

Don't you think that's a tad convenient? Why don't you reveal a little bit of your own thought processes first. I'm very curious what exactly it was that made you vote Aganzir yesterDay. The way I see it, you could very well be a wolf (together with Sally?) who took advantage of the possibility to start a bandwaggon against an innocent.

This looks... bad. Though he's got a point, the way he very quickly, almost aggressively, turns the suspicion from himself to Gwath looks furry to me. To start a bandwaggon? While Gwath's post was

Originally Posted by Gwath

OK, here we go.

I am going to vote

+ + Aganzir

because she is Pretty Suspicious, whereas everyone else is either Fairly Suspicious or Not Very Suspicious.

your next one was

Originally Posted by Mac

Rikae, could I persuade you to vote Aganzir?

Which one looks more like the start of a bandwagon, may I ask?

Rikae's confidence not only in Mac's innocence but also in Nerwen's guilt (her reference to "Nerwolf" in her latest post) strikes me as very weird. How can she be so certain, especially after being mistaken about Agan? I don't know what to think about her. Her behaviour looks suspicious, but somehow I'd think that she was more careful if she were a wolf.

Gwath is still fishy-looking, not because of the Agan-vote but because of his Day1 behaviour (the same reasons I suspected him for then), and because there was something weird in his toDay's post. I don't suspect him as much as I did on Day1, however.

I'm quite convinced one of these three is a wolf, probably Rikae or Mac, most probably Mac. Though Rikae and Mac are my main suspects at the moment, I don't think both of them are wolves. They would be playing a very bold game indeed if they were. But which one of them is, I cannot say. Mac looks both more and less suspicious, if you get what I mean.

And Sally, I'd appreciate it if you stated why do you suspect me, so I could better defend myself.

EDIT: x-ed with Legate and Mac

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Gwath is still fishy-looking, not because of the Agan-vote but because of his Day1 behaviour (the same reasons I suspected him for then), and because there was something weird in his toDay's post. I don't suspect him as much as I did on Day1, however.

Today's post was convoluted because I added stuff when I edited it. So the natural flow of thought got kind of screwed up.

EDIT: X-ed with loads of people

[Nerwen]

Gwathagor, you shouldn't edit your posts, except for stuff like mentioning you x'd with people. Posts are all the evidence we have to go on– and people can think you changed something incriminating.

Well, your explanation sounds innocent enough (if you're a wolf you're doing well)– and also pretty straightforward. I don't know why Macalaure can't follow it.

[Gwathagor]

Sorry. I won't do it anymore.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Rikae's confidence not only in Mac's innocence but also in Nerwen's guilt (her reference to "Nerwolf" in her latest post) strikes me as very weird. How can she be so certain, especially after being mistaken about Agan?

I am not certain about Nerwen. I said “It may be that Nerwolf escaped” (italics added). The words “may be” clearly indicate uncertainty, but there is no uncertainty about whether Nerwen escaped, so clearly the uncertain possibility is whether, in fact, Nerwolf escaped, ie, whether Nerwen is a wolf. I do think it's likely, for reasons I'll explain in a moment.


Now, regarding Macalaure, I am indeed quite confident about his innocence, and it has nothing to do with “the rose garden.” Mac is a good player, but I don't think he's good enough to hide his role from me. I know him better than anyone, and I can spot a wolvish Mac. If we had one of those on our hands, I'd be the first to point it out and call for his lynching (as I did in Nogrod's game) I find the implication that I wouldn't vaguely insulting.


Now, why I find Nerwen suspicious (although she is not the only one, especially after some of the nonsense I've witnessed toDay), also concerns Macalaure, because the main thing that bothers me about her is the way she seemed to try and paint his attempt to start a debate as something it wasn't – it didn't read like normal misinterpretation to me, but as misrepresentation.
Added to that is the way she avoided voting, while still managing to look as though she tried to vote. Sure, it could be an honest debate – but wouldn't it be convenient, especially in the light of the fact that the Agan-voters seem to be the only ones under scrutiny toDay? It actually doesn't make sense, because the last place a wolf generally wants to be is in a small group that lynches an innocent. It suits them much better to throw their votes away and remain untraceable – and if they can get away with not voting, they get to cast accusations anywhere they like without having the suspect's innocence revealed.


Speaking of this, I find it extremely unnerving that all the suspicion toDay is directed at the Agan voters while those who did not vote, or who voted safely, get a free ride. I can imagine the wolves laughing in the shadows, while everyone focuses on Mac and I – in fact, I'm the only person, yesterday, who took any risk at all, and yes, my vote basically decided the lynch. I voted for the person who looked most suspicious out of those I could vote for and prevent the lynching of the person who looked most innocent, and that's, after all, all I could do. I'm confident I can read Mac, but this doesn't mean I can read everyone. Still, I'll post my impressions of everyone in a minute, and see if that gets us anywhere.

EDIT: X'd with Noggie/ added spaces (typo)

[Meneltarmacil]

While I believe you would point out a wolfish Mac under normal circumstances, Rikae, I still consider you to be my prime suspect. A wolf would, at best, send a subtle hint to her fellow wolf to get him to keep his head down, or would do nothing at all until she had a chance to PM him at Night. If Mac is not a wolf, you would simply let him live so he'd draw suspicion away from you.

[Rikae]

McCaber, could you elaborate? Why do you find both Nerwen and Mac suspicious? What doesn't match up about Greenie's posts?

[Gwathagor]

Both Thinlomien and Aganzir voted to execute Macalaure yesterDay, and now both of them are dead. I find this suspicious. Granted, I cast the first vote against Aganzir, but the decisive votes were Macalaure's and Rikae's. Maybe werewolf Macalaure (and possible compatriot Rikae?) found it in their best interests to eliminate his chief accusers?

Sally's over-the-top posting style is so completely impenetrable and obscure that I really don't know what to make of her; however, it would be a decent disguise for a werewolf, if one was to maintain it consistently, as one could simply attribute any discrepancies or oddities to one's posting style.

Shasta and McCaber are only suspicious because they haven't said much, and I'm inclined to think that at least one of the werewolves would be hiding in the shadows, rather than in the midst of the discussion with its fellows. It stands to reason that they wouldn't be found all in one place.

I don't know what to make of the others yet.

[McCaber]

But of course, sister Rikae. First, on Nerwen. Her posts such as

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I mean, if your idea was to encourage the wolves to act silly, and to go after anyone who was being helpful (thus revealing themselves), how did you plan to accuse them– when you'd previously said what they were doing was the hallmark of innocence?

and

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Sally's vote for Shasta was perhaps the single most wolfish thing anyone has done today. Or rather, not the vote itself, since Shasta was already under a bit of suspicion, but the reasons she gave for it.

strike me as a wolf trying to cast suspicion on innocents. She seems waiting for a mistake to pounce on it to try to make an issue of it.

Nogrod and Menel have raised the possibility of a Mac/Rikae wolf team. I do not say that this is impossible, but I think that it is unlikely. Rikae strikes me as slightly more innocent, because such as

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Let us go for one who flies under the radar, one who doesn't say anything controversial, one who seems eager to not rub people the wrong way.

seems too perfect a wolf scheme to pass up. I do realize that this point has been argued about, but it and everything which comes after does not change my suspicions much. Perhaps the interplay between Nerwen and Mac is merely wolves trying to throw the village off. It seems much too serious for that, but perhaps ...

And about this Lily Green. I do not know why she found Gwathagor suspicious on the last Day, and she explained it not. Admittedly, she changed her focus, but it would still be the best to know why she suspected him and not others. That is not the main reason I look at her, but a factor nonetheless. I just find some quality missing in her posts toDay that was there on the last. It seems as if she realized something was not working in her schemes and suddenly switched tactics.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I can spot a wolvish Mac. If we had one of those on our hands, I'd be the first to point it out and call for his lynching (as I did in Nogrod's game) I find the implication that I wouldn't vaguely insulting.

It's not only money that makes the world go around...

I do agree with Rikae that those laying the last and / or deciding votes are normally the most scrutinised the next Day and careful wolves will do anything to avoid getting into that situation. But bold wolves will take it as a test, or excitement, and to further their goals - in a word to have fun. I know it as I've done it myself a few times.

But even you Rikae can't deny that Mac's first posts toDay were terribly wolfy. Check them again if you don't see it. He did indeed get better later the Day but those first ones... I might have let him go and concentrate on other areas if not for those posts.

Still just looking at the situation right now I'd be very happy to see fresh openings. I need to go to sleep myself though (1 AM here).

Losing innocent Agan and Lommy has been bad as they are ones who can make a difference with their keen eyes. I'm getting very careful with my votes and whom I would suggest people should vote - if that had any consequence in the first place.

[Rikae]

Legate - He's giving me a bad feeling, and it has nothing to do with his insolence. He encourages the focus on the Agan-voters --- which is not particularly good wolf-hunting strategy and something he should know better than to join. He has a way about him that seems to twist people's intentions and describe situations in slanted ways.
McCaber - At this point, he's getting away with lurking in the shadows and contributing exactly nothing.
Sally - I still find her innocentish, though strange and misguided.
Gwathagor - He hasn't done anything to make me think he's a wolf, but he hasn't done anything to make me think him innocent either. I don't find his vote for Aganzir suspicious because she was suspicious, but I do find the sudden way he placed it somewhat questionable.
A Little Green - The whole joking/not joking business yesterday was questionable, and toDay she seems to bring up flimsy reasons for her suspicions.
Macalaure - As I've said, he reads as sincere to me. A word about his 'dammit' - he curses that odd way often, and I thought it was insincere at first too, seeing it in print. You see it isn't when you've heard him speak, and I don't think anything of it.
Nerwen - As I said in my previous post - she looks wolfy to me.
Meneltarmacil - I was determined not to suspect him yesterday, simply because he's easy to wrongly suspect, mostly because of the absolute and determined attitude he takes. I don't know what to make of him --- when he says things like "Aganzir was hardly considered a genuine target before" or "Rikae fell right into [Mac's]trap", I have to think that he couldn't possibly be *that* confused, and that there may be malicious intent there.
Rikae - Hey, that's me!
Shasta - He, even more than McCaber, is getting away with flying under the radar, big time. In such a small village, it really shouldn't be tolerated.

Wolfyest:

Nerwen
Greenie
Legate

Wolfy:
McCaber
Menel
Shasta

Unwolfy:
Sally
Gwath
Mac

EDIT: X'd with Menel and Nogrod

[Rikae]

Whoa - I just left Nogrod off my list!
Somehow it got erased when I was typing Legate's entry, I think.
Well, there isn't really much to say. I'm glad to see he's posting more toDay, as I was beginning to miss the old Nogrod - he seems up to his old tricks re: Mac and I, but I don't find him suspicious... he goes in the "Unwolfy" category.

[McCaber]

'Tis true, I have been rather close-lipped of late, but that is really due to a lack of time and content then any wolvery on my part. So here I try to provide content:

I suppose it's a cliche to say this now, but I also suspect Nerwen of wolvishry, for much the same reasons as others have said.

Sally still seems off to me, but that may just be Sally being Sally. Sometimes she baffles me.

Menel seems a bit less suspicious now than on the last Day. Something of what he says makes sense, and he conveys what seems to be an honest opinion. He is rather single-minded, but I believe he raises some decent points.

Macalaure and Rikae as a wolf team would be worrying, but I believe Mac is more likely to be one.

This Little Green creature worries me the most. Her speakings yesterDay and toDay do not seem to match up.

And I also await for Shasta to appear. In the meantime, I will rest and think. I will come back with clearer opinions and methodology. Peace in Our Lord.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Yep, I noticed it. Sorry about that. But why do you say "repeatedly" when it was obviously only once?

Oh, sorry. For some reason I thought you posted twice. Must have mistaken it with Nogrod or I just need my eyes checked.

Originally Posted by Mac

You're right, but keep in mind that, even though she did not receive a vote until the end, she had been mentioned as a possibility for far longer than 5 minutes.

Yes, you are right. However, I am aware of the fact that it might have suited a wolf to raise such a last minute bandwaggon - and imagine what would've happened if for example Aganzir were a Seer.

Originally Posted by Mac

I disagree with keeping Gwath out of the considerations for the wolf among the Aganzir-voters. He's genuine, yes, but he's new, so that says little. In my opinion, he yet simply has not given enough input to be judged. I think you're being hasty there.

Well, of course I am not totally leaving him for the whole game. But I said for now, I am giving him the benefit of doubt. If in the future there is something sinister about him, I will of course reconsider even his role in yesterDay's events. But now, you or Rikae to me look like more probable wolves among Agan-voters.

Anyway, Mac, I am keeping you in my orange zone. You seem to be reasonable on one side, on the other, you post things like this:

Originally Posted by Mac

Aganzir was innocent. Dammit.

I guess Lommy has been killed because I was her main suspect. She yet did not do any harm to a wolf, so better get rid of her before she eventually starts to. It sadly means that we can deduce little to nothing from her death.

I know as innocent, you could be cursing yourself over lynching a bad person as well, but I am getting a bad feeling from your posts in general. And that Lommy thing - I am not sure if I understand you. Why should she have been killed because you were her main suspect? Anyway, by saying "She yet did not do any harm to a wolf", you also set yourself as an innocent, because if she suspected you, then she did you "harm", and therefore you don't count as wolf. I don't think there was much in her death either, but I am worried if you are not a wolf and as a side-effect it suited you to kill her because she suspected you. Oh, or is that what you meant by that "main suspect" thing? Anyway in that case you could be double-bluffing that, cf. what I said before.

And I must say if I am baffled by anyone, it is Sally. After her last but one post (that longer one), I really don't know what to think. Not that the theories she brings are not interesting, but I am quite baffled by the way she seems to be so sure of her suspects. Or am I missing a joke once more?

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I know as innocent, you could be cursing yourself over lynching a bad person as well, but I am getting a bad feeling from your posts in general. And that Lommy thing - I am not sure if I understand you. Why should she have been killed because you were her main suspect? Anyway, by saying "She yet did not do any harm to a wolf", you also set yourself as an innocent, because if she suspected you, then she did you "harm", and therefore you don't count as wolf.

Of course I'm setting myself as an innocent - that's the only thing I know for certain. Since I was Lommy's main suspect, no wolf was, but since she's a crafty player, she was going to be a problem for one or more wolves eventually. It seems like a pretty straightforward kill to me.

Originally Posted by Legate

I don't think there was much in her death either, but I am worried if you are not a wolf and as a side-effect it suited you to kill her because she suspected you. Oh, or is that what you meant by that "main suspect" thing? Anyway in that case you could be double-bluffing that, cf. what I said before.

Now, this I don't understand. First you say there's not much in her death, then you say I could be a wolf. But if I was a wolf, then there is something in her death, namely that I got rid of her because she was dangerous to me. If this was the case, then obviously getting rid of someone who suspected me was not a side-effect, but the main goal.

[Nogrod]

I just got back reading things and noticed - the same one I see Legate pointed out as well - but let me take one fresh look at it with a slight bolding...

Originally Posted by Mac

Aganzir was innocent. Dammit.

I guess Lommy has been killed because I was her main suspect. She yet did not do any harm to a wolf, so better get rid of her before she eventually starts to. It sadly means that we can deduce little to nothing from her death.

I do agree with Legate (if I understood him right) that your cursing about Agan's innocence looks anything but sincere. The whole sentence about Lommy not yet doing harm to a wolf is more than fishy: now why an ordo would think it that way - if Lommy had not spotted a wolf yet why should they be in a special hurry to get her killed instead of me, Legate, Rikae, Mac himself just to name a few good candidates? This whole approach looks pretty suspicious.

But take the bolding then. So we can't deduce anything about her death and still the two who suspected you the most: Aganzir and Lommy are now dead... How convenient. Or are they framing you? That's possible but somehow your way of trying to downplay everything we can read from Lommy's death (and "dammitting" Agan's) just looks lycantrophic.

I'll be back with more things...

EDIT: X'd with Mac and LG

[Macalaure]

Lily, I'm not turning against Gwathagor. I only want to know the reasoning behind his decisions. I can decide whether he's suspicious or not only when I know what he had been thinking.

Originally Posted by Lily

Which one looks more like the start of a bandwagon, may I ask?

Mine.

I campaigned for the lynching of one of my main suspects. The fact that I was wrong obviously makes me look suspicious, but I don't think the fact that I urged a bandwaggon does. Gwathagor, on the other hand, could have known there was a potential for a waggon against her and then initiated it. Without his reasoning I have no idea what to think of this.

Originally Posted by Lily

How can she be so certain, especially after being mistaken about Agan?

The suspicions against the two were independent of one another, so there's no necessity to back off from Nerwen now - at least from my perspective.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

if Lommy had not spotted a wolf yet why should they be in a special hurry to get her killed instead of me, Legate, Rikae, Mac himself just to name a few good candidates?

Of course it would also make sense for them to kill someone who's on their track, but apparently these wolves did not think so. I see three possibilities:
a) Lommy was killed due to the utter lack of trails to the wolves.
b) I'm a wolf and wanted to rid myself from her.
c) The wolves are trying to frame me.
b) I know is not the case and c) I doubt.

[Meneltarmacil]

I have noticed, disturbingly, that Rikae and Macalaure have been defending and supporting each other during the entire game and coming up with the exact same suspects, Aganzir and Nerwen.

I do know that there are RL reasons for this, but this goes beyond what I would normally expect. Mac, as I've pointed out, Rikae fell right into your trap when you asked for a "conventional vs. weird" debate, and yet you dropped the idea and never called her on it. You later said that if a wolf had fallen for it, that wolf would be lynched. Yet you let Rikae go. Why?

[Macalaure]

I don't think Rikae took my bait. She said the debate made sense (or rather that I made sense when I started it), but she didn't further it in any other way. Later she only mentioned it again because she thought I had been misrepresented (which I had been).

It was Nerwen who, indirectly, stepped into it by posting very vague and fishy things about what I had been trying to do (#101).

Rikae and I have the same suspects, that is true, but as far as I can see, we came to our conclusions independently. From my part, the fact that her opinions are the same as mine is a big factor in why I find her to be unsuspicious. Hesitating to lynch the other or defending the other from seemingly unjust suspicions could surely be explained by RL reasons alone, but declaring the other innocent indeed would go a bit too far, (edit: ) it would not be in the spirit of the game.

[Farael]

We interrupt your regularly scheduled Werewolf day for this important announcement:

The narration including Lommy's sad demise is now up.

Also, there was a mild confusion about the role of the half-werewolves.
BEING A HALF WEREWOLF DOES NOT GIVE THE PLAYER ANY NON-ORDO QUALITIES, UNLESS S/HE HAPPENS TO BE A WOLF/HALF-WW OR A SEER/HALF-WW

Also, there are no hints on the narrations. Really. None.

Now baaaaaaaaaack to the game!

[Gwathagor]

Ok, it sounds like I need to explain a little bit. YesterDay, I had the wolves all figured out. I was pretty certain about a triumvirate involving Aganzir, A Little Green, and Macalaure. I voted for Aganzir at the end of the day, first, because I found her the more suspicious than A Little Green (and I wanted to wait before I accused Macalaure), and, second, because no one else had voted for her and I didn't want to just be a follower. I hope that's fairly clear and doesn't seem like an over-reaction (those are always suspicious).

Obviously, I was wrong about Aganzir, and, consequently, I am rethinking my suspicion of A Little Green as well.

I'm going to reread today's posts again and see if I can find anything that feels phony.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Mac

Now, this I don't understand. First you say there's not much in her death, then you say I could be a wolf. But if I was a wolf, then there is something in her death, namely that I got rid of her because she was dangerous to me. If this was the case, then obviously getting rid of someone who suspected me was not a side-effect, but the main goal.

I believe the sentence is clear: I am inclined to think Lommy was killed simply to leave no track, and as side effect, you eliminated a person who suspected you.

Okay, speaking of Mac - I am also somewhat concerned by the way he treats Rikae this time, though I am very well aware that Mac might simply be a little more knightly than usual, but what of things like this:

Originally Posted by Mac

The suspicions against the two were independent of one another, so there's no necessity to back off from Nerwen now - at least from my perspective.

Here Mac speaks about Rikae. I know, there are these RL things - but come on, defending each other in this way? This is just not normal and I don't like the idea of these two really being wolves together. Well, as we all know, nothing is impossible. I am beginning to seriously think about this possibility.

I must say Noggins makes pretty much sense and looks also far more active than yesterDay. On the other hand, Sally keeps me wondering about her daring playing style.

Originally Posted by sally

I know others have said it, but I must echo it. That sounds so very false. It's like he's saying "Yes! We've killed one with ease, but I've been caught in the act. Backpeddle! Backpeddle!" I do have a random thought though. Would you care to hear it? *waits, but no response* Good, no one objects.
Okay, let's assume he's being sincere, that he's upset because Agan was an innocent. Perhaps he is angry because he was hoping to rid our group of its seer? I'm sorry, I know it's a bit out there, and I'll have to look at Agan's posts to see if that's even a plausible theory, but I'll put it on the table for everyone to look at.

I know it can be an innocent playing, but the style... I am just worried about it. These are all sort of a half-fun but very daring theories which the poster herself immediately relativises. And that itself stirs my attention. Yes, worrying is the right word. If I were to form a conspiracy theory around here, I could imagine a Mac-Rikae-Sally wolf pack right now.

Well, I am probably going to sleep now - will be back in about nine hours at maximum. Hope to see more people posting around.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Of course it would also make sense for them to kill someone who's on their track, but apparently these wolves did not think so. I see three possibilities:
a) Lommy was killed due to the utter lack of trails to the wolves.
b) I'm a wolf and wanted to rid myself from her.
c) The wolves are trying to frame me.
b) I know is not the case and c) I doubt.

If you're innocent indeed why do you doubt c)? I mean if you're innocent that would be just the perfect kill for the wolves! Maybe I need to go back to see who else Lommy suspected to see who you are covering right now?

*just a moment*

Well, no actual suspicions but Mac and Rikae. And possibly LG - it's hard to say if that was an actual suspicion.

Aganzir (known innocent), Legate and Shasta were her "dream-wolves".

I've been giving this some thought. Maybe her "dream-thing" actually startled the wolves after all? Funny you Mac don't mention it in your list of possibilities but only speak of you as a wolf wanting to rid yourself from her in general... just like you tried to downplay any information we might gather from Lommy's death in the beginning of the Day? If you're an ordo you're mind takes paths quite unfathomable to me.

~*~

Okay I almost opened the Day screaming that Mac and Rikae share the responsibility of my daughter's death. Happily I reread the thread before I posted that. But then again I must say I'm a bit confused about this.

Sometimes Mac posts like a truest innocent and at other times his posts just scream a WOLF. ToDay Mac's post have had an air of coming from the dark side alone... Rikae looks and even feels pretty straightforward reasoned innocent - except her overconfidence on Mac's innocence and maybe on Nerwen's lupinity. (I need to try and read Nerwen's posting the next...)

Here I think I agree with Lommy (bolding mine):

Originally Posted by ex-Lommy

"Mac and Rikae... I'm afraid I don't like the way you court and trial each other. Careful agreements, defenses and accusations to balance it out. It looks quite fishy. But I think the most probable scenario is that one of you is a wolf and he or she is trying to get the another one to his or her side or win his or her trust. I don't like it..."

Neither do I as losing either of you as innocents if we tried it would be very bad indeed.

So please you two open your eyes and forget the rosegarden for a moment - or at least until you can actually be sure...

EDIT: x'd with Mac

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Mac, reposted by everybody else

Aganzir was innocent. Dammit.

I know others have said it, but I must echo it. That sounds so very false. It's like he's saying "Yes! We've killed one with ease, but I've been caught in the act. Backpeddle! Backpeddle!" I do have a random thought though. Would you care to hear it? *waits, but no response* Good, no one objects.
Okay, let's assume he's being sincere, that he's upset because Agan was an innocent. Perhaps he is angry because he was hoping to rid our group of its seer? I'm sorry, I know it's a bit out there, and I'll have to look at Agan's posts to see if that's even a plausible theory, but I'll put it on the table for everyone to look at. I'm going to read some more posts and pet my duck. She's slightly angered at me because I ran too far ahead of her earlier and she wants some company. I'll return soon.