Admin Thread for WWXLV: The Fellowship of Saruman

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Btw Groin? I was thinking Dáin didn't get any lines in the main text, but I was wrong. Here he is talking to the Black Rider:

Yes, I saw that part in the book, but instead I chose Gandalf's quote about Dáin. Since, you have searched throught the books for such a quote for me I'll take that one over mine. Thanks Nerwen.

Originally Posted by McCaber

I say let the ranger carry it. He seems to have one of the clearer heads among us.

I don't know about that, I'm wary of having any man carry the Ring. I really like the idea of having Gildor carry the ring, but to quote Nerwen: can we really trust an elf [lord]?

EDIT: 400th post!

[Gwathagor]

I think that either Gildor or Lobelia would be good Ringbearers.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, Dain, I certaily don't trust these elf-lords any more than you do. I mean, didn't you hear Elrohir's comment about killing me before I could get the Ring? And all because I'm an Orc? How dare he question my loyalty to Saruman the Wise!

Not that I'd trust you with such a thing either. How do I know you won't keep it? You were perfectly willing to risk many of your friends and relatives over a small portion of your already-vast riches during the Battle of the Five Armies, and that part of the money wasn't even yours to begin with!

A stuck-up Elf shouldn't have the Ring, but neither should a greedy Dwarf like yourself. This matter is better left in the hands of those who only care about what needs to be done.

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by Rune

Surely Radagast should make the list as well? I refuse to belive that just because he was fond of animals, he was not powerful.

Good, because I don't want it anyways.

I mean seriously, have any of you ever tried feeding, let alone counciling birds when you have a shiny bit of anything on you? Horrible, horrible logic.

Unlike Gandalf, I will keep it short: I don't think I'd make a very illustrious ring bearer, and for the sake of good dialogue and writing, I think someone else should take it.


Besides *does a runway stance*, gold really isn't my colour.


I think it would be rather interesting to see Menel with this ring, just to consider the back history of such things and the number of people who've been made to hold them, unless a few of you have been sleeping for the past few ages. Elves, Dwarves, Maia and Men have held such things, but really, what about Ugluk's kin?

I wouldn't suggest any of my furry or feathered friends to be ring bearers, anymore than I would simply pick an elve or a dwarve or even Gandalf, because doing something so serious without thought seems hasty to me.

Also, it rings a bit of favouritism too (no pun intended!).

Unfortunately, Radagast apparently knows next to nothing about Hobbits (thought he shares so many likes and dislikes with them), so I'm going out of character to have a pre-cognition about Lobelia's possiblility.

It would also be interesting (and rather, to think of it, 'sticking to the original') to have another Hobbit be a ringbearer, past history aside. I think Lobelia being able to act in her own accordance and in the company of those who can learn from her and give advice in return as well would make a rewarding experience. Then again, what do I know about hobbits?

As for Bombadil, though I respect him for all his wonders and love for the wild, I don't think it would benefit anyone to give him the ring. He is simply not interested and probably has better things to do.

Dain indeed seems wise, of course after many years, and I know of his kin, but as I've said before I would no more favour with logic burdening a bird with the ring than simply giving it to someone.

Galadriel is very wise, but as others have said I will have to agree, she is simply too great to be a ring bearer. As is the same with Gandalf, and even Saruman if he was in the fellowship. Though, whoever does take on this role, I hope they do listen to her good words.

Gildor seems a possible choice, but I think we should have him give his own thoughts before anyone starts collecting votes.

I have to go now, erm, I have to settle a dispute between squirrels and chipmunks on tree ownership...

~ Ka

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Yes, I saw that part in the book, but instead I chose Gandalf's quote about Dáin. Since, you have searched throught the books for such a quote for me I'll take that one over mine. Thanks Nerwen.

You're welcome.

...And now I think I'd better start getting into character...

Originally Posted by McCaber

Orc, I'm sure that I'm not the only one here who would kill you before seeing the ring pass into your hands.

Indeed, brother. Just listen to him:

Originally Posted by The Scheming, Treacherous Orc

A stuck-up Elf shouldn't have the Ring, but neither should a greedy Dwarf like yourself. This matter is better left in the hands of those who only care about what needs to be done.

You mean... like YOU???!! What, exactly, is an Orc's idea of what needs to be done? Slitting all our throats in the night? Torturing us? Eating us? Making off with the Ring?

I say we lynch him now. Why give him the chance to betray us?

Originally Posted by THE Ka

Elves, Dwarves, Maia and Men have held such things, but really, what about Ugluk's kin?

I wouldn't suggest any of my furry or feathered friends to be ring bearers, anymore than I would simply pick an elve or a dwarve or even Gandalf, because doing something so serious without thought seems hasty to me.

...But you're willing to trust AN ORC with it, just because it would be "interesting"? My good wizard, are you sure you're taking this quest seriously enough?

Originally Posted by THE Ka

I think Lobelia being able to act in her own accordance and in the company of those who can learn from her and give advice in return as well would make a rewarding experience. Then again, what do I know about hobbits?

I have heard that there are hobbits and hobbits, and that this one has a reputation for being light-fingered... not a good choice.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hmm, I must say this looks very good I like this pre-game debate very much.

Anyway, sorry to interrupt your enjoyable debate, I just wanted to bring up one thing which is also important, and I have to solve it before the game baggins:

Originally Posted by me in the first post

If there are any strong objections against the possibility to retract, you may speak up. (Actually, there were quite a few. So I'd hereby ask people who posted them before to re-post, if possible, so that everyone may read what you think and consider your arguments. The same thing goes with double-lynching, the idea was, if I remember, that if such a thing occurs, we should choose randomly. About this, I also encourage people to speak their minds.)

[Nogrod]

Just don't give the Ring to me - I would surely just forget it while singing the praise of nature. But as far as I can see Gildor seems to be the obvious choice, wise and firm elf not so easily corrupted like the humans, powerful as some or fickle and unpredictable as the others.

What comes to the rules I think that allowing retractions greatly enhances the chances of the wolves as they can really use them knowing what they are doing as they are. So if the wolves are the underdogs (sorry about the metaphor) we should have retractions but if the "village" looks weak in numbers we should not give the wolves that advantage.

Double-lynches are ok. to me if we have a lot of players but not if we have a small company.

Also I think that there being an element of randomness in who's lynched in a case of a tie slightly favours the wolves while there being a firm rule about who dies (the first or the last to gain the highest number of votes) slightly evens things up.

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

Not that I'd trust you with such a thing either. How do I know you won't keep it?

I have never made any statement which would lead you to believe that I would want such a possesion.

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

You were perfectly willing to risk many of your friends and relatives over a small portion of your already-vast riches during the Battle of the Five Armies, and that part of the money wasn't even yours to begin with!

*jumps to his feet* My kinsfolk, Thorin, needed my aid and I gave him it. The gold in that hill belonged to the dwarves and the dwarves alone. Besides, was I not generious with distributing it amongst my allies after the battle? Let us keep to the subject at hand, for indeed if we brought up all the orcs wrong doings this council would never end.

Originally Posted by The Ka

It would also be interesting (and rather, to think of it, 'sticking to the original') to have another Hobbit be a ringbearer, past history aside. I think Lobelia being able to act in her own accordance and in the company of those who can learn from her and give advice in return as well would make a rewarding experience.

Indeed, hobbits are brave and sometimes can be as hardy as the dwarves, and they know very little about the Ring's capabilities which is very good if Lobelia chooses to be the Ring bearer.

Galadriel and Halbarad have expressed their opinion of having Lobelia carry the Ring. Why is that?

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I just wanted to bring up one thing which is also important, and I have to solve it before the game baggins:

No problems here.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Galadriel and Halbarad have expressed their opinion of having Lobelia carry the Ring. Why is that?

It seemed appropriate to me that, since Lobelia is the only hobbit in our august company, she should carry the Ring. I'd rather not transgress archetypes if I can avoid it.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

1. She is a hobbit
2. She is too stuborn and troublesome for anybody to want her in plan to get hold of the one ring
3. In case she is evil, she is too old and slow to escape with the ring.
4. She is relatively harmless. (the ring would weild no great power through her)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I am to deliver you a message: Gildor refuses to take the Ring, while Lobelia wantsss it.