Admin Thread for WWXLV: The Fellowship of Saruman

[Nerwen]

Well, that was more than a moment (stupid RL, always getting in the way).

The people I have highlighted must on no account be permitted to carry the Ring:

Gildor Inglorion
Uglúk –Do I have to explain this one?
Tom Bombadil –"And if he were given the Ring, he would soon forget it, or most likely throw it away."
Elrohir
Lobelia Sackville-Baggins –With her fondness for pilfering small, shiny objects? I think not.
Elladan
Dáin II. Ironfoot
Théodred
Éomer
Halbarad
Radagast
Gandalf –In his own words: "With that power I should have power too great and terrible. And over me the Ring would gain a power still more great and more deadly (...) The wish to wield it would be too great for my strength."
Galadriel –In her own words: "In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen (...) All shall love me and despair!"

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Surely Radagast should make the list as well? I refuse to belive that just because he was fond of animals, he was not powerful.

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Gildor Inglorion
Uglúk –Do I have to explain this one?
Tom Bombadil –"And if he were give the Ring, he would soon forget it, or most likely throw it away."
Elrohir
Lobelia Sackville-Baggins –With her fondness for pilfering small, shiny objects? I think not.
Elladan
Dáin II. Ironfoot
Théodred
Éomer
Halbarad
Radagast
Gandalf –In his own words: "With that power I should have power too great and terrible. And over me the Ring would gain a power still more great and more deadly (...) The wish to wield it would be too great for my strength."
Galadriel –In her own words: "In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen (...) All shall love me and despair!"

Very nicce Nerwen.

Elladan & Elrohir- These brothers would fall into the Boromir catagory. They hate so much that the temptation to use the ring would be too great to resist, in an attempt to do good.

Radagast- I agree with Rune that Radagast is powerful, and I don't think that anyone with to great a power should be the Rings keeper.

Unless there are any objections, I think that the rest of the characters are fine.

[Nerwen]

Yes, I'll add my brother and I to the list... mind you, we might be distracted by trying to lynch Mene– er, I mean Uglúk.

The new, improved list:

Definitely out:

Tom Bombadil –short attention span.
Elladan & Elrohir –emotional baggage.
Lobelia Sackville-Baggins –kleptomania.
Gandalf –too powerful.
Galadriel –too powerful
Radagast –too powerful.
Uglúk –tragic victim of racial stereotyping.

Question marks:

Gildor Inglorion –but can we really trust any Elf Lord?
Théodred –Probably okay, but might "do a Boromir"? Rohan's not that far from Mordor– they're still under threat.
Éomer –ditto.
Halbarad –Can't think of anything.
Dáin II. Ironfoot –Hard to say. The Seven Rings could turn dwarves evil, "filled with wrath and desire for vengeance on all who deprived them," but on the other hand "they were made from the beginning of a kind to resist most steadfastly any domination (...) they could not be reduced to shadows enslaved to another's will."

Btw Groin? I was thinking Dáin didn't get any lines in the main text, but I was wrong. Here he is talking to the Black Rider:

At that his breath came like the hiss of snakes, and all who stood by shuddered, but Dáin said: "I say neither yea nor nay. I must consider this message and what it means under its fair cloak."
"Consider well, but not too long."
"The time of my thought is my own to spend," answered Dáin.

[Gwathagor]

Come on, we all know that Halbarad is the only one who could safely carry the Ring. Why? Because he doesn't want it.

Actually, I don't. Give it to Gildor.

[Nerwen]

Halbarad –Suspiciously keen to be the Ringbearer.

[Meneltarmacil]

Look, just give it to me, OK? Yes, I'm an Orc, but I do whatever the White Hand says. And if the White Hand says to destroy the Ring, I'll destroy the Ring, simple as that.

Personally, I don't care much for all these stuck-up, better-than-thou, High-Elven types. And I like the fat guy with the yellow boots even less. That horrible singing is getting on my nerves! In a worst-case-scenario, I know who I'm gutting for man-flesh first, mark my words.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Actually I would not mind Lobelia being the ringbearer

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Btw Groin? I was thinking Dáin didn't get any lines in the main text, but I was wrong. Here he is talking to the Black Rider:

Yes, I saw that part in the book, but instead I chose Gandalf's quote about Dáin. Since, you have searched throught the books for such a quote for me I'll take that one over mine. Thanks Nerwen.

Originally Posted by McCaber

I say let the ranger carry it. He seems to have one of the clearer heads among us.

I don't know about that, I'm wary of having any man carry the Ring. I really like the idea of having Gildor carry the ring, but to quote Nerwen: can we really trust an elf [lord]?

EDIT: 400th post!

[Gwathagor]

I think that either Gildor or Lobelia would be good Ringbearers.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, Dain, I certaily don't trust these elf-lords any more than you do. I mean, didn't you hear Elrohir's comment about killing me before I could get the Ring? And all because I'm an Orc? How dare he question my loyalty to Saruman the Wise!

Not that I'd trust you with such a thing either. How do I know you won't keep it? You were perfectly willing to risk many of your friends and relatives over a small portion of your already-vast riches during the Battle of the Five Armies, and that part of the money wasn't even yours to begin with!

A stuck-up Elf shouldn't have the Ring, but neither should a greedy Dwarf like yourself. This matter is better left in the hands of those who only care about what needs to be done.

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by Rune

Surely Radagast should make the list as well? I refuse to belive that just because he was fond of animals, he was not powerful.

Good, because I don't want it anyways.

I mean seriously, have any of you ever tried feeding, let alone counciling birds when you have a shiny bit of anything on you? Horrible, horrible logic.

Unlike Gandalf, I will keep it short: I don't think I'd make a very illustrious ring bearer, and for the sake of good dialogue and writing, I think someone else should take it.


Besides *does a runway stance*, gold really isn't my colour.


I think it would be rather interesting to see Menel with this ring, just to consider the back history of such things and the number of people who've been made to hold them, unless a few of you have been sleeping for the past few ages. Elves, Dwarves, Maia and Men have held such things, but really, what about Ugluk's kin?

I wouldn't suggest any of my furry or feathered friends to be ring bearers, anymore than I would simply pick an elve or a dwarve or even Gandalf, because doing something so serious without thought seems hasty to me.

Also, it rings a bit of favouritism too (no pun intended!).

Unfortunately, Radagast apparently knows next to nothing about Hobbits (thought he shares so many likes and dislikes with them), so I'm going out of character to have a pre-cognition about Lobelia's possiblility.

It would also be interesting (and rather, to think of it, 'sticking to the original') to have another Hobbit be a ringbearer, past history aside. I think Lobelia being able to act in her own accordance and in the company of those who can learn from her and give advice in return as well would make a rewarding experience. Then again, what do I know about hobbits?

As for Bombadil, though I respect him for all his wonders and love for the wild, I don't think it would benefit anyone to give him the ring. He is simply not interested and probably has better things to do.

Dain indeed seems wise, of course after many years, and I know of his kin, but as I've said before I would no more favour with logic burdening a bird with the ring than simply giving it to someone.

Galadriel is very wise, but as others have said I will have to agree, she is simply too great to be a ring bearer. As is the same with Gandalf, and even Saruman if he was in the fellowship. Though, whoever does take on this role, I hope they do listen to her good words.

Gildor seems a possible choice, but I think we should have him give his own thoughts before anyone starts collecting votes.

I have to go now, erm, I have to settle a dispute between squirrels and chipmunks on tree ownership...

~ Ka

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

Not that I'd trust you with such a thing either. How do I know you won't keep it?

I have never made any statement which would lead you to believe that I would want such a possesion.

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

You were perfectly willing to risk many of your friends and relatives over a small portion of your already-vast riches during the Battle of the Five Armies, and that part of the money wasn't even yours to begin with!

*jumps to his feet* My kinsfolk, Thorin, needed my aid and I gave him it. The gold in that hill belonged to the dwarves and the dwarves alone. Besides, was I not generious with distributing it amongst my allies after the battle? Let us keep to the subject at hand, for indeed if we brought up all the orcs wrong doings this council would never end.

Originally Posted by The Ka

It would also be interesting (and rather, to think of it, 'sticking to the original') to have another Hobbit be a ringbearer, past history aside. I think Lobelia being able to act in her own accordance and in the company of those who can learn from her and give advice in return as well would make a rewarding experience.

Indeed, hobbits are brave and sometimes can be as hardy as the dwarves, and they know very little about the Ring's capabilities which is very good if Lobelia chooses to be the Ring bearer.

Galadriel and Halbarad have expressed their opinion of having Lobelia carry the Ring. Why is that?

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I just wanted to bring up one thing which is also important, and I have to solve it before the game baggins:

No problems here.