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Old 04-02-2008, 03:52 PM   #1
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There's an interesting description of combat using a spear in Egil's Saga:

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Thorolf was thus armed. He had a shield ample and stout, a right strong helmet on his head; he was girded with the sword that he called Long, a weapon large and good. In his hand he had a spear, whereof the feather-formed blade was two ells long, ending in a four-edged spike; the blade was broad above, the socket both long and thick. The shaft stood just high enough for the hand to grasp the socket, and was remarkably thick. The socket fitted with iron prong on the shaft, which was also wound round with iron. Such weapons were called mail-piercers.....

Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his spear with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his spear at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail-coat and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the spear over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. Then Thorolf drew his sword and dealt blows on either side, his men also charging. Many Britons and Scots fell, but some turned and fled.
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The problems with the Sagas is that in many ways you cannot trust them. . .
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Old 04-03-2008, 01:27 AM   #3
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The problems with the Sagas is that in many ways you cannot trust them. . .
Well, not in terms of historical accuracy, no, but they were clearly a major influence on Tolkien. They shaped his concept of M-e & possibly his views on combat. The world of the Silmarillion is very much the world of the Sagas. And Thorolf's dispatching of Hring is less 'fantastical' than Hurin's slaying 70 Trolls.
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Thorolf's dispatching of Hring is less 'fantastical' than Hurin's slaying 70 Trolls.
Well, we don't actually know that Húrin killed 70 trolls. We know he killed 70 enemies including trolls, but it doesn't go into detail (there was a thread on this some time ago, I'll see if I can find it).
Anyway, I like to think that he didkill 70 trolls. But all I'm saying is that the way words are ordered make a difference. Anyway, What you say about ME being a land full of saga-like stories is true.

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Well, we don't actually know that Húrin killed 70 trolls. We know he killed 70 enemies including trolls, but it doesn't go into detail (there was a thread on this some time ago, I'll see if I can find it).
Anyway, I like to think that he didkill 70 trolls. But all I'm saying is that the way words are ordered make a difference. Anyway, What you say about ME being a land full of saga-like stories is true.

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And it would not matter if it was trolls or not unless that in the ranks of Angband there was a creature that died when you looked sternly at it, then Hurin's achievment would seem less fantastical.
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