WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[Isabellkya]

I think toDay is one of my most pathetic Day One's ever.

There is suspicious behavior everywhere, being veiled by something which could be explained away as 'in character banter'.

I think the easy votes would be for either phantom for some reason, and Boro for his whatevering with Mira.

Really, would Boro be that obvious Day one?

Do I vote for Shasta for saying to the Big Bad Wolf, unwise things?
Who even does that sort of thing on Day One? Bluff?


X'd since Agan's #131. I think trying to say I crossposted killed the Downs for me. o.O

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Lomzy

I think it's either a scheme or a joke between friends and in both cases I advice to ignore it.

Originally Posted by Aganzy

Greenie - maybe you should calm down and ignore Boro and phantom?

First thing - I don't think I was in a state that would have required calming down. Second thing - although only concentrating on those two is surely dangerous, I can't ignore two players completely, either. That seems very unwise. You wouldn't advice me to ignore Gwath, or Kath (I'm a poet! Hooray!), or Mith. I won't purposefully ignore anyone or anything. I don't see the point in that.

Originally Posted by Qwath (love that name!), underlining mine

Surely, Boro, you could "test" the village without risking the life of one of our better players?

Dunno why but calling scheming, complicated, attention-seeking players our better players annoys me. No, but honestly, I don't think making things complicated and doing all sorts of ploys necessarily means being right more often or being more efficient in catching wolves.

Originally Posted by Boro

By the way, you can't trust someone's promises, but you can trust votes...and see I already voted so you are already safe from me.

Sorry but I don't buy this. As if you didn't know or expected that whoever it was who you said this to didn't know that the votes are retractable. Smells of a purposeful attempt to mislead another player.

Originally Posted by Aganzy

McC (although if he's planning to be quiet himself while saying the silent ones should be lynched first, I'm going to vote for him)

Originally Posted by Aganzy

Grr are you really going to lynch him on day 1 just because he's Boro?

So you'd be ready to lynch McCaber just because he plays like he always does but are angry when people are about to lynch Boro for being Boro?

[A Little Green]

Aganzir - seems okay this far. Her relationship with Lommy looks weird, though - before the game they talked about how they don't want to quarrel in this game, and now they are both decidedly considering each other innocent.
Boro - Dunno about him. I don't like his style, but I suppose that's nothing new and I agree with Agan that it's a poor reason for lynching him.
Eomer - Speaks sense, mostly.
Fea - I disagree with her about Day 1s, and I dislike her vote. She's entertaining, though.
Gaurcrist - I hope he knows the game has started.
Gwath - I would have changed Gwath into Qwath since I really prefer that but that would have meant that I'd have had to move him in my neat alphabetical order and I didn't have the energy to do so. He seems all right this far.
Inziladun - Apart from the confusing nicknames he doesn't disturb me.
Izzy - Nothing alarming.
Kath - Speaks good sense. I like her.
Lari - I'm confused. I hope she'll be able to be around more toMorrow.
Lommy - Seems okay.
McCaber - Seems okay. I like his contribution.
Mira - Her vote is very easy and sort of non-comittal. That's all I have to say about her. Slightly evil.
Mith - She's nice.
Nerwen - She's even more entertaining than Fea and not nearly as alarming.
Nienna - I agree with Eomer and Lommy that her vote looks decidedly uninterested and non-comittal. An innocent would at least try to catch a wolf.
the phantom - Pretty much the same as with Boro: I dislike his style but that's not a good reason to lynch someone.
Sally - No read.
Shasta - I'm alarmed by him. His "I'm ordo"-comment seemed to me a rather wolvish thing to say. A baddie might not have thought so deeply about the interpretations a BBW could have derived from that if Shasta was not his fellow. I don't know if my explanation made any sense at all, but in short, that comment made me very uneasy about him. I'll vote for him unless a better candidate appears.

[A Little Green]

A slight correction to my list because my brain is leaking and I forgot half of my Lommy-sentence. Here comes the Lommy-sentence in full:

Lommy - Seems okay except for the thing I mentioned when talking about Agan.

[Boromir88]

Fea's spot on with her reasoning, no joke, it is 100% accurate. Now why Gwath and Shasta have jumped on it, I don't know. I actually buy Shasta's ordo plea at the beginning, but if he did vote for me just to keep long standing traditions and I am lynched, I will be sore.

Oh I should get this out of the way too

--the phantom

Gwath on the other hand looks the worst. He claims I am setting up Mira for a wolf kill,which I wasn't, I was trying to find my piece, but wouldn't that mean I am not a wolf? I guess I could be the robber bridegroom, but that's not me either, it would have been a great joy to play with the role I partially created, but alas not me. If I was the robber bridegroom someone (who I will not mention for his/her own safety) would be dead right now.

I don't get Boro's behaviour but I think people are too quick to jump on it. It could have been just a joke. *shrugs* But actually the announcement that he's getting serious and we should ignore everything he said in the first half of the Day is what puzzles and worries me the most...~Lommy

That's because there really is nothing in them, I am just randomly writing a response to whatever someone says. If you would like to pick my brain to see if I have a subconscious reason for responding in the way I did, go ahead, but I would not want to see you go insane. It would be much easier if one were to start an analysis on me, to start with this post.

[Boromir88]

Grr are you really going to lynch him on day 1 just because he's Boro?~Agan

Thank you for the defense, but can I have one of your lions just in case?

I have to remember this, because I remember defending you when I was a wolf before, so now I just think you might be returning the favor. Are you the type of wolf to sieze on the oppurtunity right now, or try to butter me up so I taste better?

I need to figure that out, Mith would be someone who would totally sieze on the oppurtunity, so if she comes and retracts for tp to vote for me, I am going to cast my vote for her.

[Boromir88]

Boro - Dunno about him. I don't like his style, but I suppose that's nothing new and I agree with Agan that it's a poor reason for lynching him.~Greenie

I realize I am a very difficult person, and it has to be excruciating having tp here, because we are constantly in an under-the-table power game to see which one of us can get the most attention.

However, I believe I have to get people talking to find out something. Now I could try "do you think the lovers will want to help us more or the wolves?," but that's not my thing. I could go through and type out long analysis posts, and post summaries of the current situation, but I am not a patient person. (can you tell?) The only way that seems to work, and doesn't get me night killed is to give people a migraine and make them talk about me, now I have information about...

You
Kath
Mith
Fea
Gwath
Shasta
the phantom
Izzy
Mira
Lommy
Agan
Inziladun
McCaber
sally

And maybe others I am missing, the point is though I have gotten a lot of people to talk about me, and with that I will try to make some kind of sense of it. But to try to do that on Day 1, with all the competing interests is going to be difficult.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Thank you for the defense, but can I have one of your lions just in case?

Nope, I don't want to risk you brutally killing them at night.

Originally Posted by Boro

Are you the type of wolf to sieze on the oppurtunity right now, or try to butter me up so I taste better?

I would so try to butter you up as I best can and eat you a night before you'd begin to get dangerous to me. I can be very sweet if I want to.
However I don't think I was particularly defending you - rather I was complaining about the quality of the votes.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

"do you think the lovers will want to help us more or the wolves?,"

They hopefully realise themselves that their chances of survival are better if they help us because they still count as innocents (or do they? Wilwa?) and the wolves want to kill each and every innocent.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

It makes Lommy look innocent, because it is brutally honest.

It was that "Silly, I know. " which made me feel bad about it, like she was trying to altogether downplay the whole comment with it. Like, "see, this was just a silly thing that occurred to me (and I'm actually trying to leave a hint to the possible cobbler!)"
Personally I tend to be a very honest wolf - just because people don't think a wolf would do this or that. And therefore I have a hard time thinking a wolf could not be brutally honest.
But I am not going to vote for her today because of that.

Originally Posted by Boro

I do not have that "aieee" reaction, and now I wonder why Agan, you reacted to it? It looks a bit...over the top?

Because I had sort of promised myself I'd try to ignore Lommy for a couple of days, just to avoid possible conflicts. Or are you talking about why I reacted to it in the first place?

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Thinking about Hansel and Gretel, since Mith has brought it up. It might be wise to hold your powers today. Use them, when we get more information and are more confident.

Another option, if they haven't sent their choices yet (or are uncertain on any other day), is to muddle with the votes for people who have just one - that's the least likely way to cause a disaster. Also, if there's any chance Hansel & Gretel could be around & make their decisions only close to the deadline, I think they should. Think about possible last-minute gifted reveals, it's going to be a chaos if Gretel has doubled the vote of someone who voted for the gifted in question and Hansel cancelled that of someone's who's online then.

[Nerwen]

Well, here they are:

Hansel: He may be a small child but he's more powerful then he looks! Every Day, at any time, he sends me the name of a player. This player’s vote will not count. He cannot choose the same player two Days in a row. If he chooses the player who has the role of the Old Witch his vote will not count and hers still will. He will not be informed if this happens.

Gretel: She may be a small child but she's more powerful then she looks! Every Day, at any time, she sends me the name of a player. This player will be given double voting; therefore their vote will be worth that of 2 votes. She cannot choose the same player two Days in a row. She can choose herself once. If she chooses the player who has the role of the Old Witch her vote will not count. She will not be informed if this happens.

EDIT:X'd since Lommy at 161.

[Isabellkya]

Agh.
It is late, and I rereading the thread again is not working very well at this hour.
I read a few posts, then go.. what did I just read again?

So..

++Shasta

Because I don't like his "reveal". He didn't even reply to the people whom questioned about the wise factor about it.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Lommy

But actually the announcement that he's getting serious and we should ignore everything he said in the first half of the Day is what puzzles and worries me the most...

What I find funny is that he hasn't posted at all after that post.
But yes he's probably aware his early posts won't be ignored whatever he says so I don't know what was the point of saying it.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Fea voted Boro next. I get a very bad feeling from this vote. It looks like a carefully planned bandwagon-starter against a dangerous player or maybe even a suspected gifted.

I don't like it either, it somehow looked like... over-explanatory. And it looks a bit as if she was sort of hiding behind her dislike towards day 1s and using it as a reason to vote for a dangerous player.

Basically I don't like any of the Boro votes very much because, well, the reasons aren't very good and it looks like an effort to get rid of someone who can severely harm the baddies if he's good himself.

I agree with Lommy and Eomer about the votes in general (but I don't contemplate trolls).

Originally Posted by Lommy

I don't want to vote Mira because it would look like Boro's the cobbler and I'm a wolf taking his hint. Yeah, I thought that way. Silly, I know.

Aieee I promised I'd ignore you but I can't help this! I don't like that comment - it means practically the same thing as voting Mira (according to you) would have meant. If you had voted her, I wouldn't probably have even thought of it that way, but you refrain from doing it because you don't want to appear wolfish by "taking hints from the cobbler". Still, you say it aloud, which looks like "Hey cobbler I caught your hint!" And that "Silly, I know" doesn't make it look any better.

Originally Posted by Greenie

I won't purposefully ignore anyone or anything. I don't see the point in that.

I was just trying to protect your little green head from aching as you always get annoyed with those two.

Originally Posted by Greenie

So you'd be ready to lynch McCaber just because he plays like he always does but are angry when people are about to lynch Boro for being Boro?

I could be blunt and say: Yes because Boro is louder.
But no I think you missed my point - I referred to McC saying quiet ones should be lynched first while giving the impression he was going to talk lots in this game.

Originally Posted by Greenie

before the game they talked about how they don't want to quarrel in this game, and now they are both decidedly considering each other innocent.

I don't see why you think that's weird, and at least on my part it isn't anything like "decidedly considering" her innocent. The only thing I decided was not to attack her with ridiculous reasons as long as she behaves herself and doesn't do the same to me.

I'm not overly fond of Greenie, somehow she seems to be aggressive and grasping at straws at the same time. Her point about Shasta was good, but unlike she, I don't think it was such a big thing. Like, I didn't approve much of his comment either, but it didn't make me feel "very uneasy".
I'm aware I have a tendency to suspect Green just because the way she plays always looks suspicious to me, but last time I decided not to say anything just because of that and lo! she killed me the next night.

[Mithalwen]

I am back and should be here to the end. Need to catch up.

[Nerwen]

Back. Reading.

[Boromir88]

What I find funny is that he hasn't posted at all after that post. ~Agan

Hey even robots have to sleep (Look what you made me do! Even after I promised not too).

But to make this be somewhat useful...I disagree with what you said about Lommy here:

Aieee I promised I'd ignore you but I can't help this! I don't like that comment - it means practically the same thing as voting Mira (according to you) would have meant. If you had voted her, I wouldn't probably have even thought of it that way, but you refrain from doing it because you don't want to appear wolfish by "taking hints from the cobbler". Still, you say it aloud, which looks like "Hey cobbler I caught your hint!" And that "Silly, I know" doesn't make it look any better.

It makes Lommy look innocent, because it is brutally honest. I used to be constantly paranoid, and careful about what I said, or what I posted. People think that makes you a wolf, but it doesn't, ordos and innocents fear the gallows and also constantly wonder "If I say this,will people want to lynch me? If I vote this person, and I am wrong, will people think I am a wolf?"...etc

Until I finally realized, you can say whatever you want, someone will have a bad feeling, a twist in their gut...some reason to actually suspect you. And Lommy being brutally honest that she is worried if she does something, people will think she's a wolf shows me two things:

1. She is actually thinking about who to lynch today. I mean based on that alone, she should live today.

2. She is worried about the gallows, but isn't hiding it. That type of honesty is hard to find in a wolf.

Maybe Lommy is a great manipulating baddie, but I do not have that "aieee" reaction, and now I wonder why Agan, you reacted to it? It looks a bit...over the top?

[Inziladun]

Well, I return from a few hours of not so blissful slumber in which I racked by brain to reach a decision today. I see some thoughtful analysis has been offered by some who seem to know what they're talking about, while others appear to be whistling past the graveyard (where Eomer no doubt resides in a leaning tar-paper shack polishing his spade).
I'll have to leave shortly, so I must decide and hope my instinct is correct.
There are three at this time who stand out to me: Boromir, who has thrown things out all over the place to the point I don't know how to take him; the phantom, offering little of any use, while making vague threats about how long everyone is safe, and Nienna, who cast that 'just because' vote for Feanor.
It's the last that bothers me the most, I think, and it smacks of a nervous ne'er do well possibly trying to eliminate one who could be a threat to her nefarious plans.
I really have to go now, and I won't make it back in time for the deadline, so...

++ Nienna