WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[Boromir88]

Boro - Dunno about him. I don't like his style, but I suppose that's nothing new and I agree with Agan that it's a poor reason for lynching him.~Greenie

I realize I am a very difficult person, and it has to be excruciating having tp here, because we are constantly in an under-the-table power game to see which one of us can get the most attention.

However, I believe I have to get people talking to find out something. Now I could try "do you think the lovers will want to help us more or the wolves?," but that's not my thing. I could go through and type out long analysis posts, and post summaries of the current situation, but I am not a patient person. (can you tell?) The only way that seems to work, and doesn't get me night killed is to give people a migraine and make them talk about me, now I have information about...

You
Kath
Mith
Fea
Gwath
Shasta
the phantom
Izzy
Mira
Lommy
Agan
Inziladun
McCaber
sally

And maybe others I am missing, the point is though I have gotten a lot of people to talk about me, and with that I will try to make some kind of sense of it. But to try to do that on Day 1, with all the competing interests is going to be difficult.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Thank you for the defense, but can I have one of your lions just in case?

Nope, I don't want to risk you brutally killing them at night.

Originally Posted by Boro

Are you the type of wolf to sieze on the oppurtunity right now, or try to butter me up so I taste better?

I would so try to butter you up as I best can and eat you a night before you'd begin to get dangerous to me. I can be very sweet if I want to.
However I don't think I was particularly defending you - rather I was complaining about the quality of the votes.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

"do you think the lovers will want to help us more or the wolves?,"

They hopefully realise themselves that their chances of survival are better if they help us because they still count as innocents (or do they? Wilwa?) and the wolves want to kill each and every innocent.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

It makes Lommy look innocent, because it is brutally honest.

It was that "Silly, I know. " which made me feel bad about it, like she was trying to altogether downplay the whole comment with it. Like, "see, this was just a silly thing that occurred to me (and I'm actually trying to leave a hint to the possible cobbler!)"
Personally I tend to be a very honest wolf - just because people don't think a wolf would do this or that. And therefore I have a hard time thinking a wolf could not be brutally honest.
But I am not going to vote for her today because of that.

Originally Posted by Boro

I do not have that "aieee" reaction, and now I wonder why Agan, you reacted to it? It looks a bit...over the top?

Because I had sort of promised myself I'd try to ignore Lommy for a couple of days, just to avoid possible conflicts. Or are you talking about why I reacted to it in the first place?

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Thinking about Hansel and Gretel, since Mith has brought it up. It might be wise to hold your powers today. Use them, when we get more information and are more confident.

Another option, if they haven't sent their choices yet (or are uncertain on any other day), is to muddle with the votes for people who have just one - that's the least likely way to cause a disaster. Also, if there's any chance Hansel & Gretel could be around & make their decisions only close to the deadline, I think they should. Think about possible last-minute gifted reveals, it's going to be a chaos if Gretel has doubled the vote of someone who voted for the gifted in question and Hansel cancelled that of someone's who's online then.

[Nerwen]

Well, here they are:

Hansel: He may be a small child but he's more powerful then he looks! Every Day, at any time, he sends me the name of a player. This player’s vote will not count. He cannot choose the same player two Days in a row. If he chooses the player who has the role of the Old Witch his vote will not count and hers still will. He will not be informed if this happens.

Gretel: She may be a small child but she's more powerful then she looks! Every Day, at any time, she sends me the name of a player. This player will be given double voting; therefore their vote will be worth that of 2 votes. She cannot choose the same player two Days in a row. She can choose herself once. If she chooses the player who has the role of the Old Witch her vote will not count. She will not be informed if this happens.

EDIT:X'd since Lommy at 161.

[Mithalwen]

Has anyone an up to date vote tally? And I apologise for muddying the waters but who among us has not been tempted to smite the Phantom now and then?

[Thinlómien]

Fair point, Mith. I hadn't thought of it that way.

I'm still wondering whether I should retract or not, and if yes, who should I vote...

edit: xed with Mith

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Lari -> phantom
Boro -> phantom
Mira -> Sally
Mith -> phantom
Kath -> Lommy
Sally -> Agan
Fea -> Boro
Gwath -> Boro
Nienna -> Fea
Shasta -> Boro.

I believe is the tally. Boro 3. phantom 3. Fea, Agan, Lommy, Sally 1.

After that
Lommy -> Shasta
Eomer -> Nienna
Boro -- phantom
Izzy -> Shasta
Inzil -> Nienna
Greenie -> Shasta
Mith -- phantom

So
Boro 3
Shasta 3
Nienna 2
Fea 1
Agan 1
Lommy 1
Sally 1
phantom 1

[Thinlómien]

Wilwa, are we told in the Nightly narration if LRC is transformed into a wolf?

Because if we are, then I see much less point in lynching Shasta toDay.

edit: xed with tp

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

They hopefully realise themselves that their chances of survival are better if they help us because they still count as innocents (or do they? Wilwa?) and the wolves want to kill each and every innocent.

Well, yes. Since they count as innocents they probably would want to get rid of the wolves. But if they end up in a situation where they could only survive by siding with wolves, then they'd probably do it. Lets say we end up with like 3 baddies and 3 innocents, and 2 of the innocents are a set of Lovers. Even though the baddies win, so do the Lovers, so they'd be perfectly happy letting this situation happen.

Deadline in 20 minutes.

[Thinlómien]

I'm not enthusiastic about lynching Boro but then again I'm wavering about my vote for Shasta... so I may switch to Nienna. But somehow I wouldn't have a very good feeling about it either... Argh, difficult.

edit: xedwAgNer

[Mithalwen]

I make it :

Shasta 3 (Lommie, Greenie and Issy)
Boro 3 (Shasta Gwath and Fea)
Nienna 2 (Inzi &Eomer)
Fea 1 (Nienna)
TP 1 (Lari)
Sally1 (Mira)
Agan1 (Sally)
Lommie 1(Quath)

Boro and I have used up our retraction for the day.

So with the H&G factor anyone with a vote could get lynched I think?


Dangerous and 20 minuites to go.

[Mithalwen]

Good we agree! Now then :

Shasta 3 (Lommie, Greenie and Issy)
Boro 3 (Shasta Gwath and Fea)
Nienna 2 (Inzi &Eomer)
Fea 1 (Nienna)
TP 1 (Lari)
Sally1 (Mira)
Agan1 (Sally)
Lommie 1(Quath)
Lari 1 (Phantom).

If it comes to the crunch I may go for Shasta for reasons stated. Boro I am not sure about... he is too prone to stir things up on day one and often pays for it with his life....