Orcs creation theory

[Flame of Anor]

Ok, i agree, Morgoth probably did not create Orcs but corrupted them into themselves.

But I'm still wondering: Is Fëa (soul) passed down from parents to children, or does Eru have to give each being its own Fëa. If the case is the latter, then the first corrupted product (orc) would have a spirit but the next generation, its child, would not have one. It would be an empty body, unless Eru chose to give each new orc a soul, and my question's are:

Why would he do that? Do they or will they serve some purpose for Eru?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Flame of Anor

But I'm still wondering: Is Fëa (soul) passed down from parents to children, or does Eru have to give each being its own Fëa. If the case is the latter, then the first corrupted product (orc) would have a spirit but the next generation, its child, would not have one. It would be an empty body, unless Eru chose to give each new orc a soul, and my question's are:

Why would he do that? Do they or will they serve some purpose for Eru?

For the first part of your post, I would say all the Orcs must possess Fëa, or, as you say, they would have no will or thoughts of their own, acting along the lines of the Fathers of the Dwarves when Aulë first brought them into being.

For thou hast from me as a gift thy own being only, and no more; and therefore the creatures of thy hand and mind can live only by that being, moving when thou thinkest to move them, and if thy thought be elsewhere, standing idle.

Such were Ilúvatar's words to Aulë.
I would think souls must be assigned to each being individually, or would not each new Orc essentially be a reincarnation of an earlier generation?
As to why The One would ensoul such creatures, my only answer is that the Orcs must play some important part in the story of the world, or they would not be allowed to exist. The question of whether that part was devised for them from the very beginning, before even Melkor conceived of making a race of his own to serve him, or if it was a response to Melkor's act is really beyond my pay grade.
My feeling is that if one accepts the premise of Ilúvatar being the Prime Creator and ultimate author of the Play, it must follow that nothing occurrs that is unforseen to him, and every event has a purpose.

[alatar]

Thingol and Melian begat what?

Assume then a Maiar that joined Melkor from the beginning. Mate this being with any other being (elf, dwarf, ent, man, animal, etc) and see what happens. If Melian could take a form that was compatible with Thingol, biologically-speaking, then why couldn't a Maia bent on some hellish plan take a form to allow for the begetting of some new hybrid species?

This explanation would also account for balance in the realm of Arda (Ents - trolls, elves - orcs, eagles - winged beasts, Bombadil - ...).

[Ghazi]

Originally Posted by alatar

Thingol and Melian begat what?

An elf.

Originally Posted by alatar

Assume then a Maiar that joined Melkor from the beginning. Mate this being with any other being (elf, dwarf, ent, man, animal, etc) and see what happens. If Melian could take a form that was compatible with Thingol, biologically-speaking, then why couldn't a Maia bent on some hellish plan take a form to allow for the begetting of some new hybrid species?

In the case mentioned above, and if the logic holds, the Maiar in question would have to assume a compatible form (ent, elf, etc.), in order to mate, and therefore would produce an expected offspring (ent, elf, etc.).

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Ghazi

An elf.

Was she 'just' an elf? Somehow Lúthien's genes are a little different from the rest of the First or Second born.

But let's work with that. Melian wasn't an elf, but obviously made herself appear - physically, mechanically - enough like an elf to beget a child. Take some other maia that's not so nice. Have this evil being take a form enough like an elf to create offspring, but not like an elf in appearance due to its more evil nature. What could we get from that union?

In the case mentioned above, and if the logic holds, the Maiar in question would have to assume a compatible form (ent, elf, etc.), in order to mate, and therefore would produce an expected offspring (ent, elf, etc.).

See above. Mate the offspring of multiple elf-evil maia unions, select for the nastier ones; mate them to each other; repeat as necessary.

[Rumil]

Could be there's a bit of Boldog in the orcish gene-pool too

[PrinceOfTheHalflings]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

As to why The One would ensoul such creatures, my only answer is that the Orcs must play some important part in the story of the world, or they would not be allowed to exist. The question of whether that part was devised for them from the very beginning, before even Melkor conceived of making a race of his own to serve him, or if it was a response to Melkor's act is really beyond my pay grade.
My feeling is that if one accepts the premise of Ilúvatar being the Prime Creator and ultimate author of the Play, it must follow that nothing occurrs that is unforseen to him, and every event has a purpose.

"And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite."

So yes ... it is all part of his Grand Design ... all foreseen by Him.