WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

It wasn't actually a point against you, I said it to illustrate why I made a fuss of your "wolf tactics run in cycles" comment and the comments before it. Because it gave me a slightly bad feeling about you that became gradually stronger.

About as vague as it gets, Agan.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

In other words: it reminded me of Nerwolf. Not just the comment itself but combined with the way you said it, it felt bad.

Also as vague as it gets. In other words: it reminded you of every werewolf player ever.

(FYI. This is the post she's talking about. The one she insisted was a call to lynch wintywinty.)

Originally Posted by Aganzir

You can interpret it like that if you want to but, objectively, I think it's a comment that could go either way so you can't deduce my role from it. And I said it because it was an amusing thing to say, just like Lommy told she had a dream about the game.

So who's trying to witchhunt now, Nerwen?

Not I. I just asked you why you said it. It was really quite an odd thing to say. What I call "witch-hunting" is when you latch on to a completely ordinary, casual remark that anyone might make, insist that it's a sign of wolvery and force the other party to explain it over and over again, then say "The explanation only makes you look worse", or "Aha! You're defensive!" or "Well, it doesn't matter, you just feel bad". And with any luck, by that time half the village will be after the victim. Sound familiar?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Oh and it takes one innocent to vote wrong and we've lost the game (because whether the wolf is Shasta or Nerwen, they both can probably be around at deadline, at least given their timezones)...
At the moment I don't particularly care if you lynch me because you can't blame me for our loss anyway (except Brinn).

My dear Agan, if you do turn out innocent I will most certainly blame you for our loss– see my comments to Brinn yesterDay and then multiply them by ten. If you're both innocent, that would mean neither of you even has the excuse of having been manipulated by a wolf!

And of course, it would also mean I certainly couldn't be blamed for our loss– but the funny thing is, I most certainly care if I get lynched. That whole wanting-the-village win thing, you know.

EDIT:word alteration, spelling.

[Nerwen]

So, could Shasta be the wolf?

Well, he could, yes. He could have come back near DL, worried that Lottie would convince me to vote Legate rather than Agan and that winty might follow suit, and decided to jump on the possible bandwagon because of how good it would make him look, rather than either doing nothing or trying to help Legate by switching to me. Far-fetched, perhaps, but possible. And there have been some points against him, like his role in getting Morsul lynched.

All the same, I can't really see Shasta being the one that gets lynched toDay.

[Nerwen]

Anyway– I might not be able to make the DL this time, so–

++Aganzir

Because there's more against her, by a long shot.

(And Shasta, if it's you after all, you're just brilliant and I will give you a wonderful rep when it's all over.)

Good night and good luck.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here and reading, will post momentarily.

As promised, sorry Brinn.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

The other is that I was thinking last Night that it would actually be better strategy for an Aganwolf to kill Shasta rather than Lottie.

I disagree. That would have made it Lottie, Lommy, Nerwen, and Aganzir at deadline... two of which were/are cleared innocents. I'm not sure that's something the wolf would have wanted to risk at endgame.

Originally Posted by Lommy

What else? Oh, I also had a dream last night where there was huge BD meeting somewhere and somebody (I think Greenie) suggested we finish this game as a RL game by having a few hour picnic. Everybody thought it was a good idea except Agan who said it wouldn't be fair to the wolf because her expressions can reveal her and she sort of slipped she was talking about herself.

Oh, then clearly it's Agan.

Originally Posted by Agan

and that if I was a wolf, my voting record would be much better.

Haven't I already said I disagree with this? If I haven't, then I should have - you can't ask us to take on faith what you "would do if" you were a wolf.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

ZMOG!11! u m3an taht gam3 wEar shaSta r3vealed as teh raNjer & borow00lf got u all 2 linch him??? ROFL!!!!!11111

Translation:

Originally Posted by Nerwen translated

Oh my dear goodness! Do you mean that game where Shasta revealed as the almighty Ranger, and the silly village actually listened to Borowolf and lynched him?! That's so incredibly amusing!

Originally Posted by Nerwen

You do know that's not evidence, right?

I don't think it was supposed to be evidence, Nerwen. Just something amusing to point out.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Though, perhaps I can help you out. Both incidents you're referring to involved me saying something another player (or players) did might (or might not, in the case of winty) be suspicious. Now I can see where the similarity comes in– those are the only two times anyone has said that about anyone else in the entire history of Werewolf!

–Wait, what?

This made me giggle.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

My dear Agan, if you do turn out innocent I will most certainly blame you for our loss– see my comments to Brinn yesterDay and then multiply them by ten. If you're both innocent, that would mean neither of you even has the excuse of having been manipulated by a wolf!

This bothered me yesterday and it's bothering me again today. Do we have to throw blame around like it's candy?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

About as vague as it gets, Agan.

And if I explained my thought process in great detail (not that I'd be able to), then what? "You're overly defensive and making much ado about a small comment!"

Also as vague as it gets. In other words: it reminded you of every werewolf player ever.

Not really, Nerwolf is clearly not the same as every werewolf player ever. If Lommy says something is terrible in her first post, it's okay. If you say it, I keep an eye on you. There are differences between players, and some things that I connect to your wolf self.

And with any luck, by that time half the village will be after the victim. Sound familiar?

Ahh you're talking about my or Nog's playing style?
Seriously, I can believe wolves have done that too, but I think it has more to do with individual players than their roles.

My dear Agan, if you do turn out innocent I will most certainly blame you for our loss– see my comments to Brinn yesterDay and then multiply them by ten. If you're both innocent, that would mean neither of you even has the excuse of having been manipulated by a wolf!

Which is worse, being wrong because of skilful wolf manipulation or being wrong of one's own accord? I don't think there's really a difference. And you can blame me all you want, I hold to my opinion that you look the most suspicious of us.
Anyway using the same logic I could say I'll blame you if you're innocent; why did you have to look so wolfish that Shasta got a free pass through the last days? However if you're innocent and we lose this game, I'd rather not blame anyone... It'd just be damn good playing on Shasta's part rather than bad playing from any of us. At least that's what I'd prefer to think.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Haven't I already said I disagree with this? If I haven't, then I should have - you can't ask us to take on faith what you "would do if" you were a wolf.

Yes you have and I know that anyway. This time I said it just to contrast Nerwen's point about me repeating bad voting is good voting and the other way round.

[Aganzir]

I'm going to busy myself with this soon so just in case...

++Nerwen

[Thinlómien]

Back here, friendses. Will do some rereading...

Out of curiousity: Shasta, which one do you suspect?