WW LXXVII: The Metamorphs of Wolf-562-e

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Seeing that Eomer looked to me like the one dropping Seer hints, the thought that Para could have been doing so never crossed my mind.

And you drew attention to those, too.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Bah, do I want to even bother trying to catch up to Lottie's post count?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

And you drew attention to those, too.

True enough. But who could possibly have missed them?

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Shasta

But you specifically said that she "wasn't really that suspicious", so I'm not seeing why you decided to vote for her. And saying that since you voted a Morph instead of the Seer, you're innocent, doesn't work because neither BG nor Sally's roles were known at the time.

Well I had been planning to vote for BG, cause her vote did look suspicious, but then she explained, I understood and had no back up and like 20 minutes to choose someone. Sally also had a weird vote, and I wouldn't have voted for her if I had had anyone else to vote for, but I was not going to jump on a bandwaggon that I didn't agree with. My point is that, yeah we didn't know the roles at the time, but I still had the best vote! And that's really frustrating, cause I think the BG voters should be looking way worse, since the girl was clearly just confused and her explanation made sense, but a bunch of people were jumping on her without really taking the time to try and understand what she was saying, it was a bad bandwaggon, and it sucks that me being a part of it may have actually made me look better than me voting a wolf!

K. I'm done for real this time. My Day 1 votes just always come back to bite me no matter what, and it's driving me nuts.



I hadn't thought of modfire for Mira's death, I guess that does make the most sense.

I'm going to go back and re-read the last page from Day 1, cause to me people who voted BG look bad and I want to see which of them looks worse. Then maybe I'll make a list.

[wilwarin538]

Votes from yesterDay:

Lottie –> Pitchwife
Blind Guardian –> Lottie
Isabellkya –> Blind Guardian
Shasta –> Blind Guardian (2)
Paranoia -> Blind Guardian (3)
Inziladun -> Blind Guardian (4)
Wilwarin -> Sally

Okee. So even though Lottie didn't vote for BG I think she looks pretty bad, cause she really pushed that bandwaggon. Izzy started it, but I don't think she looks as bad for it because it was the first vote and the reason made sense to her. Kind of the same for Shasta, though I don't like the way they both continued to pounce on BG. I mean I know it all happened in like 20 minutes, and that's not a lot of time to consider things, but still, I was able to figure it out in less time. Paranoia came in and did his (right?) own analysis of the situation and then voted, but pretty much just followed what other's were saying, so he makes me uneasy too . Inzil popped in and bandwaggoned, which everyone seems ok with, but I don't like it, he had been suspicious of Eomer and yeah he said BG's vote was poor, but then he disappeared for the next 20 minutes, and just popped in to vote without trying to get in on the discussion going on then or trying to help everyone figure out what BG was trying to say. I really dislike that.

So basically everyone who voted yesterday looks bad to me. In order of how bad they look: Inzil, Lottie, Shasta, Para, Izzy.

So a list then? Mostly based off of Day 1. After I post this I'll take a closer look at today to see if anything changes my mind on anyone.

Inziladun – do not like. Vote was bad, and his convenient disappearing act for the last 20 minutes bugs me to no end.

Paranoia – don't like vote yesterDay, at all.

Pitchwife – uhm, no real opinion at the moment, will get back to him after reading through today.

Loslote – I really don't like the way she kept going after BG, even though she didn't vote for her I see her as being instrumental in the whole bandwaggoning process, and to me it just seemed like she was set on getting her lynched and wasn't really willing to try and understand what BG was explaining.

Isabellkya – first to vote for BG, but at that point she had a good reason too, since BG hadn't come on to explain her mistake by that point. Her continuing to go after her still urks me, but I think that was more her standing by her vote rather then trying to get other people to follow it.

Shasta – kind of similar to Izzy, but he seemed to latch on to something promising and really role with it more then she did.

That whole bandwaggon was because people didn't feel like taking a second and comparing the two lists, I did, and I very quickly understood what she had been saying, I'm sure other's would have as well. Shasta, Para and Inzil especially had the oppurtunity to really look into it, and none of them really seemed to want to (except maybe Para a bit since he did repost BG's list, but certainly Inzil didn't try)

wintywinty – no oppinion.

Rikae - fine with.

So at this point I'd be willing to vote for Inzil, Lottie or Shasta.

Now I'll look closer at today.

x'ed with Pitch and Inzil

[wilwarin538]

Things I found interesting, and why:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Triple post, page four, and I'd like to add:
that BG-wagon yesterDay was terrible and an example of Day one stupidity at its worst. I know, I didn't vote, it's easy for me to say - but for crying out loud, voting for someone because of such an obvious bit of sloppiness? Does anyone here actually think a wolf would do that, unless an experienced and tricksy enough wolf to do it as a "no wolf would be so careless" bluff? I'm going to have to look more closely at that wagon - though I understand innocents can sometimes commit such egregious
DAY ONE FAILS too. Don't worry, folks, if you're innocent, you have nothing to fear.

I like this. Even though she is suspecting me for my vote (when she said herself that Sally's vote was indeed out of character), I'm ok with her right now.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

(and I happen to know that Vanessa's a very ebullient personality <3)

I had to google that word. But thanks. <3

Originally Posted by Loslote

(I wonder how many stuff we can stick onto Wilwa's name? )

Vanilordoinnawesomuffin. A lot.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

No, I fully understand your reason, and agree what BG did there would have looked rather wolvish to me as well at the time. But voting her right away without giving her a chance to explain herself?

And I'm not saying that we should concentrate on the BG voters exclusively and ignore everybody else. Like Rikae said, innocents can make bad votes too. But I wouldn't bet that there was no morph at all in that wagon. And given that votes are the best evidence we get in WW, along with the Night-kills, pretending it never happened or blaming it all on BG herself is going to accomplish zip.

I like all of this too. And I think I'm ok with Pitch.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

You listed it yourself. BG listed Loslote as 'relatively innocent' in #69. Three posts later, she voted for Loslote. I don't see that as a possible 'noobish' mistake; more akin to noobish wolf yes. In a span of three posts, you somehow forget who you think is innocent, and who is suspicious? Her explanation for how Loslote ended up in that category.. was rather lackluster - not that it entirely mattered at that point.

It seems like you don't fully comprehend my reasons for voting for BG and the implications. If someone makes a mistake like she did - it implies her list of suspicions was fabricated. She did copy it from Loslote. Who would need a fabricated list? Innocent's don't. But metamorphs do.

Bolded part: It still bugs me that some people don't understand that she put her in the wrong category by accident (exclamation marks people, that totally gave away that she had done it on accident). To me it's obvious. BG made a mistake, people pounced on it, and when she tried to explain it they didn't want to take the time to understand, and just kept pushing.

Underlined part: No, not true. I think she was heading out at the time? So she saw someone had made a list and in order to be sure she didn't forget anyone's name, and because there would already be a format, she just copy and pasted it and then rearranged the names, and did it to save time (and goofed). I've done it before (as an innocent, as a gifted, as a wolf, as an everything I'm sure), it's a time saver, not a sign of guilt.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Except that my vote X'ed with Izzy's.

I had not noticed the crosspost. I suppose that makes you look a bit better.

edit: x'ed with Pitch x 2

[Pitchwife]

Bedtime, and voting time.

++Paranoia

If you're wondering why, you haven't read my posts toDay. I'm not comfortable with voting him before he's had a chance to respond, but given our different time zones, it can't be helped. He looks like the most suspicious of the BG voters to me, and I'm not that confident about voting anybody else. And if he's indeed a morph, he's a dangerous one, so get rid of him NOW.

Good Night, and may the Great Bird of the Galaxy bless your planet.

[wilwarin538]

Ok, so I'm going to sleep early since I work in the morning.

I'm not going to vote for Inzil, because I have the feeling no one will go along with that. Ditto for Lottie and Shasta. So I'll go with my fourth option, though I wasn't originally planning on voting him, I'm willing to since I do find him suspicious and I'd rather not waste my vote toDay.

++Paranoia

Good night, and good luck!

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Inzil popped in and bandwaggoned, which everyone seems ok with, but I don't like it, he had been suspicious of Eomer and yeah he said BG's vote was poor, but then he disappeared for the next 20 minutes, and just popped in to vote without trying to get in on the discussion going on then or trying to help everyone figure out what BG was trying to say. I really dislike that.

As I already said, I spent the time in between trying to make up my mind about BG. There was no point in questioning her: others were already asking what I would have. When it came to DL I had to decide between her or Sally. Since I saw no chance of getting Sally lynched, I went ahead with BG. I still feel that your making a throwaway vote like you did looks worse than the BG voters.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Bedtime, and voting time.

++Paranoia

If you're wondering why, you haven't read my posts toDay. I'm not comfortable with voting him before he's had a chance to respond, but given our different time zones, it can't be helped. He looks like the most suspicious of the BG voters to me, and I'm not that confident about voting anybody else. And if he's indeed a morph, he's a dangerous one, so get rid of him NOW.

Para, hmm? To me he's really an enigma rather than suspicious, and I really would like to hear what he has to say before I'd consider voting him.

x/d with Wilwa. Bandwagon, anyone?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

(so I take it that her earlier 'voting an innocent' was not referring to BG's list?)

No, it was referring to my innocence.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

#67 Lottie votes me for 'feeling off' = being Mr Agreeable. (How come I 'feel off' for that when I'm suspected for it in every other game?) Her preceding list had me under 'squeamish' and wilwa under 'most suspicious', but her attitude here looks confident and ready to defend her vote (which I'd like to see her do!), therefore rather innocentish.

You were feeling a bit off yesterDay. That's cleared up now, though - you are certainly not acting like Mr. Agreeable this game.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

And you had to repair the water leak because our Chief Engineer Lottie well, might have made it worse.

Might have? There is a question?

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Bedtime, and voting time.

[*highlight]++Paranoia[/highlight]

If you're wondering why, you haven't read my posts toDay. I'm not comfortable with voting him before he's had a chance to respond, but given our different time zones, it can't be helped. He looks like the most suspicious of the BG voters to me, and I'm not that confident about voting anybody else. And if he's indeed a morph, he's a dangerous one, so get rid of him NOW.

Good Night, and may the Great Bird of the Galaxy bless your planet.

I really want to wait for Noia to respond, and even when he does, I don't think I'll be voting for him toDay.

EDIT: Xed -