WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by phantom

Greenie- your theory about Boro pointing to me as Hera has two major flaws.

I'll start with the obvious one- I'm not Hera. Now, you may say he is the false Seer and spotted me as Hera, or that I am lying, but that's where flaw number two comes in- the flaw that is the most obvious and provable to the rest of the village-

Boro himself negated the idea.

Boro made a point of saying that his "allied with Zeus" comment was a mistake (he had thought of Zeus as being allied with the good guys), plus he said later not to bother looking at the "Zeus" parts of his statement, as those parts were not important to his intentions.

I gave those quotes and examined them in my first post today if you'd like to read them.

Weren't you supposed to go to bed?

I did read those quotes. But 1) I stated, quite clearly I think, that the theory was "The first thing that popped into my mind upon finding out that Boro was one of the Seers", and at that point I didn't remember those quotes (and even after reading them I wanted to share what my initial thought was) 2) I'm not entirely convinced that he couldn't have negated the idea because of some scheme or other, 3) having once in my life created a theory of some kind I wanted to share it , 4) I thought the way you nicely skipped the idea that Boro was hinting at you was fishy, and 5) I wanted to see how you react to me presenting such a theory. Enough?


EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen

[A Little Green]

Just to finish commenting on stuff people said yesterDay after I went to sleep.

Originally Posted by Nog, about Nerwen

Also, if she is a wolf I doubt Rikae or/and Mac is one. And that would give us one or two people we could more or less trust, at least in the first Days.

Could you explain this? I don't follow your logic I'm afraid.

Originally Posted by Lottie

I really want Tum lynched; I'm fairly sure she's a wolf.

Originally Posted by Lottie

I want Mac lynched; he seems furry.

Do you have reasons for these, or are they just gut-feelings? The following is what I found for your suspicion of Mac:

Originally Posted by Lottie

Mac - feels slightly off in all his posts, and isn't really making many helpful posts. Might vote for him.

I don't like that logic (insofar as saying someone is "feeling slightly off" includes a logic), especially as I think it appeared only after I voiced some suspicion about Mac. The same goes for Nog, actually - the way he jumped on my suspicion of Mac was fishy and quite uncharacteristical of him. (Usually he doesn't trust a word I say!) It made me think worse of him and better of Mac, actually.


EDIT: x-ed with phantom and 2x Lal

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Lal

Greenie, like you I was unimpressed by the BG voters - to me she was newbie-ish, not wolf-ish - but but there were seven of them and they can't all be wolves. It was an easy first-day option for innocents and wolves alike, I guess.

I know. The thing is, such easy bandwagons are tricky just because they are an easy option for an innocent, and a nice hiding-place for a wolf. Also, they are unlikely to catch us a wolf. While I know that the chances of catching a wolf on Day 1 are very slim, I'd prefer that it was at least tried.

Originally Posted by Lal

In other news, I think these 7am (GMT) deadlines are going to be difficult for the handful of us on this side of the Atlantic. Most of the discussion/events of the Day seem to happen after we vote and go to bed...

Yeah, it's annoying. The DL is 9 am for me, which is pretty much the worst possible. Possibly, later on in the game, I'll try going to bed really early and then getting up around six to play for the last minutes (after reading a host of pages first).


EDIT: x-ed with phantom

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by phantom

Up until this comment you were doing just fine, but this statement makes me suspect you're pushing a bit.

How can you possibly say I SKIPPED it when I fully examined his first post and his mention of me right from the beginning? Did you read my post? I said quite clearly that it was time to examine who he dreamed of, and stated that I am the only person mentioned in his first post, and then proceeded to quote his first post as well as two other statements he made regarding that post. I did not skip his mention of me. Not by a long shot, and you implying that I did seems like you're just trying to stir something up.

The fact is, given what he said in the post and his explanations about the post later he was definitely not giving a remotely clear idea of affiliation, and so I said so and moved on.

Awh, apparently "skipped" was the wrong choice of words. What I meant was not that you deliberately failed to mention Boro's mention of you (which you didn't do, which anyone who is able to read could see easily enough, so trying to mislead people by that would be pretty stupid). What I meant was simply that you discarded the possibility rather easily. You had an argument for it, I grant you (the fact that Boro himself denied any hint in those words about you and Zeus), but I'm not entirely conviced by it. Just for the record, though, I'm not entirely convinced about my own theory, either.

Originally Posted by phantom

In a later post he mentions you, saying, "Greenie looks more or less ok". That statement I actually did skip. Why aren't you accusing me of skipping that quote?

Because a) I didn't remember the existence of that quote, and b) I don't think it's very relevant if the issue is who Boro might have dreamed of. I mean, who would make a seer hint and say someone looks more or less ok? Just asking.


EDIT: x.ed with Nerwen and phantom

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I suppose he means that Mac was after me, and Rikae defending Mac... but that's weirdly naive reasoning, from an experienced player.

I agree - especially given that you, Mac and Rikae are the sort of players who would have no problem with openly accusing or defending their mates, and Nog knows this well enough. Hmm. He baffles me a lot, but I'm not sure if it's because he's evil. After all, he was staying up until 9 am (weirdo!) which might explain some of the strange reasoning, and after all there are many roles in this game that might cause someone to act strangely.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Ah, Phantom is still here, sorry for implying you were European.

Also, I am still here.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Just to finish commenting on stuff people said yesterDay after I went to sleep.

Could you explain this? I don't follow your logic I'm afraid.

I suppose he means that Mac was after me, and Rikae defending Mac... but that's weirdly naive reasoning, from an experienced player.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Also, I am still here.

But wait, aren't you Austrian?
*snicker*

[satansaloser2005]

Announcement: THIS WAS TO BE POSTED YESTERDAY. I was having trouble with my nets and (as mentioned) was exhausted, so when the net died again after I voted I just went to sleep. However, I don't think it'd be fair to not share my thoughts, even though they've obviously changed. I have to go to work now, so I won't be able to update a lot, but these were my feelings as of my vote time yesterDay. It's not all that much, but it's unedited and straight from my Word. Have at it. (Oh, and I'l be back in a few hours to creep while I'm at lunch, hopefully.)

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I think he meant that in that case the pantom would be on the "good" side as opposed to being Hera. Then again, we're the Olympians- there is no good or evil, only us. But you're right. Zeus would rather have Hera live than the rest of us, even she is on the opposite side.

edit: x-ed with Foley. And I like that spelling mistake, so I'm not going to change it.

That freaking made my day. ^_^

Originally Posted by Rikae

Also, Boro is acting weird. I think he must have a special role of some kind. Loslote, too. And especially Nerwen, Wilwa, Eonwe and BeiGe. Phantom, however, just seems like a clueless ordo.

Erm, sweetie, everyone has a special role of some kind. I don’t know, but I found this statement a bit weird. (But Phantom, clueless? Obviously.)

Originally Posted by Folwren

I am under the distinct impression that everyone in this game has some sort of 'special role'.

I suggest that we NOT lynch Phantom, as he has not said anything remarkably ridiculous this game. There are much better candidates for killing so far.

And once more, I am uncertain of people's playing styles, but I don't understand why one would let the first thing out of their mouth be, "Frankly, I'd rather just lynch the seer." It might just be your style, Rikae, but it sounds rather dangerous to me.

It’s Rikae. She always does that. *pets her* Well Phantom will always at one point or another come up with something “remarkably ridiculous” as you put it. But yeah, I’m not wanting to lynch him toDay. At the moment he seems like scheming Phantom, not scheming wolftom.

Also, yay Foley! *squishes you*

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Well, Wilwa's post was at least an attempt at clarification so thanks for that. I have no idea what Sally's on about though - what's this plethora of ordness of which you speak?

Nothing. I just know that there are ordos (or close enough to them) because I am one and I’m not the ordo.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Ok, so I've been thinking about this for a while now, but I can't really think of a good solution:

What do we do if a Seer reveals?

What we normally do. We see if their dreams are legit (unless they say they’ve dreamt the false seer, of course) and if they are, we at least leave them alive. If their dreams are false, however, we’ll....well, we’ll have to cross that bloody bridge when we come to it, I suppose.

I really don’t want a seer reveal this game. It’d make my head asplode. >.<

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

She's not here. I say in these cases just count the vote since the voter doesn't have a chance to correct it.

I’m glad the mod god has your support in his decision. Heh. That’s Glirdan’s decision, but thanks for the input.

Actually, I bring this up because I think it’s interesting that she supports Steve’s lynch so....I don’t know, heartily? *blinks* Not the word I was looking for, but I’m really sleepy so it’ll do. (Grar, sleep deprivation.) Anyway, she’s asserting her opinion here, which....whatever, but the way she says it makes me think there’s another motivation for making Foley’s vote count.

Here’s a thought. I’m typing this without net so I’m not sure it’s relevant, but did Foley say she was going to be gone? Because if not, how did BG know? Iiiinteresting. (Just a thought. Meh.)

Originally Posted by Boromir88

May we put a freeze on posts for about an hour so I can keep up? Yeesh.

THIS.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Well, if we'll be able to tell when the cursed is turned, we can always lynch Eonwe - though "Dionysus poisoned me" reads to me like "I had too much to drink."

Either or. *snerk* The thing is, why would the cursed run around parading themselves? They’ve got a better chance of winning with the village than they do if they’re turned, so I don’t think it would be very prudent for the cursed to run a streak around the place calling out their role. Or is it just me? *blinks* I don’t know, but I think there’s something else going on there. (Either that or Steve’s just being silly.) I’m of course all for the wolf playing cobbler (or vice versa) theory, but if Steve is cursed I don’t understand why he’d act like this (unless he wants to be lynched before he’s even turned). Regular wolf who’s cursed hunting, sure, but cursed no.

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

I've drinken and I'm not 16. It's where I get my good looks from. Though I'm not French. Though I wouldn't drink that much, true. Dionyses doesn't have a lover. So is Eönwë hinting that he's Dionyses?

Xed with everyone since 134

So I have to ask the inevitable (if a bit rude, for which I apologize) question. You’ve been reading and that’s all you have to say?



Crackpot theory of the Day? I’m rather convinced that BG is a wolf who is trying to sacrifice either an innocent Steve or has picked up on a cobbler Steve. (By the way, if it’s the second one, the last post I quoted was a really poor ploy, but I know she’s new so I’m considering it a definite possibility.) First she weighs in on whether or not Foley’s vote should count (which itself isn’t weird, but her tone seems off to me) and then she makes this completely random post about drinking and being French (dude, someone translate that for me please....Dun?) and blah blah that ends with Steve being Dionysus. Which doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. But I think BG is making very little sense and either trying to hint back to her wolves, trying to get her cobbler deaded (which makes the most sense to me), or just taking somebody down to save her own furry little skin. Either way, a wolf she is, a wolf she be, she looks just like a wolf to me.

[Macalaure]

Don't they teach little seers in elementary school not to make jokes about seers in their first post? Now Boro is dead.

I had a look at his posts. I agree with phantom that Boro probably didn't try to hint us his alignment. (Unless he dreamt of him, found him a non-wolf, and fooled around with him a little to try to guess whether the role he dreamt of was correct.) His hint to Keeper is strange. There's a ton of things he could have thought she was and I don't understand how he got to suspect any of them. I don't think he tried to hint an Eonwe-wolf to us. Other than the -4-comment he only mentioned him once, telling us that we're talking about him enough. Now, if I knew the identity of a wolf, that's not what I'd tell people to do.

[Lalaith]

Mytho Mith (again, same reason) picks Agan. Does she become the false seer or another true seer?

Yes I wondered that too. Also, if a Lover is picked, do they become a menage a trois?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

That in turn would mean that there should have been a clear enough seer-hint with clear enough guilt shown for someone who actually is a wolf. Which would actually be Eonwë There would go my theory of him being Dionysos which I have to admit I rather like still - and actually (and hopefully) he was the false seer, so it is still possible I'm right with Eonwë. But that we shall not know until later.

See my post here for why I don't think Boro dreamed a wolf. (Although, note that this is all according to my logic, and Boro, clearly, has his own.)

Originally Posted by Nogrod

The other thing is, were the wolves killing him because of the seer hints? I mean now after the fact it's more or less easy to say "ahh, right youy are, he was hinting to be the seer!", but I must admit at least I missed them completely yesterDay.

Okay... I thought they were pretty much impossible to miss yesterDay; I thought he was probably bluffing, though.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

On another issue. I still think my theory about Eonwë is quite plausible, whatever you say. The rules say only: There is no remark on any loyalties he should or should not have and thus leaves it quite open for Dionysos to choose himself his loyalties (we don't know what Glirdan wrote in his role-PM to him of course).

Now knowing how so many people think that playing a wolf is the coolest thing one can do in Werewolf it's not that far-fetched to think someone being the cursed - and knowing it - would really desire for actually getting to be a wolf.

Well, some people do play it like that– Agan did when she was a Cursed who knew her role, ages ago. An awfully risky tactic though. I'm not sure I'd try it.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Third one. It was not so much reasoning in any strong sense but a feeling that was based on few things. With Mac it was more or less not so much him suspecting Nerwen but Nerwen's attack on him that made me think they probably are not on the same side (cannot be proved and wolves can do that, to be sure)

I presume this is what you're talking about? I happen to know it isn't wolf-on-wolf, but even I can see how it could easily look that way. It's fairly cautious and lukewarm, whereas Mac's attack on me was a good deal more definite.

I'm not sure what I'm getting at here... maybe just that you seem to be interpreting everything in the exact opposite way to me.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

her excellent pick on Nerwen trying to influence the ideas of Zeus' alignments

Mind jogging my memory as to what my fiendish goal was at that point?

Originally Posted by Eönwë

So, are you saying that as a wolf you'd rather kill the seer than leave one of your own to get killed so early on?

Because Boro basically voted for me for no reason, so obviously if the wolves killed him it would point straight to me. Wouldn't that be more than a little risky?

Don't be silly, Steve. A dreamed wolf has to be written off anyway– and I think most packs would consider it worth the risk.

Ha, that's such a dodgy argument! Maybe I should be worried about you after all...

[Folwren]

Greetings, all. sorry I'm late. I'm not even here now, really. Just for like two minutes.

I will be on again in approximately 3 hours, at which time, I will try to read everything and post something of substance.

For now, I will say that I read most of what went on yesterday and I'd like to say that it was really ... not smart to kill BeiGei. Just sayin'. You all could have gone for someone who was at least remotely guilty.

That being said, I will depart. During the few minutes I have left right now, I will read and prolly not post again until a little later this afternoon.

--Foley

P.S. Sorry about not highlighting my vote yesterday, Mr. Mod. and fellow players. I'd neglected to notice that it was highlighted in the discussion thread. I just remembered from way back when where all that was needed was a seperate line, two plus signs, and bolded lettering. whoops.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Folwren

For now, I will say that I read most of what went on yesterday and I'd like to say that it was really ... not smart to kill BeiGei. Just sayin'. You all could have gone for someone who was at least remotely guilty.

Did you miss the part where she was shifty and rather nonsensical? :eyeroll:

In other news, don't worry about the vote. Happens to the best of us.


I don't want to go back to work. But I must. I'll be back in a few hours.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Greenie

apparently "skipped" was the wrong choice of words... What I meant was simply that you discarded the possibility rather easily.

Ah, well then, all I can say to that is that I was attempting to examine Boro's posts fully and accurately. As you said yourself, "You had an argument for it, I grant you". Given the direct quotes the case seemed rather clear cut to me, so yes, I discarded it quite easily. You can say you're not entirely convinced by Boro's explanations about his first post (which is what my entire position is based upon), but if you're not going to believe what Boro said, why in the world would you suspect someone based upon his words?

And you needn't have answered my comment about what Boro said regarding you. I was just being petty and sarcastic. I thought it appropriate since I knew coming into the game you were wondering if, after meeting me in RL, you would find me more or less tolerable.

Okay... I think I'm feeling tired enough to fall asleep now. See you in about five hours.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by phantom

You can say you're not entirely convinced by Boro's explanations about his first post (which is what my entire position is based upon), but if you're not going to believe what Boro said, why in the world would you suspect someone based upon his words?

Where, in any of my posts, can you see me actually suspecting someone based upon Boro's words?

Originally Posted by phantom

And you needn't have answered my comment about what Boro said regarding you. I was just being petty and sarcastic. I thought it appropriate since I knew coming into the game you were wondering if, after meeting me in RL, you would find me more or less tolerable.

So you decided to make sure it would be less? Great logic, dear.

[Lalaith]

Oh, I just wanted to remind everyone, in case they had forgotten, that today the Mythomane comes into play. Potentially. Although given the number of gifteds in this game, the chance of him/her picking something that makes a difference is pretty high.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote;If we lynch [B

Tum[/B], I would be very very happy. If we lynch Nog, I would be nearly as happy. If we lynch Mac, I would not argue against this. If we lynch anyone else, I would headdesk.

So why's that then? I mean....have I missed something?

Originally Posted by the phantom

Well, one lover down, one Seer down.

This particular phrasing makes me think one word. WOLF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

However, I like how he looks at Boro and his....stuff. (It's early. Hush.)

Originally Posted by the phantom

There. I've done my Boro read-through. Now can I finally go to bed?

Snerk.

Originally Posted by the phantom

But wait, aren't you Austrian?
*snicker*

See the last post I quoted. Fool child.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Oh, I just wanted to remind everyone, in case they had forgotten, that today the Mythomane comes into play. Potentially. Although given the number of gifteds in this game, the chance of him/her picking something that makes a difference is pretty high.

Wait. Isn't it toMorrow? Like they pick toNight and change toMorrow? Sorry, I guess I'll have to check the rules (again) to be sure.

Also, here's a question (that I'll copy paste over to the admin thread). Let's say Boro was the true seer. Let's also say that Agan (picking her for obvious reasons, since she's not playing or anything) is the false seer. Mytho Mith (again, same reason) picks Agan. Does she become the false seer or another true seer? I assume the former, but that's not really fair to the village. *pouts* I'm confuzzled, and I miss my Boro.

[Nogrod]

What a Day1! I think it was worth every minute. Heh, the more I play, the more I seem to begin liking that kind of involved Day1's. There should be leads enough to make some fairly decent observations from toDay (I'll try to occupy myself with that later on).

Just a few quick ones for now.

So why did the wolves go for Boro? The most straightforward explanation would be that he hit a nerve and the wolves had to act immediately. The problem with seer-hints - from the wolf-perspective - is that you can't ignore them even if you know killing that person might disrepute one or more of you, if the one posing as the seer has it right, that is.

That in turn would mean that there should have been a clear enough seer-hint with clear enough guilt shown for someone who actually is a wolf. Which would actually be Eonwë There would go my theory of him being Dionysos which I have to admit I rather like still - and actually (and hopefully) he was the false seer, so it is still possible I'm right with Eonwë. But that we shall not know until later.

The other thing is, were the wolves killing him because of the seer hints? I mean now after the fact it's more or less easy to say "ahh, right youy are, he was hinting to be the seer!", but I must admit at least I missed them completely yesterDay. It's also possible they killed him just because they knew he can be very good and he was fairly well trusted (at least not suspected enough to get easily lynched)?


On another issue. I still think my theory about Eonwë is quite plausible, whatever you say. The rules say only:

Dionysus is the Cursed. If the Wolves choose to Night kill him, he will join their ranks.

There is no remark on any loyalties he should or should not have and thus leaves it quite open for Dionysos to choose himself his loyalties (we don't know what Glirdan wrote in his role-PM to him of course).

Now knowing how so many people think that playing a wolf is the coolest thing one can do in Werewolf it's not that far-fetched to think someone being the cursed - and knowing it - would really desire for actually getting to be a wolf. That's why I agree with Rikae that the cursed should not know he is a cursed as it kind of makes him quite easily a cobbleresque-character not having the best of the village in mind but his own wolf-carreer in mind. That's why I said it is a problem with the rules.


Third one.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I suppose he means that Mac was after me, and Rikae defending Mac... but that's weirdly naive reasoning, from an experienced player.

It was not so much reasoning in any strong sense but a feeling that was based on few things. With Mac it was more or less not so much him suspecting Nerwen but Nerwen's attack on him that made me think they probably are not on the same side (cannot be proved and wolves can do that, to be sure), with Rikae it was the fact that I generally started to think her more innocent than not as the Day grew older, her excellent pick on Nerwen trying to influence the ideas of Zeus' alignments and the general feeling between Rikae and Mac not actually knowing each other's role (=not wolves then, at least the two of them). Therefore - mind you - I only said we could "more or less" trust, at least "a few Days".


Back to other things later on...

[Inziladun]

Well, interesting stuff. Boro's Seer hints appear to have gotten more overt late in the Day, yet he still wasn't throwing a great deal of suspicion on anyone.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Eonwe and Lalaith feel a little less good, Eonwe's been talked enough and Lalaith, while I feel the most wary about her clinging to my Zeus post for her vote. It's too crappy of a feeling to vote for her, 'specially since she's this is her first time back in a while. Need more time on her.

Puts Lal and steve basically in the same category, looking "less good", but not very pointed toward either.

Which makes the sudden vote for Eönwë, and his reasoning for it, a little jarring.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I said Blind was about a 5 on the scale of 1 to 10. Eonwe's looking like a "neg" 4, so

++Eonwe

"'Neg' 4"? Meaning not at all valuable to the village. It's at odds with what Boro said previously. I have to think if Eönwë had been Boro's dream he would have been more aggressive with his accusations, especially when there had already been some suspicion (and votes) for him. Yet we have the "Neg 4", which seems rather emphatic.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Do you have reasons for these, or are they just gut-feelings?

Lottie was pointing at tum yesterDay.

Originally Posted by Loslote

BeiGei voters - especially the later ones - really really need to be looked at toMorrow. I'd say most especially Tum, but that's just personal suspicion.

And kept it up toDay.

Originally Posted by Loslote

I want to see dead because they are evil, precious, evil:
Tum
Nog
Mac?

If we lynch Tum, I would be very very happy. If we lynch Nog, I would be nearly as happy. If we lynch Mac, I would not argue against this. If we lynch anyone else, I would headdesk.

I've only skimmed what happened after I went to bed Day 1, but if I'd been around, I probably would have voted for tum myself. I want to go back and look at what all she said.

x/d with Rikae x 3

[Kath]

Ok, final thoughts.

Mira - I don't really know. If Nerwen's a wolf I think Mira more likely to be, but then she's most likely too good a player to leave such obvious trails. Not sure.

Inzil - just wondering about the choice of BG over Mac. If that's explained well then I'm leaning innocent.

Nienna - was consistent but not so much involved. Not sure.

Nerwen - don't know. Avoiding the BG/Nog thing completely can equally be a sign of a confused innocent or an avoiding wolf. Nerwen I kind of doubt would be an avoiding wolf. I don't doubt she'd be a wolf masquerading as a confused innocent. Not sure about her. Would like to know her role as I find others dependent on it. But that's not a good enough reason for a lynch really.

Folwren - feels innocent. Could be tricksy and false. If a wolf then I think Nerwen innocent. Not sure.

Lalaith - somehow avoided all the hint talk that surrounded Boro/Nerwen/Eonwe. Interesting. A wolf with packmates avoiding it? Or had everyone decided hints meant nothing by now?

Greenie - could have been a wolf going after a beleaguered Mac. Could have been an innocent misunderstanding a Gifted way of playing. Not sure.

Shasta - nothing to go on there.

phantom - well I don't think he's Zeus. Not sure if he's a wolf.

sally - again another who got away with hints. Well, not so much hints as kind of announcing she has some kind of innocent role.

So:
I'd be interested to find out Nerwen's role because I think it will give out quite a lot of information. Lalaith I think could be wolvish. sally could easily be bluffing. Deeper looks at these three tomorrow.

And now to bed.

[Kath]

Oh and sally? Did your roles list about two posts further up.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Kath

Inzil - just wondering about the choice of BG over Mac. If that's explained well then I'm leaning innocent.

Busy, and about to walk out the door for a bit, but I thought I'd address this. As I said (once or twice ) Mac and I seem to have a history of suspecting one another from the start of every game. Because of that, I've become hesitant of voting for him early without more to go on.

[Nienna]

Sally, dear?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Kath

sally - again another who got away with hints. Well, not so much hints as kind of announcing she has some kind of innocent role.

But everyone has a role in this game, Kath.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

But everyone has a role in this game, Kath.

She said she though I had some kind of innocent role, not just a role in general.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Er... you call what he did "potential"?

Potentially (and in fact definitely) harmful, yes.


Nerwen, have you taken to not understanding/twisting words?

[the phantom]

Okay then, it may end up that I don't participate at all in the debate today. I'm RL socializing with Tum and Sally (no we're not discussing Werewolf Devin!), plus it's obvious who we're lynching today. If I'm still around tomorrow I'll try and do some good reading and extensive commentary and accusing etc.

And since everyone voting the same way is boring...

++ Sally

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Nerwen, have you taken to not understanding/twisting words?

No, have you? She said you "got away with hints" because you suggested you were an innocent gifted.

Originally Posted by Kath

sally - again another who got away with hints. Well, not so much hints as kind of announcing she has some kind of innocent role.

I was pointing out that that's not fair. It illustrates what I don't like about Kath's approach: she basically wasn't playing the first few Days, and now she's analysing early posts by just skimming and guessing at the context. Yes, I accept that it takes too long to read the whole thing, but I've just got to question how useful it is at all.

As a more general thing, I just don't like it– who does?– when submarine players finally surface late in the game, and then trade on how "clean" they've managed to keep themselves. And we've got a whole fleet of subs in this game (though what subs are doing on Mt Olympus is another matter).

EDIT:X'd with Nienna.