WW LXXX: It's About Time!

[Aganzir]

Inzil - looks like me so can't be evil. Oh wait he wasn't. Therefore, because I look like him, I can't be evil. On the contrary, I'm rather clever and might prove useful if we try to use the machine (oh where's Legate when you need him?).

Shasta - the first to post which is always a sign of wolfishness. Trying to butter Fea up, or alternatively wolfish banter.

Fea - also posts early which supports the theory of her and Shasta being wolves (they were obviously around just before the day started). Admits being a wolf, and based on past experience I'm inclined to believe her.

wilwa - either genuinely clueless or just bluffing when saying the only one who knew how to use the time machine is dead. I mean, how do you know Inzil didn't have very precise instructions written down somewhere?

Lottie - asks who wants to confess while totally ignoring the fact that Fea just did. Looks cobblerish behaviour to me. Also, who of us do you think is a super genius?

Boro - suggests we turn the time machine into a teleportation machine. And that way there's obviously no chance at all that we can go back and buy the movie rights. Wolf. His post about being a smelly armpit pickle is sure to contain secret hints, and I can only add "Yes, pickles smell fantastic, but when it comes to armpits, it depends."

Elf-Warrior - talks of other fandoms which means he can't care too much for Tolkien and doesn't therefore care whether the movies get made or not.

sally - gets the hint, which is always mighty suspicious.

Eomer - is sorry about Inzil's face. That means he's feeling guilty about it. Is very quick to defend himself and is jumpy before even accused.

Nerwen - talks about the machine being sabotaged which never occurred to me. Looks like a wolf who knows too much. However last time I played I made her mad and now I'm scared of her so I will refrain from suspecting her for now. Like, for this post.

Pitch - yay I get to play with him at last!

Greenie - as I said I think her posts look forced, as if she was just trying to look helpful without actually being.

skip - weird arguments, slightly suspicious.

GUILTY
Shasta
Fea
Boro
Eomer
Greenie
skip
Lottie (more likely the cobbler)
Elf-Warrior (more likely the cobbler)

INNOCENT
Nerwen

EITHER
wilwa
sally
Pitch

[skip spence]

Okay, I could easily lynch Agan for her poor taste in Swedish music. Or Eomer, because I'd never trust a man with a kilt (you know that whole underwear situation ). Or Fea, for wearing stilettos. No woman of honest intentions would do that. Or Greenie, for trying to make me fat. But somehow it doesn't seem fair...

So a kind request: could someone please do something suspicious before I get back from work? Okay?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Nerwen - talks about the machine being sabotaged which never occurred to me. Looks like a wolf who knows too much. However last time I played I made her mad and now I'm scared of her so I will refrain from suspecting her for now. Like, for this post.

That is all.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by skip spence

Or Fea, for wearing stilettos. No woman of honest intentions would do that.

I think you have the wrong word, darling. I have never been anything but completely honest about what I intend to do while wearing stilettos. I am very forthright.

Also, as a casual point to me being one of the first posters, you realize that the DL is at the exact time I'm most likely to be curled up in bed in my pajamas, cuddling my lap top every night? It's habitual. By around 8:30, I'm hanging out in bed doing schoolwork or messing around online, and my doggy conks out on the floor next to my bed. So yep, I'll probably be around at DL most of the time.

Agan, darling, I see what you've done there with your list of guilty and innocent. I'm amused. You seem to have left yourself off the list entirely. But then, you already said you were a wolf.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by skip spence

Okay, I could easily lynch Agan for her poor taste in Swedish music.

It was Lommy's fault! Last night I witnessed how her opinion on Army of Lovers changed from "they're horrible!" to "I can't stop watching this video!"

So a kind request: could someone please do something suspicious before I get back from work? Okay?

I'm a wolf rawrrr! Happy?
Seriously though, I really don't like it when people complain about no one acting suspiciously enough. Many people seem to find it more difficult to come up with suspicions when they're wolves themselves (I, however, am not one of those people - I always find suspecting others easy). It's just something I've seen.

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

So yep, I'll probably be around at DL most of the time.

Ahhaa the wolf is giving excuses for being online at deadline! Tsk tsk.

I'm amused. You seem to have left yourself off the list entirely.

I considered listing myself under the Innocent headline but figured my list would appear more objective if I didn't include myself, and because these are serious matters it's best not to play around too much.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Greenie

All right folks - just to be fair I think we could cut the inside jokes.

Why are you rubbing the back my head so evilly!?

Originally Posted by Agan

Shasta - the first to post which is always a sign of wolfishness. Trying to butter Fea up, or alternatively wolfish banter.

Shasta butters you up just by looking at you!

His post about being a smelly armpit pickle is sure to contain secret hints, and I can only add "Yes, pickles smell fantastic, but when it comes to armpits, it depends."

Armpits are ordinary (if shaved).
Pickles are ordinary food items.
My armpit pickle smells pleasant.
Get the hint now?

Originally Posted by Fea

Also, as a casual point to me being one of the first posters, you realize that the DL is at the exact time I'm most likely to be curled up in bed in my pajamas, cuddling my lap top every night? It's habitual. By around 8:30, I'm hanging out in bed doing schoolwork or messing around online, and my doggy conks out on the floor next to my bed. So yep, I'll probably be around at DL most of the time.

That is a rather...exhaustive...explanation if all you're saying is that you will probably be around at the DL most of the time.

Time for my own exhaustive explanation of how I went the wrong way. DL works more perfect than I thought. When our cracked professor gave the GMT time, I added 4 hours, thinking...shoot this is going to mean DL is 5 am for me, looks like somewhat early voting. However, I needed to subtract!

[skip spence]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I have never been anything but completely honest about what I intend to do while wearing stilettos.

Trying to walk relatively straight and upright? Or perhaps sitting down with the shoes in sight, preferably?

I am very forthright.

Yes, admitting to being a wolf is indeed very forthright, dear. Or did you think that would make us think that you are not?

Originally Posted by Agan

It was Lommy's fault! Last night I witnessed how her opinion on Army of Lovers changed from "they're horrible!" to "I can't stop watching this video!"

Yes, I'm sure you are just an innocent victim of circumstances beyond your control.

I'm a wolf rawrrr! Happy?

Yes. Two down, one to go.


Eomer's vote is interesting, kind of. Did seem like an innocentish reason, not saying the hunch is correct.

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

But remember, where there's life there's hope, and good thing we've got vittles.

Who exactly has got... vittles?

I'll go out for a bit soonish but should be back in maybe 4-6 hours!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by skip spence

Trying to walk relatively straight and upright? Or perhaps sitting down with the shoes in sight, preferably?

Sitting down. Some shoes are made for walking, and that's just what they do, but if you wear stilettos, they'll walk all over you... if you don't sit down. With the shoes in sight. Occasionally one can pull of standing around in a museum or gallery, or perhaps cocktail party, wherein one is not expected to walk a great deal and can concentrate fully on balance and posture.

Yes. Two down, one to go.

Ah, therein lies the rub. Who's the third? (And the first and second?)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

One of those reasons has got to be 'who but a wolf could fit thirty little green grapes in between their jaws!', right?

No?

Okay then.

Moving on.

Greenie has been really the only one to try and get things moving - I probably won't vote for her today. I could easily vote for Lottie, though - she's said next to nothing which is entirely unlike her.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Skip

Yes, admitting to being a wolf is indeed very forthright, dear. Or did you think that would make us think that you are not?

You are thinking too simplistically, my friend. If either of the parties claiming to be wolves are, in fact, wolves, it'd be more like a quadruple-bluff. At least. You see, it's not that saying "I'm a wolf" makes you look innocent because a wolf wouldn't say that. It's more like because everyone knows a wolf might say it as a double-bluff, but then again probably wouldn't, just because everyone knows about double-bluffing. Which once again gives the wolf a reason to say it. Etc, etc.

Mind you, no matter what stage of this infinite regression of bluffing we happen to be at, in the end a player is either a wolf or not.

EDIT:X'd with the fire of my heart.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

She for whom the moon doth shine, what dost thou think of Eomer's vote?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Armpits are ordinary (if shaved).
Pickles are ordinary food items.
My armpit pickle smells pleasant.
Get the hint now?

Boro's armpits last time I saw them = not shaved = not ordinary.
And some people find pickles extremely bad. Like Greenie (at least I seem to remember she didn't want to eat one so she gave it to me a few days ago). I think they're good though.
So yes I think I get the hint.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Fea and Agan have both confessed to being wolves, trusting that we'll dismiss that as inside jokes; shame on whoever thinks of signalling to the cobbler, I suppose?

Of course I can't speak for Fea, but what I'm doing (besides having fun) is making things more difficult for the cobbler. If everybody keeps telling they're wolves it will be more difficult for her to spot the real ones. Not that she's too likely to succeed in that, anyway, as she doesn't have a way to contact them in secret, but still.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Her post seemed the most obviously nice and 'let's get down to business'y - obviously something a wolf could do to look respectable and not overly jokey.

Actually, she's always more or less like that, and that's why I always suspect her. (Usually I turn out to be wrong.) But she's definitely one of the easier suspects...

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

But seriousness than. I think Eomer's vote is pretty good (not that I necessarily agree with it). But usually votes this early in the game are just random or based off some strange meta reasoning, but he actually had a legitimate reason, and I approve.

I don't think it was particularly good-looking because as I said Greenie's style makes her quite easy to suspect, but then I do acknowledge it's only day 1 and he had to vote early.

Though on Day 1s I tend to be more understanding of lack of suspicions (since sometimes not much happens), but Day 2 and on, it's definitely fishy if someone has no suspects.

Exactly. And it's not only the fact that he didn't have suspects but he was also kind of flaunting it - saying "please could you be more suspicious so I have an excuse to suspect you" is always very apologetic, as if he thinks if he's the first to point out he doesn't have suspects, others will not accuse him of it.
However I also came to think it might be the cobbler's hint to the wolves: "Could you do something to help me identify you? Pretty please?"

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

One of those reasons has got to be 'who but a wolf could fit thirty little green grapes in between their jaws!', right?

Now that you mention it, maybe, but I was rather thinking you might not want to hurt Peter Jackson (unless he wanted it).

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Agan

I don't really think we can avoid inside jokes. I mean, the whole Barrow-Downs is full of them, and naturally WWers have even more. Now it just happens that lots of people met each other in the summer which led to more jokes for the time being. I made inside jokes when I commented on you & skip's playing styles before you had even posted, only those are jokes everyone that has been playing WW potentially knows. And if there had been a newbie playing, I wouldn't have let it stop me doing it.

Of course we can't completely avoid inside jokes, they are bound to come up and it isn't a problem if they do, but I just think there were a little too many of them around and it wasn't really fair anymore.

Originally Posted by Wilwa

But seriousness than. I think Eomer's vote is pretty good (not that I necessarily agree with it). But usually votes this early in the game are just random or based off some strange meta reasoning, but he actually had a legitimate reason, and I approve.

Agreed, his vote looks reasonable.

Originally Posted by Agan, about Eomer's vote

I don't think it was particularly good-looking because as I said Greenie's style makes her quite easy to suspect, but then I do acknowledge it's only day 1 and he had to vote early.

Really? Generally I tend to get Night-killed for not being suspected by anyone at all. And seriously, I've never heard anyone say my style makes me an easy suspect. Therefore I'm not sure I buy your argument, either.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Greenie has been really the only one to try and get things moving - I probably won't vote for her today. I could easily vote for Lottie, though - she's said next to nothing which is entirely unlike her.

Ah, I disagree about both myself and Lottie. My effort at giving the village a nudge forwards was abysmal; and as for Lottie, well she admittedly hasn't said much on topic but who had, at the point when she posted? Why single her out? Is it that unusual for her to banter super early on Day 1 when nothing has really happened yet?

Just in general, then. I agree with Wilwa a lot and disagree with Agan a lot. Old news? Ploughing on, then - Pitch's post made me chuckle aloud at my screen, but apart from summarising everyone else's more or less unfruitful contributions to the game it didn't really say much. Eomer looks pretty innocentish. My hunch would say the same about Shasta, but then again I've long ago lost count of the times a Shastawolf has fooled me completely and I have sworn never to trust him again..

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Of course I can't speak for Fea, but what I'm doing (besides having fun) is making things more difficult for the cobbler. If everybody keeps telling they're wolves it will be more difficult for her to spot the real ones. Not that she's too likely to succeed in that, anyway, as she doesn't have a way to contact them in secret, but still.

Quite an interesting strategy, because from your first post I was going to ask if your putting in an application for cobblery. I didn't think about doing that.

In Fea's case, impossible to tell. Because just when I have the fortitude to declare, yep this time she's an ordo who's just attempting to entertain and have some fun, she winds up a wolf. In your case, you are looking innocent in comparison to Fea's "I have no clue." Also, you clearly want to take the lead in this game, which makes me smile, because if innocent this is good news for us, if a wolf, I will catch you slip soon enough and you know it.

My computer wants to go into update and run virus scan mode, it always starts up at around this time. It's going along very sluggishly, so for now will have to go into a sketchy, unlit corner, until it finishes.

Edit: crossed with Pitch and Greenie