WW LXXX: It's About Time!

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Armpits are ordinary (if shaved).
Pickles are ordinary food items.
My armpit pickle smells pleasant.
Get the hint now?

Boro's armpits last time I saw them = not shaved = not ordinary.
And some people find pickles extremely bad. Like Greenie (at least I seem to remember she didn't want to eat one so she gave it to me a few days ago). I think they're good though.
So yes I think I get the hint.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Fea and Agan have both confessed to being wolves, trusting that we'll dismiss that as inside jokes; shame on whoever thinks of signalling to the cobbler, I suppose?

Of course I can't speak for Fea, but what I'm doing (besides having fun) is making things more difficult for the cobbler. If everybody keeps telling they're wolves it will be more difficult for her to spot the real ones. Not that she's too likely to succeed in that, anyway, as she doesn't have a way to contact them in secret, but still.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Her post seemed the most obviously nice and 'let's get down to business'y - obviously something a wolf could do to look respectable and not overly jokey.

Actually, she's always more or less like that, and that's why I always suspect her. (Usually I turn out to be wrong.) But she's definitely one of the easier suspects...

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

But seriousness than. I think Eomer's vote is pretty good (not that I necessarily agree with it). But usually votes this early in the game are just random or based off some strange meta reasoning, but he actually had a legitimate reason, and I approve.

I don't think it was particularly good-looking because as I said Greenie's style makes her quite easy to suspect, but then I do acknowledge it's only day 1 and he had to vote early.

Though on Day 1s I tend to be more understanding of lack of suspicions (since sometimes not much happens), but Day 2 and on, it's definitely fishy if someone has no suspects.

Exactly. And it's not only the fact that he didn't have suspects but he was also kind of flaunting it - saying "please could you be more suspicious so I have an excuse to suspect you" is always very apologetic, as if he thinks if he's the first to point out he doesn't have suspects, others will not accuse him of it.
However I also came to think it might be the cobbler's hint to the wolves: "Could you do something to help me identify you? Pretty please?"

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

One of those reasons has got to be 'who but a wolf could fit thirty little green grapes in between their jaws!', right?

Now that you mention it, maybe, but I was rather thinking you might not want to hurt Peter Jackson (unless he wanted it).

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Agan

I don't really think we can avoid inside jokes. I mean, the whole Barrow-Downs is full of them, and naturally WWers have even more. Now it just happens that lots of people met each other in the summer which led to more jokes for the time being. I made inside jokes when I commented on you & skip's playing styles before you had even posted, only those are jokes everyone that has been playing WW potentially knows. And if there had been a newbie playing, I wouldn't have let it stop me doing it.

Of course we can't completely avoid inside jokes, they are bound to come up and it isn't a problem if they do, but I just think there were a little too many of them around and it wasn't really fair anymore.

Originally Posted by Wilwa

But seriousness than. I think Eomer's vote is pretty good (not that I necessarily agree with it). But usually votes this early in the game are just random or based off some strange meta reasoning, but he actually had a legitimate reason, and I approve.

Agreed, his vote looks reasonable.

Originally Posted by Agan, about Eomer's vote

I don't think it was particularly good-looking because as I said Greenie's style makes her quite easy to suspect, but then I do acknowledge it's only day 1 and he had to vote early.

Really? Generally I tend to get Night-killed for not being suspected by anyone at all. And seriously, I've never heard anyone say my style makes me an easy suspect. Therefore I'm not sure I buy your argument, either.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Greenie has been really the only one to try and get things moving - I probably won't vote for her today. I could easily vote for Lottie, though - she's said next to nothing which is entirely unlike her.

Ah, I disagree about both myself and Lottie. My effort at giving the village a nudge forwards was abysmal; and as for Lottie, well she admittedly hasn't said much on topic but who had, at the point when she posted? Why single her out? Is it that unusual for her to banter super early on Day 1 when nothing has really happened yet?

Just in general, then. I agree with Wilwa a lot and disagree with Agan a lot. Old news? Ploughing on, then - Pitch's post made me chuckle aloud at my screen, but apart from summarising everyone else's more or less unfruitful contributions to the game it didn't really say much. Eomer looks pretty innocentish. My hunch would say the same about Shasta, but then again I've long ago lost count of the times a Shastawolf has fooled me completely and I have sworn never to trust him again..

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Agreed, his vote looks reasonable.

Wait, he votes for you and you call it reasonable?

Really? Generally I tend to get Night-killed for not being suspected by anyone at all.

It's ages since I've played actively but last time I participated in a game, Lottie was after you all the time. Plus I'm always suspicious of you. But now that you said it I do remember your getting night-killed pretty often, too. It's just that because you're one of my most common suspects, I automatically assume everyone else finds you fishy as well, but because I'm wrong about you most of the time I get suspicious when others suspect you. If you know what I mean.

Ah, I disagree about both myself and Lottie.

Me too. I am of the opinion my contributions were much more substantial than Greenie's.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Pitch

On the other hand, I'm still worrying about those possibly multiple-bluffing "I'm-a-wolf" jokes by Fea and Agan

Just to make sure you know - the "I'm-a-wolf" jokes are another inside joke.

Originally Posted by Agan

Wait, he votes for you and you call it reasonable?

Yes, I do. He gave reasons for his vote that looked sound from his perspective.

Originally Posted by Agan

I am of the opinion my contributions were much more substantial than Greenie's.

Oh really? Four posts that consist mainly of the infamous inside jokes. I can definitely see what you mean.

Anyway, it's my bedtime about now (I have to get up ridiculously early for work), which means, obviously, that I need to vote in a bit.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Of course I can't speak for Fea, but what I'm doing (besides having fun) is making things more difficult for the cobbler. If everybody keeps telling they're wolves it will be more difficult for her to spot the real ones. Not that she's too likely to succeed in that, anyway, as she doesn't have a way to contact them in secret, but still.

Quite an interesting strategy, because from your first post I was going to ask if your putting in an application for cobblery. I didn't think about doing that.

In Fea's case, impossible to tell. Because just when I have the fortitude to declare, yep this time she's an ordo who's just attempting to entertain and have some fun, she winds up a wolf. In your case, you are looking innocent in comparison to Fea's "I have no clue." Also, you clearly want to take the lead in this game, which makes me smile, because if innocent this is good news for us, if a wolf, I will catch you slip soon enough and you know it.

My computer wants to go into update and run virus scan mode, it always starts up at around this time. It's going along very sluggishly, so for now will have to go into a sketchy, unlit corner, until it finishes.

Edit: crossed with Pitch and Greenie

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Agan

Of course I can't speak for Fea, but what I'm doing (besides having fun) is making things more difficult for the cobbler. If everybody keeps telling they're wolves it will be more difficult for her to spot the real ones. Not that she's too likely to succeed in that, anyway, as she doesn't have a way to contact them in secret, but still.

I see. Next thing you're probably going to suggest we all confess to be wolves and lynch those who don't, right?
I'm not sure I'm convinced by that explanation - sorry, but I've become a little paranoid about that kind of over-obvious jokes; you can blame our resident expert on multiple bluffing (aka Nerwen) for that (*cough Yay!Go wolves! cough*).

Originally Posted by Greenie

Ah, I disagree about both myself and Lottie. My effort at giving the village a nudge forwards was abysmal; and as for Lottie, well she admittedly hasn't said much on topic but who had, at the point when she posted? Why single her out? Is it that unusual for her to banter super early on Day 1 when nothing has really happened yet?

No, that's not at all unusual, but in the past she's quite often actively nudged the game out of the banter phase into some serious discussion, hence my comment about her being untypically non-pot-stirring this time. However, she said on the Admin thread that she'd have limited time for participation, so that's nowhere near voteworthy for me.

(x-ed since #40)

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Just to make sure you know - the "I'm-a-wolf" jokes are another inside joke.

I supposed as much, and a lot of people playing in this game would know that and therefore dismiss them as being exactly that; which is why it could be a safe way of hinting to the cobbler, couldn't it?

[Aganzir]

Mmm yerba-mate.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I see. Next thing you're probably going to suggest we all confess to be wolves and lynch those who don't, right?
I'm not sure I'm convinced by that explanation - sorry, but I've become a little paranoid about that kind of over-obvious jokes;

Hahaha no, but if I had actually ended up suggesting something like that, I would've kept pursuing it and possibly even semi-suspected people who refused to do it. Sometimes I'm stubborn like that.

I usually like to adopt a role or two on day 1 if I'm an ordo. At times I keep making seerish comments (because it's better if the wolves think I'm the seer and attack me. It's actually quite funny that I should think so because I'm not a huge fan of gifteds) and sometimes it's nice to be the cobbler. I might get more serious when the game moves on, or I might not. I don't really know what kind of me is the most annoying to play with.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I supposed as much, and a lot of people playing in this game would know that and therefore dismiss them as being exactly that; which is why it could be a safe way of hinting to the cobbler, couldn't it?

As far as you can say there exists any way a wolf could drop hints to the cobbler safely. Even if it seems like a joke, it's bound to draw attention - especially if you do it early on day 1 when you know there's very little actual substance yet and people go after anything that's even mildly suspicious. If I was a wolf I wouldn't want to risk getting suspected for leaving hints to the cobbler, simply because I don't think the cobbler is worth it. She's just one more player and doesn't have any special ability. (However I could say I'm a wolf even if I actually were one, just for the fun of it - but I can also do it as an innocent.) In any case, I think you're making the issue sound bigger than it actually is. It's fine if you want to suspect us because we revealed as wolves, but it's a strain to keep claiming we did it because we wanted to alert the cobbler. Of course I don't know about Fea's motives, but I simply don't think it would be worth it.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Eh? Count your percentages again, will you, dear? You will find that half the village aren't actually wolves.

It makes perfect sense - if the answer can only be yes or no, there's obviously a 50% chance for each! ;-)

Check your watch, girl, it's bed-time here!

My watch clearly says it's tea-time.

[Pitchwife]

Anybody who consumes mate at this time of day must preparing for Nightly activities. Highly suspicious!

For me, it's time to prepare for my rendezvous with the bedbugs, so...

Kidding aside, Agan's posts apart from the early joke thing look fair enough - active and speaking her mind, as far as I can tell. Same for Greenie's later posts since her comeback.
The only other person who has really stuck out for me toDay is Fea, and at the moment it looks like she'll get my vote. Never mind the cobbler-hint theory, but she's made three rather conspicuous posts which are so content-free and studiedly inscrutable that she might as well be a submarine; plus she elaborately explained her early posting (in reaction to Agan's 'suspicion', which didn't look very serious to me), which seems over-defensive. So that's my best bet for toDay:

++Fea

Good Night.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

And there was no song, I miss Lottiepop's songs. She should do this one.

When I get the chance, I will.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Ah, I disagree about both myself and Lottie. My effort at giving the village a nudge forwards was abysmal; and as for Lottie, well she admittedly hasn't said much on topic but who had, at the point when she posted? Why single her out? Is it that unusual for her to banter super early on Day 1 when nothing has really happened yet?

Only when there are people around to banter with.

Agan, Greenie, Boro, Pitchie, and Sally look pretty normal. No one else jumped out at me as noteworthy...my joke about voting Zil is beginning to look more plausible.

Other than that, I don't have much to say, and I have to go soon. I'll be back in a couple hours or so.

[satansaloser2005]

Aaaand I'm back! My internet is being rubbish but I'll read up the best I can and be back soon.



ETA: x'd with Agan. Thanks, love. I was at work, by the way.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Anybody who consumes mate at this time of day must preparing for Nightly activities. Highly suspicious!

Interestingly enough, I became really tired. Now I'm probably just going to vote and when I go to bed I'll lie there staring at the roof, my mind racing. (If that happens I'll probably just come back. )

Anyway even though we've managed to avoid the quiet/loud discussion thus far, I'm going to throw in my two cents.

This is a small village. It means it's going to be much quieter than in the bigger games. While it makes it easier to pay attention to everybody, it also means we run out of loud players faster. I seem to remember talking to some of you about why I don't like quiet players, but to recap: it's unfair to everybody. I've been innocent in a game where a quiet wolf led the wolves to victory because no one paid attention to them, but I've also been a wolf in a game where the seer who had barely 10 posts on day 4 outed half my pack, myself included. Not fun. Thus, in lack of a real suspect, I think I'm going to vote for either sally or EW.

I'm too lazy to make a real list, but I'm going to keep an eye on our European males (Pitch, skip, Eomer, and yes I think you can count Greenie among them ). I'm not entirely happy about what is possibly going to turn into a Feawagon because 1) it's day 1 and 2) she's Fea, so it's pretty much impossible to tell her role so early. Personally I just don't see saying "I'm a wolf!" as a sufficient reason to lynch somebody.

++sally

Sorry hun but I know I'm going to get frustrated later on if you top the post count with half your posts being jokes.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

The only other person who has really stuck out for me toDay is Fea

You say 'toDay' like I don't stand out all the time. Saying that I stand out is like saying that my name is Fea. We already know this to be true.

Originally Posted by Pitch

she's made three rather conspicuous posts which are so content-free and studiedly inscrutable

Just because you can't read the alphabet doesn't mean those squiggly lines and dots don't tell a story, dear. I've already determined the trustworthiness of at least one player based on those three conspicuous posts. And I say trustworthiness in a, "Yes I said I'm a wolf, but only because being an ordo is boring," sort of way. I have no proof, but I have a conditional hunch.

Originally Posted by Pitch

plus she elaborately explained her early posting (in reaction to Agan's 'suspicion', which didn't look very serious to me), which seems over-defensive.

I'm not over-defensive, I'm just elaborate. You can really expect nothing else of somebody that's so well known for being 'The Beautiful Lady Without Mercy' that I was granted a second personal title just to broadcast it to people who might not have gotten the original memo.

I mean really, dear, saying I stand out is like calling the sky blue and pretending that's abnormal.

Still, I'm going to reserve the right not to fault you for it.

My list currently looks like

Probably Not Evil:

Pitch
Agan
Vanilwa
Boro

Everyone Else:

Probably Evil

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

On the other hand, I'm still worrying about those possibly multiple-bluffing "I'm-a-wolf" jokes by Fea and Agan

Either we're wolves or we aren't - there's a 50-50 chance!

This is some quiet village.

Yes but that was to be expected - after all we're only 13. Of course it's sometimes nice to play in a big and noisy village, but games this small are also really refreshing (and besides this is much better for my schedule, not the least because chances are good enough I'll be dead before I have to start playing a host).

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Quite an interesting strategy, because from your first post I was going to ask if your putting in an application for cobblery. I didn't think about doing that.

I'm so clever.

Also, you clearly want to take the lead in this game, which makes me smile, because if innocent this is good news for us, if a wolf, I will catch you slip soon enough and you know it.

No you won't! Whoops I mean...

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Just to make sure you know - the "I'm-a-wolf" jokes are another inside joke.

If it is, it should be one that most WWers share. Yes, it happened when we played real life werewolf, but it wasn't really anything new or unheard of. (However my apology for not showing up last night was a Geneva-related joke - one of the wolves apparently misread their role so there were only two of them.)

Yes, I do. He gave reasons for his vote that looked sound from his perspective.

When I'm innocent, I always get wary of people who suspect me. Why? Because I know for sure they're suspecting an innocent. It's all the information I have so it's all I can base my own thoughts and suspicions on. You have to start from somewhere, and it's easier to use the things you actually know as a basis.

I'm not too worried about Fea at the moment (I'll start paying closer attention to her when she starts paying closer attention to the game, that is on day 2). I'm slightly concerned about skip and Eomer, but I'd rather wait and see (at least a few hours ) because my points against them aren't very big. I'm torn about Greenie but that's nothing unusual. And I'd like to see sally and EW post more. The rest of you haven't really left an impression.

Tea-time!

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Pitch

No, that's not at all unusual, but in the past she's quite often actively nudged the game out of the banter phase into some serious discussion, hence my comment about her being untypically non-pot-stirring this time. However, she said on the Admin thread that she'd have limited time for participation, so that's nowhere near voteworthy for me.

All right. I can see now, I think, where Shasta was coming from.. But then again, Lottie's only posts are really ridiculously early, so not nudging the game on at that time seems pretty natural.

Originally Posted by Agan

Either we're wolves or we aren't - there's a 50-50 chance!

Eh? Count your percentages again, will you, dear? You will find that half the village aren't actually wolves.

Originally Posted by Agan

When I'm innocent, I always get wary of people who suspect me. Why? Because I know for sure they're suspecting an innocent. It's all the information I have so it's all I can base my own thoughts and suspicions on. You have to start from somewhere, and it's easier to use the things you actually know as a basis.

I can see your point, though I don't necessarily think that way myself. I get wary of people suspecting me if their arguments are far-fetched; but generally I'm more suspicious of people who are pronouncedly trying to get in my good books.

Originally Posted by Agan

Tea-time!

Check your watch, girl, it's bed-time here!

EDIT: x-ed with Pitch

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Pitch

I supposed as much, and a lot of people playing in this game would know that and therefore dismiss them as being exactly that; which is why it could be a safe way of hinting to the cobbler, couldn't it?

Ah. I see what you mean.

Also, it's more than about time I went to bed (my alarm clock will go off in too few hours), so I'll vote

++ Fea

Since I really don't suspect anyone more than I suspect everyone, I'm going after someone who has
a) posted many times (including after the full banter-phase ended) and hardly any of it on topic or non-joking - I know what her views on the importance of Day 1s are but still
b) a smug tone (yeah I know she always does)
and c) confessed to being a wolf. Now I know it could well be just innocent Fea joking about what she did in Genevamoot, but it just struck me that while I'm not sure that particular joke would have occurred to an innocent Fea, I'm pretty sure it would have to a Feawolf.

I'm not sure if I'm making sense, but regardless of that, I need to be off to bed now. Sweet dreams!

[Aganzir]

So a kind request: could someone please do something suspicious before I get back from work? Okay?

I already talked about this, but I think it would be quite a convenient hint from the cobbler to the wolves.

On day 1, he votes for EW who had made one post so far, saying the timing and phrasing of the post looked sinister.

There's something potentially euphemistic about that phrase. Possibly veiled wolfish banter. Only one way to find out

I know I'm not the best person to talk about day 1 voting, but I think there's a difference between voting more or less randomly and voting for somebody who has only made one IC post & trying to give actual reasons for the vote. The vote makes skip almost certainly not a wolf (it would be quite a bold move to vote for a fellow like that), but I think it looks much more sinister than EW's first post. Poor skip if he's the cobbler, it must have been horrible for him to start a bandwagon against a wolf and have to worry about the wolves attacking him after it...

His 124 is an analysis on day 1's voting, and he seems rather careful not to have too strong opinions on anybody. He semi-defends Greenie and flip-flops on Fea (questioning her lack of mentioning self-defense when she voted for EW). His conclusion is that wilwa and sally look more suspicious for defending EW. Quite understandable but I can but disagree with him - if they were wolves, would they really have tried to stop him getting lynched?

Then there's some theoretical stuff about the EW lynch, and he attempts to explain some comments of his that didn't really make sense. He's been kind of sloppy with the stuff he says, anyway, being often quite ambiguous. I still don't know what he meant when he said he doesn't trust Eomer in any way.

On day 2, he considers voting Pitch (to introduce a new candidate besides Lottie, wilwa and sally), wilwa or sally. He says I'm clearly evil but adds he isn't sure my role in this game is evil. That's a weird comment, it could be put down on flattery (he knows how I like being evil) but there's also something tentative about it, as if he was trying to drop a hint to me... Kind of acknowledging "I think you're evil but let's keep it a secret between the two of us".

He jumps on Eomer's point about Lottie being quiet, pointing out that she's really different from the previous time he played with her. I might add that last (and only) time I played with Lottie she was all over the place and really confident - and she was a sheriff who could share her opinions with her fellow sheriff. Skip played in that game. I expect a player's ordo (or alone working gifted) behaviour to be the norm, and assume Lottie isn't so certain about people's roles in every game she plays... So it seems skip is accusing her of "being normal", if you know what I mean.

Then he votes for wilwa, saying he feels bad about jumping on a bandwagon but wants to "trust his original impression". So, what was this original impression? And what the heck is this comment about?

Good night and may a lucky star shine on us!

ps. you know who I mean by us!

On to day 3... His reaction to my vote for him is weird if he's the cobbler, arguing there's no sense in voting for the cobbler because she can be both harmful and useful to the wolves. If he's the cobbler, one would expect he actually wants to get lynched. Although hmm, arguing so doesn't really tell anything about his role because if he consented to die without a fight, it would be too obvious he was the cobbler and there are probably still some people around who think killing the cobbler is far from being a priority.

It might...

Again. What?
He adds it's much more important for the wolves not to kill the cobbler than it is for the villagers to find her. Trying to drop hints to the wolves again: "Hey it's important you guys don't kill me!"?

He suggests there were no wolves in the wilwagon because it would've been convenient for the wolves just to sit back without getting their hands dirty. Nerwen, Greenie and skip himself voted for her. By then, his pattern of voting the same way as Greenie had already come into being. Also, he and Nerwen had had the short exchange about keeping the cobbler alive (see above). It's possible he thought he had hit both the remaining wolves... Because it really seems like a stretch to say the wolves would behave in a certain way in a certain situation. Way too simple. Okay, we already know Greenie was innocent, and I feel rather good about Nerwen too, but the way skip put forth his theory really looks like he had a hidden agenda.
He analyses the votes that came after his vote for wilwa but doesn't reach any definite conclusions: everything could go either this way or that. He ends up following Greenie's example and votes for sally.

Today he opposes lynching the cobbler. Yes, of course it's better if we catch a wolf, but even the cobbler is enough, and if we have a strong hunch about the cobbler, I think we should go for it (surprise anybody?).

2) You don't know I'm the cobbler

Is this supposed to mean "You don't know that I'm the cobbler" or "You don't know if I'm the cobbler"?
Plus what he said to Nerwen. He looks like the cobbler who thinks he's found a wolf and tries to signal to her.

Seriously though, don't lynch me, I'd do you no good. And I tell you this much: I wouldn't lynch you.

no time for this cobbler-bickering I'm afraid. Not that I'm overly interested in it either

If you're innocent, you should try to convince me it's a bad idea to lynch you instead of just ignoring me. Seriously.

I'm going to have a break now but will check in every now and then. I seriously consider voting for skip spence at this point, unless I get a better idea.

[skip spence]

Originally Posted by Agan

His conclusion is that wilwa and sally look more suspicious for defending EW. Quite understandable but I can but disagree with him - if they were wolves, would they really have tried to stop him getting lynched?

In retrospect I agree. Voting Wilwa was a proven mistake and I'm not really into lynching Sally either at this point.

he doesn't trust Eomer in any way.

Simple as. At that point I didn't trust him at all. Without saying that I suspected him in any particular way either.

He says I'm clearly evil but adds he isn't sure my role in this game is evil. That's a weird comment, it could be put down on flattery (he knows how I like being evil)

It was flattery alright and I'm also flattered by your long and interesting analysis. But I feel that you are baiting me (and although I'm dying to respond in like fashion) I'm not falling for it.

There are two wolves out there and I'm not one of them. Don't think Agan is one either.

[skip spence]

Okay, I'm going out for a few hours now. Will almost certainly be back. Be cool now!

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by skip spence

But I feel that you are baiting me (and although I'm dying to respond in like fashion) I'm not falling for it.

I am not. I don't expect your reply to be as lengthy as my analysis of you, but you got to face it, you look very much like the cobbler. If you're innocent, you're harming us by refusing to answer to my points against you & trying to make me look like I was making a mountain out of a molehill. Was there nothing you'd like to clarify, or did I get everything right and you're now trying to hush it down?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Interesting analysis, Agan. One of the best I've read in a while. Doesn't mean you're right or wrong, mind; I just enjoyed the style.

My problem, which I've been struggling with for a couple of hours, is that I suspect Loslote more, but fully expect there to be more support for lynching Sally (I'm talking about my two main suspects here).

Still, in my opinion, Loslote deserves to die. She made, to my mind, a vague gifted hint to make critics (skip & myself) back off - to back off from fairly legitimate questioning of her playing style, may I add. A style which seems to have changed since then (as the village has grown smaller and her role thus more prominent, I will concede).

She obviously survived this gifted hint.

She then made another vague gifted hint, saying that she was a thousand times more sure of my guilt than Aganzir's (that could be a paraphrase but those were basically the words). If she says that about any other villager, I'm voting for him/her, because that looks seerish to me. However, I'm in the privileged position of knowing that she is either making absurd claims about a blind guess, or actually lying.

Because of the stakes, I think she's lying. That's why she gets my vote.

But I do guess that Sally's the other wolf.

++LOSLOTE

And now bedtime.

[Aganzir]

If Eomer is a wolf, why did Fea die instead of Lottie or sally? Especially Lottie has been pretty hard on him... And I imagine the wolves would like to get rid of a possible seer even if it incriminated one of them.

Votes:
(Pitch - most likely no vote)
Eomer - Lottie