Werewolf LXXXIII: The Nightmare on the East Road

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Simple. Because of how explicit it was, Inzil. I believe I just said that.

Well, I'd say this:

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Oh well, have to leave now. I'll vote Aganzir simply due to the fact that she's posted so much when there's nothing to talk about yet. Trying to muddy the waters, obviously. Guilty as sin.

++ AGANZIR

is pretty explicit as well. Why would they believe Nog over that if Agan was a wolf, especially when Nog also said:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If Agan is the cobbler - as I think she is - then this will tell us a lot toMorrow.

So wilwa and Pitchie are wolves together?

If Aganwolf sees that, why should she worry about Nog being the Seer?

[Loslote]

I wouldn't think Nog would be the Night-kill (and TBW). My guess would be someone quieter, like Form, Elfie, or Kath, or who voted earlier, like Eomer or Volo. Of those, Eomer makes the most sense to me, with Form and Elfie right behind him.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Eomer said nothing of worth all yesterDay and gave no real reasons for his vote - look at the post you quoted yourself. Eomer voted Agan for talking a lot. Nogrod, on the other hand, had reasons that he talked about at length.

My treasure, Nog was very specific about Agan being a cobbler (which, incidentally wouldn't greatly surprise me). So, if anything, this hypothetical attack on a Nogwight would point away from Agan as a wolf, wouldn't it?

Here's a general observation: I said it didn't surprise me that the BW was the hot topic on Day One. However, it's also true that when there's a werebear in the village, the folk most eager to discuss it tend to be the cobbler, the wolves and, oddly enough, quite often the bear as well. I bet Mr Goatleaf wasn't the only baddie in the thik of it yesterDay.

EDIT:X'd since Shasta.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I don't remember just now why Lottie didn't want Glirdan lynched.

I didn't think he was a wolf. He did not strike me as acting particularly like the Glirdwolf I've played with before, so I didn't suspect him. I had a worse feeling about Agan than Glirdy.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

My treasure, Nog was very specific about Agan being a cobbler (which, incidentally wouldn't greatly surprise me). So, if anything, this hypothetical attack on a Nogwight would point away from Agan as a wolf, wouldn't it?

Here's a general observation: I said it didn't surprise me that the BW was the hot topic on Day One. However, it's also true that when there's a werebear in the village, the folk most eager to discuss it tend to be the cobbler, the wolves and, oddly enough, quite often the bear as well. I bet Mr Goatleaf wasn't the only baddie in the thik of it yesterDay.

EDIT:X'd since Shasta.

My light, I see your point - if Agan is a wolf, she'd know that Nog couldn't be the Seer. However, the theory I was following was that the wolves attacked Nog because he was sure that Agan was a cobbler. The point I made about Agan (and Pitch and Greenie and Wilwa) was just an aside that popped into my head as I perused Nog's post. I think my theory still stands, though, doesn't it?

Anyway, I should move on to Assumption 2 - that the wolves attacked someone who would leave no trace (not an uncommon first night kill for wolves in this day and age). I'll look in on that once I've had a shower, but for a start, the names that come to mind off the top of my head are Eomer, Sally, Kath, and Form.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Tired!Sally is tired, and needs to sleep so she doesn't continue to have a cold, plus she has to not be all dead and stuff at work. And she doesn't want to waste her 4000th post telling y'all this. She promises she'll be around this weekend.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

My light, I see your point - if Agan is a wolf, she'd know that Nog couldn't be the Seer. However, the theory I was following was that the wolves attacked Nog because he was sure that Agan was a cobbler. The point I made about Agan (and Pitch and Greenie and Wilwa) was just an aside that popped into my head as I perused Nog's post. I think my theory still stands, though, doesn't it?

When you put it like that, it makes sense.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Anyway, I should move on to Assumption 2 - that the wolves attacked someone who would leave no trace (not an uncommon first night kill for wolves in this day and age). I'll look in on that once I've had a shower, but for a start, the names that come to mind off the top of my head are Eomer, Sally, Kath, and Form.

Would Eomer really count as a no-trace kill, though?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

When you put it like that, it makes sense.


Would Eomer really count as a no-trace kill, though?

As far as I can tell, Eomer didn't say anything of substance (like I said earlier). He voted Agan for talking a lot. He's probably on the lower side of 'likely', regarding that list, but I'd still put him there, myself.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

However, the theory I was following was that the wolves attacked Nog because he was sure that Agan was a cobbler.

This makes a lot more sense than what I thought you meant.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Would Eomer really count as a no-trace kill, though?

He hasn't really said much, plus he could well be a potential Seer candidate. I think he's a likely candidate - but, like I said earlier, I'd suggest looking for wolves toDay and letting TB hunt TBW, given the suggestions we come up with.

EDIT: xed with Shasta and fixed coding

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Lottie

He hasn't really said much, plus he could well be a potential Seer candidate. I think he's a likely candidate - but, like I said earlier, I'd suggest looking for wolves toDay and letting TB hunt TBW, given the suggestions we come up with.

How are we supposed to come up with suggestions for Tom Bombadil if we shouldn't look for the Barrow-Wight? You're amusing, Little Lottie.

But really, knowing that the wolves attacked the Wight Night 1 is actually a pretty big piece of information for us. I don't see why we shouldn't pursue it.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

And as I said once, I'm merely following an assumption - that the wolves thought Nog was the Seer and went after him, exposing a Nog-wight. Assumptions are, obviously, not something to base a case on, so I believe the one tying up discussion and making things into what they aren't is you, Inzil.

It isn't impossible that you're right. What I don't understand is why you seemingly homed in on Nog without apparently looking at anyone else as a potential wolf-target. I looked as though you weren't willing to consider any other possibility.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Anyway, I should move on to Assumption 2 - that the wolves attacked someone who would leave no trace (not an uncommon first night kill for wolves in this day and age). I'll look in on that once I've had a shower, but for a start, the names that come to mind off the top of my head are Eomer, Sally, Kath, and Form.

So, which of your Assumptions do you think more likely? That the wolves went after Nog thinking he might be the Seer, or that they wanted a trailless kill?

[A Little Green]

Here for a minute before dashing off to a meeting - back for another while later on. In other words, I'm really busy today but will do what I can.

Originally Posted by Inzil, about Form's vote

My sole observation is that I'd wonder why "entertaining" trumps "useful" when considering a lynch.

My thoughts exactly. Actually, I'd love good healthy explanations from both Eomer and Form concerning their votes. Generally I'm disinclined to trust people who don't seem to put an effort into their lynch vote, since for an innocent it is the only way of eventually winning the game. For a wolf it's not that crucial - at least not unless their own or their fellow's life is at stake. (And no, "It was Day 1" does not count as an answer.)

Originally Posted by Lottie

I'd suggest looking for wolves toDay and letting TB hunt TBW, given the suggestions we come up with.

Originally Posted by Lottie

I didn't mean we shouldn't pursue it, I meant we shouldn't make that the focus of our lynch. It is a huge bit of information, and we shouldn't ignore it, but TBW can't actually kill any of us, so I think we should try to lynch a wolf, not TBW.

We certainly shouldn't make the BW our focus, but discussing who the wolves might have pursued who could also be the BW can help us to information about the wolves, and that is why it is such a big question.

Other than that, I'm quite at a loss with why Nog calling Agan a cobbler makes it probable Aganwolf and her pack would think him the Seer who had dreamed her.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

My thoughts exactly. Actually, I'd love good healthy explanations from both Eomer and Form concerning their votes. Generally I'm disinclined to trust people who don't seem to put an effort into their lynch vote, since for an innocent it is the only way of eventually winning the game. For a wolf it's not that crucial - at least not unless their own or their fellow's life is at stake. (And no, "It was Day 1" does not count as an answer.)

Speaking for myself, I was first to vote and there had been no useful discussion. That's how it goes on Day One. I'm afraid that this justifies my vote entirely, despite how much it displeases you.

Had I been able to stay later I could have made a more reasonable vote.

Now it's Day Two, and now there is no excuse for a lazy vote, but I can't see how you can criticise my vote yesterday.

Formendacil, on the other hand, simply effuses lycanthropy.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Pitch

Yes!, and I think we've covered that rather extensively, not to mention it's been stated over-explicitely in the rules, so I marvel how an innocent Agan seriously couldn't have got it.

What exactly makes it difficult to believe an innocent could have misinterpreted the rules?

Originally Posted by Shasta

I'm pulling a Lottie here and saying that people saying other people's votes for them "don't make sense" reeks of baddie-ism.

What doesn't make sense in sally's vote is her attitude, "Agan might do that as a baddie, ergo, she's a baddie."

And then. How come certain people are suddenly all convinced I'm the cobbler and look like they weren't considering any other alternatives? I suggested two things. On day 1, when there had been little serious discussion. The first was an idea I truly believed would help us, the second something that occurred to me and which I thought good to throw out in the open. Has it ever occurred to you that I might have been trying to help instead of distracting us from finding the wolves? Some people find it way too easy to dismiss the latter option. After I'm dead, I'd suggest taking a close look at Nog, and to a lesser extent also Nerwen. It'd be extremely convenient for the wolves or the real Ferny to get someone lynched, her only crime being talking too much.

Originally Posted by Shasta

How likely it is that an Aganwolf would have gone after Nog (expecting that Nog-Seer would die, of course) knowing that his death would point to her is debatable, however.

She could have. Better get rid of a suspected seer (even if doing so implicates you - you can always argue it was a framing attempt) before they manage to cause any serious damage.

Originally Posted by Nog

I'm afraid that depends on how valuable they think the BW's "help" to them is --- If we get one wolf like toDay and another one is getting lots of suspicion as well they might try to turn our eyes towards the BW...

What do you mean? That they'll try to make us concentrate on finding the BW rather than a wolf? (I am asking this because to me it would've seemed more logical to replace "our" with "their", but Nog doesn't naturally need to answer my question because I'm obviously just diverting his attention away from the wolves.)
Also, if the wolves & the BW can't win together, I doubt they find her help worth much. They know her identity now which means they can reveal it whenever they wish, so if the BW wants to have a chance to win, I'd assume it's in her interests to try to be nice to the wolves and hope we bandwagon against them when they've already logged out.

Originally Posted by Nog

If there is even one reasonable wolf in the pack, they'd know better than to think me the seer.

Because you called someone who's not a wolf the cobbler, you can't be the seer?
There's something awfully off about Nog's seer rant (and him in general), and while it might be only because it was late/he was drunk , I'm currently toying with the idea that he's our Ferny. That would explain his excessive attack against me yesterday and now his worry about being considered the seer (which, to me, sounds much more like the cobbler's plea "Hey wolves I'm like seriously not the seer, don't eat me!" than the real seer trying to maintain his "dum dee dum I'm not the seer" facade. Just because it would be idiotic of the seer to attack a non-dreamed of person like that.)

Originally Posted by Nog

I'm not too optimistic about the wolves' willingness to throw the BW under the bus in any near future unless we can really pressure them.

You mean like this: "Hey wolves, the BW is certainly a bigger problem to you than to us, it's in your best interests to step out and tell us who it is (so Tom can take care of them and we can lynch you)!"?
If one of the wolves is under the risk of being lynched, I see no harm for them in revealing the BW. After all, she thwarted their first kill and is their worst rival for the title of the Lord of Night-Time Bree.

Originally Posted by Inzil

An easy vote for a wolf to have made, but at the same time I'd at least expect a wolf to qualify it with a "gut feeling", or something like it.

I seem to remember he did something similar last time I played, and he was a wolf - so I wouldn't put it past him. (Incidentally, it was your game.)

Originally Posted by Inzil

My sole observation is that I'd wonder why "entertaining" trumps "useful" when considering a lynch.

It struck me as something that might be a cobbler hint; "I want useful players out!" Not sure though.

Originally Posted by Shasta

knowing that the wolves attacked the Wight Night 1 is actually a pretty big piece of information for us. I don't see why we shouldn't pursue it.

As long as we don't know who the wolves are, we can't know who they could have attacked. Did they target the seer or a player deemed dangerous, did they want to leave no trails, or did they want to frame someone? When either a wolf or the BW is gone, we can go through the posts and see if the dead wolf seemed to know more about some player/if any player seemed to know more about the dead BW. But before that, I think it's a waste of time to try to draw any conclusions from the fact that the wolves attacked the BW last night, and I don't like how intent Shasta is on doing it.
(I like wilwa for saying about the same things.)

Originally Posted by Volo

I still find Aganzir suspicious.

Still? As far as I remember, you barely even mentioned me yesterday before voting for me.

Originally Posted by Volo

I don't know how much she has been talking about Cobblers in the recent games, but she seemed to react so happily to the notion that people should discuss Cobblers that it seemed, she was happy about it, because it would mean people would talk about her.

A lot. Usually it was only me saying "Hey guys, we shouldn't ignore the cobbler, I've won as a wolf because we could keep a known cobbler alive for days!" and then they just ignored me and the wolves won with the cobbler's help. This is the reason for my happiness.

Originally Posted by Volo

she did put out an unlikely strategy proposition which would require a lot of discussion

I didn't consider it an actual proposition but just an idea, and after Nerwen said (right after I had posted it) that she found it too complicated, I was like "Okay, we're not doing it then." What both you and Nog fail to mention is that I never pushed the idea - so you're only suspecting me for something that might have happened instead of what I actually did.

Originally Posted by Volo

Aganzir, I see as too sensible to put up such a strategy unless doing so on purpose.

Elaborate what you mean by this.

Originally Posted by Eomer

I was first to vote and there had been no useful discussion.

So you vote for the one who's trying to be useful? Tsk tsk.

Originally Posted by Inzil

Talking about Cobblers is not in itself an unusual act for Agan.

Why the rolleyes? :-p

Originally Posted by Eomer

I'll try the Shasta tactic of... Shasta tactic? Shastactic?

Shasticle's Shastactic. Oh boy, someone is popular.

[Volo]

Several comments yesterDay were based on misunderstandings, I hadn't expressed myself clearly enough. I'll open up on this later if I have the chance.

When going Day1 through in my head yesterday, I had a feeling that Nogrod was a Wolf. He seems to be more stressed and high strung in this game than in the games I played with him before. This might be due to completely unrelated reasons, but it feels as if he doesn't have a chance to relax from the game, i.e. he's also playing actively during the Nights. His first post toDay doesn't argue against this feeling. I would have thought him to post more than one things before going to sleep were he not active before the post as well.
Then again, he has not tried to hide his tenseness. A Wolf Nog I'd believe would choose his words better and read others' comments more closely, instead of being so aggressive.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

What I think of Volo? Well, he might be a total nut-head baddie trying to go with the "then going flow" - or then he is an ordo who thought I was the seer.

Hard to say, which one.

Seriously...

I doubt he is the BW. Even though, like Shasta pointed out - with partly faulty arguments, in my opinion - the Wolves might have thought Nog the Seer, on Night2 it is more likely for Wolves to pick out a target that leaves fewer traces. And there are plenty of such players around here now. Another argument against trying to kill Nog on Night2 is that it can be regarded unsporty. It's not a very strong argument, but it has been used.


I still find Aganzir suspicious. I don't know how much she has been talking about Cobblers in the recent games, but she seemed to react so happily to the notion that people should discuss Cobblers that it seemed, she was happy about it, because it would mean people would talk about her. And knowing Agan, that would certainly entertain her.
Also, what Nog mentioned yesterDay and which I mainly based my vote upon, is that she did put out an unlikely strategy proposition which would require a lot of discussion, both whether to accept the strategy, and after it has been accepted. I'm refering to the open vote for who should TB go after next Night. It would move away attention from the Dayly lynch-vote, which is, much more important. Aganzir, I see as too sensible to put up such a strategy unless doing so on purpose. And she definitely is bold enough to actively try moving the conversation into a foggy direction.


Shasta seems quite Innocent in his posts. The way he writes feels more genuine than when he was a Wolf. It may be due to the fact that he hasn't had the time to inspect the thread and formulate answers, but in any case, it feels less calculative than what he wrote as a Wolf.

[Formendacil]

So... I have this mysterious sense of deja vu as I write this... I seem to recall having a no-Nightkill-Day-2 before, with the depressing sense that it's almost Day 1 replayed.

It isn't, of course, since we have the vote record from yesterday. However, it lacks the other-sided corroboration provided by a Night Kill (grotesque as that corroboration might be). Obviously, this situation is different than whichever one sticks in my mind, insofar as it is because the BW is in play--in this case, the wolves were foiled not by the Ranger, but by someone whom they can tactfully leave alone to confuse the villagers--and the Gifteds--or towards whom they can help orchestrate a lynch. I feel like this will reveal a lot of information later, but is going to be of limited assistance right now.

I'm pretty much around until the deadline, but I'll be in and out as my interest and other goings-on dictate. I'm *supposed* to be doing homework readings all day...

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

My light, I see your point - if Agan is a wolf, she'd know that Nog couldn't be the Seer. However, the theory I was following was that the wolves attacked Nog because he was sure that Agan was a cobbler. The point I made about Agan (and Pitch and Greenie and Wilwa) was just an aside that popped into my head as I perused Nog's post. I think my theory still stands, though, doesn't it?

Anyway, I should move on to Assumption 2 - that the wolves attacked someone who would leave no trace (not an uncommon first night kill for wolves in this day and age). I'll look in on that once I've had a shower, but for a start, the names that come to mind off the top of my head are Eomer, Sally, Kath, and Form.

Regarding your first 'Assumption', I don't know why you seem to think that Nog is the only possible person that could have looked Seerish, but honestly I'm weary of pursuing the idea that Seer hints were the reason for their kill, because in trying to figure out who looked Seerish yesterDay, we could draw attention to the actual Seer. So I say we leave that one be.

So we could look at possible trailless kills, but Lottie has a point, this is a good lead but we still don't have a lot of information and if we start making all these assumptions we could get very side tracked with this BW business instead of looking for the wolves. And I don't see how figuring out who the kill was could possibly lead us to the wolves (maybe we could go the other way, when we know who a wolf is we could come back and then try to figure out the kill), so I say we let it be, put it on the list of info we have about the BW, and wait til we have more pieces. Going on about this could be a terrible waste of time, and if we follow the Seer hint track we could uncover the real one, which is bad. Tom could always look more closely at all that and maybe figure out some suspects (any unlikely kill choices are unlikely to be the BW, that's a great way to narrow down), and maybe he'll get lucky.

edit: x'd with Form

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Well, I'd say this:



is pretty explicit as well. Why would they believe Nog over that if Agan was a wolf, especially when Nog also said:



If Aganwolf sees that, why should she worry about Nog being the Seer?

Eomer said nothing of worth all yesterDay and gave no real reasons for his vote - look at the post you quoted yourself. Eomer voted Agan for talking a lot. Nogrod, on the other hand, had reasons that he talked about at length. My question to you, Inzil, is why you seem so intent on defending Nogrod? I was only following an assumption, yet you seem to be donning your armor for battle.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Eomer said nothing of worth all yesterDay and gave no real reasons for his vote - look at the post you quoted yourself. Eomer voted Agan for talking a lot. Nogrod, on the other hand, had reasons that he talked about at length.

I'd think that to a wolf's eyes someone voting for one of their own with little reason behind it would be a more inviting Seer prospect than one who puts effort into making a case, at least on Day 1.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

My question to you, Inzil, is why you seem so intent on defending Nogrod? I was only following an assumption, yet you seem to be donning your armor for battle.

I'm not "defending Nogrod". I'm disagreeing that he was necessarily the likely kill choice. Why are you unwilling to explore other options?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Oh well, have to leave now. I'll vote Aganzir simply due to the fact that she's posted so much when there's nothing to talk about yet. Trying to muddy the waters, obviously. Guilty as sin.

++ AGANZIR

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Shoddy reasoning. An easy vote for a wolf to have made, but at the same time I'd at least expect a wolf to qualify it with a "gut feeling", or something like it.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

I'm sorry guys, I can't stay up any longer. I'm exhausted and need sleep as I have to work again later tonight. I shouldn't be this bad for Day 2.

As for my vote...

++Wilwa

Because I can. Seriously. Just completely random.

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Cobbler Harry Glirdyleaf votes Wilwa. All that tells us is that he didn't consider her a wolf.

Originally Posted by Volo

I got a nastyish vibe from Pitchwife's first post's beginning, but later he felt Ok, Ok, Ok.



Sorry, darling, I would have liked to hear more of your voice before
++Aganzir

Correction: I did hear your voice, and would have liked to think this over, but can't. Won't. vote. randomly. So. die. please.

I pointed out yesterDay why I didn't like the way Volo latched onto going after Agan. (2)

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

++Agan

There's a chance her BW plan is actually innocent, but I don't think she would be thinking so far ahead as an ordo, and as a gifted (the seer at least) she would likely rather keep her head down and worry about finding the BW and exposing them herself. Thus, I don't think it's necessarily a completely evil scheme, but I think she wants to get rid of another opponent right off the bat, and since the BW doesn't pose much of a threat to the village right now, that leaves her as evil.

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Hm. Sally was very scarce Day 1, so it's hard to say if her intentions there were opportunistic or not.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Okay, looks like it's my bed-time. I was debating between Pitch (for a vague feeling from one post) and Glirdan (looking the worse out of the (semi-)random voters). Will vote for

++ Glirdan

Because I feel better voting with a reason than voting with a vague gut-feeling. So just to repeat what I said before: a random vote on Day 1 is not evil-looking because it's annoying (I don't vote for lynch because something is annoying, because annoying doesn't equal evil), but because it is an excellent cover for a wolf. It's an easy way to cover one Day's lynch, and no one can point out any flaws in the logic because there is no logic - and any criticisms can be answered with "It was Day 1, I had nothing better!" But the thing is, anyone has something better than totally random - except for those who know almost everyone's alignment already and don't actually have suspects at all, and have to make everything up (ergo the wolves). So, shortly, Glirdan's vote gave me the impression of a wolf looking for an easy pass through the first Day without getting his hands dirty.

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I voted for Glirdan myself for much the same reason, so this doesn't strike me as evil.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

It just hit me that there's only an hour left to the Day, how did that happen? It seems to be coming at us way too fast.

So I need to vote, cause my family is about to sit down for a nice supper and then I have to go out. So I'm going to go for:

++ Glirdan

99% of the reason I'm voting him is because he makes no sense to me, he seems more jumpy and nervous than usual, the way he was trying to take Agan's idea and make it into something regarding Cobblers, but never really explaining how the heck that would work, and I just am not getting good vibes from him at all. The other 1% is out of spite for him voting me.

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Again, I pretty much agreed about Glirdan, so I can't find fault here.

Originally Posted by Formendacil

As said before, I don't think Agan should die toDay, so if I'm to cast a useful vote, it needs to be either Glirdan-ward or Wilwa-ward. Of the two, I've found Glirdan more entertaining toDay, and Wilwa slightly more useful...

But it's Day 1, and slightness is slight... so...

++ Wilwarin

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My sole observation is that I'd wonder why "entertaining" trumps "useful" when considering a lynch.

Originally Posted by Kath

Well we apparently know the lynch choices for toDay then! So I'll go look at their posts and then vote.

Agan - suggests the person stunned reveals. Interesting idea, it would narrow down possibilities ... does it end up revealing Gifteds though and thus helping the wolves more? Basically saying just don't forget TBW in case it comes back to bite you later. Takes against Glirdan as well. Her and wilwa as buddies sounds unlikely given that they both suspect him. Suspects Nog for twisting her words or at least continuing to misunderstand them. Says 'trust me' waaaay too much.

Wilwa - saw the downsides of having the stunned person reveal. Says focusing on TBW distracts from the more immediate danger of wolves and cobblers. Seems to have pretty clear and thought through reasons against Agan's revealing plan. I thought she was looking pretty good but then she takes against Glirdan for no reason I can particularly see.

Glirdan - says focus on the wolves and cobblers and let the less obviously dangerous Gifted's sort themselves out. Makes sense to me though in these early Days we're as likely to get one of them as we are anything else! Adapts Agan's TBW outing plan to work for cobblers.

Right, well. To be honest none of them seem desperately suspicious! I'd be more tempted to go for wilwa because to be honest I can't see the reasoning behind Glirdan being suspicious.++WILWA

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I didn't understand how Kath could say Wilwa had no reasoning for suspecting Glirdan. Wilwa's reasoning for her vote looked better than Kath's at any rate.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Let me just say Form's vote was crap. Lynch one of the players who've made most sense toDay, really? At best, it was uninFormed.

I see no urgent reason to lynch Nog or Volo yet, I'm torn about Agan but I think I like her response to suspicion and would like to keep her around, and I'm having second thoughts about Lottie thanks to wilwa (plus she's not around to explain herself). So falling back on my second-best option
++Glirdan

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Doesn't look bad to me.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I also have a tendency to be wary of anyone in this game who says "trust me".



Well, she did somewhat explain it, I think. And he also voted her for what he said was no reason at all.

Ok. Fine.

For lack of other options:

++Glirdan

I can't bring myself to vote Volo toDay, and Glirdan has the random vote for Wilwa and something of a nervy edge to his posts.

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

++Glirdan

I find him suspicious enough, and I'd rather not die myself.

Self-preservation is at least understandable. (5)

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

I'm gonna go with
++Volo.
I think Shasta found a freudian slip. I haven't read any farther than Nogrod's post after Shasta.

I can't fault the suspicion on Volo, since I'd already thought him shifty. I'm not sure about the "slip", but it did look strange. (1)

Originally Posted by Loslote

++Agan

As I said, more to try and keep a Glirdy-lynch from happening than trying to lynch Agan herself. Sorry, Agan.

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I don't remember just now why Lottie didn't want Glirdan lynched.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

++ Aganzir

At least Nog's was certainly not a surprise. Consistent. (5)

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

++Glirdan

More evidence, as opposed to a 'feeling' with Agan.

(6)

Nerwen did not vote.

x/d with Lottie and Shasta