Hin Hurin

[LadyBrooke]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Urwen: I'll give you what for! You think you could go and slain my siblings and get away with it? Well, O mighty Vala, think again! *smothers Morgoth and turns* Oh, and that goes for you too. He might have slain my siblings, but YOU are responsible for my death. What should I do? I know, I'll leave you to them! *points to angry mob of Teleri elves in the distance, then climbs up onto the rock and watches as Teleri hack Maedhros to pieces*

But Urwen died of the Evil Breath plague that came from Angband. How in the world is that Maedhros's fault?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by LadyBrooke

But Urwen died of the Evil Breath plague that came from Angband. How in the world is that Maedhros's fault?

The plague came from Angband because Maedhros revealed his forces too early, when the "good guys" were still unprepared. But it's not Maedhros' fault - how would he know what the consequenses would be?! He didn't come all the way to Dor Lomin and chopped Lalaith's head off! More discussed here.

[Urwen]

You think so? Well, several big bosses warned him not to haste. They, in their wisdom, predicted her death, among other things. But he, hothead he was, refused to listen to wisdom. Thus, death of hers will haunt him along with other stains on his soul.

But if he had taken the time to prepare his attack better, she would have lived. And there would be one less stain on his soul.

He should have thought of possible consequences. Besides, had Lalaith lived, Turin wouldn't have married Nienor. Therefore, the incest is Maedhros' fault, not Lalaith's.

Also, I didn't mean just 'avenge them' for that's not enough for my soul seeking justice for those three. No, I meant 'bring them back to life'.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Also, I didn't mean just 'avenge them' for that's not enough for my soul seeking justice for those three. No, I meant 'bring them back to life'.

So you want to return humans from the dead to give these five people a chance to experience a happy life? I think it's quite possible, after the Dagor Dagorath. But not before. It just wouldn't work any other way. Don't ask me why, It just...is.

[Urwen]

That's what I meant. Plus, wouldn't it be nice. The family had five members THEN, the family would have five members NOW.

Don't discourage my dreams.

There's old saying: Pen is mightier than the sword.

Plus, since the original author is dead, the thorough description of Dagor Dagorath wouldn't come out.

That's the main reason I'm here-to dwindle out information on Chin Hurin after Dagor Dagorath. If all three come back to life, so would I, and therefore, my life as dead gost in here would end. When that happens, it's bye-bye, Barrow Downs forum.

[Galadriel55]

Well, we've come to some agreement at last!

[LadyBrooke]

Originally Posted by Urwen

You think so? Well, several big bosses warned him not to haste. They, in their wisdom, predicted her death, among other things. But he, hothead he was, refused to listen to wisdom. Thus, death of hers will haunt him along with other stains on his soul.

But if he had taken the time to prepare his attack better, she would have lived. And there would be one less stain on his soul.

He should have thought of possible consequences. Besides, had Lalaith lived, Turin wouldn't have married Nienor. Therefore, the incest is Maedhros' fault, not Lalaith's.

You know I always forget that it was released because he attacked so soon.

So because Maedhros didn't know to the last little detail the consequences of attacking when he did, it's his fault to you. I think that expecting him to know something that not knowing the exact course the future takes just means that he's not Eru Besides I could just as easily argue that if Morgoth hadn't of killed Finwe and took the silmarils in the first place, Maedhros wouldn't have been in Middle-Earth in the first place and therefore it is still Morgoth's fault.

I don't think we will ever agree Urwen. I like Feanor, Maedhros, Maglor, and Celeborn the best. I could care less about Lalaith, Turin, or Nienor.

[Urwen]

Celeborn and Maglor are okay. But Feanor and Maedhros? That isn't okay.

For me, Chin Hurin share first place in my terms of liking, then comes Aredhel, then comes Finrod, and then come Luthien and Beren. Last comes Maeglin. That's that.

Sorry, but I can't like those who think of themselves above all others.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Last comes Maeglin. That's that.

I thought Morgoth was last?

[Urwen]

No way. Morgoth isn't even worthy to be in my liking list-not even in last place.