Hin Hurin

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

If Morgoth let them live happily, they'd probably succeed in avenging Hurin

Like the Fëanorians succeeded in avenging Finwë and retrieving the Silmaril?

Originally Posted by Findegil

And in the end the plan was much more succesful then Morgoth could have been expected when he devised it: Túrins actions let to the destruction of Nargothrond, Hurins embitterment against anyone let him give up his claim for Dor-Lómin, reveal the location of Gondolin as good as he did know, diminished the realm of Brethil and led indirectly to the destruction of Doriath and to a very long lasting enmity between Elves and Dwarves.

Yep. Placing that curse on Húrin's family may well have been the single most effective thing Morgoth did in all the War of the Jewels. Even if he probably couldn't have foreseen just how much havoc it would work, it still was a stroke of genius.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Like the Fëanorians succeeded in avenging Finwë and retrieving the Silmaril?

You absolutely had to...

But consider this: Morgoth was afraid that Turin would evade his curse, such was his power at the time. All of Turin's actions were reversed by the curse that was layed on him by the most powerful ainu - and he almost escaped it. What would happen if there was no curse???

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Like the Fëanorians succeeded in avenging Finwë and retrieving the Silmaril?

Well, they did manage to get 2. At least, for a short moment...

[Urwen]

What would happen if there was no curse???

Three happy, unpoluted lives with chance of continuing the line to this very day.

Really,is that too much to ask for? I still pray that one day, curse would be removed, and on that they, because curse is finished, Lalaith, Turin and Nienor would arise as skeletons and slowly gain meat till they become exactly as they once were. I repeat: is that too much to ask?

[LadyBrooke]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Really,is that too much to ask for? I still pray that one day, curse would be removed, and on that they, because curse is finished, Lalaith, Turin and Nienor would arise as skeletons and slowly gain meat till they become exactly as they once were. I repeat: is that too much to ask?

While I doubt you meant it that way, the first thing that comes to mind by slowly gaining meat is zombish looking Lalaith, Turin, and Nienor halfway through their transformation to real humans again. In which case, yes it is far too much too ask. Far, far too much and I am now going to have nightmares of the reanimated corpse of Turin chasing me.

[Galadriel55]

Urwen, really, what do you expect? Morgoth is... Morgoth! He's not some Gandalf or Faramir or one of those noble characters who do not want to ruin lives, even the ones of foes. He's MORGOTH, and he will NOT leave in peace the family of one who had angered him. Just because he's Morgoth.

And personally, I don't want the curse to be removed until Morgoth finally dies in Dagor Dagorath - it makes the story so much more... beautiful. Now please don't fly off the handle with me for saying that!

PS: when I said "what would happen if there was no curse", I meant what would happen to Morgoth. He wouldn't like the consequences!

[Urwen]

You...you actually like MORGOTH more than TURIN, NIENOR and LALAITH?

What kind of evil fan are you?

And personally, I don't want the curse to be removed until Morgoth finally dies in Dagor Dagorath - it makes the story so much more... beautiful.

Why? You want us dead for eternity. And don't forget, we will come back to life eventually. Turin will slay Morgoth and as his reward, we will return to life. Our parents would too and then we could go and be happy family we once were...

Also...

Morgoth: What for?

Urwen: I'll give you what for! You think you could go and slain my siblings and get away with it? Well, O mighty Vala, think again! *smothers Morgoth and turns* Oh, and that goes for you too. He might have slain my siblings, but YOU are responsible for my death. What should I do? I know, I'll leave you to them! *points to angry mob of Teleri elves in the distance, then climbs up onto the rock and watches as Teleri hack Maedhros to pieces*

[LadyBrooke]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Urwen: I'll give you what for! You think you could go and slain my siblings and get away with it? Well, O mighty Vala, think again! *smothers Morgoth and turns* Oh, and that goes for you too. He might have slain my siblings, but YOU are responsible for my death. What should I do? I know, I'll leave you to them! *points to angry mob of Teleri elves in the distance, then climbs up onto the rock and watches as Teleri hack Maedhros to pieces*

But Urwen died of the Evil Breath plague that came from Angband. How in the world is that Maedhros's fault?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Urwen

You...you actually like MORGOTH more than TURIN, NIENOR and LALAITH?

Did I ever say so?
I just said that the curse thingy was a smart move on his side (which does NOT mean that I'm his fan), but the curse ultimately lead him to his end.

Originally Posted by Urwen

What kind of evil fan are you?

I'm a very bad EVIL fan, because I'm a good GOOD one.
And when I say "beautiful", I don't mean "happy". But don't you think COH is beautiful the way it is? Would it be the powerful story that we know without the sorrow in it?

Originally Posted by Urwen

Why? You want us dead for eternity. And don't forget, we will come back to life eventually. Turin will slay Morgoth and as his reward, we will return to life. Our parents would too and then we could go and be happy family we once were...

I believe so too - Turin should "strike the final blow", and avenge for his family.