Mandos Thread: DEAD ONLY! - WW LXXXVI

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I know it was me who made the agreement with the village on behalf of us all, but being a known innocent I think I had the right to do it. I said we should check the first person to reach the highest number because it's unlikelier the baddies would intentionally push one of their own to be double lynched although I know it can happen by accident.

I just hope the village tells us what we should do with Nessa & tomorrow's lynch...

As you can see from before you got here, I was clearly agreeing with you and yelling silently at the folk who couldn't hear me, seeing if I could speak mind to mind to get them to see that it's a solid plan.

And yeah, I agree. I hope somebody in the village is sensible enough to notice that there are some problems here in terms of who to talk about.

[Aganzir]

At the moment I trust Lommy about as little as I trust the phantom.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

What if we just abstained from extra-voting? --- What do we gain by giving anyone an extra vote? --- check whoever we judge is the most fruitful one to check, refrain from all extra-vote voting (which can even be harmful) and wait for Glorfy to come here

No. I thought about that too but it'd be much more harmful than accidentally giving the extra vote for a baddie. The village would be blind till Glorfy gets here, and because we can't affect the outcome of the game from here, there will be no "fruitful checks" for us. I for one am not going to let the village down.

That suggestion makes me feel three times worse about Lommy than I ever felt when she was still alive.

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

As you can see from before you got here, I was clearly agreeing with you and yelling silently at the folk who couldn't hear me

*snuggles Fea*

[Thinlómien]

Ah I feel so much like picking a fight with Agan because she's playing with such double standards but then again I think I know better than to use my energy attacking someone I know is innocent.

Anyhow, please reread what you just posted, and think whether you make sense:

No. I thought about that too but it'd be much more harmful than accidentally giving the extra vote for a baddie. The village would be blind till Glorfy gets here, and because we can't affect the outcome of the game from here, there will be no "fruitful checks" for us. I for one am not going to let the village down.

That suggestion makes me feel three times worse about Lommy than I ever felt when she was still alive.

You had the same idea yet the fact that I came up with it makes me seem suspicious?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

We might cause them to have more double lynches

Or we might prevent double lynches.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

You had the same idea yet the fact that I came up with it makes me seem suspicious?

I toyed with the idea but decided against it because it would do more harm than good. You suggested it. That's the difference between us.

[Aganzir]

Rikae & Mac: I'm going to laugh so hard if you made every member of Clan Nogrod a cobbler!

[Thinlómien]

Or we might prevent double lynches.

That's true, but given that everybody in the village except for the three cobblers (ergo a vast majority) works in order to prevent them, it's more likely we f it up for them than that we save the day. Call me a pessimist, but I think you could even prove that mathematically.

I toyed with the idea but decided against it because it would do more harm than good. You suggested it. That's the difference between us.

Yes, because I'm still not convinced it'd do more harm than good. And I wanted to throw it for you to think about instead of considering all the points inside my heads. Generally you see better with more eyes and especially as this thread mostly has people I trust (you, Shasta, Fea) talking actively, I couldn't see any harm in thinking aloud. So no need to trash me for it.


edit: xed with Agan

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

it's more likely we f it up for them than that we save the day.

If you are only throwing an idea out there without actually suggesting it, you usually don't portray it in a nearly flawless light when there are both pros and cons to it.

Generally you see better with more eyes and especially as this thread mostly has people I trust (you, Shasta, Fea) talking actively, I couldn't see any harm in thinking aloud. So no need to trash me for it.

I pointed out a flaw in your logic but it wasn't a personal attack.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Agan

If you are only throwing an idea out there without actually suggesting it, you usually don't portray it in a nearly flawless light when there are both pros and cons to it.

I didn't portray it in a nearly flawless light and besides, the flaws should be obvious and they've been mentioned on this thread several times.

Originally Posted by Agan

I pointed out a flaw in your logic but it wasn't a personal attack.

No you didn't. It's a completely different thing to say "hey mate, there's a flaw in your logic" than "faulty logic! I smells evil!" and they provoke completely different reactions in the people whose logic you criticise. You can try experimenting with that.

And even though I know there'll be more jungle knives and pole axes for this, I really still don't see what's so utterly bad about my plan. Yes, it has vices. But so does the current plan. But it's not like I can take my plan through alone or that you need my cooperation for anything, so no need to get aggressive about it.


On a totally different issue, we're going to have rather tricky time toMorrow (assuming we stick with the original plan) because we still don't know which mode of communication the village is expecting of us, but we still have plenty time to think about that.

And then I should still vote toDay. I'd still see Nessa's role revealed as being far more useful than mine being revealed, but if you insist on sticking to the original plan, I guess there's not much I can do. Of course I've never gone Nilp before, which might be an interesting experience.

Being dead is more frustrating than I ever expected it to be and we're all stuck here until the end of the game... envy those blasted mortals.