The Necromancer

[Sarumian]

Originally Posted by blue

Hmm! Well, I'll have to go back an look, then. I'm probably misremembering but I thought Saurman'd started down the wrong path with the palantir connection with Sauron, though I'm not sure when that could've occurred - prior to the jaunts Gandalf took during the Hobbit to thwart Sauron/Necromancer or after.

As I understood it, Saruman's corruption started before he got connected to Sauron via Palantir. It began when he learned enough about the true nature of The Ring and came to the conclusion that it can be found and used. He started desiring it. While he was not totally corrupt at the time of 'The Hobbit', he was already turning aside from his mission and, yes, delayed the attack on Dol Gudur under one or the other reason until Gandalf went there and proved that the Necromancer was Sauron. Then the attack was launched with his consent.

However, before he began chatting with the greater S, he was still able to return back to his path, but then he got trapped - all this happened a bit later as far as I concerned. Due to this reason, I wouldn't really mind such an interpretation, that at the time of 'The Hobbit' Saruman was still a noble wizard. Or may be he just came into temptation and desperately fought it. All that could make it more interesting, than just another battle.

[Sarumian]

PS Re: Mr. Cumberbatch. He's a good actor (Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy) and I hope, he's going to read the book before he does the job. His interview made me to recall how Russian emperor Alexander III explained why he fired a minister:
'When Durnovo reports to me, he understands nothing, but I can understand the matter; when count Vitte reports, I understand nothing, but he understands it. And when it was Krivoshey, neither him no me could understand anything.' The latter can also be said about the interviewer and mr. Cumberbatch.

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Sarumian

However, before he began chatting with the greater S, he was still able to return back to his path, but then he got trapped - all this happened a bit later as far as I concerned.

Was Saruman truly 'trapped,' or was this Gandalf's spin on the situation. When I read the conversation between the Grey and the White wizards, it sure seems that Saruman was a willing partner in Sauron's plans.

Regardless, can't wait to see how PJ spins it. Saruman with chronic conjunctivitis in one eye perhaps?

[Sarumian]

Originally Posted by alatar

Was Saruman truly 'trapped,' or was this Gandalf's spin on the situation. When I read the conversation between the Grey and the White wizards, it sure seems that Saruman was a willing partner in Sauron's plans.

Regardless, can't wait to see how PJ spins it. Saruman with chronic conjunctivitis in one eye perhaps?

I totally agree that Saruman collaborated with Sauron willingly but I belive he had already had the way out no more. Like a trapped mouse who willingly eats cheese...

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Sarumian

I totally agree that Saruman collaborated with Sauron willingly but I belive he had already had the way out no more. Like a trapped mouse who willingly eats cheese...

No, he had. Gandalf made a point of pointing that outduring his, Saruman's, Theoden's and etc little chat at Orthanc. If he would have repented, he would have been welcomed back. But you can't repent unless you really mean it, and Saruman did not, so he could not. But it's because who he was, not what situation he was in.

Hi everyone!
I guess I'm just as excited about the movie as you are.
I even reread the book two weeks ago.
So, here's my question: who is that Necromancer?
I know that Benedict Cumberbatch is going to give him his voice. But I don't remember him in the book.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Hendrix90

Hi everyone!
I guess I'm just as excited about the movie as you are.
I even reread the book two weeks ago.
So, here's my question: who is that Necromancer?
I know that Benedict Cumberbatch is going to give him his voice. But I don't remember him in the book.

The Necromancer was an awful reprobate who lived in a small cubicle deep in the Forest of Mirkwood. He was despised for dispatching black flying squirrels all over Wilderland who bore in their mouths advertisements for worthless products nobody wanted.

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

The Necromancer was an awful reprobate who lived in a small cubicle deep in the Forest of Mirkwood. He was despised for dispatching black flying squirrels all over Wilderland who bore in their mouths advertisements for worthless products nobody wanted.

Inzil, don't talk to spam. You'll only encourage...ummm...spamminess.

[Eruhen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

The Necromancer was an awful reprobate who lived in a small cubicle deep in the Forest of Mirkwood. He was despised for dispatching black flying squirrels all over Wilderland who bore in their mouths advertisements for worthless products nobody wanted.

Best. Answer. Ever.