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Belegorn · 06-27-2015, 11:14 AM

If Frodo died, or lost the Ring to Sauron I do not think Gandalf would have given up. Obviously things would certainly be different and very nearly was. The Nazgûl would be infinitely stronger, "they are only shadows yet of the power and terror they would possess if the Ruling Ring was on their master's hand again" [FotR, A Journey in the Dark] and Sauron would as Gandalf told Frodo have "strength and knowledge to beat down all resistance, break the last defenses, and cover all the lands in a second darkness." [The Shadow of the Past] It would be very tough, however, especially with the Elvish strongholds held by the bearers of the Three since "all that has been wrought with them will be laid bare, and he will be stronger than ever." The One was really malicious when you think about it in terms of it's connection with the other Rings in seeing their workings and the minds of their bearers.

Belegorn · 08-06-2015, 09:36 AM

There is also this statement by Gandalf to Denethor which I think shows that Gandalf would not have thrown in the towel had Sauron got the Ring back.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Return of the King; Minas Tirith

all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, those are my care. And for my part, I shall not wholly fail of my task, though Gondor should perish, if anything passes through this night that can still grow fair or bear fruit and flower again in days to come. For I also am a steward. Did you not know?

Ivriniel · 11-07-2015, 09:01 PM

I had another 'vision' of 'Sauronic heaven' to extend the 'dust bowl' theory.

Being so narcissistically inclined, much like all the evil antagonists often are in literature, I'm sure he'd have grown very bored of the "Mordor Singularity" in the ever-expanding dust bowl of 'orc only', "Ungolient-esque" swelling with Greed and Lust, unto even Nigh Valinor.

Thence, didst Sauron invert all The Powers, and even Taniquetil spewed forth a lurid, sickly light, and the Sun and the Moon grew nauseating to behold. Thence, he inverted the dead Trees on Ezellohar, conjuring wraith forms into them, for Necromancy was ever a pursuit of Sauron's lust. And so, through the Trees he extended his will into Valinor, and great spectral haunts, to mock Eru were vomited forth of his Lore. Until nigh even thence to the Gates of Night, didst Sauron thence Usurp even Melkor, and summoning forth Melkor from the Void, Sauron subverted his former master and adorned himself with the greatest prise: Master of Arda. Land of Spectres, Wraiths, Undead, and a peril to any life. The Elves, utterly subverted, either chattel, and toys for Sauron's perverse pleasures. Or, violated and subverted, as servants of Darkness, all.

Okay, then what bad boi? Go ahead Sauron you idiot

let's see what Eru does with that one....

06-27-2015, 11:14 AM	#1
Belegorn Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Henneth Annûn, Ithilien Posts: 462	If Frodo died, or lost the Ring to Sauron I do not think Gandalf would have given up. Obviously things would certainly be different and very nearly was. The Nazgûl would be infinitely stronger, "they are only shadows yet of the power and terror they would possess if the Ruling Ring was on their master's hand again" [FotR, A Journey in the Dark] and Sauron would as Gandalf told Frodo have "strength and knowledge to beat down all resistance, break the last defenses, and cover all the lands in a second darkness." [The Shadow of the Past] It would be very tough, however, especially with the Elvish strongholds held by the bearers of the Three since "all that has been wrought with them will be laid bare, and he will be stronger than ever." The One was really malicious when you think about it in terms of it's connection with the other Rings in seeing their workings and the minds of their bearers. __________________ "For believe me: the secret for harvesting from existence the greatest fruitfulness and the greatest enjoyment is - to live dangerously!" - G.S.; F. Nietzsche

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11-07-2015, 09:01 PM	#3
Ivriniel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 430	I had another 'vision' of 'Sauronic heaven' to extend the 'dust bowl' theory. Being so narcissistically inclined, much like all the evil antagonists often are in literature, I'm sure he'd have grown very bored of the "Mordor Singularity" in the ever-expanding dust bowl of 'orc only', "Ungolient-esque" swelling with Greed and Lust, unto even Nigh Valinor. Thence, didst Sauron invert all The Powers, and even Taniquetil spewed forth a lurid, sickly light, and the Sun and the Moon grew nauseating to behold. Thence, he inverted the dead Trees on Ezellohar, conjuring wraith forms into them, for Necromancy was ever a pursuit of Sauron's lust. And so, through the Trees he extended his will into Valinor, and great spectral haunts, to mock Eru were vomited forth of his Lore. Until nigh even thence to the Gates of Night, didst Sauron thence Usurp even Melkor, and summoning forth Melkor from the Void, Sauron subverted his former master and adorned himself with the greatest prise: Master of Arda. Land of Spectres, Wraiths, Undead, and a peril to any life. The Elves, utterly subverted, either chattel, and toys for Sauron's perverse pleasures. Or, violated and subverted, as servants of Darkness, all. Okay, then what bad boi? Go ahead Sauron you idiot let's see what Eru does with that one....