The effect of the Great Rings upon Men

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Ivriniel

A beautiful citation from Belegorn



This citation 'dongs' on the head any suggestion that it was, somehow, a 'male' incapacity to 'withstand' the Witchking--in a 'Head On Up Front'. This means there was 'a man', Earnur, who could, basically, stand there, in front of witchypoo and stab at the creepy thing in front of him. "Would" a man "yes" is the answer and "could" a man (withstand), a double yes is the implication of this canon.

Soooo that leaves us wondering, again Glorfindel's words that give one a headache, because "not by the hand of man" means not "Eowyn is not of man(kind)" but "a woman I am, not a man".

But are you saying this somehow disproves my point? I never said males were inherently unable to withstand the Witch-king- where did you get that idea?

[Ivriniel]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

But are you saying this somehow disproves my point? I never said males were inherently unable to withstand the Witch-king- where did you get that idea?

believe me, I'm confused as well

There's so many materials here. Um, not so much 'disproves' the point, but implies that the rendering of Glorfindel's prophesy as about "..not by the hand of man..." has more than one emphasis.

I re-read your post 'just happened to be' a woman and a hobbit. I get where you went. It converges with part of the point I made. In one sense out of two.

It's the part you've lifted out 'special properties' as meaning that it is 'not' necessary that women and hobbits possess them that leaves this question.

What is Eowyn? (okay now I'm going to laughing hysterically). Is she not of man? As a woman, she 'just happens' to not be a man - soooo - doesn't this mean that people (or things) 'not men' that can slay a Nazgul have 'something'? Some joo joo, or some facet of mind, or some bearing, or some facility, or something?

Otherwise, why couldn't 'men' achieve it?