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05-08-2020, 03:01 PM
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Gruesome Spectre
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Well, no more doubt around KitRanger.
YesterDay's Hueywagon turned out well, but it seemed to me to come out of nowhere. It's the same issue I had with the sudden push on Brinn the previous Day. Adding to my trepidation was the fact that Lottie and Pitch, who I was very wary of, were on it. I tried to consolidate yesterDay's comments, and later, votes on Huey : Quote:
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05-08-2020, 03:10 PM
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05-08-2020, 03:13 PM
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Reflection of Darkness
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I was really hoping that Kit was an ordo acting like the ranger, but alas.
 The Hui bandwagon really did come from nowhere - I'm just glad I trusted my gut. I don't think the wolves saw that bandwagon coming, however, I do think there's a fair chance that a wolf is hiding among the Hui voters, so I will not disregard them. Another Day in which the baddies have deciding power in the QT vote. That thread has got to be getting interesting. Will look over some things shortly..
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05-08-2020, 03:20 PM
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I think there's a fair chance there's a wolf hiding among the three first people to try to discredit the epic hueywagon ie Inzil, Pitch and Brinn.
 Zil's summary was very nice, but I think I'm still gonna look at the votes myself now to get a better feel of the timing of all etv. Also I noticed there a brain fart in the quote by me: Quote:
PS. Sadly I don't think we can conclude basically anything of the Kitanna kill, any pack would've done that. I'm really not sure what to make of Brinn's statement that she thought Kit might be an ordo... like seriously????
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05-08-2020, 03:31 PM
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Wight of the Old Forest
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Then all of a sudden, in #552, he's 'open to a Huey vote', with no explanation. So, what has changed? Also, I've read through Hui's posts since yesterDay (assign him to Mordor for those walls of text!), and there were a few interesting points where he refers to Eönwë: Quote:
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05-08-2020, 03:36 PM
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Wight of the Old Forest
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And yes, Eönwë did give Hui the deciding vote to put him ahead of Mac, but I think it could have been a case of 'push what's falling' and reckoning he'd look better for it.
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05-08-2020, 03:33 PM
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Fading Fëanorion
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Before I go into anything else... I find it absolutely amazing that after two years, and many more years for some of us, werewolf went straight back to its heyday. That deadline yesterDay was about as exciting as it gets, and not just because I was in it!
You have no idea how good it felt to see Hui revealed as a wolf. No. Idea.  I didn't think Kitanna actually was the ranger. Dang. About that whole framing business... I'm kind of proven wrong there as absolutely nobody went along with it. The most I got was "I can see where he's coming from, but it's still stupid" from one or two people. I'd like to tell myself that I called the wolves out so they changed their plan on the fly, but I fear I'd be deluding myself there. And even if, I daresay I gave them plenty ammunition to go after me in other ways. I'm still very much convinces that Greenie is a wolf, but I'm gonna analyze Hui and the madness of the voting first And holy quote-spam, Inzil. 
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05-08-2020, 03:46 PM
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Wight of the Old Forest
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Let it be said though, Mac, if you turn out to be a wolf I'll smother you under a heap of used handkerchiefs!
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Reflection of Darkness
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So some highlights on Hui...
Day 1, he writes up most of his opinions in #183 (not quoting it because it's long). An essential summary of that Day is that he suspects Lommy and Pitch and to a lesser degree G55. He votes G55 to prevent me from getting lynched. Day 2 highlights: Quote:
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I'd imagine that Hui wouldn't put just innocents in his suspect list and from that list I think Inzil is most likely to be his packmate. He suspects him without fully committing to it, plus I already found him to be pretty suspicious yesterDay. The timing of Hui's vote for Mac makes me think better of Mac. He was the third to vote him and at that time it looked like there was a real chance Mac could get lynched and before the bandwagon against Hui began. I have doubts that Hui would risk that. Will also be looking at the votes shortly. X-ed since #595. Either I post too slow or y'all are posting too fast!
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05-08-2020, 03:18 PM
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Well, rats.
Just so we're clear here, I'm not easing off Mac just because Huey was a wolf. It would be easy for the wolves to sacrifice either one of them to clear the other. Now bring on the accusations, because they might be fair. Wrong, but fair. x'd with Dun, who was very prepared this Morning, and the rest
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05-08-2020, 03:21 PM
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05-08-2020, 03:26 PM
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05-08-2020, 04:07 PM
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I did wonder about this yesterDay, and when that vote she led against Huey turned out so effective I really did think she really was the Seer. But well done KitRanger for leading us to catch the wolf. Hope you're celebrating in QT!
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05-08-2020, 04:17 PM
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05-08-2020, 04:56 PM
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Okay, I have been re-reading the votes from yesterDay. I kinda wanted to look at each vote and consider what it would mean if the vote in question always came from a Wolf, how likely it is, and such. (Of course, the reality is more complicated, as there are four Wolves, and we don't know whether Mac isn't one of them. But we deal with what we can. One thing at a time.)
Lommy->Mac - Lommy's vote came early and started a bandwagon for a person who had gained a lot of talk in the village that Day and it was probable he would get votes. If Mac is innocent, then it's a simple matter of Wolf starting a bandwagon against an innocent. If Mac is guilty, it makes Lommy look better, even though even in such a case a Wolfmmy could also have easily hidden her vote for a fellow Wolf among a bandwagon that may not have necessarily succeeded. Kath->Zil - kind of a similar case (except the bandwagon got no continuation. There certainly was potential for it, however. But for Mac, people like Greenie had been voicing their suspicion and possibility to vote, unlike here). Lhuna->Lommy - This is interesting but requires already a lot of speculation (entering territory we know little of: everything would depend whether Mac is a Wolf, whether Lommy is a Wolf, etc etc). Could look into it, but as stand-alone, hard to say anything. Mac->Lommy 2. Kind of a normal retaliation. Of course also possible place for safe Wolf-on-Wolf. But again, a lot would depend on whether yesterDay happened to be bandwagons for two Wolves. I will try to limit this to the "hard data", otherwise we could just as well close shop. QT->Brinniel. I said something about it yesterDay. It could have easily turned into a bandwagon, the fact that it didn't I take partly on myself, because I considered it and then opted for Hui, which drew other people. Greenie->Mac 2. Again, see Lommy. Note: she considered Brinniel equally much but opted for Mac (Greenie, why did you choose Mac over Brinn in the end?) Legate-> Hui and here it starts, from this moment, there is a bandwagon for a known Wolf. It should be noted however that this was, preceded by a lengthy debate - at this point, I assumed at least two other people to vote for Hui as well (interestingly, that was Kit and Lottie, but also Boro who later turned absolutely away from it. Boro, could tell what led you to it?). I'll actually quote my post there: Quote:
Hui->Mac 3. I consider this important because Hui could have picked other ways to save himself (like go for Brinn or push for whatever else was in the air). First thought is of course that Mac is therefore innocent. Rune->Lottie. Now depending on the context this could be anything: a throwaway, likely though not an attempt to save a packmate (too little momentum already and stronger bandwagons elsewhere). It looks mostly like an innocent going stubbornly after his own. It swung literally when Kit voted Hui (2)(I didn't realise it at that time, but it totally did). Now we know both their roles, so nothing more to add to this. Ka->Lottie 2 created the possibility of a bandwagon that never was. One could analyse this vote - but as of now, I don't have the strength. By this point, Lottie was still "leaning towards voting Huinesoron" and Mac was still one vote ahead (so, two would be needed to make Hui lead). Then Pitch voted Hui (3), and that was the second moment. Pitch's vote, to me, stands as the "clearest" - again provided Mac isn't a Wolf too. Or more like, if all other options weren't wolves, because there would still have been ways to vote somebody third. Lottie->Hui 4. I was originally rather suspicious about Lottie's vote yesterDay and basically would echo Rune's misgivings about her toDay (her post toDay with the vote list that really looked like she arbitrarily drew the line of "good votes" after herself). But on re-read of the actual voting, the way the voting went makes me feel better about her. She voted Hui after some deliberation. There was some three minute pause between Pitch's and her vote, and it was Lottie who swung the vote towards Hui. Would a Wolf (even if we discount Macwolf possibility) do that? Well, could - to exonerate themselves. A Lothwolf could have fatalistically cast her vote - especially after she's been talking about it as option before - and waited to see what happened. She was also gaining votes herself, so who knows. But it was a very well-placed vote and she had been talking about it before, that's for sure. Sally->Mac 4. Sally's vote could look possibly the worst alone (again, unless Mac is a Wolf too), she's been steering clear of Hui and raising the bar that allowed Macwagon to make a comeback. But then again: she was following her original suspicion, and obviously no reason to switch to Hui. Also it would be a very blunt action to save a packmate, let's not forget that. Zil->Mac 5, on the other hand, voted Mac to the lead... "because he distrusted Lottie and Pitch"? I know you mentioned that, but specifically here, what did you mean by it? Again, otherwise, also would be rather blunt action to try to save Hui... But these things are all hard to judge. Some remarks about voting intentions came in between those that deserve mention. Brinn said at this point that she had wanted to vote Zil but would rather see Hui lynched over Mac. That leans better - again, unless Mac is also a Wolf. Eönwë seemed to be waiting and waiting just like the Day before - something I took for potential calculated Wolfism. Lalaith -> Hui 5 because she trusted Kit - that's kinda straightforward. More importantly, she clearly did so when Mac was in the lead, but also more people (Brinn) were still to vote and it looked like they would go for Hui. It may have been a safe time to seal a packmate's fate and make herself look better. But overall that vote makes me feel better of her. Boro->Mac 5 - I need to take a look at what Boro said about Hui altogether. His vote for Mac crossed and happened just when Hui was already in the lead, so it didn't change anything. I'm now kinda leaning not to give much meaning to this vote. But I really want to see what he said about Hui. Eönwë's final vote (for Hui) was kinda inconsequential whichever role he has, could have gone either way. Perhaps as a Wolf he would have been more proactive... but again: this all not considering the option of Macwolf. Shasta (for Mac, for symmetry) was the same and did nothing. Both him and Steve were in the position to move in, but as Wolves would have had the dilemma: do a blunt "save a fellow" move, or put a nail in his coffin? They opted for neither, in a sense. In any case, they opted for not actively saving him, that's for sure. I'm not going to suspect them just based on this. Conclusion? Well, there are still unknowns in the whole thing. But this could help looking from some perspectives... And I basically crossposted with everything, I'm sure, but let's see.
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4 wolves 13 innocents. Man it's exciting but there's still A LOT of people
Ok Huey...what do we know? I believe 2nd game (?) New wolf. Likes to be active/involved. I did not sense any nerves in his responses when he was suspected. In hindsight, I'd say what got him in trouble is his non-committal attitude in forming suspicions. Quote:
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"I'm voting G55 to avoid Brinn getting lynched" = wolf having trouble trying to create fake suspicions. So his reasoning isn't based on faked suspicions, but on what he KNOWS. Brinn is innocent. Day 2 has been examined quite a bit. I don't want to go posting a bunch of quotes. In general this post of suspects. #429 A lot of trying to establish that he had previous suspicions against these people and therefor offering up some names to defend his vote when he makes it. Plus that post where I think he questioned Zil and Lottie's high post count and just for that moved Zil up to "probable wolf." What can we tell by the wolf-pack's kills so far? As Rune commented after Rikae's death it looks like an unadventurous/boring pack. After Kit being killed, I'm agreeing with that assessment. A bolder and risk-taking pack may have let Kit live, risked having her stop their kill, but have the village wondering how the heck is the "revealed" Ranger still alive? There's still a lot of people here, and Ranger could not self-protect so a bolder pack might have tried to get us to lynch our ranger by keeping her alive. That's not what we have though. I can imagine a bold pack with Mac going paranoid and his mates busing him. But can I see that ploy between Mac and Huey, no doesn't feel like that. We have a wolf pack that made 2 safe kills, which suggests they're trying to play it safe in the day and not do a bunch of crazy wolf-on-wolf. I suppose now that I said this we're going to get wolves busing each other.  I'm assuming this post has crossed with a lot.
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Probably fine
Legate of Amon Lanc - started the Hui-waggon, nothing pinging on my radar. Loslote - Still seems fine to me. Pitchwife - Despite his immediate suspicion of me toDay, I'm inclined to believe that he's actually innocent - most of what he says seems logical and to come out of genuine concern for the village being misled/tricked. Kath - The wolfy vibes I got yesterDay don't seem to have amounted to much. Lhunardawen - Still seems fine to me. A Little Green - Still seems fine to me. Temporarily off the hook (I haven't seen any suspicious behaviour since Day 1) Brinniel Macalaure Concerned about Shastanis Althreduin - I didn't like how he waited until his vote didn't matter. THE Ka - Expanded the votes to 3 candidates after one was a wolf - definitely one to look at if Mac does turn out to be a wolf. Thinlómien - My suspicions of her haven't subsided. Also, in her first post toDay, she completely discounts the idea of wolf-on-wolf. Lalaith - I didn't like how she brought more attention to the fact that Kit was the Ranger yesterDay (with her presumption that it was obviously true) and her logic toDay seems wolvish (as noted earlier) Rune Son of Bjarne - Just a feeling at the moment; I need to reread his posts. Probably evil Inziladun - His pushing Kit out, late Mac vote, and immediate focus on wolf-on-wolf have just added to me thinking he's suspicious. Plus he's a late Mac voter. Boromir88 - Two days in a row, he's shaped his discussion in a way I find suspicious. He's also a late Mac voter. Satansaloser2005 - Ever since she appeared near the end of yesterDay, she's exuded extremely strong evil vibes and I have yet to figure out way. But it should be noted that she's also a late Mac voter. edit: x-ed since my last post.
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Also, I realise that I suspected Zil based on his first post toDay because he immediately suggested wolf-on-wolf and Lommy on her first post toDay because she immediately focused on the opposite.
But I think immediately focusing on Hui-voters in the first post of the Day when there are definitely guilty Mac-voters seems like misdirection. On the other hand, Lommy saying that it's basically impossible makes me uneasy because it does seem like an option, just not the most obvious one. edit: x-ed with Mac
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Anyway, I'll be gone for a while (and it looks like I might need to vote before the QT vote comes through), so:
Keen to vote Zil Boro Sally Don't need much persuading to vote: Lommy Lalaith Could vote THE Ka Rune Might need some persuading, but could vote in a pinch Shasta (would like to see him explain himself first) Mac (We would probably learn a lot, and I'm not sure of his innocence - I just don't suspect him as much as the others on this list)
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Had my vote mattered, I do think I probably would have voted for Huin over Mac simply because I preferred the company - I had vastly more reads on the Huin voters, for good and ill, over the Mac voters.
In response to Eonwe - you did basically the same thing, bruh. You and I were the last to vote. In my case, I was watching the votes basically be a perfect tie and thinking "well these reactions are gonna be interesting." I didn't have a good enough read on either Huin or Mac to warrant specifically saving one or the other, and I didn't have an evil-enough read to warrant condemning one or the other, so I was concentrating more on the voters than the votees.
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band·wag·on | \ ˈband-ˌwa-gən \
1 : a usually ornate and high wagon for a band of musicians especially in a circus parade 2 : a popular party, faction, or cause that attracts growing support —often used in such phrases as jump on the bandwagon 3 : a current or fashionable trend Shamelessly copy-pasted from The Merriam Webster dictionary, emphasis mine. I made that comment after seeing a few posts implying that the first vote starts a bandwagon. Taken in isolation, one vote has no support, let alone a growing support. More often than not, unless they're very flimsily reasoned, we don't analyse first votes as throw-aways or wolf-on-wolf (but then again, why not, but that's an altogether different topic). I've always been of the belief that a bandwagon starts the moment another person jumps on it. We start really analysing votes the moment they start gaining momentum towards a successful lynch. Brinn, however, made a good point here: Quote:
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With 5 wolves I'm not discounting a wolf on wolf even after the Huitrain started to gain serious steam (that did seem to come off left field didn't it?). But based on the voting alone I'm inclined to think Leggie innocent, it doesn't seem reasonable for a wolf to offer his packmate up to be sacrificed when he wasn't in real danger of getting lynched, or to try to convince others to vote for him. Also, I'm not sure why Shasta appears innocent for holding his vote. It looked incredibly fishy to me, but I probably need a deeper reading for context. I'll do more in-depth analyses once I'm done with work. Last edited by Lhunardawen; 05-08-2020 at 09:25 PM. Reason: crossposted with Shasta, of all people. also fixed quotes |
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I'm going to take a look at those falling under my radar. It's already late, so I don't know if I'll get to everyone tonight, or heck even toDay...it's hard to keep up with all the posts. I took a look at the last couple games I played and we ended on Day 6-7 at around 20 pages. It's only Day 3 and we're already at page 17! Is this just a really talkative group or pandemic boredom? Okay, so first.. The Ka from yesterDay: In post#426, she wonders why Mac wants attention on him and who would benefit. Later she says... Quote:
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On that note, it doesn't appear that Hui and Ka at any point interacted or mentioned each other. Could be nothing, or could be two wolves staying clear of each other. In summary, I don't think I'm any better informed about The Ka. She could go either way.
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Hindsightful commentary on yesterDay's voting
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Kath -> Inzil Lhuna -> Lommy There we go for starters. I don't find anything particularly comment-worthy about these votes in the light of how things developed, but I think Lhuna's parting shot "Friendly reminder, a bandwagon does not start with the first vote. " is still rather ominous. Care to elaborate what you were referring to, Lhuna? Macalaure -> Lommy 2 QT -> Brinniel Mac is consistent with his earlier suspicions, QT we can disregard. Greenie -> Macalaure 2 Now this is interesting. The vote isn't very incriminating if you look at the tally, but if you consider that Legate had started suggesting Huine-lynch before Greenie voted and at least three people had commented on the suggestion with varying degrees of enthusiasm - while Greenie? Didn't say a word about Hui but kept talking about whether she would prefer Mac or Brinn. Now voting Mac was certainly consistent with her earlier suspicions, but as she's said herself, consistency isn't necessarily a sign of innocence. Of course her reasons might have been entirely innocent, but it does stand out to me that she deliberately chooses not to participate in the "is lynching Hui a good idea" discussion that's going on around her.Legate -> Huinesoron So: Legate had suspected Hui before, but I wouldn't say they were his main suspect. He said he was considering voting them, Lottie or Brinn, while he was reluctant to take a stand on Lommy-vs-Mac. As you can see, Brinn had one vote at this point and had been under heavy suspicion, and while Lottie had no votes, several people had mentioned her as suspicious too. Huinesoron, by comparison, seemed to be under most people's radar. I can't for the life of me fathom why legatewolf would have dragged his fellow Huine to the execution block like this when they were flying under so many people's radars, (not even if their comrades happened to be Lottie, Brinn and Mac). Especially since he literally said he doesn't want to vote Huine if nobody will join him. Huinesoron -> Macalaure 3 I don't think this says much. Hui pretty much declared they will vote Mac before, and even if he was their fellow wolf, he was pretty resigned to getting lynched and they might have been prioritising self-preservation as suspicion was gathering around them at this point. Rune -> Loslote Kitanna -> Huinesoron 2 THE Ka -> Loslote 2 Now we can safely disregard Kit (sorry angel!), but Rune and THE Ka certainly stand out. When Rune voted, Huin still had only one vote, and the scene had not yet been set. Rune adding yet more candidate on the table (especially since "whether or not to spread the vote" was a minor discussion topic), is not particularly telling either way. Perhaps an uber-protective packmate would have rather voted Mac in case people would actually join Legate in a hueywagon, but I don't think Rune is that type of wolf. THE Ka? Like Greenie, gives the vibe that she just wants to ignore the Huinescussion and perhaps silence it that way. She could have voted Lottie in hopes of creating a yet another bandwagon that might gain momentum instead of the huinewagon. Pitchwife -> Huinesoron 3 Now this vote is the one that made Huine a serious lynch candidate. Paired with the impulsive sounding comment "You know what, let's.", it would be pretty brazen wolf-on-wolf, and frankly if Pitch is that bold as a wolf, he probably deserved not to get suspected toDay anyway. Loslote -> Huinesoron 4 Basically voted Huine because she was considering it and Legate told her to. This btw would make wolf!Legate an absolutely brutal backstabber. If Lottie was aiming for mere self-preservation, she could have just as well gone for Mac, which I personally think Wolflote would have been more likely to do even if Mac is a wolf too. Sally -> Macalaure 4 Another one who steered clear of the Huine issue, wondered aloud if she should vote Mac or Lottie. Went for Mac who had more votes of the two at the time when Huine was rapidly gaining more votes. Extremely dubious vote - especially if we take into account that at least to me at this point Huine didn't seem like a "lost case" at all. Inzil -> Macalaure 5 "Because I distrust Lottie, and to a lesser extent, Pitch." Huh? Basically implied without straight up saying so that he would prefer not to lynch Huinesoron. The placement of this vote is pretty dodgy, but Inzil's last minute "Watch Huey be a wolf. " (after the lynch was resolved but the deadline had not come yet) has a very innocent ring to me.Lalaith -> Huinesoron 5 Brinn -> Huinesoron 6 These two cross-posted with each other. Lalaith had been avoiding the Huine debacle too, but said she trusts Kit, so went with them. Brinn said "let's see what happens..." Now at this point, Huine was quite possible toast already, so these votes don't strike me as as innocent as the earlier Huine votes. This was the moment when a fellow might have voted for Huine to look better, if at any point. Especially Lalaith's pious "I'm following Kit" makes me raise eyebrows a little. But to clarify: I don't think these votes are suspicious, just the least overwhelmingly innocent in the huinewagon which looks very innocent to me overall. Boro -> Mac 6 Claims to have crossposted, I'm not sure with quite how many votes. Still, clearly a vote that was - intentionally or unintentionally - towards saving Huinesoron. Therefore, deserves scrutiny. Eönwë -> Huinesoron 7 This one sealed the deal. As far as I understand, he was up to date and aware that he was condemning Huine. Pretty bold, when he could have as well sat back and seen what Shasta would do. Or voted Mac to save Huine. Generally a very innocent-seeming vote, but I'd like him to elaborate what he meant by the "it's going to have to be" here: "Ok, with the vote count looking as it is, it looks like it's going to have to be: ++Huinesoron" Shasta -> Mac 7 A pointless vote, and he knew it. I don't think we can judge this much as it is, but I want to add that Shasta, too, largely refrained on commenting Hui. I wonder if he's a wolf and sat around looking at the situation develop, wondering if he should save Hui but deciding not to stick his neck out that far after all. His vote, too, was very safe. edit: predictably xed with everyone
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I will have the advantage to analyze the voting knowing the role of both main targets.
Lommy -> Mac (1) Kicking it off. There was widespread suspicion of me at the time. The bandwaggon was fueled up, and Lommy turned the ignition. This would be the mean way to interpret it. On the other hand, Lommy had been after me for a while and her vote is consistent with that. Kath -> Inzil (1) Not much to say here. This vote looks fine to me. Lhuna -> Lommy (1) Not really following her suspicion, to be honest, but other than that this one seems fine enough. Mac -> Lommy (2) Not the smartest vote of my life, but hey. QT -> Brinniel (1) (known cobbler vote) Greenie -> Mac (2) There's a bunch of things that feel wrong about the way she's been suspecting me, but I think I'll get to that later. The vote by itself doesn't seem bad. Legate -> Huin (1) My Hero! An early vote for Huin could be a wolf-on-wolf, but: - he urged others to follow, which wolf-on-wolfers tend to not do - it came at a time where a swing towards Huin was already in the air Huin -> Mac (3) (known wolf vote) Rune -> Loslote (1) Votes for his prime suspect at a time where a swing was still possible, so this seems ok with me. Kitanna -> Huin (2) (known innocent vote) THE Ka -> Loslote (2) Her reasoning is pretty close to Kitanna's. I'm ok with this one. Pitch -> Huin (3) The vote that made it an official bandwaggon. If this was wolf-on-wolf, it was as cold as a dog's snout. Loslote -> Huin (4) Loslote might have felt some heat at this point, but if this was all about wolfish self-preservation, she could have very easily justified a vote for me at this point. Pretty innocent. Sally -> Mac (4) No, Sally! Bad, Sally! Inzil -> Mac (5) Not a good look right there. Lalaith -> Huin (5) Lalaith was fairly uncommitted at this point, and probably could have justified a vote for nearly anyone, so this looks pretty good to me. Brinn -> Huin (6) Stated a possible vote for him for a while at this point, so this again looks pretty innocent. Boro -> Mac (6) At this point, wolf-saving-wolf votes become a bit bold, because they're so glaring. I can't wrap my mind around Boro. He needs looking at. Eonwe -> Huin (7) The final death sentence. At this point, Huin was of course ready to be sacrificed for the other wolves. Still, he could've gone with someone else. Stated willingness to vote for him before. Shasta -> Mac (7) Waited until everything was decided. Mildly eyebrow-raising. Suspicion based on votes only: Bad: Sally, Inzil Not good: Boro Neutral: Lommy, Lhuna, Greenie, Shasta Ok: Rune, THE Ka, Eonwe Good: Kath, Legate, Pitch, Loslote, Lalaith, Brinn |
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That’s not the best of signs to lose a Ranger in the earlier half of the game. On the flip side, I still wonder why Kit was rather honest in the last wee moments of Day 1 to G55’s bluff (unless just hoping that it could be left as a clue to others and hopefully never mentioned again? Yet it does the opposite and then is brought up half way through Day 2 until attempted to be hushed). I can see the merit in wanting to hint to villagers for keeping you around or swaying opinion to protect yourself, but at the same time that’s a big risk since the wolves are going to see it as well. Quote:
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That is what I call an unexpected surprise. Of course it also makes me wonder what if Mac's a wolf too?
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Oh and well, Evil side has control of the QT vote today as well. It will be interesting to see what vote they give us. Since the vote comes 2 hours before our own DL, with how our DL's go. I'm wondering if we try the "proposed vote" again today...like someone said, "fake vote" just sounds inaccurate. Then see what the evil QT vote gives us.
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On Hui's vocal opposition to the Brinnwagon and voting to save her: I think it's quite possible that he knew her to be innocent and was trying to make himself good in retrospect if she was lynched.
In #346 Greenie says there was something going on here, but Hui's defense of Brinn was too open for a wolf defending a packmate. In a way it is, but supposing the three of them to be packmates, it would make sense for her to try to dissociate Hui and Brinn in case either were lynched and found Infected.
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Lommy -> Macalaure Kath -> Inzil Lhuna -> Lommy Macalaure -> Lommy 2 QT -> Brinniel Greenie -> Macalaure 2 Legate -> Huinesoron Huinesoron -> Macalaure 3 Rune -> Loslote Kitanna -> Huinesoron 2 THE Ka -> Loslote 2 Pitchwife -> Huinesoron 3 Loslote -> Huinesoron 4 Sally -> Macalaure 4 Inzil -> Macalaure 5 Lalaith -> Huinesoron 5 Brinn -> Huinesoron 6 Boro -> Mac 6 Eönwë -> Huinesoron 7 Shasta -> Mac 7 Least suspicious votes of the Hui voters are Legate and Pitchwife. They were earlier and really got the ball rolling. Eonwe or Lalaith could possibly be wolf-on-wolf votes if they thought he was not worth saving. I'm somewhere in between the two on Lottie. Of the Mac voters, I find Inzil's to be most suspect, as his vote came smack dab in the middle. Lommy's vote seems least suspicious to me due to its timing. Shasta voted after any vote really mattered which doesn't tell me much. I think there could be another wolf hiding among this group - maybe Boro, Sally, or to a lesser extent Greenie. Five players did not vote either Hui or Mac and I feel fairly certain at least one is a baddie floating under the radar. Mac seems innocentish due to reasons I previously mentioned. I feel a little better about Kath because I agree with her suspicion of Inzil and he potentially could've been a lynch candidate at that point when she voted. Worse about Lhuna based on some of her posts yesterDay (including the parting comment about bandwagons). And I really go back and forth on Rune and Greenie - not sure what to think of them. This is a group I will probably take a better look at later this evening. X-ed with Lommy
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Oh the joys of social distancing – I actually spent my Friday night rereading the entire thread.
I feel like I developed tunnel vision throughout yesterDay (probably because I had less time while there was more going on in the thread) and was missing a lot of what was going on. I also wanted to look at the last two Days in light of Huin’s role and see who actually fits with him and who doesn’t. I haven’t included everything everyone said or did, just things that stood out to me – and even so this turned out to be the longest WW post I’ve ever written. Sorry Rune. Lommy - D1: G55, D2: Mac - Suspected by Huin both days but not voted by him at any point; Huin’s D1 suspicion becomes polite back and forth about exaggerating trademark behaviours as a cover - Suspects Huin for fabricated-seeming arguments, Boro for being non-confrontational and not himself, Pitch for grasping at straws, and Lottie, Kit and Rune for vague wrong-way rub (sidenote: if Lommy is a wolf, this would be a good category to lump a fellow in) - Later flip-flops about Lottie; would prefer not to lynch Lhuna or Rikae or “maybe not Pitch either” - D2 reminds village that Brinnwagon doesn’t mean Brinn is innocent; then analyses Rikae’s posts and concludes Mac looks worse than Brinn; says if Brinn is innocent Boro looks better and Lottie looks worse; suspects Lottie (wolfy pov) and Mac - Worried about Huin but says this is probably a thinking style thing and doesn’t think there’s any particular thing that looks suspicious; then later when he’s starting to emerge as a lynch candidate: “Well that would be a Plot Twist but not necessarily a bad one.” - Nervous about Lhuna’s “parting shot” - Speculates about a Mac-Lhuna-Greenie pack (I'm actually disappointed we don't have one as this would be epic!); thinks Inzil looks innocent - Has bad feeling about Huinwagon. Knee-jerk reaction: this makes me feel better about Lommy. A Lomwolf, minutes before deadline with the lynch of a fellow wolf imminent, probably wouldn’t say she has a bad feeling about the bandwagon against him and will look closer at it toMorrow. Or if she did it’s genius. - Overall impression: could be anything. Early back and forth suspicion with Huin looks just tame enough to be wolf-on-wolf, especially as they seemingly consider voting each other but don’t; also the whole “voting Huinesoron would be a plot twist but not necessarily bad” looks noncommittal enough to fit as well. On the other hand, as noted above, saying she has a bad feeling about the Huinwagon when it’s already established that he’s going to be lynched would be a weird move from a fellow wolf. In terms of interactions with others and general, non-Huin-related things, she has seemed a little jumpier than usual, like in her reaction to Lhuna’s “parting shot” – I read this as completely unrelated to Lommy and found it odd that she jumped on it. But at the same time, her arguments look reasonable and seem like they’re made from an innocent starting point. So I don’t know. (How fitting that I flip-flop on the Queen of Flip-Flops!) Legate - D1: Brinn, D2: Huin - Huin defends him and suggests he was set up in the discussion following the fake vote plan; Legate doesn’t believe he was being set up by Pitch or others, more suspicious of people who brought this up - D1 red zone Kit , Eonwe, Greenie and Huin; points out Huin’s G55 vote to save Brinn looks like a wolf saving a packmate - D2 continues Kit discussion by criticising it with a fairly long post; is questioned by Lalaith on why he criticised those who brought this up but still has Kit on his suspect list - Considers voting Huin, Lottie, or Brinn; first to bring voting Huin to the table - Overall impression: leaning innocent. He has suspected Huin from D1 and was the first to bring up voting for him on D2. Huin did defend him on D1, and I don’t really get his response to the whole Kit debacle, but his role in the Huin lynch makes it hard to see him as a wolf. Lottie - D1: G55, D2: Huin - Huin calls her ”somewhat suspicious” on D1 - Agrees with Huin’s G55/Pitch wolf pack -theory and later explicitly says she “finds herself agreeing with Huin a lot” – too blatant for packmates? Later says she would prefer to lynch G55 or Pitch over Brinn, and that she still thinks both G55 and Pitch are wolves; Lommy points out she seems very certain about this for D1 - Takes a ”voice of reason” role in argument between Rikae and G55 - D2 says wolves wouldn’t have rushed to save potential ranger – I might have read this wrong though. If I didn’t, this could imply a wish to make Sally look innocent - D1 flipflops on Brinn; D2 analyses Brinnwagon assuming Brinn is innocent, says it implicates Legate, Rune, and Mac; seems to have dropped suspicion of Pitch though does say “hasn’t ruled out” a Pitchwolf; later elaborates re: Brinn and says the voting patterns looked like wolves picking between two innocents - Boro points out Lottie and Inzil boxed the D1 vote between G55 and Brinn, and look suspicious regardless of Brinn’s role; Huin also brings up a connection between Lottie and Inzil, and says Lottie only looks suspicious in connection with Inzil. This makes me doubt both Inzil and Lottie are wolves. - Suspects participants in the Kit discussion, later elaborates on especially suspecting Inzil and adds lesser suspicions of Boro, Mac and Lommy. In a later post seems to forget Lhuna’s part in discussing Kit, admits this and says it’s a likely bias from getting a general innocent vibe of Lhuna from before - Says she gets sketchy vibe from Huin, not opposed to lynching him; later votes for him. - Overall impression: leaning innocent. I started off thinking Lottie is playing safe – others have pointed out that she seems to concentrate on topics that are already controversial, and that she seems almost too measured and consistent. Reading through, I do think there’s some merit to this but I have a hard time seeing her as Huin’s packmate; the D1 repeated and explicit agreeing with Huin doesn’t tally with an otherwise measured and careful Lottiewolf. She also votes for him on a “sketchy vibe” though she had previously expressed suspicion of the other potential lynchee (Mac) and so could have easily voted for him without looking like she was trying to save a packmate. (Unless Mac is a wolf too, in which case this wouldn’t matter.) Pitchwife - D1: Brinn, D2: Huin - Was somewhat suspected on D1 but this seemed to mostly evaporate overNight - Pinned fake vote plan on Legate – this actually looks reasonable on rereading as he specifically criticises Legate’s plan of a pre-DL DL. Huin suspects him for this and for Brinnwagoning both D1 and D2 - Also suspected by Rikae, more directly than I remembered; this could point to another possibility on why Rikae was targeted. - D1 suspects “pitchwagoners” Rikae, Brinn, Kitanna and Lottie. - D2 says Rikae kill “may implicate Brinn, except isn’t that almost too obvious?” – I don’t like this pot-stirring tone - D1 thinks Huin seems innocentish, D2 suspects Huin and votes for him - Fourth to bring up Kit but criticises Inzil for initiating it - Overall impression: leaning innocent. Pitch is another Huin-voter so another less likely pairing – especially given Huin’s persistent suspicion of him. Moreover, Huin’s continued focus on “the GLP” (which sounds like a government department btw) throughout D1 and well into D2 would be weird if it implicated a fellow wolf. Kath - D1: G55, D2: Inzil - Another voice of reason -type person; helpful and sensible, which doesn’t say anything about her role. I actually got very little out of Kath though she’s been quite active, and this is somewhat worrying. - D1 the only thing that stood out to me was that she was very relieved (I think she actually used that word) that Eonwe saw the fake vote plan the same way she did. Not much, but I think Kath/Eonwe is moderately unlikely as a wolf pair. - D2 suspects and votes for Inzil because of him bringing up and discussing Kit. - Overall impression: could be anything. Barely interacts with Huin, which could be coincidence (it’s a big village) or could be deliberate. Lhuna - D1 Lhuna, D2 Lommy - D1 uneasy about Brinn, Inzil, Kit, Mac and Boro; still votes herself - Third to bring up Kit on D2 - Brings up need to analyse G55 voters as well since she was also technically an innocent; thinks Kath looks fishy, Inzil suspiciously bandwagonny, Lottie sincere, Lommy wicked, tricksy, false, Brinn suspicious, speculates about possible Huin/Brinn pair - Might vote for Lommy, Brinn or Mac; settles on Lommy and makes a comment about bandwagons not starting with the first vote that Lommy and Boro find ominous - Initial thoughts: could be anything. No interaction with Huin aside from suggesting he could be in cahoots with Brinn for trying to save her on D1 – possibly not something their fellow would want to bring up if true, but then, it had already been suggested by others by that point so in itself tells us very little. I’m not sure where her suspicion of Lommy came from, and not comfortable with her role in discussing Kit. Inzil - D1: G55, D2: Mac - Suspected but not voted for by Huin on both days, chiefly for flying under the radar despite high post count - D1 trying to decide whether Legate or G55 makes him more uneasy; later says inclined to vote G55 - Doesn’t like Brinnwagon and says he is “always suspicious of sudden bandwagons” - D2 says Rikae being the first to vote Brinn is significant deciding factor for Night kill as it’s too early for wolves to make a frame kill. - First to bring up up Kit – either planned wolf move (possibly counting on Kit being lynched if left alone by wolves long enough?) or bad judgment call; later also pushes idea of a Kitwolf - Boro points out Lottie and Inzil boxed vote between G55 and Brinn, and says they are both suspicious regardless of Brinn’s role; the potential Lottie connection is also brought up by Huin - Says he could vote for Mac, Brinn or Lottie; says he isn’t at ease with Huin, but wouldn’t vote for him yet; votes Mac because he distrusts Lottie and Pitch – vote placement sketchy considering Huin’s role - Overall impression: very possible wolf. Vote ideally placed for trying to save Huin, while saying he “isn’t at ease with Huin” works to make it look less like an effort to save a fellow. Meanwhile, Huin suspected him on both days but, like with Lommy, didn’t actually vote for him. Also the poking of Kitanna looks bad. Boro - D1: Pitchwife, D2: Mac - Somewhat noncommittal and weird Day 1, much more engaged Day 2 - D1 fake votes Legate, switches to Pitch for “playing both sides” and sowing suspicion against both G55 and Legate - D2 started with assuming Brinn is a wolf but then later seems to accept her behaviour as innocentish; possibly the earlier “assuming she is a wolf” was to test how she would react? - Huin calls him somewhat suspicious on D1 and on D2 Huin gets unarticulated bad vibes and lists him as one of his top suspects - Says he doesn’t want to lynch Lommy, Huin or Inzil; votes Mac - Overall impression: could be anything. I’m finding it hard to follow his reasoning in this game. Interactions with Huin could go either way – Huin suspects him but doesn’t do much about it while he says he doesn’t want Huin lynched, all of which isn't incompatible with wolf-on-wolf. My gut feeling says innocent but so far I haven’t seen anything that would prove it. Lalaith - D1: no vote, D2: Huin - D2: says Greenie, Sally & Inzil feel honest, flipflops about Mac, wary of Legate, takes issue with Brinn’s analysis of the Night kill; later suspicious of Legate and thinks Pitch isn’t getting enough attention despite being on Rikae’s list. The point about Pitch is legitimate. - Votes Huin because trusts Kit, doesn’t like the options as Legate is her top suspect. - Overall impression: leaning innocent. Voting for a fellow wolf while saying you don’t really want to doesn’t make sense to me. She had mentioned Mac before and could easily have come up with a reason to pick him over Huin (although, as with Lottie, if Mac is a wolf too this doesn't mean anything). Also independent thinking and her reactions to the whole Kit thing seem sensible to me. Brinniel - D1: G55, D2: Huin - Huin first calls her ”somewhat suspicious” on D1 – then later explicitly defends her to the point that he says he votes G55 to save her – this is maybe even too explicit for packmates? - D1 wary of G55 and Pitch but doesn’t want to be involved in lynching them as fears being manipulated into it by wolves; says she would go for Inzil; says Pitchwife is most suspicious out of GLP but also that she wants to have a look at those building a case against Pitchwife; later says inclined to vote Kit after a reread of her posts - D2 somewhat paranoid about Rikae kill – though Lommy had good point about Rikae’s suspicion of her not looking like a Seer with a known wolf - “Slightly worried” about Huin on D2; votes for him because prefers him to Mac as a lynchee - Overall impression: possible wolf. Huin’s defensiveness of her is an obvious red flag, though so obvious it’s almost implausible. Her vote for him also makes them slightly less likely packmates (though again, Mac's role does impact this). On the other hand, she does seem over-concerned about not being implicated in anything suspicious. Sigh. I’m inclined to look elsewhere toDay just to keep from getting stuck in my old rut again. Eönwë - D1: Urwen, D2: Huin - D1 noticeably careful and diplomatic: points out Lommy, Zil and Brinn are standing in the sidelines of GLP and wouldn’t be surprised if there was a wolf among them; “unsure” about G55 and Boro; doesn’t voice any outright suspicions on D1, votes Urwen which was a very safe place to go - D2 speculates on possible wolf pairings – suggests Pitch/Boro and if Brinn is a wolf, either Legate or THE Ka as her packmate due to safe-ish wolf-on-wolf vote placing - Brings up Shasta’s reaction to Kit and even half-heartedly speculates they are wolves together – this looks like a further attempt to distract from Kit’s slip and makes him look better; later when it’s out in the open brings up how this exchange makes Shasta look innocent - Lists Lommy and Boro under alarm bells, says hasn’t taken Kit off the hook - Near DL says Mac looks better and doesn’t suspect Lottie, could vote Brinn or Huin; tie-breaker vote for Huin - Overall impression: likely innocent. His vote broke the tie in favour of lynching Huin (again final judgment on this depends on Mac), and his reactions to Shasta and Kit look like something that an innocent would do but that wouldn’t necessarily occur to a wolf. Not sure why he didn’t take Kit off the hook, though. Macalaure - D1: Brinn, D2: Lommy - D1 doesn’t like GLP gaining momentum - D2 paranoid about Rikae kill, and has somewhat wolfish thought processes (convenient evolution of his Brinn suspicion on D1, complex theory about G55 and Rikae and wolf ploy to frame him on D2); interestingly, had joking suicidal tendencies already on D1 when he fake voted himself. This makes me feel a bit better about him actually. - Reaction to being potential lynch fodder more resigned than desperate, acting more normal towards the end of the Day - D1 Huin repeatedly says he doesn’t see why Mac is suspicious, and seems to think Mac is suspected more than he actually was at that point; meanwhile Mac says Huin seems reasonable. Then on D2 Mac is one of Huin’s top suspects and is voted by him. - Suspects Greenie and Lommy; later lists Huin under “very bad” along with me, but this is after he had already voted so couldn’t act on it. - Overall impression: still possible wolf. Huin’s defence of Mac and exaggeration of how much Mac was suspected could be nervous packmate behaviour, but as with Brinn, it’s almost too blatant. Then on D2 they both suspect each other, though Mac suspects Huin only after he has already voted for Lommy. Huin’s vote for Mac doesn’t necessarily tell us much either way, as his own head was on the block by then. Aside from Huin, the paranoid theories about Rikae and Cobbler55 still don’t sit right with me. But again as with Brinn, I’ll try to look elsewhere too today. Rune - D1: Brinn, D2: Lottie - Sensible, to the point, unalarming; goes against the flow - D1 suspects Kitanna and Eonwe, thinks the case against Brinn has merit; wants to vote Eonwe but decides on Brinn as a self-proclaimed pragmatist. - Overall impression: gut says innocent, but could be anything. Barely interacts with Huin, again could be coincidence given the size of the village or could be deliberate distancing. THE Ka - D1: Brinn, D2: Lottie - Calm, careful and reasonable, keeps out of arguments - Suspects Brinn and Lottie for playing it safe on D1; points out Lottie’s overt support of Huin; if Lottie does turn out to be a wolf after all, this makes me feel better about Ka - D2 is the second to initially point out Kit’s slip, but doesn’t take part in the later discussion about it with Kit herself - Suspects Lottie for playing safe, polished, too consistent - Overall impression: could be anything. Barely interacts with Huin. Arguments against Lottie seem solid. I don’t like how she seconded Inzil’s pointing to Kit; though if Inzil turns out to be guilty, this looks better on Ka, because for two wolves to implicate themselves in initially drawing attention to a Gifted this way would be unnecessarily risky. Sally - D1: Brinn, D2: Mac - Not much to go on D1. - D2 suspects Eonwe, Mac, Lottie and halfheartedly Brinn; Lommy points out her choices are very uncontroversial; wants to vote Lottie or Mac, ends up with Mac because of “better odds”. Sketchy in light of Huin’s role. - Overall impression: possible wolf. Doesn’t interact with Huin. Not really enough to base a proper analysis on, but the safe suspect choices, combined with a vote that would have been ideally placed to try to save Huin, do make her look pretty suspicious at the moment. Shasta - D1: Pitch, D2: Mac - Psychic about G55 and Rikae; fake votes Lommy (“first real ping”) - Pretty much the only sensible innocent reaction to Kit (aside from those who didn’t say anything) - D2 okay to vote Brinn, Mac or Pitch, feels good about Eonwe and Lottie; votes Mac “for the aesthetic”, Huin already a goner by this point - Overall impression: leaning innocent, mainly on account of a general gut feeling and his attempt to subtly protect Kit. Doesn’t really interact with Huin, and his vote doesn’t mean much since he knew it wouldn’t have changed anything either way.
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I mean sure, Mac has been one of the main suspects toDay but it could still go numerous ways with more than 2h to go and merely a handful of votes cast.
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