Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXV: On the Borders of Mirkwood - Dead Thread

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Shasta

I think it's entirely possible we're too close to numbers being even to discount the use of the Medium vote as what it actually is - a vote.

Yesssss Shasta thank you.

I can't see Lommy's 'let's muddy the waters on what their votes mean' as anything but wolfish. For bonus points, her 'we think this is stupid' Medium is Pitch - who under Mac's scheme implicates a known innocent.

I think the wolves spotted the Seer-post ((after all, they know who Greenie would see as innocent or guilty!). That means they know Greenie had no known wolves before last Night, and they must suspect she dreamed of Legate. The Seer post hinted at Lommy as last Night's dream - and by Mac's plan, a Lommy wolf would be signalled by a vote for Brinn, which is the easiest to disregard as trolling.

Come to think of it, pointing the finger at Mac by empowering Nilp is also easy to dismiss - 'they were just supporting the person we all know is innocent!'. So it's only Kath who's in danger.

hS

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Because we need to lynch a wolf toDay, not toMorrow. ToMorrow may be too late. If we mislynch toDay and the Ranger fails to foil the Night kill it'll be 3:1:3 toMorrow - in which case the Wolves could just come out and call on the cobbler's support to lynch anybody they like.
I'm getting really really suspicious of Mac right now.

And there's the issue right there. A "known wolf" toMorrow is too late. They NEED to lynch a wolf toDay. Mac and Kath keep insisting there's a known wolf to discover this way, but in the mean time, they're not helping anyone find the actual wolves on the Day it matters.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pitch

If we mislynch toDay and the Ranger fails to foil the Night kill it'll be 3:1:3 toMorrow - in which case the Wolves could just come out and call on the cobbler's support to lynch anybody they like.

Uh-huh. And we can only help if all 3 innocents vote before all 4 evils.

I assume the Wolves will kill Nilp tonight, since it seems the Ranger protected him last Night. So it would be really nice if we could kill one of them today and not lose...

hS

[Loslote]

Really wishing we could just vote for someone instead of Mediumizing like last game. But that would be too easy...

[Loslote]

Stop with the "empower x" lists, please!!

[Loslote]

Stop. Talking. About. The. Lists!!! Who are you voting for TODAY???

[Formendacil]

The obsession with finding out who Greenie might have dreamed of on Night 4 when they have not figured out the clues she left for the three other Nights is... troubling.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

The obsession with finding out who Greenie might have dreamed of on Night 4 when they have not figured out the clues she left for the three other Nights is... troubling.

Right??? And why in the world is no one talking about who they're going to vote toDay???

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Kath

I find myself in agreement with Mac and in opposition to particularly Pitch and a bit less Rikae and Shasta. That kind of naturally pushes me to feeling ok about Mac and not good about Pitch.

There it is! The wolves are pushing Pitch. The innocents NEED to come together and push against the wolves NOW.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Stop with the "empower x" lists, please!!

Now absolutely honestly and disregarding the particularities of this game, of my role, and whether or not this helps anyone - I generally think "using the Dead Thread as channel for lists" is, for lack of better word, un-classy. As long as the Dead can use the Medium to speak their mind freely, that's good, but making the Dead Thread into an instrument, like a computer that just spits out a result after we feed it data, I generally don't like. I actually think that was the reason why Nog originally in his previous game decided not to go the empowering vote-route (because this has been done before, and more often), but to make the Dead vote straightaway. I mean, this is okay - nothing against it - and it can be used for various shenanigans by both parties (and I remember a game when the Living gave a list, then they changed it after the Dead already voted according to the previous list and the Dead would have strangled all the Living in their sleep if they could) - but I think Nog was onto something when he picked a different route.

I'm having an interesting idea - making the Dead disempower a person with their vote (making it count as zero). I mean, it would be perfect ventilation for frustration of the Dead players, could be used to communicate, etc. If I mod again, I'm gonna explore that possibility. (But if anyone wants... think about it. I think it's a nice idea. Maybe it has downsides. Likely it has. Haven't thought of them yet.)

Originally Posted by Loslote

Right??? And why in the world is no one talking about who they're going to vote toDay???

Because that's what people do. To be fair, I think - and after reading this thread I felt reassured in that opinion - that the Dead perceive things differently than the Living. When you are Living, everything until about one hour before you have to vote feels like plenty of time. There's time for everything. Then yes, of course, suddenly you are in a hurry. But you didn't realise it before. There was time to discuss everything in the world from Gifteds and Cobblers and lists to Wolf manicure.

When you're in the DT, you're just waiting... and waiting... and waiting for the bloody Living to say something concrete, and they... just don't. Because time simply passes differently if you're already in the Beyond, seeing everything from the perspective of Eternity rather than living every moment and every post as if it could be your last! Ha! I'm onto some metaphysical revelations here, possibly.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Sorry for not being with your sooner, I had a surprisingly busy day (but I spent part of it right after waking up by reading up on most of this thread - which was before everything else came tumbling down on me. But I must say, delightful read)!

I will try to do my best to make up for everything by accompanying you now, my dear, clueless friends.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Another result that would make me disappear from the planet for a few lifetimes in shame would be seeing Legate here.

I am very glad you did not have to do that back then, Nog! Incidentally, first thing I wanted to do once I got here was to apologise for contributing to your lynch, except... except I realised if I speak strictly and only for myself, I was being perfectly genuine in my intent of lynching you, so... that would be hypocritical of me. But I could say that I would not have minded having you around longer and could have lynched someone else had there been better targets available. To pick one good example for all, in retrospect I would not mind hadGreenie been lynched already then

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

I agree, Form. I'd like to vote that we have a Dead Thread every game, even if the Dead play no role. Just to chat.

Let me just absolutely second... third... tend (?!?) this. I think a DT should always exist, even if for only discussion, however I think it would be better that it should have some power (and obligation) so it motivates and gives the players a purpose, and isn't just empty talk.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I mean granted so far this is just dead villagers, but it is a uniting force you don't get as a "live" player. And just my luck these are the only games I'm immortal in and never die

Then we just gotta keep doing it every game, one Day, you are gonna die early...

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Some day I want to mod a game.

Well, once this is over...?

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

My guess is Legate is a Wolf. Greenie is the Seer. Greenie is dying tonight.

That was pretty impressive.

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Well, once this is over...?

The rules say mods have to have seven games under their belt and I don't think I do. However, modding would be significantly easier than playing.

But if I do mod I think I'd make a rule that the living can't communicate with the dead.

[Loslote]

Shasta voted Mac. Every single innocent has to follow now, or the wolves can swing it.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Shasta voted Mac. Every single innocent has to follow now, or the wolves can swing it.

On the plus side, if things come down to a tie, we can empower Shasta and the Mac-waggon win the tiebreaker.

So even if all the Wolves vote together, we only need one vote for Mac (and for the cobbler/other innocent to split their votes elsewhere).

[Loslote]

I think we need to tell the living that Lommy is a wolf. They don't seem to be suspecting her, like, at all. So if Rikae votes for Mac, I think we need to Mediumize them.

[A Little Green]

WHAT ON EARTH ARE THEY DOING???????????????

Like - they were handed a dead wolf and a dead Seer in one go, and instead of trying to figure out who the remaining wolves (or at least previously dreamed innocents) are, they spend the entire Day debating increasingly convoluted ways to communicate with us? Seriously the wolves deserve to win this one.

Originally Posted by Lottie

I think we need to tell the living that Lommy is a wolf. They don't seem to be suspecting her, like, at all. So if Rikae votes for Mac, I think we need to Mediumize them.

This makes sense. Which list are we using again? Rikae's? I lost track Basically I'm happy mediumising anyone who votes for Mac, extra points if it makes them look at Lommy too.

Originally Posted by Lottie

If the Ranger is Shasta or Pitch, and they direct the innocents to vote for Mac or Kath, I'd be all for it.

Well we know it isn't Shasta (sadly, since a Ranger reveal might have made the rest of them listen to him ).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

WHAT ON EARTH ARE THEY DOING???????????????

Like - they were handed a dead wolf and a dead Seer in one go, and instead of trying to figure out who the remaining wolves (or at least previously dreamed innocents) are, they spend the entire Day debating increasingly convoluted ways to communicate with us? Seriously the wolves deserve to win this one.

I'm with you on that one