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I presume then, that Tom Bombadil was destroyed when the One Ring went into the fire. Gandalf clearly hid this fact from the Hobbits by refusing to take them with him into the Old Forest. 'Away to see Tom' indeed!
![]() Or maybe Bombadil wasn't destroyed, and the War betwixt Gandalf and Sauron continued into the Fourth Age.
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And why do you think he went to the forest? To make sure the finger was gone, of course!
But why would Saurons finger help Frodo?
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Frodo gave him a half-off coupon for a manicure at "Hard as Nails."
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My crackpot theory...
The finger remained where it had fallen. It lay unnoticed by orcs, for when the ring was removed it became invisible. (you see, the ring had the opposite effect on Sauron. Instead of making him invisible, it made him visible. This is the reason the ring was created in the first place, Sauron grew tired of being sat upon.) When Sauron returned, all he could find of his body was the finger. As it was much too small (not to mention lacking arms, legs, and other convenient parts) he could not reinhabit the finger, so he had the orcs build a tower to look like the finger. This tower was Barad-Dur. He put the finger in a glass case in the heart of the tower. This confused the orcs, seeing only a seemingly empty glass case, but they dared not question their great master. So there the finger remained. When Barad-Dur collapsed after the destruction of the ring, the finger was buried under the rubble. Over thousands of years, the rubble was covered with dirt, and more dirt, and became a mountain. Under this mountain, the finger of Sauron remains today.
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Sauron, of course, complained of a mssing finger while playing "Rock, Paper, Scissor" with Morgoth. Or perhaps, with the One Ring undone, he returned to his original form and startled Goldberry, who threw him into some river. Gandalf came and saw Goldberry single again, and they lived happily ever after. No, wait Gandalf returned to Valinor. ![]()
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*Or perhaps, with the One Ring undone, he returned to his original form and startled Goldberry, who threw him into some river. Gandalf came and saw Goldberry single again, and they lived happily ever after.
No, wait Gandalf returned to Valinor. Middle-earth is full of such sadness.* So he turned her into a newt and snuck her along in his pocket...pouch...carrying-thing. Once they got to Valinor she got better and after a long discussion with the Valar she was allowed to remain with Gandalf on the condition that she remain amphibious and must submerge herself in water for eight hours a day. She agreed, and they lived happily ever after; the end. ![]()
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Ah yes, I believe you are most correct, except it is unknown what particular animal she was turned into by Gandalf. Some say it was a baby Iguana, other speculations are that is was a toad. But yes, there is a significant amount of evidence that she was in fact turned into a newt. There are numerous classes developing in Universities across the world, and some of the best research at Oxford.
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Interesting, Nimrothiel.
![]() Going back to Kransha's theory and Cirith Knukol...how then could a hobbit-destroying - or devouring - finger turn into Bombadil? Is it because, during the course of the hobbits' digestion, the Finger grew in size and assimilated the life-force - for lack of better words - of the hobbits, thus gaining their jolly disposition and rotund belly? I would find such an act unforgivable, despite the acts of kindness done later to Frodo's company. Or perhaps the hobbits also experienced Stockholm syndrome...nah!
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