Did Bill Ferny die? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 09-17-2004, 01:59 PM

No twin brother, but a twin sister, I am lead to believe.

Speaking of Bill the Pony's remarkable survival in the Wild, I am fairly impressed. Although I don't believe that The Watcher in the Water was interested in the Pony, despite his tender flesh.

This is more of interest to the Wargs of the area. Rest assured, Bill the Pony could not survive an assault by one Warg, let alone a pack of Wargs. Thus, I must assume that the Wargs actually helped Bill the Pony, or at least did not hinder him.

For more information about Wargs, you know who to ask.

But the relevant point I am trying to get across here is that Bill the Pony was not a remarkable Pony, but a normal beast of burden. Thus I doubt he would have killed Bill Ferny with that kick.

Lachwen · 09-20-2004, 07:41 PM

But why would Wargs pass up such easy prey as Bill the Pony? My impression of Wargs (at least in regards to food) is the same as with Boy Scouts: if there is food, whether they are hungry or not, they will eat it. So what reason would they have to not hinder (or even actively help) Bill? Could they have been an outcast pack of vegitarian Wargs?

Mithalwen · 09-21-2004, 12:27 PM

Indeed I also am puzzled as to why they spared his life... there wasn't exactly a surfeit of food in Eregion at tbat time... I think we need further explanation if my "Bill the Ninja pony theory" is discounted.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 09-21-2004, 01:35 PM

Have you two never visited The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread? There you will find a glut of information about Wargs and you will come to realise that they are arguably the most complex creatures in any of Tolkien's stories.

Bill the Pony was fortunate enough not to run into any of the fallen Wargs, creatures who would have torn Bill apart before you can say Blimey! My leg's been bitten off!

But maybe I am making a terrible mistake in my reasoning. After all, Gimli the Dwarf would not have survived a Warg attack if he was on his lonesome, yet he would have no problems in finishing off Bill Ferny quicker than you could say, uh, Crikey! Isn't that a Breelander's head flying past my window?

This conundrum baffles me. As well as it might, being a conundrum and all.

Lachwen · 09-21-2004, 10:34 PM

I must have missed something - when did Gimli get involved here?

And no, I have not yet read the Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread, because its largeness frightens me. I am tiny and easily intimidated (or so I would like others to believe...mua-ha-ha!).

Mithalwen · 09-22-2004, 11:14 AM

I did dip into the WAWRAT but its scale (both in volume and erudition) daunted me also. But am I to take it that not fallen wargs would let Bill on his way quietly?...

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 09-23-2004, 09:47 AM

It's alright Lachwen, I merely used Gimli as an example to show that Bill the Pony perhaps could kill Bill Ferny with his kick, a notion I had previously doubted.

Yes Mithalwen, you are correct in assuming that noble Wargs would not have hindered Bill's journey home. They would have more likely taught him deep philosophy than eaten him.

09-17-2004, 01:59 PM	#1
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	No twin brother, but a twin sister, I am lead to believe. Speaking of Bill the Pony's remarkable survival in the Wild, I am fairly impressed. Although I don't believe that The Watcher in the Water was interested in the Pony, despite his tender flesh. This is more of interest to the Wargs of the area. Rest assured, Bill the Pony could not survive an assault by one Warg, let alone a pack of Wargs. Thus, I must assume that the Wargs actually helped Bill the Pony, or at least did not hinder him. For more information about Wargs, you know who to ask. But the relevant point I am trying to get across here is that Bill the Pony was not a remarkable Pony, but a normal beast of burden. Thus I doubt he would have killed Bill Ferny with that kick. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

09-20-2004, 07:41 PM	#2
Lachwen Wight Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Greenwood the Great. Posts: 115	But why would Wargs pass up such easy prey as Bill the Pony? My impression of Wargs (at least in regards to food) is the same as with Boy Scouts: if there is food, whether they are hungry or not, they will eat it. So what reason would they have to not hinder (or even actively help) Bill? Could they have been an outcast pack of vegitarian Wargs? __________________ "'...Home is the sailor, home from the sea, And the hunter home from the hill.'"

09-21-2004, 12:27 PM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Indeed I also am puzzled as to why they spared his life... there wasn't exactly a surfeit of food in Eregion at tbat time... I think we need further explanation if my "Bill the Ninja pony theory" is discounted. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-21-2004, 01:35 PM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	The noble Warg Have you two never visited The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread? There you will find a glut of information about Wargs and you will come to realise that they are arguably the most complex creatures in any of Tolkien's stories. Bill the Pony was fortunate enough not to run into any of the fallen Wargs, creatures who would have torn Bill apart before you can say Blimey! My leg's been bitten off! But maybe I am making a terrible mistake in my reasoning. After all, Gimli the Dwarf would not have survived a Warg attack if he was on his lonesome, yet he would have no problems in finishing off Bill Ferny quicker than you could say, uh, Crikey! Isn't that a Breelander's head flying past my window? This conundrum baffles me. As well as it might, being a conundrum and all. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

09-21-2004, 10:34 PM	#5
Lachwen Wight Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Greenwood the Great. Posts: 115	I must have missed something - when did Gimli get involved here? And no, I have not yet read the Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread, because its largeness frightens me. I am tiny and easily intimidated (or so I would like others to believe...mua-ha-ha!). __________________ "'...Home is the sailor, home from the sea, And the hunter home from the hill.'"

09-22-2004, 11:14 AM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I did dip into the WAWRAT but its scale (both in volume and erudition) daunted me also. But am I to take it that not fallen wargs would let Bill on his way quietly?... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-23-2004, 09:47 AM	#7
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	It's alright Lachwen, I merely used Gimli as an example to show that Bill the Pony perhaps could kill Bill Ferny with his kick, a notion I had previously doubted. Yes Mithalwen, you are correct in assuming that noble Wargs would not have hindered Bill's journey home. They would have more likely taught him deep philosophy than eaten him. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond