Tol-in-Gaurhoth III (The Saga Continues...)

[the phantom]

Personally, I do regard a overly defensive behaviour as a possible sign of guilt, because in my view Villagers shoud be prepared to die

But only for a good reason, my dear SP.

My death offered nothing since both of my previous votes had been forced, not to mention, as someone pointed out on that day, I was very distanced from everyone else so my death would not implicate anyone.

Even if you do think that we should consider how people say things, how something was said should never take precedence over what was said.

The primary charges leveled against me on day three were 1) I had received votes before, 2) I had voted for the two people who were lynched, and 3) they had voted for me, too.

I demonstrated quite logically that those three points were meaningless (now that the game is over I hope everyone can now see that), but since people were letting what was said to take a back seat to other things, my logic went right past them.

Then, hoping that people would take notice of the substance of my arguments, I repeated them all with a raised voice. But it did not make them listen. Instead, they said that raising my voice made me look guiltier.

At that point I wanted to strangle everyone and began to feel rather hostile towards my own village, so I screamed my arguments again out of desperation hoping that what I said would finally be noticed.

But the what remained firmly behind the how in the minds of the villagers, and I was lynched.

Not putting an emphasis on what I said resulted in an extremely useless slaying, and I imagine that similar behavior will result in similar results in future games.

[mormegil]

The primary charges leveled against me on day three were 1) I had received votes before, 2) I had voted for the two people who were lynched, and 3) they had voted for me, too.

I demonstrated quite logically that those three points were meaningless (now that the game is over I hope everyone can now see that), but since people were letting what was said to take a back seat to other things, my logic went right past them.

Feeling that this comment is directed at me I will say that those weren't the primary factors in my vote. I suspected you since day 1. My main suspicion was based on you notorious flip-flop with your reasoning given. Also you have stated that votes are solid evidence so why not look at the fact that you voted for two innocents whether your vote was "forced" or not. It's easy to say that you were forced to vote that way but it could have also been that you were a wolf and were waiitng to see who you could kill to save yourself.

[Shelob]

"Shelob saved our p.m.'s, so she could find out specifically why we chose you, Mormegil, on that particular night." ~Holbytlass

Yes I did, unfortunately due to being rushed often they're not all in order...which makes reading them a headache...

If you are curious though the reasoning behind Mormegil's death was that either Mormegil or Fordim would be the best kill that night and that Fordim was probably "out of the running for our next kill because he has hit closest so far and it would be suspicious for him to die...we'll risk a lot keeping him alive I just think we'll risk more should we kill him..."

If you want for us to go through and list why we killed who we killed I'll gladly do it, but unfortunately I likely own't be able to get it posted before saturday morning (I've work this evening and school tomorrow--so maybe Friday evening I can do it)...but let me know.

[the guy who be short]

I would like to know if there was more behind choosing me that first night than just randomly pointing a finger. However, I'm in no hurry, so take your time.

[the phantom]

Feeling that this comment is directed at me

You weren't the only one, so don't take the entire weight of my comments upon yourself. There are those you should share it with.

My main suspicion was based on you notorious flip-flop with your reasoning given.

Then why did you not mention it even once on the day you lynched me?

You asked why I did it on day one and I explained my reasoning, and I considered it pretty much burried after that. Plus, why would you be more suspicious of someone who had reversed positions on a seer-killing plan more than someone who had written a seer-killing plan? If that day one plan was you big concern, you definitely should've been gunning for Fordim.

But since you didn't mention it on day three I don't see how it was a factor.

However, I can see how someone looking back trying to justify their vote could think "Hmm, well... I must've suspected him because of that day one flip-flop. Yeah- that must've been it" when actually you weren't thinking about that at the time I was lynched.

I'm not sure if that is the case with you or not. Either way, it seems odd that my reaction to the plan was never mentioned if it was indeed the primary reason for your vote.

Also you have stated that votes are solid evidence so why not look at the fact that you voted for two innocents whether your vote was "forced" or not.

The fact that it was forced is what makes all the difference!

If there is no choice involved then there can be no guilt assigned.

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

My dear dear Phantom.

Still at it, I see.

Rather than expending all your energy on explaining why we shouldn't have found you a suspicious character, perhaps it would be better spent on looking in the mirror and deciding how to amend your gamesmanship so that you do not appear guilty in the future....

[the phantom]

perhaps it would be better spent on looking in the mirror and deciding how to amend your gamesmanship so that you do not appear guilty in the future....

Well, if I were to assume that I was at fault, my corrective action would have to be this- in the future, if someone accuses me of being guilty for a non-reason, I should not object.

Hmm... that sounds like a very silly plan, Fordim.

It is an indisputable fact that the main reasons people stated for lynching me on day three, while I'm sure they sounded good upon first hearing, do not logically hold any water when examined carefully.

It is ludicrous to expect someone to sit back and accept such a thing.

If, in the next game, several people say they think you are a wolf because your name starts with an "F", would you honestly not tell everyone "That is a very silly reason!"?

Of course you would tell them that, and I would be right there beside you telling them to leave you alone.

When false evidence is used to sentence someone to death, the rational reaction is to jump up and point it out.

When it appears that your objections were not understood, it is the rational reaction to restate it again forcefully.

When the second attempt is seemingly ignored, it is the rational reaction to become completely frustrated and desperate.

Why should I amend my completely rational behavior?

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Good game, all! I'm sorry I wasn't more active, but my real, non-Storyland life got in the way big time. Now, summer is here and school is pretty much over! So I will be able to be much more active next time around. (And I'd better be, too, what with the new rule!)

I'm actually astounded that I wasn't lynched or dismembered sooner. Of the quiet people, I was the quietest, and sometimes was missing from the vote entirely. I didn't at all expect to last as long as I did.

[The Saucepan Man]

The phantom is getting defensive again. I am suspicious of him.

As I have said, phantom, I had no particular reason to suspect you, and my vote was primarily based on self-preservation. But the vigour with which you defended yourself on that day did make me wonder whether we might finally have found a Wolf. It's perfectly proper to point out why you think the accusations being made against you are groundless, but to do so repetitively and at length seemed to me to be strange. As an innocent Villager, I feel that one eventually has to accept either that people have taken one's points on board and dismissed them (rightly or wrongly) or that they are never going to take them on board, and concentrate instead on developing alternative theories. But everyone has a different approach, as I said earlier.

I did feel at the time that the Villagers made a mistake in only giving serious consideration to two Villagers that day (you and me - both innocent), but that was because I knew that I was innocent and had no strong reason to suspect you. However, I can see and understand why it happened that way.

We all feel rather aggrieved when we are wrongly lynched. We think the other Villagers are silly to do so because we know we are innocent and that such evidence as there is pointing at us is circumstantial. But there's no point in taking it too personally. And it seems rather redundant to continue making the arguments now that the game is over. The fact is, whatever the merits of your arguments, a sufficent number of innocent Villagers rejected them to result in your being lynched.