Middle Earth "afterlife" - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Formendacil · 12-29-2005, 01:56 AM

As an addendum, to build on and clarify what Legolas just said regarding the choice of Elwing and Earendil: it was not a seperate choice from that of their sons, Elrond and Elros, but a choice put to the entire family at that time.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 12-29-2005, 02:22 AM

(Many thanks to Farael for the idea.)

I think Hell in Eä is any place where a being cannot fulfil his proper state. For example, the Nazgûl and the Dead Men of Dunharrow were denied their gift to escape the world; thus their continued existence on Arda is hellish to them. (Although Lalwendë pointed out that the Dead Men were allowed to depart after some tasks . . . hmmm . . . Purgatory, then?) Saruman, denied entry to the West from which he came (and to which he expected to return), is considered in Hell. Now, to the rest of those living in ME, they won't consider ME Hell, but to these people, ME is Hell, just because they aren't supposed to be there.

Speaking of Nazgûl, Lal pointed out the Halls of Lamentation mentioned during the Witch-King's debate with Éowyn. Perhaps it is not an actual place, but a state of existence similar to them. (Does he have more of that Morgul blade thing, then?)

About Orcs . . . well, maybe I'll come back to the topic later, when I've purged the thoughts of Sai and Naruto battling from my mind.

Elu Ancalime · 12-29-2005, 04:22 PM

Perhaps this thread should split into an 'Orc Afterlife thread' and a Half elven thread, because i might be a bit confusing overlapping these topics
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Thinlómien · 01-01-2006, 01:30 PM

Actually about dwarf afterlife it is said (where, I don't remember) that they themselves believe that after their deaths they will go to Aulë and at the end they will be treated as the Children. WARNING: Don't consider this a fact, because I'm not sure, especially about the later part.

Legolas · 01-01-2006, 02:05 PM

You're right. They believed they had their own section in Mandos, and after the final battle and destruction of Arda, they would help Aule rebuild the world.

The 1,000 Reader · 01-01-2006, 06:17 PM

Someone mentioned earlier that orcs were like animals. Well, seeing as how animals don't exist after death, is it possible that orcs don't exist after death? They are too far gone to return to elves, so is it possible that Eru just got rid of them completely?

Lindolirian · 01-01-2006, 09:20 PM

I think Heren-Istarion can help you with your questions about Orcs.

12-29-2005, 01:56 AM	#1
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	As an addendum, to build on and clarify what Legolas just said regarding the choice of Elwing and Earendil: it was not a seperate choice from that of their sons, Elrond and Elros, but a choice put to the entire family at that time. __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

12-29-2005, 02:22 AM	#2
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Hell as psychological punishment. (Many thanks to Farael for the idea.) I think Hell in Eä is any place where a being cannot fulfil his proper state. For example, the Nazgûl and the Dead Men of Dunharrow were denied their gift to escape the world; thus their continued existence on Arda is hellish to them. (Although Lalwendë pointed out that the Dead Men were allowed to depart after some tasks . . . hmmm . . . Purgatory, then?) Saruman, denied entry to the West from which he came (and to which he expected to return), is considered in Hell. Now, to the rest of those living in ME, they won't consider ME Hell, but to these people, ME is Hell, just because they aren't supposed to be there. Speaking of Nazgûl, Lal pointed out the Halls of Lamentation mentioned during the Witch-King's debate with Éowyn. Perhaps it is not an actual place, but a state of existence similar to them. (Does he have more of that Morgul blade thing, then?) About Orcs . . . well, maybe I'll come back to the topic later, when I've purged the thoughts of Sai and Naruto battling from my mind. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good... Last edited by Nilpaurion Felagund; 12-29-2005 at 03:23 AM. Reason: adding stuff

12-29-2005, 04:22 PM	#3
Elu Ancalime Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anador Posts: 476	Perhaps this thread should split into an 'Orc Afterlife thread' and a Half elven thread, because i might be a bit confusing overlapping these topics ________ AVANZA Last edited by Elu Ancalime; 03-03-2011 at 10:33 PM.

01-01-2006, 01:30 PM	#4
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Actually about dwarf afterlife it is said (where, I don't remember) that they themselves believe that after their deaths they will go to Aulë and at the end they will be treated as the Children. WARNING: Don't consider this a fact, because I'm not sure, especially about the later part. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

01-01-2006, 02:05 PM	#5
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	You're right. They believed they had their own section in Mandos, and after the final battle and destruction of Arda, they would help Aule rebuild the world. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

01-01-2006, 06:17 PM	#6
The 1,000 Reader Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps. Posts: 527	Someone mentioned earlier that orcs were like animals. Well, seeing as how animals don't exist after death, is it possible that orcs don't exist after death? They are too far gone to return to elves, so is it possible that Eru just got rid of them completely? __________________ "And forth went Morgoth, and he was halted by the elves. Then went Sauron, who was stopped by a dog and then aged men. Finally, there came the Witch-King, who destroyed Arnor, but nobody seems to remember that." -A History of Villains

01-01-2006, 09:20 PM	#7
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	I think Heren-Istarion can help you with your questions about Orcs. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."