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Old 04-15-2006, 08:23 PM   #1
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Maybe not great as in woohoo, but important: Deagol going fishing?

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Old 04-17-2006, 08:27 AM   #2
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Just remembered the Hobbit archers that fought against Angmar.
Sure, their effect was slim to none, but a valiant deed this was.
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Old 04-17-2006, 08:38 AM   #3
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I don't know about Rosie's place on this list.
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I think what makes Rosie great is what isn't written. Rosie falls into the category of a great woman behind a great man. This is pure specualtion but I don't think I'm wrong when I say Rosie supported Sam 100% in his political career, Sam is the type of man if he didn't have Rosie's support or if she didn't want him to he would not have been mayor for so many terms.
Sam was Mayor...his task was to preside at banquets, hardly a 'political career'. I would think Rosie's relationship to that 'career' would more be one of tolerance.

And I think Pippin's defeat of a troll in the terror and darkness of Mordor, far from home and in service of a larger cause, when he thought he was giving his life in the attempt, was a far greater dead than Bullroarer killing a simple Orc in defense of his own home.
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Old 04-17-2006, 11:00 AM   #4
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How about these changes? And while, on reflection, Gollum's
actions to regain the Ring were also failures, like Frodo's
to destroy it, as an effort , JRRT viewed it as impressive.
(In Letters # 181)
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His [Gollum's] marvellous courage and endurance, as great as Frodo's and Sam's or greater, being directed to evil was portentous, but not honorable...
1-Sam Gives the Ring back to Frodo
2-Bilbo leaves the Ring for Frodo
3-Merry helps slay the Witchking of Angmar
4-Bilbo goes down the tunnel to first Smaug confrontation
5-Gollum's epic efforts to regain the Ring
6-Frodo's failed effort to destroy the Ring
7-Frodo defies the nazgul at the Ford of Bruinen
8-The Bullroarer kills an orc while he's defending The Shire
9-Deagol finds the Ring in the Anduin
10-Pippin kills a troll outside the Iron Gates
11-Bilbo saves the dwarves from the giant spiders
12-Rosie has numerous children and emotionally supports Samwise
13-Bilbo gives the Arkenstone to the elves and men of Dale
14-Bilbo returns to Erebor after giving up the Arkenstone
15. Rumor has it hobbit archers helped out against Angmar
16-Lobelia confronts Sharkey's gang with her umbrella
17-Frodo finally (with "assistance" from Boromir) decides to go to Mordor
18-Bilbo gets the dwarves out of Thranduil's Realm
19-Fatty Bolger stays behind to cover Frodo's trail
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Old 04-17-2006, 12:47 PM   #5
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8-The Bullroarer kills an orc while he's defending The Shire
To be fair, that rather understates the achievement. He led a band of Hobbit militia which routed a Goblin raiding party. And beheaded their chieftain. And invented golf.

OK, perhaps move him down the list for that last one ...
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Old 04-17-2006, 01:57 PM   #6
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6-Frodo's failed effort to destroy the Ring
I actually disagree with this, and I would place it at least 2nd, because Sam giving the Ring back to Frodo is hard to top, that was truly heroic. But, the reason I think this should be bumped up is because Frodo didn't fail.

Sure, he failed his personal test of not being able to drop the ring into the Fire, but he didn't fail in destroying the Ring. Frodo's quest was to destroy the ring, he didn't personally have to destroy it, all that needed done was the Ring to be destroyed and Frodo made that happen.

With intervening from Eru the Ring is destroyed, but the incredible deed is Frodo GETTING it to Mount Doom. He failed his test, but the quest succeeded the Ring was destroyed and what Frodo goes through to get to Mount Doom is absolutely amazing.

1st, he's told by Gandalf to get the Ring to Rivendell. Easy enough right...well Frodo gets worried because Gandalf hasn't come back yet, so him and his buds decide they need to set out and plan this big conspiracy to get Frodo out. Here we see Frodo willingly coming up with what he has to do, which is get the Ring to Rivendell, even if Gandalf didn't tell him it's ok to go yet, .

2nd, Just by getting the Ring to Rivendell, going through all them obstacles.

3rd, taking it upon himself to destroy the Ring. Yet again, he willingly puts the whole fate of Middle-earth on his shoulders and says he's going to take it to Mordor. No easy thing for a little hobbit. He puts aside his own comfort and safety back at home, to go on this epic quest.

4th, Gets the ring to Mount Doom and this is the most amazing of all. He bears a wound by the Witch-King, a wound by Shelob, the weight and influence of the Ring, and with his best bud Sam (who I know Frodo couldn't have done it without Sam) he gets the Ring to Mount Doom and gets it destroyed. He personally doesn't destroy it, but he succeeds in the Quest which was to destroy the Ring.

What Frodo goes through and triumphs over is incredible, and at the very least should be #2. Forget the fact that he personally didn't destroy it, that would have made him a demi-god, because no one could have done it, but look at what he did to GET the Ring destroyed. Simply amazing.
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Old 04-18-2006, 06:02 AM   #7
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As always, logical, Mr. Boromir.
And, as Gollum's efforts also failed, one should put
heroic efforts for good above that for evil, and
Bilbo did have help with his ring effort, so:

1-Sam Gives the Ring back to Frodo
2-Merry helps slay the Witchking of Angmar
3-Frodo's failed effort to destroy the Ring
4-Bilbo leaves the Ring for Frodo
5-Bilbo goes down the tunnel to first Smaug confrontation
6-Gollum's epic efforts to regain the Ring
7-Frodo defies the nazgul at the Ford of Bruinen
8-The Bullroarer kills an orc while he's defending The Shire
9-Deagol finds the Ring in the Anduin
10-Pippin kills a troll outside the Iron Gates
11-Bilbo saves the dwarves from the giant spiders
12-Rosie has numerous children and emotionally supports Samwise
13-Bilbo gives the Arkenstone to the elves and men of Dale
14-Bilbo returns to Erebor after giving up the Arkenstone
15. Rumor has it hobbit archers helped out against Angmar
16-Lobelia confronts Sharkey's gang with her umbrella
17-Frodo finally (with "assistance" from Boromir) decides to go to Mordor
18-Bilbo gets the dwarves out of Thranduil's Realm
19-Fatty Bolger stays behind to cover Frodo's trail
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