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How about these changes? And while, on reflection, Gollum's
actions to regain the Ring were also failures, like Frodo's to destroy it, as an effort , JRRT viewed it as impressive. (In Letters # 181) Quote:
2-Bilbo leaves the Ring for Frodo 3-Merry helps slay the Witchking of Angmar 4-Bilbo goes down the tunnel to first Smaug confrontation 5-Gollum's epic efforts to regain the Ring 6-Frodo's failed effort to destroy the Ring 7-Frodo defies the nazgul at the Ford of Bruinen 8-The Bullroarer kills an orc while he's defending The Shire 9-Deagol finds the Ring in the Anduin 10-Pippin kills a troll outside the Iron Gates 11-Bilbo saves the dwarves from the giant spiders 12-Rosie has numerous children and emotionally supports Samwise 13-Bilbo gives the Arkenstone to the elves and men of Dale 14-Bilbo returns to Erebor after giving up the Arkenstone 15. Rumor has it hobbit archers helped out against Angmar 16-Lobelia confronts Sharkey's gang with her umbrella 17-Frodo finally (with "assistance" from Boromir) decides to go to Mordor 18-Bilbo gets the dwarves out of Thranduil's Realm 19-Fatty Bolger stays behind to cover Frodo's trail
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Corpus Cacophonous
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OK, perhaps move him down the list for that last one ...
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Sure, he failed his personal test of not being able to drop the ring into the Fire, but he didn't fail in destroying the Ring. Frodo's quest was to destroy the ring, he didn't personally have to destroy it, all that needed done was the Ring to be destroyed and Frodo made that happen. With intervening from Eru the Ring is destroyed, but the incredible deed is Frodo GETTING it to Mount Doom. He failed his test, but the quest succeeded the Ring was destroyed and what Frodo goes through to get to Mount Doom is absolutely amazing. 1st, he's told by Gandalf to get the Ring to Rivendell. Easy enough right...well Frodo gets worried because Gandalf hasn't come back yet, so him and his buds decide they need to set out and plan this big conspiracy to get Frodo out. Here we see Frodo willingly coming up with what he has to do, which is get the Ring to Rivendell, even if Gandalf didn't tell him it's ok to go yet, .2nd, Just by getting the Ring to Rivendell, going through all them obstacles. 3rd, taking it upon himself to destroy the Ring. Yet again, he willingly puts the whole fate of Middle-earth on his shoulders and says he's going to take it to Mordor. No easy thing for a little hobbit. He puts aside his own comfort and safety back at home, to go on this epic quest. 4th, Gets the ring to Mount Doom and this is the most amazing of all. He bears a wound by the Witch-King, a wound by Shelob, the weight and influence of the Ring, and with his best bud Sam (who I know Frodo couldn't have done it without Sam) he gets the Ring to Mount Doom and gets it destroyed. He personally doesn't destroy it, but he succeeds in the Quest which was to destroy the Ring. What Frodo goes through and triumphs over is incredible, and at the very least should be #2. Forget the fact that he personally didn't destroy it, that would have made him a demi-god, because no one could have done it, but look at what he did to GET the Ring destroyed. Simply amazing.
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As Captain Kirk might observe:
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heroic efforts for good above that for evil, and Bilbo did have help with his ring effort, so: 1-Sam Gives the Ring back to Frodo 2-Merry helps slay the Witchking of Angmar 3-Frodo's failed effort to destroy the Ring 4-Bilbo leaves the Ring for Frodo 5-Bilbo goes down the tunnel to first Smaug confrontation 6-Gollum's epic efforts to regain the Ring 7-Frodo defies the nazgul at the Ford of Bruinen 8-The Bullroarer kills an orc while he's defending The Shire 9-Deagol finds the Ring in the Anduin 10-Pippin kills a troll outside the Iron Gates 11-Bilbo saves the dwarves from the giant spiders 12-Rosie has numerous children and emotionally supports Samwise 13-Bilbo gives the Arkenstone to the elves and men of Dale 14-Bilbo returns to Erebor after giving up the Arkenstone 15. Rumor has it hobbit archers helped out against Angmar 16-Lobelia confronts Sharkey's gang with her umbrella 17-Frodo finally (with "assistance" from Boromir) decides to go to Mordor 18-Bilbo gets the dwarves out of Thranduil's Realm 19-Fatty Bolger stays behind to cover Frodo's trail
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Thankyou for the kindness Captain...can I beam you up now?
Anway, I found this which goes along which fits in with the Frodo ordeal. Tolkien said that Frodo failed as a hero, but morally he did not fail. What Frodo did was set an impossible goal for himself, and when you set impossible goals you fail. But, what Frodo did do was amazing in itself...getting the Ring to Mount Doom, while being starved, bearing a great weight/pain, and the influence of the Ring, where the ultimate goal in the end was acheived. Quote:
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I would go further, Boro.
It seems to me that Frodo's amazing act of courage, selflesness and endurance was the single most important act ever achieved by a Hobbit in Middle-earth. He may not have been able to destroy the Ring when it came to it but (discounting Tom Bombadil) no one else could have done it either. The very fact that got the Ring to Mount Zoom - er - sorry - Doom was an incredible achievement in itself. The burden and effort involved in carrying it there was probably more than enough to overcome most. And it was through the kindness and pity that he had shown towards Gollum that the Ring was ultimately able to be destroyed. He may have failed to willingly destroy the Ring. But I would rather put a positive "spin" on it and say that he succeeded in his Quest. The achievements of Sam and Merry should not be underestimated, I agree. But they are surely superseded by Frodo's achievement. While Sam certainly contributed, it was Frodo who was able, through his endeavours, to bring about the circumstances whereby the Ring could be destroyed. And, in doing so, he saved the entirety of Middle-earth from falling under Sauron's thrall.
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Okay, a change. A tie for second is now declared.
But still to be answered is, can a failure (however noble) be declared an achievement? Perhaps. (And if the Bullroarer hadn't inadvertendly invented golf he'd probably be up at # 5). ![]() And how come Fatty Bolger gets no respect- you know what I mean! 1-Sam Gives the Ring back to Frodo 2-Merry helps slay the Witchking of Angmar 2-Frodo's failed effort to destroy the Ring 4-Bilbo leaves the Ring for Frodo 5-Bilbo goes down the tunnel to first Smaug confrontation 6-Gollum's epic efforts to regain the Ring 7-Frodo defies the nazgul at the Ford of Bruinen 8-The Bullroarer kills an orc while he's defending The Shire 9-Deagol finds the Ring in the Anduin 10-Pippin kills a troll outside the Iron Gates 11-Bilbo saves the dwarves from the giant spiders 12-Rosie has numerous children and emotionally supports Samwise 13-Bilbo gives the Arkenstone to the elves and men of Dale 14-Bilbo returns to Erebor after giving up the Arkenstone 15. Rumor has it hobbit archers helped out against Angmar 16-Lobelia confronts Sharkey's gang with her umbrella 17-Frodo finally (with "assistance" from Boromir) decides to go to Mordor 18-Bilbo gets the dwarves out of Thranduil's Realm 19-Fatty Bolger stays behind to cover Frodo's trail
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