Tol-in-Gaurhoth (Isle of Werewolves)

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Hookbill the Goomba

Direct all criticisms to lmp. All I've done is put the thing together via his instructions.

Will do.

Elempi, the chart says that Eonwe is Nog and mine's son, when it should be Lhuna as our daughter. They need to be swapped.

I'm in the best and worst position, as it so happens. To belong to a family will create a certain amount of camaraderie amongst compatriots. The wolves will take advantage of this. It will only harm the innocents. Best to take these ties with little respect to the game and beyond any serious decisions.

Well I've given some thought to that, but any reply probably fits better in Day 1 deliberations. But I have already been contemplating that there will be some who view any family behavior as a wolfish plot -- or would like others to, if you take my meaning. Which is why I'm making clear my intentions (and so far as I know right now, Nog's and Firefoot's) to exhibit family voting behavior on Day 1 -- now before any roles are handed out. I realize that continuing seriously in such a vein past Day 1 would be disregarding the actual game of werewolf -- but Day 1 is Day 1 and the dynamics are different. People often stumble around criticizing other people's game styles, for lack of anything better to do, and only by luck are actual werecreatures caught.

Er, wait, I wasn't going to get into all this until the actual game starts. Blah. Suffice it is to say, "it will only harm the innocents" is a very sweeping statement to make and doesn't take into account the vast stores of cunning (not to mention wizards) that both sides possess.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

Elempi, the chart says that Eonwe is Nog and mine's son, when it should be Lhuna as our daughter. They need to be swapped.

Quite right. I fear my rough bad chart was confusing on that point. Hookbill, please make this switch.

DAYS & NIGHTS WILL BE 24 HOURS EACH.

[Kath]

And we are starting at 10pm GMT on Thursday? I take it that will be a Night phase?

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Kath

And we are starting at 10pm GMT on Thursday? I take it that will be a Night phase?

Yes.

I have forwarded to Hookbill a request for all changes I've approved, or corrections due to my inept charting.

Nogrod: I may need to revise the rules for clarity by Thursday 6pm. Both the wizards have a lot of latitude in what they wish to reveal, when, to their team. I am going to disallow PMing between gifteds and between werewolves, however, because at some point the two wizards will (or at least probably will) have a wizard battle and kill each other off, and the game reverts to a classic game, and at that point there can't be any PMing between gifteds anyway; and in this game I won't allow werewolves to PM except at Night. So any PMing always has to go through the two Sub-mods, even if the wizards choose to reveal themselves. Although this may seem like an unnecessary complication, there is enough of a chance that enough of the gifteds & werewolves may get killed along the way that there is an entirely different set of them toward the end of the game as compared to the beginning.

current tally:

Perhaps we could know the current tally but not the final roles of those who have died ...?

(you may change your votes of course)

In favor: 6

SPM
Celuien
Roa Aoife
the phantom
Feanor
Eomer

Not in favor: 8

Lalaith
Nogrod
Diamond
Eonwe
Lhunardawen
Nilpaurion
Thinlomien
Glirdan
Spawn

Doesn't care: 3

Azaelia of Willowbottom
Diamond
Cailín

Voting may continue on this matter until 6 pm EDT Wednesday. At that point, the approach with the most votes will be adopted.

[mormegil]

++In Favor

[Alcarillo]

Put me down as

++Doesn't care

[Valier]

Put me down for...

++In Favor

[Naria]

I will go with

++Not In Favour


Oh yeah, btw....I can't believe that I, of all people, am related to Sauce and Cel. How did a quieter player(me) come from those two chatter boxes( ), perplexes me too no end....lol

[Eonwe]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

the chart says that Eonwe is Nog and mine's son, when it should be Lhuna as our daughter. They need to be swapped.

Indeed we do. For I come from the next village over, where my widowed mother lives. The place if veritably overrun by my kith and kin, so I bought this homestead and mover here.

Which bring me to another question: Lhuna, where shall we be living now that we have tied the knot? My place is a bit far in the woods, though it'll need to be looked after. We could sell it, and move in to town, of we could use it as a summer house deal. What say you? Put forth all the prudence of a good wife in this matter, for I leave it in your hands.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by D18

Which is why I'm making clear my intentions (and so far as I know right now, Nog's and Firefoot's) to exhibit family voting behavior on Day 1 -- now before any roles are handed out. I realize that continuing seriously in such a vein past Day 1 would be disregarding the actual game of werewolf -- but Day 1 is Day 1 and the dynamics are different. People often stumble around criticizing other people's game styles, for lack of anything better to do, and only by luck are actual werecreatures caught.

Day 1s are underrated. Personally, I rather enjoy them.

And I suspect that, in this game, there will be more than enough to talk about (and to base a vote on) on Day 1- and not just the banter.

[Roa_Aoife]

And I suspect that, in this game, there will be more than enough to talk about (and to base a vote on) on Day 1- and not just the banter.

Indeed. I'm all prepared to shoot holes in theories. (It's what I do best you know.) But I'm also ready to put forth some form of my own. Honestly, looking at the players, meaningless banter will be almost wholly unnecessary.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Day 1s are underrated. Personally, I rather enjoy them.

And I suspect that, in this game, there will be more than enough to talk about (and to base a vote on) on Day 1- and not just the banter.

I totally agree with you - and Roa too.

In most games I have played, we villagers have managed to lynch a wolf (or whatever werecreature) on dAY1! There have been different reasons for the success, but anyhow.

[Loki]

It seems to me as though "Day 1" decisions will be based solely on happensay and witless suspicion. Or, perhaps, on a small bit of RPing on what your "character" would say, as they appear within their roles of village idiots. Any wolfing being done would likely be coincidence. It is important in that it is the start and assists in the evolution of fact, but it is perhaps not, in and of itself, useful. Unless, of course, the wolves lack the pair of brain cells to bump together in order to rationalize the logistics of witholding information.

Beyond this. Good day and welcome the morrow. Happy Hunting, you innocents. I predict that, with a little skill and cunning, evil will triumph in the coming days.

[Eonwe]

Originally Posted by Loki

It seems to me as though "Day 1" decisions will be based solely on happensay and witless suspicion. Or, perhaps, on a small bit of RPing on what your "character" would say, as they appear within their roles of village idiots. Any wolfing being done would likely be coincidence.

It looks as if Loki's played before.

Yes, as often as not, that is how it happens.

Originally Posted by SpM

Day 1s are underrated. Personally, I rather enjoy them.

I have a love/hate relationship with them. I like them because everyone is loosening up and joking around, but I hate them because they are so perplexing.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Loki

Beyond this. Good day and welcome the morrow. Happy Hunting, you innocents. I predict that, with a little skill and cunning, evil will triumph in the coming days.

Are you sure, you are willing to give this weapon to the rampant-running and frustrated crowd of villagers in the end of DAY1?

Just a warm welcome to the game Loki. You seem to have some attitude and a daring mind! Good sporting.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

In most games I have played, we villagers have managed to lynch a wolf (or whatever werecreature) on dAY1! There have been different reasons for the success, but anyhow.

Ever heard of "dumb luck"?

Just kidding...

But, mind you, I'm with Nilp and others of his ilk who do not take Day 1s seriously. I'm also not playing, so I get to sit in the audience munching popcorn and shouting "it's so OBVIOUS that X is guilty" at the players.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Ever heard of "dumb luck"?
Just kidding...
But, mind you, I'm with Nilp and others of his ilk who do not take Day 1s seriously. I'm also not playing, so I get to sit in the audience munching popcorn and shouting "it's so OBVIOUS that X is guilty" at the players.

I don't think, that should be taken as "just kidding". I know it myself, that we have had lots of luck too. That's why I said:

There have been different reasons for the success, but anyhow.

But as I have stated in many earlier games (and gotten almost lynched because of it a couple of times), if there are no other good reasons to vote for someone, I'll vote for the non-posters or just nonsense-posters the first day. But what then makes posting nonsense, well don't ask me...

Anyhow, people who just want to make DAY1 a "slipping under the radar-day" annoy me. If you're in a game, you should also play... It's not fair that some people just ride along, not being suspectible enough to be lynched because of inadequate posting. Who would those people be able to jump on to, if everyone followed their example?

Ok. We continue with this the Day1...

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Day 1s are underrated. Personally, I rather enjoy them.

And I suspect that, in this game, there will be more than enough to talk about (and to base a vote on) on Day 1- and not just the banter.

Oh I don't disagree with you, SpM. What I disagree with is anyone who jumps to attack anyone who doesn't hold the same opinions about how to play. I've been attacked for "meaningless banter" on Day 1 and it left a bad taste in my mouth. But I'm determined to not let it stop me from taking advantage of the unique opportunity Day 1 affords for being a bit looser. Especially in this village, when the character roles are more complicated and detailed than ever before, providing more opportunity to actually use them.

Besides, many a secret plot can be hidden in Day 1, only to be revealed in later Days. We don't all have to play like, say, Nogrod or Roa, to be playing the game "right." In fact, I'm not sure there is a well defined "right" and "wrong" way to play as long as you're into whatever your chosen style is. (That is it say, so long as you don't just neglect the game altogether and suffer mod fire expulsion.)

In short, I don't hate Day 1, and I think it's silly to hate the way other people approach Day 1 if it isn't the way you do it. If everyone played the same way, it would be categorically boring.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

In short, I don't hate Day 1, and I think it's silly to hate the way other people approach Day 1 if it isn't the way you do it. If everyone played the same way, it would be categorically boring.

I do agree with you, but for one point. If all the people play posting just nonsense or non-post game the day1, it's a catastrophe for the villagers (well I've never been anything bad, so I don't actually know, how much fun to them it might be). That is one thing I wish to "hate" about other people. That doesn't help the villagers, but only werecreatures...

Although I admit the fun-part of it. And would like to enjoy some of it myself in this game... as the roles really give us the opportunity.

[Diamond18]

I dislike the label of "nonsense", "meaningless", and "substanceless" that gets tagged on to any post which isn't, say, a deep analysis or which contains definite opinions about other players or a theory about how everyone should be behaving. I think that there's rather a lot more meaning in much of what is deemed "meaningless" than a lot of people think -- and also it's unfair on Day 1 when there is no voting record or death count to work off of, to expect everyone to come up with brilliant theories, etc.

If everyone just spent the entire day roleplaying, we wouldn't get anywhere, but again, I said that the game wouldn't work if everyone played the exact same way. So we need the mix of loud to quiet to serious to playful to actually get things rolling. And by quiet I just mean "relatively quiet" instead of not-involved quiet. Remember, it's a game of strategy and everyone has a different strategy. Even amongst the Ordos, there are varied opinions on how to stay alive both Day and Night.

Anyway, I dislike the idea of voting for someone just because their playing style is different. But in the end, it's your vote and your decision how to wield it. I just dislike the intimidation factor of saying, "If you don't play such and such way, I will do my best to rid the game of you and your ilk."

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Eonwe

Which bring me to another question: Lhuna, where shall we be living now that we have tied the knot? My place is a bit far in the woods, though it'll need to be looked after. We could sell it, and move in to town, of we could use it as a summer house deal. What say you? Put forth all the prudence of a good wife in this matter, for I leave it in your hands.

We live near my parents' house, I suppose? My mom and dad love me so much that they wouldn't let me go far with you. So I guess you can treat your place in the woods as sort of your office by day; I, on the other hand, have to stay in town because of my occupation. Every now and then, though, I'll be taking a leave from my work to go with you to the woods. Whatever I'll be doing there. How's that?

By the way, dear hubby, prepare to get a little jealous. Blame Eomer.

*s at Eomer*

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Oh, wow. I vanish for a couple days, and come back to see the drama beginning to unfold. I am so excited! *dances*

[the phantom]

First, I would just like to say that Day 1s can be very important. Events that happen the opening day can set things on course for a victory for one side or the other. A couple of games I've been in you might say were won or lost on the first day.

Second, we can't exactly compare this game to other Werewolf games. The dynamics are completely different. For instance, depending on what the EW chooses to do, it is possible that the wolves will have no clue who the other wolves are, thus there will truly be no patterns in voting to examine to help us catch wolves, and so even if we catch a wolf on Day 1 the votes might not tell us anything and Day 2 will be another Day 1.

There are also a couple of small but important factors that will change things, but I don't want to mention them. Those are eggs I'd like to sit on until after the game is in progress.

All in all, it is possible that every day will have a Day 1 feel to it until the GW decides to step out of the shadows. I'm going to go back on my earlier prediction (that the GW would step forward in 3 or 4 days), and instead predict that he/she'll be out as early as Day 2, or for sure by Day 3. But I certainly won't go into detail about the reasoning behind my prediction- not now. You'll just have to wait for the game.

Originally Posted by Loki

There are a few flaws to be exploited in the game. I'm loathe to point them out, however, because I am not yet aware which side I will be playing for.

Indeed, there are a few nuggets I'm saving for myself. It will be interesting to see who else has been thinking along the same lines once the game is rolling along.