I Found the Entwives! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Aaron · 11-25-2006, 06:57 AM

Figures doesn't it? But what if the Entwives were still in Fangorn? Maybe they themselves became "treeish"?

doug*platypus · 11-26-2006, 09:50 PM

Then, surely Treebeard, master of Fangorn would have known this, and reported it to the hobbits, rather than asking if they knew of the Entwives.

Teleporno's idea that the location of the Entwives is encrypted somewhere within the second half of TTT is intriguing. Several posters here have stated that Tolkien did not engage in these kinds of easter egg hunts, but do we know that for sure? Especially in light of the following:

two of Bombadil's names, Forn and Orald, are possibly intentionally an anagram of "for Ronald" meaning for Tolkien, the author
Treebeard is a character based on CS Lewis
Beren and Lúthien are for Tolkien and his wife Edith
Smaug is a philological jest

And there are most likely others that I am not aware of... anyone care to add to the list?

IF (that's a big if) Tolkien did hide the location of the Entwives within the book, it is possible that he would have wished this to remain a secret to all but the careful literary detective, and this may be the reason he did not overtly state in Letters that the information was there. Particularly if he was lampooning suffragettes or others.

Of course, without Teleporno actually telling us where he thinks this information is, there is no way for us to debate whether he is onto something, or whether his love of the halflings' leaf has dulled his wits. I hope that he does at least think that he has found something; if he were trying to intentionally mislead us, that would be sad indeed...

Aaron · 11-27-2006, 07:15 AM

Indeed, could you perchance elaborate on your point about Smaug? It sounds intriguing.

Raynor · 11-27-2006, 07:53 AM

I believe that doug*platypus is referring to letter #25:

Quote:

The dragon bears as name - a pseudonym - the past tense of the primitive Germanic verb Smugan, to squeeze through a hole: a low philological jest.

Aaron · 11-27-2006, 01:41 PM

Ah, I see. Me and a friend are going to try and find where the Entwives are, I know, I know, better men than I have tried and failed but it is possibly the greatest mystery within the entire book. I'm really hoping to figure something out.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-27-2006, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron

Ah, I see. Me and a friend are going to try and find where the Entwives are, I know, I know, better men than I have tried and failed but it is possibly the greatest mystery within the entire book. I'm really hoping to figure something out.

Good luck (you gonna need it...)

All I have to say is only that after reading this thread, the day before yesterday I had a terrible dream about how I was seeking for that place in the book and then I found it... but I don't remember where it was, only I know that it was the worst nightmare, I was sitting home reading it sentence by sentence, a long time I spent near the moments when Frodo&Sam meet Faramir's men (perhaps Sam used the Entwives to start the fire for their lunch?), when they were at the Crossroad (someone of you appeared near to me and shouted about how the Entwives crowned the king's head again - I think someone posted it here before), and when they entered Imlad Morgul (the Entwives have transformed into these little deadly flowers). Huh, that was terrible!

Aaron · 11-29-2006, 03:51 PM

I beleive the Entwives to hae been in the Shire after a rereading. They loved order and gardens.
Sounds like a hobbit type of mentality, okay, that's pretty tenuous but it's all I got.

11-27-2006, 07:15 AM	#3
Aaron Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: England Posts: 96	Indeed, could you perchance elaborate on your point about Smaug? It sounds intriguing. __________________ Remember, stranger, passing by: As you are now, so once was I. As I am now, so you shall be. Prepare thyself to follow me.

11-27-2006, 01:41 PM	#5
Aaron Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: England Posts: 96	Ah, I see. Me and a friend are going to try and find where the Entwives are, I know, I know, better men than I have tried and failed but it is possibly the greatest mystery within the entire book. I'm really hoping to figure something out. __________________ Remember, stranger, passing by: As you are now, so once was I. As I am now, so you shall be. Prepare thyself to follow me.

11-29-2006, 03:51 PM	#7
Aaron Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: England Posts: 96	I beleive the Entwives to hae been in the Shire after a rereading. They loved order and gardens. Sounds like a hobbit type of mentality, okay, that's pretty tenuous but it's all I got. __________________ Remember, stranger, passing by: As you are now, so once was I. As I am now, so you shall be. Prepare thyself to follow me.

11-25-2006, 06:57 AM	#1
Aaron Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: England Posts: 96	Figures doesn't it? But what if the Entwives were still in Fangorn? Maybe they themselves became "treeish"?

11-26-2006, 09:50 PM	#2
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	Then, surely Treebeard, master of Fangorn would have known this, and reported it to the hobbits, rather than asking if they knew of the Entwives. Teleporno's idea that the location of the Entwives is encrypted somewhere within the second half of TTT is intriguing. Several posters here have stated that Tolkien did not engage in these kinds of easter egg hunts, but do we know that for sure? Especially in light of the following: two of Bombadil's names, Forn and Orald, are possibly intentionally an anagram of "for Ronald" meaning for Tolkien, the author Treebeard is a character based on CS Lewis Beren and Lúthien are for Tolkien and his wife Edith Smaug is a philological jest And there are most likely others that I am not aware of... anyone care to add to the list? IF (that's a big if) Tolkien did hide the location of the Entwives within the book, it is possible that he would have wished this to remain a secret to all but the careful literary detective, and this may be the reason he did not overtly state in Letters that the information was there. Particularly if he was lampooning suffragettes or others. Of course, without Teleporno actually telling us where he thinks this information is, there is no way for us to debate whether he is onto something, or whether his love of the halflings' leaf has dulled his wits. I hope that he does at least think that he has found something; if he were trying to intentionally mislead us, that would be sad indeed... __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.