WW XXIIX - Queer Lodgings

[Boromir88]

I was thinking the same Runi, the last minute voting and train for Eomi looks all too wolvish.

I came back and saw Eomi was the one lynched and had the same reaction as Anguirelshield...why? I was strong against Anguirelshield yesterday, as at first I was getting all caught up in the moment...I honestly wanted Gloanna lynched (and still do). Then I realized no matter what Anguirelshield always votes for me on Day 1...I have no idea why, but any village my ancestors have been in with Anguirelshield, they always get his vote on Day 1. No clue why.

Spawn, Voloin, and Beornomien seemed to be the followers of the Eomi wagon and Bofgrod the ring-leader. Of those 3 people still here, I wouldn't doubt it if one was a wolf. Voloin and Bofgrod look the most suspicious...something Voloin said just doesn't sit right with me:

Why would she be frequent to read and not even vote, this might be a small matter on day1, but I don't like it...

I do happen to agree that if Valier was around and could read what was going on she should have voted. If she wasn't around a lot, and if she couldn't read everything to come to at least a semi-informed decision than I think not-voting was the best. Total random voting doesn't sit right with me, and if Valier would have just popped in without reading the situation and voted, that wouldn't have sit right with me. However, Valier if you were around and were keeping up, you should have voted.

Anyway, this comment by Voloin doesn't sit right with me. He makes a comment that would appear to be helpful, one an innocent would make. But it just feels like he's trying to hard to be helpful, he's trying to hard to appear innocent, by pointing out things like that and claiming he 'doesn't like it.'

Bofgrod was the ring-leader of Eomi's lynching yesterday and that is no doubt what a wolf Bofgrod is capable of doing. I don't like the lynching of Eomi yesterday, and I think he who led it all is fanged! It's also clever that he votes to leave the decision up to Spawn and Beornomien. It's like he wanted to stay out of the last votes and be accused of being the one who got Eomi lynched. So he plays it safe, makes an awkward case against Eomi, ties it up, and makes Spawn and Beornomien come up with the decision...very crafty move if he be a wolf. To me, when innocent, Bofgrod has always wanted to take the initiative and wouldn't shy away from making tough decisions...here he plays it safe and makes Spawn and Beornomien do the tough decision making.

Beornomien seems more like a vote of an innocent. She had to reach a decision there as she was put in such a position. I'm inclined to believe of the remaining Eomi voters, Beornomien is innocent.

[Holbytlass]

Eomer --> Spawn
Kitanna --> Naria
Durelin --> Rune
Naria --> Kitanna
Kath --> Farael
Rune --> Farael (Spawn1, Naria1, Rune1, Kitanna1, Farael2)
Menel -->Kath (Spawn1, Naria1, Rune1, Kitanna1, Farael2, Kath1)
Holby --> Spawn (Spawn2, Naria1, Rune1, Kitanna1, Farael2, Kath1)
Anguirel --> Boro (Spawn2, Naria1, Rune1, Kitanna1, Farael2, Kath1, Boro1)
Boro --> Kitanna (Spawn2, Naria1, Rune1, Kitanna2, Farael2, Kath1, Boro1)
Volo-->Eomi (Spawn2, Naria1, Rune1, Kitanna2, Farael2, Kath1, Boro1,Eomi1)
Nogrod-->Eomi(Spawn2, Naria1, Rune1, Kitanna2, Farael2, Kath1, Boro1,Eomi2)
Spawn-->Eomi(Spawn2, Naria1, Rune1, Kitanna2, Farael2, Kath1, Boro1,Eomi3)
Lommy-->Eomi(Spawn2, Naria1, Rune1, Kitanna2, Farael2, Kath1, Boro1,Eomi4)

No vote Nilp Valier

Originally Posted by Boro

Beornomien seems more like a vote of an innocent. She had to reach a decision there as she was put in such a position. I'm inclined to believe of the remaining Eomi voters, Beornomien is innocent.

I don't quite agree with you there. She agrees with the points made by Nogrod about eomer(77) then states that says she'll vote for either Kitanna or Kath(82)then changes her position on them(91) cross posted with Spawn's voting.
It's understandable that Spawn was waiting till the last possible moment, she was part of the tye and would want to save herself. Lommy comes across as a bit flipfloppish maybe trying to stick around because a fellow wolf may hve also been part of that tye.

[Valier]

Well Boro I was planning to be around reading yesterday, but good old nyquil kept me good and drugged. I am feeling slightly better today and I will have time to read, participate and vote. My no vote was perhaps for the best? I completely forgot about ww in my sickly state.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I was thinking the same Runi, the last minute voting and train for Eomi looks all too wolvish.
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Bofgrod was the ring-leader of Eomi's lynching yesterday and that is no doubt what a wolf Bofgrod is capable of doing. I don't like the lynching of Eomi yesterday, and I think he who led it all is fanged! It's also clever that he votes to leave the decision up to Spawn and Beornomien. It's like he wanted to stay out of the last votes and be accused of being the one who got Eomi lynched. So he plays it safe, makes an awkward case against Eomi, ties it up, and makes Spawn and Beornomien come up with the decision...very crafty move if he be a wolf.

So a ring-leader! That's nice of you.

But really, give me one decent reason why any wolf would have wished to kill Eomi instead of someone else? It's all nice rhetorics Nori88, but lacks any decent motivation behind those "clever votes" or "ring-leading" my wolf-ancestors might have been "capable" of doing.

Why on earth would a wolf care who gets lynched in the first place? If it's an innocent, whoever, that's good. If a wolf's mate is near lynch, a crafty wolf kills his mate and gets the bonus of being a good guy instead of trying to play brave fellow-helper and risk getting both of them killed.

Originally Posted by Nori88

To me, when innocent, Bofgrod has always wanted to take the initiative and wouldn't shy away from making tough decisions...here he plays it safe and makes Spawn and Beornomien do the tough decision making.

Nori88 has got quite an interesting logic indeed. First he accuses me of being the ring-leader and then on the next sentence he says I didn't take the initiative. Now which way should we read this?

Just to tell you what happened. I had suspicions of three people late in the game yesterDay, reasons for which I've gave accounts then and won't repeat them here. When it started to look that there would be four people voting (half an hour before the deadline, about) the situation with those three was Glóanna2, Kathin1, Eomi0 - added with Spawn and Durin both in 2.

With four votes left it was anybody's game here. I shared the angst with Beornómien. I had no way of saying which one of the three looked most wolvish. I tried to ask whether anyone else thought Eomi suspicious (or should we choose from Glóanna and Kathin) to not "waste" my vote on someone who hadn't gather any votes yet. But as Volo voted Eomi, I thought it a good situation to make the voting-ground more even (resulting in Glóanna2, Eomi2, Kathin1). I voted three minutes before the deadline. Indeed thinking that it would be a relief not to be forced to make the very last decision everytime I'm around at deadline. And my relief was even greater when I noticed that both Beornómien and Spawn voted similarily as that meant that some others shared my worry about Eomi and we kind of lynched him together. Unfortunately we were all wrong with him...

Talking of voting safe now as we started... Nori88 voted about an half an hour before the deadline making the exact same thing I did, raising one person (Glóanna) even to the lead. Now should I interpret this as him being crafty and leaving the tough decision-making to others? I surely know wolf-Nori88 is perfectly capable of doping that!

I mean: which one of us was in a tougher position to vote and which one of us played it safe, not bearing the burden of tough decisions? Just asking...

Were I a wolf, I would have voted early enough, safely based on some of my earlier suspicions to look logical and just stayed away from discussion the last hour or a half.

Okay. Enough of this.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I surely know wolf-Nori88 is perfectly capable of doping that!

Maybe my best typo ever!

[Boromir88]

Nori88 has got quite an interesting logic indeed. First he accuses me of being the ring-leader and then on the next sentence he says I didn't take the initiative. Now which way should we read this?~Bofgrod

Oh Bofgrod, you have greatly misconstrued my last post. Being the ring-leader and taking the intiative are two different things here.

When I called you the ring-leader I meant you were the main push behind Eomi's lynching.

When I said you failed to take the initiative, I meant you approached the end of yesterday more tentatively than I would have expected an innocent Bofgrod to do.

See an innocent Bofgrod likes to stay at the end of voting coordinate everything, make sure everyone who is around is all on the same page that way the end doesn't end up in some mass chaos that only benefits the wolves. You did a little bit of that, but it looked like you were too tentative than what I would expect (therefor you didn't take the initiative). You built up a case against Eomi, you did go through who was left and around to vote still, did a little polling to see what everyone who was around was thinking, but still proceeded to vote and as you say 'It's up to you ladies.' Therefor, you played the situation at the end tentatively, and I would expect if you were innocent for you to take more control and co-ordination to make sure no one messes things up. As that is what I am used to.

Talking of voting safe now as we started... Nori88 voted about an half an hour before the deadline making the exact same thing I did, raising one person (Glóanna) even to the lead. Now should I interpret this as him being crafty and leaving the tough decision-making to others?

Are you saying that because you truly believe it or are you just saying that as a weak attempt to get suspicion put on me as it just so happens to perfectly describe myself?

Oh, Bofgrod...what do you think about Beornomien?

Edit: x-posted with Holby

[Nogrod]

Just a few ideas about Spawn getting killed during the Night and what might follow from it.

First of all, an excellent choice from the wolves. She can be devastating with her analysis later in the game and thence a good riddance for the baddies. With no clear trail left behind she's a perfect target indeed.

But why didn't they chose someone else? I suppose at least partly because they thought someone else, not her, was protected last Night. Some of my ancestors have been furry and in a game including a ranger that's always a big consideration. So there has to be at least one person who's innocent here the wolves thought more likely to be protected...

So as long as our Seer is alive, I will not be focusing on certain people. If innocent, we need them.

EDIT: X'd with Nori88

[Boromir88]

Oh almost forgot, and Eomi was an easy target for a day 1 lynch. No offense to the chap, may he rest in peace...but even a chimp could convince people to lynch Eomi.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

even a chimp could convince people to lynch Eomi.

So getting him lynched takes a very clever wolf actually to make sure he dies?

[Meneltarmacil]

I find it likely that somebody in the voting list for Eomer was probably a wolf. And Nogrod does seem like the most likely candidate. He conrtibuted a lot to Eomi's lynching, but didn't vote until someone else (Volo) had already done so, so that it wouldn't look like he was starting the bandwagon.

Of course, if he's not a wolf, Lommy may be, as she jumped onto the Eomer bandwagon as well, and her vote wasn't very strategic, so she couldn't be accused of directly lynching Eomer.

As for Volo, I don't find him all that likely to be a wolf, as wolves generally don't cast the first vote in bandwagons, at least as far as I recall.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Noooooooooooooooooo! Spawn is dead! Dead! And to think she were the reason I'm here . . .

I shall be forced, once again, to take up my swor--axe, and avenge her.

(I'll be posting something more useful later, I promise. ^^Y Give me time to masticate.)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I already asked Runi yesterDay how he could find this little hobbit an innocent above all others. I had my doubts of him then but not enough. Now I think I might look at him more closely.

No you didn't. . . You made a statement about not being able to see why I though Menel Innocent.

Anyways I don't know wether I should be conserned about the suspicions people have mentioned or flattered. I am glad if I am being more helpfull, one allways try to be, but one do not want to get lynched either.

This post is not really going to be helpful, but I have something I want to say.

There is to me a difference between being helpfull and making unesisary long posts. . .Sometimes it seems like people are analysing for analysing sake and using up lots of space on saying nothing. I personaly prefer when the post goes straight to the point with out too much weaving, it is makes things more comprehencable. . .sometimes it feels like slow death to read through them all and you end up fearing neither Eru or Ocean.

I am not asking people to use one liners, just don't keep writing when you have said what you wanted to say.
I will be back later with some thought on who to lynch.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Made this long post that made some sense--which was surprising, considering what I thought before I made that--but lost it. Argh!

Will attempt to recapture essence of that post. Curses!

[Valier]

I have reread everything, but this cold is doing a number on my brain. Yes I am distracted, and no I know it's no excuse, but I am sure I will be feeling better really soon.

I was suspicious of Farael and now he votes for himself....bluff? well I am willing to let him go seeing as only an innocent would throw in the towel (or a very bold wolf) Nog just isn't sitting right with me as well as now Lommy. After reading her posts she seems well....calm. Lommy I find tends to get a little freaked out when she has a role (no offence ) I just have this weird feeling......I am not sure if I will have time to vote later on, so I shall do it now. I may have time to comment quickly before the day ends.

++ Thinlomien

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It's a list of votes. Holby already made one, but I decided to make my own, with my own comments.

[Times are in GMT +8; known innocents are underlined]

05:47am Éomer - spawn (spawn - 1)
07:44am Kitanna - Naria (spawn - 1; Naria - 1)
09:22am Durelin - Rune (spawn - 1; Naria - 1; Rune - 1)
04:04pm Naria - Kitanna (spawn - 1; Naria - 1; Rune - 1; Kitanna - 1)
07:23pm Kath - Farael (spawn - 1; Naria - 1; Rune - 1; Kitanna - 1; Farael - 1)
08:34pm Rune - Farael (spawn - 1; Naria - 1; Rune - 1; Kitanna - 1; Farael - 2)


This was the first vote cast for a person already with a vote, the makings of a bandwaggon. Were there indications of such a thing being made?

There were jocular accusations thrown by B88 (18) and Ang (26), but Kitanna (28) seized upon B88's aforementioned post and made something of it. Menel (41) thought it was fishy. Afterwards B88 (47) and spawn (48) have made excellent cases against her. But I digress--later on that.

Nevertheless, Farael (44) was suspected using something that made sense (qq.v. Kath 53, Holby 56, Rune 59.) So I see little fishiness--or hairiness, I should say--in the votes against him.


10:22pm Menel - Kath (spawn - 1; Naria - 1; Rune - 1; Kitanna - 1; Farael - 2; Kath - 1)
10:31pm Holby - spawn (spawn - 2; Naria - 1; Rune - 1; Kitanna - 1; Farael - 2; Kath - 1)


This vote tied spawn with Farael. (Speaking of, are there double-lynchings?) An attempt by a wolf to save her fellow? Perhaps. But with nine vote still uncast after this, I think not. It could be that Holby will be unable to get online after this, and trusted her fellow wolf/wolves to hold the fort. But since there was no outstanding suspicion on spawn, this plan would have better worked by casting a vote on someone more suspicious. Nicht wahr?


10:44pm Ang - B88 (spawn - 2; Naria - 1; Rune - 1; Kitanna - 1; Farael - 2; Kath - 1; B88 - 1)
10:54pm B88 - Kitanna (spawn - 2; Naria - 1; Rune - 1; Kitanna - 2; Farael - 2; Kath - 1; B88 - 1)


This ties Kitanna with Farael and spawn. Although it is less interesting than the events that follow, it should be noted that there was an excellent case against Kitanna, which I am inclined to believe. Should she turn lupine, I'd say either Volo or Nogrod might be one of her fellows, seeing as they distracted the rest of the village, and shifted suspicion from her.


11:17pm Volo - Éomer (spawn - 2; Naria - 1; Rune - 1; Kitanna - 2; Farael - 2; Kath - 1; B88 - 1; Éomer - 1)
11:21pm Nogrod - Éomer (spawn - 2; Naria - 1; Rune - 1; Kitanna - 2; Farael - 2; Kath - 1; B88 - 1; Éomer - 2)
11:22pm spawn - Éomer (spawn - 2; Naria - 1; Rune - 1; Kitanna - 2; Farael - 2; Kath - 1; B88 - 1; Éomer - 3)
11:22pm Lommy - Éomer (spawn - 2; Naria - 1; Rune - 1; Kitanna - 2; Farael - 2; Kath - 1; B88 - 1; Éomer - 4)


These last four votes already have been discussed exhaustively.

Since I appear to be unable to return here after this, I must cast my vote now. She has been unable to explain away the case made against her yesterDAY, using the aftershock of the NIGHT death, it seems, as a cloak. Therefore I vote for:

++Kitanna

Good day, all.

[Thinlómien]

I'll make just a quick response to Voloin, since my lesson begins in five minutes. I'll be back with more things in a few hours.

Voloin, you misunderstand me. My suspicion about Balthin wasn't very strong at any phase. I did find her comment about my post suspicious, but otherwise, she didn't seem very suspicious. So, in general, she was "slightly suspicious" in my opinion, which was more suspicious than most of the rest of the "village".

[Thinlómien]

As quite many of you have been confused of my vote yesterday, I think I should maybe say a few words about it. I had been suspecting both Balthin and Glóanna - but neither very much, and everytime I reread, I became less assured I was interpreting them the right way. Then, there comes the possibility lynch Eomi. I had not been very suspicious of him earlier (as you might recall I said he seems innocent in some of my first posts), but as Bofgrod really had a point againt him and I was all the time feeling that maybe after all looking at Glóanna and Balthin was looking at the wrong direction. I admit the vote for Eomi was in a way quite rash, and less thought-of than a vote maybe should be. It was just the thing that felt most right back at that moment.

As to not mentioning Balthin in my voting post, rereading a bit did reduce my suspicion of her, and my choice was then between Glóanna and this new lynch-idea Eomi.

I hope that's enough about me, I think I have other things to say too...

Originally Posted by Bofgrod, about Anguirelshield

Also his happiness to make something like a last call yeasterDay to say he was unhappy with Eomi gone before he was declared innocent bears notifying. How did he know he was innocent? He can say he didn't know it, but why did he declare it? To look good?

I noticed just the same and wondered it too! I might be exagerrating and overinterpreting this, but to me that sounds like he knew Eomi was innocent. And how could he know it? By being a wolf or the seer. And seers definitely are more careful than to do slips like this and don't have an urge to make comments like this, unlike wolves or ordos could have.

The village has mostly concentrated on Eomi-voters today. It's good that the bandwagon is analysed, but aren't we giving it a bit too much attention? Like Bofgrod says, this gives the wolves not involved in the bandwagon (in my opinion it is possible that there were two wolves - Voloin and Bofgrod - in the bandwagon or that there was one wolf or that there were no wolves at all in the bandwagon) a nice way to slip under the radar. As I'm quite assured some of you won't leave this topic (maybe even for a reason) the whole day, I have hereby decided to concentrate on other things so that they are analysed and looked through too...

Don't murder me for this, but I'm actually glad the twins are dead. I'm less glad about the fact that they were Naria and spawn, good players both. Spawn will especially be missed. But no we know that none of our lynches or none of the wolves' kills can kill two people at the same time. Later in the game, the swaying of balance like that could be fatal for the village.

Balthin, I understand your explanation of your statement about my post. That was actually the way I thought it could be interpreted. I'm sorry to say, but your explanation however doesn't make me less suspicious of you, since that's just the kind of explanation that can be either genuine or fabricated by a wolf afterwards.

Though I'm not sure what to think of his innocence/guilt, I'm glad to see Voloin this active in the discussion. Cheers!

One villager I'm less pleased with is Valier. Like Durelin, I don't like her come and go- tactics. It smells slightly like a werewolf wanting to say as little as possible, fearing she will reveal herself. Also, she votes me though she has not thought me suspicious before, though she haad other suspects in the previous post (Runi, Bofgrod, Durael).

Originally Posted by Durelin

And I also know she's [Lommy] very dangerous when evil.

Errr... how? I've been evil just once, and I was a Fenris Wolf... Weird statement.

I will be back in some hours, with a complete list of what I thought about everyone, since I don't have the time to make it right now.