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Macalaure · 03-09-2007, 03:01 PM

The revealing of the ranger had made the Faithfuls wary. There were some mighty warriors hidden among the otherwise so perfectly peaceful and nonviolent villagers. This night they advanced with great caution and sneaked to the hut of their victim silently. To their surprise, though not to their comfort, they found the door open. Carefully the three figures entered the room. In the dim light they saw their victim lying in her bed, fast asleep. Without a sound they gathered around the bed and drew their swords and on a silent command two of them mercilessly stabbed the sheets and whatever lay beneath them. Then they took away the shredded cloth to find that under it there was...

Nothing but sliced pillows.

They had been fooled! In fear they turned around to protect themselves against what ever attack. And they were right in doing so, because in this second, from a dark corner of the room, Thinlómien sprang onto them with naked blade. Two of the Faithfuls quickly caught their wits and jumped aside, but one hesitated too long. Several quick stabs of Thinlómien’s sword dispatched him.

Not wasting a moment, the other Faithfuls attacked the hunter in the nick of time, forcing a sword through both, her chest and her back. Assuring their success, they twisted their blades and cut Thinlómien in half.

“That was slightly more nerve-wrecking than I expected” said one of the two, breathing heavily.

“You are right, but in the end, we have brought our victim to death.” answered the other “Let us hope we will have an easier play the coming nights.”

They went to their fallen comrade and sighed.

“This was frighteningly close.”

“Indeed. I admit now that it was a good idea to bring this straw puppet. It saved our lives tonight”

*~*

The Dead:

Macalaure (mod) - brutally killed by Faithfuls in Night One
Garin (ordo) - decapitated with a scythe on Day One
Holbytlass (ordo) - committed suicide to revive Garin in Night Two
The Might (ordo) - committed suicide to help Holbytlass reviving Garin in Night Two
Roa_Aoife (Tar-Míriel / cobbler) - stabbed to death on Day Two
Rikae (High Priest of Annatar / seer) - killed and reformed into a ship by Faithfuls in Night Three
Glirdan (ordo) - another one who committed suicide to revive Garin
Brinniel (ordo) - executed on Day Three
Rune Son of Bjarne (ordo) - disassembled by the Faithfuls in Night Four
the guy who be short (were-faithful) - flew from the Land of the Star with no star to guide him on Day Four
Mänwe (ordo) - killed by a malfunctioning catapult on Day Four
Nogrod (ordo) - received the Gift of Eru in Night Five
The Saucepan Man (were-faithful) - stoned to death on Day Five
Kath (ordo) - made into fish fodder in Night Six
Gil-Galad (ranger) - hanged on Day Six
Thinlómien (hunter) - cut in half by the Were-Faithfuls in Night Seven

The Living:

Durelin
Hookbill the Goomba
Kitanna
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Mithalwen

Lalaith · 03-09-2007, 03:24 PM

Oh great. When I said the Gil bandwaggon was misguided, I little realised quite how misguided it was. Not only killing our ranger, but also outing our hunter. Only two people defended Gil and clearly one of them had to be the hunter. It obviously wasn't me - Gil suspected me and I when I was about to be lynched, I would either have died quietly, taking either Saucie or guy with me, or I would have outed myself. So the wolves knew it had to be Lommy.

I fear we really are shafted, innocents. A quiet village, our hunter (and one of our most perceptive and trusted players) gone.
I hoped Lommy would take someone with her. But we have to work with what we have. She would have submitted a list of two, and neither of those two were guilty. We have to work out who those two could have been.

To help us - now that the real Hunter is dead, I will reveal my theory of yesterday.

I think Kath was killed because the wolves thought she was the ranger.

Earlier that Day, Kitanna gave a list of three suspects. Then Kath questioned her choice. Remember the Ranger and Hunter know of each other, but cannot communicate. The Hunter was at that point (Saucie had not yet been killed) submitting a list of three to the Mod God. So this could have been interpreted as the Ranger attempting to communicate with the Hunter. I myself wondered at that time if Kitanna was the Hunter and Kath the ranger, and I hoped the wolves would not pick up on it.
So, I believe the wolves thought this way, also.

Now, if my theory is correct, it absolves Kitanna from guilt. I also think that Lommy, judging by her vote of yesterday, had Kitanna atop of her Hunter list. Yet no-one died with her.
Then, look at Kitanna's list of suspects. If the wolves thought she was the Hunter, would they not kill her, if her list was a list of innocents? Two innocents with one blow. On that list was Hookbill, follwed by Gil, and then myself.
Gil was, as we know, innocent. As am I. (Besides which, I was clearly third and by this time Saucie was dead, so only two names would be allowed).
Top of the list was Hookbill.
This looks very bad for him. This is why I suspect him, strongly. I also suspect Durelin and Mith.

Legate, I feel confident about you. I think you feel confident about me. We need to vote together today if we can survive. Kitanna, by my theory, is also innocent. Perhaps if we three can agree to vote together, we can survive against the two remaining wolves.

And one of Durelin, Mith or Hookbill must also be innocent.
I wish Lommy had been clearer as to who she put on her hit list. Reading through Thinlomien's posts, I am inclined to think she put Durelin on her kill list. Which would in theory absolve her. I don't know.

What I do know is that if we do not kill a wolf today, we all die.

Lalaith · 03-09-2007, 03:29 PM

Oh, I've just realised of course the Hunter does not kill an innocent if s/he is killed by wolves, only if s/he is lynched.
Does that make a difference to the decision of the wolves to kill Kath rather than Kitanna, if they thought they were the Hunter/Ranger pair? I don't know.

Lalaith · 03-09-2007, 04:15 PM

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I am reasonably confident of Lommy's innocence and am inclined to believe gil and Durelin are innocent .... Gil has been on the money all the way through and the fact I agree with him now is encouraging ......

Look what Mith says earlier in the day...and she ends up voting for Gil, with little or no explanation.
Hmm.
Innocents, I think this is a wolf.

Durelin · 03-09-2007, 05:12 PM

God I feel so stupid...

We are but six, and two among us our wolves...we have no wild cards anymore, no protection...and you're all scary!

Lalaith, you're making sense, though...finally.

I think it quite likely that Lommy would have had Kitanna on her list, but I am not sure who else. We're just lucky (hah, yeah, right) that this type of Hunter does not take innocents down with them in the Night...

Considering the situation we're in, I'm willing to work on the assumption that Kitanna is innocent. I think we kind of have to, because otherwise we're just a mob pointing fingers yet again.

The fact that Lommy voted for Kitanna, along with the good possibility that the wolves have as sharp of eyes as Lalaith does in spotting a possible Ranger-Hunter communication, makes me comfortable with Kitanna's innocence. And the fact that Lalaith has gone through all the trouble to prove this, and suggested the Kath kill was a likely Ranger-slaying attempt makes me feel a lot better about her than I have this entire game. Things are looking a little clearer to me. At least the death of the Hunter has given us some information to work with.

I have thought Hookbill's overly cautious and "oh, don't look at me, I'm new at this" thing was hiding something more, and his vote for Gil yesterDay made me wonder about him even more. Perhaps at the start of a bandwagon lynch of the Ranger is a pretty un-safe place to hide, but that late in the game, getting the Gifteds I imagine would be top priority, especially if they know each other's identity.

Mith's behavior near the end of the voting and at the end was odd... She suddenly warns about Gil possibly being a Gifted, she said before that she thinks him innocent, and then she votes for him anyway... Why? To be lost among the other Gil voters, or just to make sure he couldn't be saved? If she is a wolf, then that will explain all of my confusion about her rather dramatic behavior... I was rather convinced she was innocent until late yesterDay. Perhaps I should feel doubly stupid?

My stomach is killing me, so I'm going to chill for a bit, but I'll be back...

I can tell you right now, though, that my vote will very likely go for either Hookbill or Mith. I will hold off voting as long as I can, though...whoever dies toDay has to be a wolf. There are still four of us innocents out there, so please, please be here and vote!! We haven't lost yet!

Durelin · 03-09-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

Does that make a difference to the decision of the wolves to kill Kath rather than Kitanna, if they thought they were the Hunter/Ranger pair?

Actually I think it might back up your theory more. Because if they thought Kath and Kitanna a Ranger-Hunter pair, then they went after Kath instead of Kitanna because they thought her the Ranger and wanted to get the Hunter lynched...? It doesn't prove anything on it's own, but...

Agh, I feel so alone. It's way way too quiet.

Durelin · 03-09-2007, 10:17 PM

Well, I need to get to bed and unfortunately I don't think I'll be back before the deadline.

Darn this Catholic guilt that makes me say I'll do something on the weekend that I really really don't want to do...particularly when it gets in the way of WW...

Quick concern about Lalaith - her "Anyway I think this Gil bandwaggon is totally misguided" turned out nice and strategic. Then her "I'd rather have voted for Hookbill if there was any possibility of him getting lynched" bugs me because she didn't drive very hard for his lynching. Playing it safe?

Anyway, I have to vote now... I have felt uneasy about Hookbill the entire game, and his vote for Gil yesterDay looks the most wolfish to me of any of the votes for Gil. On the other hand, Mith's switch on Gil seems really odd to me. But her vote wasn't necessary to lynch him, was it? So then it would be a wasted bold move for a wolf...

I'll go with what my gut has been telling me for a while...

++Hookbill

Please, other innocents, vote toDay!!

Lalaith · 03-10-2007, 01:31 AM

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her "I'd rather have voted for Hookbill if there was any possibility of him getting lynched" bugs me because she didn't drive very hard for his lynching. Playing it safe?

Nothing sinister there. My worries about Hookbill were mostly related to my theory which I could only spell out today. I couldn't argue a case for his lynching without explaining my reasons...

I'm now worried that perhaps Lommy changed her list after yesterDay's events. And that it wasn't Kitanna and Durelin on it after all. Perhaps she's screaming in frustration from beyond the grave.

I will not be around toNight after 5pm. Which is nice and handy for any wolves.
But I will post some analysis in an hour or so.
Where IS everyone? Mith and Hookbill have both said they can't be around much.
Kitanna? Legate?

03-09-2007, 03:01 PM	#1
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	The revealing of the ranger had made the Faithfuls wary. There were some mighty warriors hidden among the otherwise so perfectly peaceful and nonviolent villagers. This night they advanced with great caution and sneaked to the hut of their victim silently. To their surprise, though not to their comfort, they found the door open. Carefully the three figures entered the room. In the dim light they saw their victim lying in her bed, fast asleep. Without a sound they gathered around the bed and drew their swords and on a silent command two of them mercilessly stabbed the sheets and whatever lay beneath them. Then they took away the shredded cloth to find that under it there was... Nothing but sliced pillows. They had been fooled! In fear they turned around to protect themselves against what ever attack. And they were right in doing so, because in this second, from a dark corner of the room, Thinlómien sprang onto them with naked blade. Two of the Faithfuls quickly caught their wits and jumped aside, but one hesitated too long. Several quick stabs of Thinlómien’s sword dispatched him. Not wasting a moment, the other Faithfuls attacked the hunter in the nick of time, forcing a sword through both, her chest and her back. Assuring their success, they twisted their blades and cut Thinlómien in half. “That was slightly more nerve-wrecking than I expected” said one of the two, breathing heavily. “You are right, but in the end, we have brought our victim to death.” answered the other “Let us hope we will have an easier play the coming nights.” They went to their fallen comrade and sighed. “This was frighteningly close.” “Indeed. I admit now that it was a good idea to bring this straw puppet. It saved our lives tonight” ~ The Dead: Macalaure (mod) - brutally killed by Faithfuls in Night One Garin (ordo) - decapitated with a scythe on Day One Holbytlass (ordo) - committed suicide to revive Garin in Night Two The Might (ordo) - committed suicide to help Holbytlass reviving Garin in Night Two Roa_Aoife (Tar-Míriel / cobbler) - stabbed to death on Day Two Rikae (High Priest of Annatar / seer) - killed and reformed into a ship by Faithfuls in Night Three Glirdan (ordo) - another one who committed suicide to revive Garin Brinniel (ordo) - executed on Day Three Rune Son of Bjarne (ordo) - disassembled by the Faithfuls in Night Four the guy who be short (were-faithful) - flew from the Land of the Star with no star to guide him on Day Four Mänwe (ordo) - killed by a malfunctioning catapult on Day Four Nogrod (ordo) - received the Gift of Eru in Night Five The Saucepan Man (were-faithful) - stoned to death on Day Five Kath (ordo) - made into fish fodder in Night Six Gil-Galad (ranger) - hanged on Day Six Thinlómien (hunter) - cut in half by the Were-Faithfuls in Night Seven The Living: Durelin Hookbill the Goomba Kitanna Lalaith Legate of Amon Lanc Mithalwen Last edited by Macalaure; 03-09-2007 at 03:49 PM.

03-09-2007, 03:24 PM	#2
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Oh great. When I said the Gil bandwaggon was misguided, I little realised quite how misguided it was. Not only killing our ranger, but also outing our hunter. Only two people defended Gil and clearly one of them had to be the hunter. It obviously wasn't me - Gil suspected me and I when I was about to be lynched, I would either have died quietly, taking either Saucie or guy with me, or I would have outed myself. So the wolves knew it had to be Lommy. I fear we really are shafted, innocents. A quiet village, our hunter (and one of our most perceptive and trusted players) gone. I hoped Lommy would take someone with her. But we have to work with what we have. She would have submitted a list of two, and neither of those two were guilty. We have to work out who those two could have been. To help us - now that the real Hunter is dead, I will reveal my theory of yesterday. I think Kath was killed because the wolves thought she was the ranger. Earlier that Day, Kitanna gave a list of three suspects. Then Kath questioned her choice. Remember the Ranger and Hunter know of each other, but cannot communicate. The Hunter was at that point (Saucie had not yet been killed) submitting a list of three to the Mod God. So this could have been interpreted as the Ranger attempting to communicate with the Hunter. I myself wondered at that time if Kitanna was the Hunter and Kath the ranger, and I hoped the wolves would not pick up on it. So, I believe the wolves thought this way, also. Now, if my theory is correct, it absolves Kitanna from guilt. I also think that Lommy, judging by her vote of yesterday, had Kitanna atop of her Hunter list. Yet no-one died with her. Then, look at Kitanna's list of suspects. If the wolves thought she was the Hunter, would they not kill her, if her list was a list of innocents? Two innocents with one blow. On that list was Hookbill, follwed by Gil, and then myself. Gil was, as we know, innocent. As am I. (Besides which, I was clearly third and by this time Saucie was dead, so only two names would be allowed). Top of the list was Hookbill. This looks very bad for him. This is why I suspect him, strongly. I also suspect Durelin and Mith. Legate, I feel confident about you. I think you feel confident about me. We need to vote together today if we can survive. Kitanna, by my theory, is also innocent. Perhaps if we three can agree to vote together, we can survive against the two remaining wolves. And one of Durelin, Mith or Hookbill must also be innocent. I wish Lommy had been clearer as to who she put on her hit list. Reading through Thinlomien's posts, I am inclined to think she put Durelin on her kill list. Which would in theory absolve her. I don't know. What I do know is that if we do not kill a wolf today, we all die. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

03-09-2007, 03:29 PM	#3
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Oh, I've just realised of course the Hunter does not kill an innocent if s/he is killed by wolves, only if s/he is lynched. Does that make a difference to the decision of the wolves to kill Kath rather than Kitanna, if they thought they were the Hunter/Ranger pair? I don't know. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

03-09-2007, 05:12 PM	#5
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	God I feel so stupid... We are but six, and two among us our wolves...we have no wild cards anymore, no protection...and you're all scary! Lalaith, you're making sense, though...finally. I think it quite likely that Lommy would have had Kitanna on her list, but I am not sure who else. We're just lucky (hah, yeah, right) that this type of Hunter does not take innocents down with them in the Night... Considering the situation we're in, I'm willing to work on the assumption that Kitanna is innocent. I think we kind of have to, because otherwise we're just a mob pointing fingers yet again. The fact that Lommy voted for Kitanna, along with the good possibility that the wolves have as sharp of eyes as Lalaith does in spotting a possible Ranger-Hunter communication, makes me comfortable with Kitanna's innocence. And the fact that Lalaith has gone through all the trouble to prove this, and suggested the Kath kill was a likely Ranger-slaying attempt makes me feel a lot better about her than I have this entire game. Things are looking a little clearer to me. At least the death of the Hunter has given us some information to work with. I have thought Hookbill's overly cautious and "oh, don't look at me, I'm new at this" thing was hiding something more, and his vote for Gil yesterDay made me wonder about him even more. Perhaps at the start of a bandwagon lynch of the Ranger is a pretty un-safe place to hide, but that late in the game, getting the Gifteds I imagine would be top priority, especially if they know each other's identity. Mith's behavior near the end of the voting and at the end was odd... She suddenly warns about Gil possibly being a Gifted, she said before that she thinks him innocent, and then she votes for him anyway... Why? To be lost among the other Gil voters, or just to make sure he couldn't be saved? If she is a wolf, then that will explain all of my confusion about her rather dramatic behavior... I was rather convinced she was innocent until late yesterDay. Perhaps I should feel doubly stupid? My stomach is killing me, so I'm going to chill for a bit, but I'll be back... I can tell you right now, though, that my vote will very likely go for either Hookbill or Mith. I will hold off voting as long as I can, though...whoever dies toDay has to be a wolf. There are still four of us innocents out there, so please, please be here and vote!! We haven't lost yet!

03-09-2007, 10:17 PM	#7
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Well, I need to get to bed and unfortunately I don't think I'll be back before the deadline. Darn this Catholic guilt that makes me say I'll do something on the weekend that I really really don't want to do...particularly when it gets in the way of WW... Quick concern about Lalaith - her "Anyway I think this Gil bandwaggon is totally misguided" turned out nice and strategic. Then her "I'd rather have voted for Hookbill if there was any possibility of him getting lynched" bugs me because she didn't drive very hard for his lynching. Playing it safe? Anyway, I have to vote now... I have felt uneasy about Hookbill the entire game, and his vote for Gil yesterDay looks the most wolfish to me of any of the votes for Gil. On the other hand, Mith's switch on Gil seems really odd to me. But her vote wasn't necessary to lynch him, was it? So then it would be a wasted bold move for a wolf... I'll go with what my gut has been telling me for a while... ++Hookbill Please, other innocents, vote toDay!!