Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXXVI Game Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

the phantom · 07-28-2007, 09:18 AM

You've got to be kidding.

A triple lynching!!

So, what, everyone decided they wanted to spot the WWs two free days of work?

That's why I hate voting early- cause then I'm not around to control things at the end. I'm not doing that again. I'm going to wake up an hour earlier than usual just so I can vote at the end. I hope you're happy about making me lose sleep.

I wish I really was the Cobbler. Then I could just laugh about this.

Should we lynch Lal as a penalty for not voting and thus allowing the triple lynch? I was planning on letting Lal stick around in this game and defending her all the time just because I've never had the chance to play with her before, but I'm not sure I can hold to that resolve now.

Here is the voting from yesterday.

Durelin for Legate
Menel for Durelin
Holby for Menel
Shasta for Menel (2)
phantom for Durelin (2)
Legate for Durelin (3)
Kath for Mith
Brin for Menel (3)
Mith for Legate (2)
SPM for Legate (3)

the phantom · 07-28-2007, 09:27 AM

Hey, at least there is a silver lining, folks. If we do another triple lynch today we can go down in WW history as participants in the SHORTEST GAME EVER!!

Let's do it!

Mithalwen · 07-28-2007, 10:09 AM

I am here and will stay for awhile butI am going to have to go and not return due to access problems. Mind you after yesterday's fiasco an early vote from me is probably no bad thing.

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-28-2007, 10:17 AM

What a complete mess! I am sorry for my part in it, but I has to vote when I did, as I had to rush off to a meeting. But even after my cross-post with Mithalwen, it wouldn't have happened had one of the three who didn't vote bothered to do so. Lal has explained in the Admin thread why she missed voting (although it seems from what she said that she wouldn't have broken the three-way tie anyway), but I am somewhat suspicious of the no-votes from Gil and CoD. If one of them is a Wolf and was around at the time, all they had to do was sit back silently and watch the car crash happen.

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Originally Posted by the phantom

That's why I hate voting early- cause then I'm not around to control things at the end. I'm not doing that again. I'm going to wake up an hour earlier than usual just so I can vote at the end.

I was thinking much the same, but if we all hold our vote 'til the very end then chaos could ensue once more. Those of us around at the end (and I plan to be) must make sure that we avoid cross-voting.

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Let's do it!

No, let's not ...

So, why Brinniel? She was fairly quiet, but then most of us were. I can't see anything to suggest that she might have been the Seer, but it's worth looking at who she suspected. She didn't make any strong accusations, but the names that she mentioned were Menel, Legate, Durelin and the phantom. The phantom is the only one of those still alive so, on the face of it, her death points to him. However, I wonder whether the phantom would be that clumsy. If anything, I suspect that it may have been an attempt to frame him. Then again, I am slightly wary of his vote yesterDay, so I am most certainly not crossing him off my list. A phantom Wolf is a dangerous thing indeed.

My thoughts on the voting coming up.

Mithalwen · 07-28-2007, 10:28 AM

For the record I wasn't "holding my vote" , It was just that due to sleep and work it was either vote after about 2 posts or at lunchtime the next day. I am afraid that in the very limited time I had that I hadn't correctly grasped the situation - I thought voting was finishing at 3 our time and that Menel was a vote ahead of Dury and so the multiple lynch thing hadn't occurred. The full horror of the situation only became clear to me too late. I really didn't think Menel or Dury were guilty but obviously it wouldhave been better to lose just the one.....

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-28-2007, 10:51 AM

Durelin: Legate (Legate 1)
Menel: Durelin (Legate 1, Durelin 1)
Holby: Menel (Legate 1, Durelin 1, Menel 1)
Shasta: Menel (Legate 1, Durelin 1, Menel 2)
Phantom: Durelin (Legate 1, Durelin 2, Menel 2)
Legate: Durelin (Legate 1, Durelin 3, Menel 2)
Kath: Mithalwen (Legate 1, Durelin 3, Menel 2, Mithalwen 1)
Brinniel: Menel (Legate 1, Durelin 3, Menel 3, Mithalwen 1)
Mithalwen: Legate (Legate 2, Durelin 3, Menel 3, Mithalwen 1)
SpM: Legate (Legate 3, Durelin 3, Menel 3, Mithalwen 1)

Did not vote: Lalwende, Gil-Galad, Captain of Despair

I was suspicious of the Durelin and Menel bandwagons yesterDay and I remain so, as they gathered pace quickly and relatively early on. As I said, the phantom’s vote for Durelin, which put her level on 2 votes with Menel, looks rather suspiciously random for him and, given that he is the only Durelin voter still with us, I do have some concerns about him, and not just the paranoid ones that I always have when playing with him.

I suspect that there was one Wolf, but no more, among the Menel voters. Brinniel is dead, so that leaves Holby and Shasta. At the time both of them voted, there had, I think, already been a fair amount of suspicion cast in Menel's direction. I would like to hear more from both of them, but unfortunately it appears that Holby will not be with us toDay.

If there was a Wolf among those who voted for Legate, then it has to be Mith, as Durelin is dead and I am innocent. So far, however, Mith doesn’t strike me as Wolfish.

Other than the no-voters, the only person not to vote for one of those lynched was Kath. Her vote for Mithalwen, who had very little prospect of being lynched, was a very safe vote. Kath is therefore high in my suspicions at the moment, although it seems that she too may not be around much toDay.

Finally, we have the no-voters. There could well be a Wolf there, particularly given the consequences of their no-votes. As I said, Lal has given an explanation on the game thread, and we have to believe her on that, although it doesn‘t follow that she is innocent. As for Gil and CoD, there is little to go on, so it would be nice to hear more from them toDay too.

So, on the basis of the voting, I am most suspicious of Kath, and I think that there may well be a Wolf in each of the Holby/Shasta and Gil/CoD duos. Other than that, I have some concerns about the phantom and Lal, but currently think Mith more likely innocent than not.

It's still early Days though (provided we don't mess up again toDay).

Mithalwen · 07-28-2007, 11:15 AM

I am inclined to agree that there is likely to be a wolf in the non voters - why would they spoil a perfect situation? I need to have a serious read through. Need to check something...

the phantom · 07-28-2007, 11:35 AM

I'm looking through the posts of each living person one at a time. I've finished looking at Brin though, and I don't see anything at all that would send up a Seer-flag in the mind of a WW.

Very odd.

I'll be back in a bit.

Mithalwen · 07-28-2007, 11:44 AM

If we are draging up Fea's last village .... you might say you won fair and square Sauce but that doesn't change the fact that I was right......

As for Brin ... my guess is that the wolves chose someone who hadn't attracted much suspicion either by words or vote.

I don't see anyone suggesting that they are gifted and no wolf pack is going to kill an innocent Gil during the night unless he had revealed himself as gifted . There is always too good a chance of getting him lynched.

Lalwendë · 07-28-2007, 11:59 AM

You can blame the Daily Mail and their OTT reporting of policies for me not voting - you can blame them for a lot of things no doubt, but you can blame them for that. I'm still annoyed now...

I wasn't going to vote for anyone on that pack anyway - however I can't honestly say that had I managed to get back to my desk on time that I wouldn't have changed my mind seeing a triple lynch coming up. There you go - it's up to you if you choose to punish me for it. I personally don't think you should.

Anyway, I want to know about Gil and Captain. Why didn't they vote?

As for the voting pattern, Shasta jumped in at a very 'safe' point there. That's odd to me.

Kath didn't raise my hackles there too much - it's reasonable for a psychologist to want to 'test' someone

Unless she's in league with Mith of course. But then the point at which Sauce jumps in and votes would be more suspicious than the point at which Mith does it. Unless Mith, Sauce & Kath are in cahoots - and I don't think Mith and Sauce mention each other too much...

Phantom foxes me right now...as does Holby.

07-28-2007, 09:18 AM	#1
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	You've got to be kidding. A triple lynching!! So, what, everyone decided they wanted to spot the WWs two free days of work? That's why I hate voting early- cause then I'm not around to control things at the end. I'm not doing that again. I'm going to wake up an hour earlier than usual just so I can vote at the end. I hope you're happy about making me lose sleep. I wish I really was the Cobbler. Then I could just laugh about this. Should we lynch Lal as a penalty for not voting and thus allowing the triple lynch? I was planning on letting Lal stick around in this game and defending her all the time just because I've never had the chance to play with her before, but I'm not sure I can hold to that resolve now. Here is the voting from yesterday. Durelin for Legate Menel for Durelin Holby for Menel Shasta for Menel (2) phantom for Durelin (2) Legate for Durelin (3) Kath for Mith Brin for Menel (3) Mith for Legate (2) SPM for Legate (3) __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

07-28-2007, 09:27 AM	#2
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Hey, at least there is a silver lining, folks. If we do another triple lynch today we can go down in WW history as participants in the SHORTEST GAME EVER!! Let's do it! __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

07-28-2007, 10:09 AM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I am here and will stay for awhile butI am going to have to go and not return due to access problems. Mind you after yesterday's fiasco an early vote from me is probably no bad thing. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-28-2007, 10:28 AM	#5
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	For the record I wasn't "holding my vote" , It was just that due to sleep and work it was either vote after about 2 posts or at lunchtime the next day. I am afraid that in the very limited time I had that I hadn't correctly grasped the situation - I thought voting was finishing at 3 our time and that Menel was a vote ahead of Dury and so the multiple lynch thing hadn't occurred. The full horror of the situation only became clear to me too late. I really didn't think Menel or Dury were guilty but obviously it wouldhave been better to lose just the one..... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-28-2007, 10:51 AM	#6
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Day 1 voting Durelin: Legate (Legate 1) Menel: Durelin (Legate 1, Durelin 1) Holby: Menel (Legate 1, Durelin 1, Menel 1) Shasta: Menel (Legate 1, Durelin 1, Menel 2) Phantom: Durelin (Legate 1, Durelin 2, Menel 2) Legate: Durelin (Legate 1, Durelin 3, Menel 2) Kath: Mithalwen (Legate 1, Durelin 3, Menel 2, Mithalwen 1) Brinniel: Menel (Legate 1, Durelin 3, Menel 3, Mithalwen 1) Mithalwen: Legate (Legate 2, Durelin 3, Menel 3, Mithalwen 1) SpM: Legate (Legate 3, Durelin 3, Menel 3, Mithalwen 1) Did not vote: Lalwende, Gil-Galad, Captain of Despair I was suspicious of the Durelin and Menel bandwagons yesterDay and I remain so, as they gathered pace quickly and relatively early on. As I said, the phantom’s vote for Durelin, which put her level on 2 votes with Menel, looks rather suspiciously random for him and, given that he is the only Durelin voter still with us, I do have some concerns about him, and not just the paranoid ones that I always have when playing with him. I suspect that there was one Wolf, but no more, among the Menel voters. Brinniel is dead, so that leaves Holby and Shasta. At the time both of them voted, there had, I think, already been a fair amount of suspicion cast in Menel's direction. I would like to hear more from both of them, but unfortunately it appears that Holby will not be with us toDay. If there was a Wolf among those who voted for Legate, then it has to be Mith, as Durelin is dead and I am innocent. So far, however, Mith doesn’t strike me as Wolfish. Other than the no-voters, the only person not to vote for one of those lynched was Kath. Her vote for Mithalwen, who had very little prospect of being lynched, was a very safe vote. Kath is therefore high in my suspicions at the moment, although it seems that she too may not be around much toDay. Finally, we have the no-voters. There could well be a Wolf there, particularly given the consequences of their no-votes. As I said, Lal has given an explanation on the game thread, and we have to believe her on that, although it doesn‘t follow that she is innocent. As for Gil and CoD, there is little to go on, so it would be nice to hear more from them toDay too. So, on the basis of the voting, I am most suspicious of Kath, and I think that there may well be a Wolf in each of the Holby/Shasta and Gil/CoD duos. Other than that, I have some concerns about the phantom and Lal, but currently think Mith more likely innocent than not. It's still early Days though (provided we don't mess up again toDay). __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-28-2007, 11:15 AM	#7
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I am inclined to agree that there is likely to be a wolf in the non voters - why would they spoil a perfect situation? I need to have a serious read through. Need to check something... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-28-2007, 11:35 AM	#8
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	I'm looking through the posts of each living person one at a time. I've finished looking at Brin though, and I don't see anything at all that would send up a Seer-flag in the mind of a WW. Very odd. I'll be back in a bit. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

07-28-2007, 11:44 AM	#9
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	If we are draging up Fea's last village .... you might say you won fair and square Sauce but that doesn't change the fact that I was right...... As for Brin ... my guess is that the wolves chose someone who hadn't attracted much suspicion either by words or vote. I don't see anyone suggesting that they are gifted and no wolf pack is going to kill an innocent Gil during the night unless he had revealed himself as gifted . There is always too good a chance of getting him lynched. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-28-2007, 11:59 AM	#10
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	You can blame the Daily Mail and their OTT reporting of policies for me not voting - you can blame them for a lot of things no doubt, but you can blame them for that. I'm still annoyed now... I wasn't going to vote for anyone on that pack anyway - however I can't honestly say that had I managed to get back to my desk on time that I wouldn't have changed my mind seeing a triple lynch coming up. There you go - it's up to you if you choose to punish me for it. I personally don't think you should. Anyway, I want to know about Gil and Captain. Why didn't they vote? As for the voting pattern, Shasta jumped in at a very 'safe' point there. That's odd to me. Kath didn't raise my hackles there too much - it's reasonable for a psychologist to want to 'test' someone Unless she's in league with Mith of course. But then the point at which Sauce jumps in and votes would be more suspicious than the point at which Mith does it. Unless Mith, Sauce & Kath are in cahoots - and I don't think Mith and Sauce mention each other too much... Phantom foxes me right now...as does Holby. __________________ Gordon's alive!