WW XXXXI: With a Twist

[Rikae]

Aganzir, if you don't know what I mean there, there's no use explaining - it's about as clear as it could possibly be. Well, here goes: you responded to Mac's suspicions by claiming that he was trying to stop you from suspecting him, but you really presented no danger to him at that point, as far as I could see. It looks to me like a sneaky way of trying to make someone look defensive when he isn't.
I don't find TM wolfish in the least - it's obvious to me he is simply confused, and lynching someone for coming up with his own opinions is downright ridiculous. If he is coming into his own as a player, good for him, I say.
I also don't particularly want to lynch Nerwen, as the suspicions of her seem based, more than anything, on her Nerwen-ishness. She has always been rather edgy and aggressive, as I recall; however, I will consider switching my vote to her if necessary.
I'm concerned that lynching Macalaure may be a very serious mistake. Remember, Nogrod is a very prominent player and a likely target for closer observation earlier in the game.
I strongly suggest we listen to Macalaure before we judge him.

++Aganzir

[Aganzir]

Rikae, to me that wasn't clear. It was what I think Mac was doing, whether I presented a real danger or not.

Originally Posted by Mac

So, are you telling me now that you found all - Valier, morm, and Nerwen - equally and perfectly innocent?

I found them all innocent, and for me that's good enough a reason to vote someone I suspect instead. As improbable as it was, I was also hoping someone would return and switch to you.

Originally Posted by Mac

You're making it sound as if I made my points up!

I'm not making it sound like that. I'm pointing out things that make me think it is so.

edit: xed with two Faraels and Kath

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I found them all innocent, and for me that's good enough a reason to vote someone I suspect instead. As improbable as it was, I was also hoping someone would return and switch to you.

I don't think I buy that you found them all perfectly innocent. Getting me lynched at that time yesterday was improbable, but you could maybe have done it if you had urged anybody else to follow your vote, which you didn't. It might seem unlikely, but if you would have, I would feel better about you now.

I'm not making it sound like that. I'm pointing out things that make me think it is so.

You're pointing out a possibility, but you make no claims why this possibility is more likely than the opposite. Ergo: you're making things up.

Originally Posted by Farael

Classy... curiously enough, your weak attack on Aganzir, based on this "throwaway vote" is the reason this debate is happening.

I know. But I did that to make a point against Aganzir, not to debate the issue in general. That we should leave for earlier hours.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I know. But I did that to make a point against Aganzir, not to debate the issue in general. That we should leave for earlier hours.

You amaze me... and I started that argument not for the argument itself but rather as a point against You

Or are you beyond suspicion now?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

as his post make me even more worried about him than before.

Originally Posted by SpM

It is interesting, though, that you decided to analyse in detail one of the few people (the only person?) who seriously suspects you.

Mr.Sp., that is a very wolfy way of turning things at me. This is not an argument. I chose you simply because I considered you the most suspicious of the people I wanted to analyze - and I ended with a rather unpleasant picture of you. And you are not the only one who raised doubts about me - for example Aganzir also voiced some disconcern.

Originally Posted by SpM

For goodness, sake, this is much the same (bad) point as the one that Mac raised earlier. I explained why I voted for Valier yesterDay but, as I have said above, I do still believe that there was at least one Wolf among the Nog voters.

This enthusiasm is not helping, SpM. Shouting things like "for goodness sake" is not going to raise your reputation in eyes of others, at least not if they think like I do. This "voice of Saruman" is not only about voting Valier, but about your behaviour overall. I think it is not much wise to split votes more now, yet if anyone was willing, I could advise even voting for you toDay.

EDIT: x-ed with about four hundred people since Rikae's vote.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okee-dokee. If there is anyone among toDay's lynch candidates whom I find suspicious, it is Aganzir. Neither Nerwen nor Mac seem suspicious to me to that extent.

++Aganzir

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I am still trying to understand why all certainty in this village revolves around Macalaure, against him or from him. It bothers me a lot.